So, let me see if I can make sense of this shit heap
>Enterprise is disabled by a red burst, Pike detects seven signals but can only find the location of one (???) commandeers Discovery to get there
>It leads them to a crashed Fed ship with a dyke engineer and dark matter asteroids
>Michael sees a red angel figure
>Second red burst is located, leads them to a planet of rural humans, they save it with the dark matter asteroid
>Michael decides they need to find Spock
>On the way to Spock, by chance an ancient sentient planetoid Sphere grabs Discovery, downloads its library of data and dies
>Another red burst appears over Kaminar, Saru's homeworld. Saru learns that his species is not meant to be prey, but the predator species and leads a revolution against their oppressors. The red angel appears again to destroy all alien weapons that were going to execute the Kelpiens.
>The red angel departs back through a wormhole to the future, Discovery attempts to follow with a shuttle but is attacked by a future advanced sentient AI which infects the cyborg crewman Airiam.
>Michael finds Spock, but his brain is messed up from interacting with the red angel, who messed up his sense of experiencing time. They're able to fix it, but at this point Section 31 is chasing Spock under orders from 'Control', their threat analysis AI which has become evil and near-sentient.
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>Discovery decides to go to Section 31 headquarters, where they learn Control is evil and has killed S31's leadership. The future evil AI infecting Airiam is a future version of Control, and wants her to download the Sphere's library of information into the past Control, in order to make it sentient and fulfill its destiny to find all sentient organic life a threat and wipe it out in the galaxy.
>Airiam gets spaced to prevent this.
>Turns out the red angel is a time suit Section 31 built with Michael's parents. Her parents were killed trying to protect it - however her mother actually got away and went to the future where she saw how Control killed everything, and has been trying to stop it through time travel since. She is not responsible for the red bursts, but she is responsible for fucking Spock's brain. Discovery is able to question her shortly by killing Michael and trusting that the red angel can magically revive her (???) even though its just a time suit.
>The present-day Control assimilates Section 31's remaining commander, Leland, and for all intents and purposes seems sentient but still wants that Sphere data. He interferes with Discovery and the red angel and results in Burnham's mom and the time suit being sent to the end of the universe or something.
>Discovery is now being hunted by all of Section 31's ships remotely piloted by Control. A red burst leads them to a Klingon planet home to time crystals, which Pike takes, for the sacrifice of knowing his future (wheelchair bound).
>Discovery tries to destroy the Sphere data, finally, but its self-aware and tied to the ship and won't allow itself to be destroyed. Discovery figures out that they're meant to remove the data from this time, and take it to the future (???)
>To do this they build a new red angel suit using the time crystal in under an hour (???), and instead of warping to the other side of the galaxy, they sit and wait for Control to find them while they do this.
>Control attacks Discovery and Enterprise who help them in a huge battle, the Klingons and yass queen from Kaminar help too.
>Michael puts on the red angel time suit and goes back in time to set all the red bursts from the season - including somehow having the miraculous tech to destroy all those weapons on Kaminar - and completes the time loop. She then starts to drag Discovery through a wormhole into the 33rd century, out of Control's reach.
>Meanwhile, Control seems to be operating entirely out of Leland's assimilated body, which is killed by magnets. Everyone is informed Control is dead shortly before Discovery enters the wormhole, but they decide to leave anyway despite the threat being gone.
>The two remaining red bursts are set by Michael - one to guide Discovery through the wormhole, and one to indicate they make it safely through for those left behind.
>Enterprise and everyone sane agrees never to talk about the events of this series ever again.
Fuck me. NOTHING makes sense
I honestly can't figure out how it was humanly possible for you to sit through any more of that fucking garbage after the first two-parter. I've seen some shitty shows but god damn that was intensely bad.
Michael's time jumping is what causes control to be infected by the future AI. Infected control is the reason why Michael decided to jump back in time. It's a paradox. They didn't think it through.
i like how they made it turn out that michael was the red angel all along, except it turned out to be her mother all along, except it turned out to be michael all along. what quality storycrafting :)
glad I dropped this mid season 1
So her mother did nothing right? If she didn’t set the red bursts then all she did was save Michael as a kid and again when she died on that planet. She didn’t help beat Control at all
if she didn't rescue Michaels then Michaels wouldnt be alive in the future to be the red nigger.
The one question never asked was who was phone?
But for all her grandstanding about trying to,change the future she had basically tried nothing
yeah actually why didnt they sporejump the fuck away in that hour?
>That final battle was a chaotic mess.
>That fucking number one bitch saying "IN ENGLISH PLEASE"
>That fucking indestructible blast door with a little window. Strong enough to resist a direct torpedo explosion, rest of ship blown to bits. Why not make all the ship out of that? (hurr too expensive get a life nitpicking nerd)
>"Let's never speak of any of this ever again"
OK
Kirk: Spock didn't you have a sist..
Spock: NO!
Kirk: But didn't she start the war with the kling..
Spock: NO!
Kirk: But she was on that ship, the disco...
SPOCK: ILLOGICAL!
When your plot is this complicated you know it's fucking garbage. God damn.
Star Trek is supposed to be a character based exploration of the strange and unknown and an expose on moral and ethical dilemmas. Star Trek is supposed to teach us about alien life, alien customs, and the ethical quandaries involved in dealing with them.
What the fuck were they even thinking with this plot?
> sexually transmitted diseases, season 2
Cheers for the rundown user, I dropped it after the rural humans episode.
>What the fuck were they even thinking with this plot?
Rich Evans said it best. Discovery is made by people who hate Start Trek.
Personally I thinks it's made by people who are biggly fans of Abrams/Nu-Wars and think everyone likes that.
The worst thing about the season finale is the setup for Picard to eventually run into Michael
You missed the most important part user:
>If it weren't for Michael, Sarek wouldn't learn humility.
>If it weren't for Michael, Saru wouldn't have grown beyond his capabilities.
>If it weren't for Michael, Spock would have no empathy AND he wouldn't be friends with Kirk
Also, don't forget that Michael is not only a deified savoir (the stained glass picture of her in the church) but also Rudolph the Red-Nosed Ni...wait, Angel. I meant Angel. And without her, Discovery somehow could never go through the wormhole...
Is Michael Burnham the most influential being to have ever existed in the universe?
In short, yes. She is the center of the universe, she is the beginning, and the end. She is the primal cause, and the one who brings balance. Starfleet doesn't need anyone else to do anything. Burnham is better than Pike, Stamets, Saru, Tilly, the Admiral, or anyone else at their jobs (and this is shown in the TV show). It's astonishing, actually, how this was possible.
>time travel again
Glad I didn't watch this, sick of the time travel shit.
Had enough of that in enterprise, felt like I was watching a rehash of quantum leap.
Season 1, first episode
>They are on a planet with heavy sandstorm that scrambles their communication
>Decide to make a giant star fleet sign on SAND while there is a sandstorm
>The sign sometime stays and the ship is somehow able to see it from outer space through heavy sandstorm, but couldn't track them any other way
>Characters don't need their glasses to protect from the sandstorm anymore when the ship is coming down
I should have stopped after that 1st episode, but I only lasted about 10 episodes. The Klingon language being used was cool though.
I enjoyed it. Just turn off your brains for a bit jeez
If Michael was behind most/all of the timejumps then what did her Mom actually do?
t. CBS share holder
NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
All this seems like it would've been better as an entirely new Scifi IP.
I-is she... God?
Oh no no no
>Tune into the Michael Burnham show starring Michael Burnham
>Dude why is this appallingly written character important in every plot point
I dunno mate, mystery isnt it? ENT looking pretty good in hind sight eh?
Why is the Control arc a back ground substory that's probably #15 in how much attention is given to it until the last 3 episodes when it apparently becomes what the entire show is about?
I was talking in the more general sense as a joke but clearly you took it way too seriously. Nice work fag. ENT was always good by the way.
>What the fuck were they even thinking with this plot?
They were thinking they wanted a new audience. Not the old one. That's the fundamental philosophy behind every medium and franchise that has been bastardized for the past 5 to 10 years. They want to attract a new audience, so they change the material to suit that desired audience. Old audience be damned.
More than likely they have no idea what to do with it since nothing makes any sense but the executives demand they shoehorn the borg into STD to boost ratings
OH NO HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAH
still better than Quinto
They are making it up as they go
When they found those rural humans at the second signal, didn't they say that those were people from the third world war that the Red Angel apparently pulled through time with the church? How did Michael figure out how to do that and whom to abduct? Also couldn't she use that same power to just move the discovery? Or use the power that disabled the ba'ul against section 31? What is happening?
not that user, but I don't know how I'm doing it. S2 started off better but I'm on episode 12 now and it's getting worse and worse.
Why the fuck do they make every character so unlikable in this show? The ONLY character I can give a shit about is Saru
>a new audience
True, the only people who say they like it seem to be people who never really watched Trek before. Fuck those people, and fuck new things!
There were things moving around, spaceships and drama. What more could you want?
Bring back Gabriel "While you were studying temporal mechanics I studied the blade, Burnham" Lorca right now and that's final.
ent was only good after they fired the s1/2 writers and dumped the temporal cold war arc
this is a fact.
I always loved ENT, it was more consistently good than VOY ever was
Fake news. It's easy to say you reached your goal ahead of schedule when you never announced your goal until the present moment.
Did ENT get good when the gave the entire show to an ascended fanboy?
That was her mother. But nothing there makes sense anyway
FUCK
>I'm not angry, I'm enraged
who writes this shit?
>that picture
Yikes
>that opinion
YIKES
Good thing Number One Mommy only got 40 seconds of screen time the entire season, the show was almost good there for a minute.
Don't forget that they broke the prime directive while doing so and don't even seem to realize it
best mom showed up more than that...but she was still mostly useless
Fuck me Number One is so fine, it's like they plucked her right out of the 60's.
>7 signals
>in the finale it says there were only 5
seriously what the fuck is this show
They make the last 2 up just for the fuck of it.
Imagine if the entire show were her and Pike having throwback yet modern space adventures in their throwback yet modern uniforms instead of cry Burnham, fat chicks and bitches with sidecuts cuts bumbling through overly plotted, under written derivative garbage sci-fi plots.
THERE IS LITERALLY A BITCH NAMED OwO ON THE BRIDGE
It would have still been REALLY badly written, but at least had some redeeming qualities.
Owo is a cute! A CUTE! She's one of the few competent people on that excuse for a starship.
I was salty as fuck when Pike lost the yellow uniform in episode 2 (?)
yeah, i laffed at that too
She literally calls herself "number one" during the interrogation. Is that supposed to some kind of joke that the writers never bothered to name that character?
there are multiple prime directive violations throughout season 2 as well as straight up insubordination that is never addressed
It's just a joke that she didn't have a name in the TOS pilot but it works because she's being indignant during the investigation.
Why didnt we meet any new aliens species on away missions in S2?
> But...
> No! I'm not listening. La la la la....
Spot on, mate.
Yes. She's the black Q.
Well, N.....
Dont forget that in the one Episode where they meet the ancient Sphere and the universal translator is disabled for a short time, she speaks...swedish.
Who the fuck teleported the humans to that planet in the middle of nowhere?
>she speaks...swedish.
If it weren't sad I would be laughing. Even in the future Sweden is permanently fucked
Her mom to test if she could
>Reaches goal two years ahead of schedule
>That's why every original series on the service is in meltdown mode
What are people watching then given it's clearly not the original content?
I can't even tell if you're serious
They needed to pour all their power into the time crystal to charge it up or something
wait what
She mentions it briefly in one of the logs, she wanted to experiment with how she could influence the world so displaced some people and tested if their society was still alive in the present.
>Tilly just runs the fuck into a top secret meeting between the captain and the admiral and doesn't get reprimanded
That number from (((CBS))) is for all their streaming networks lumped together. They don't break out the stats for the STD channel separately.
how many do they have? There's All Access and Showtime that I can think of off the top of my head.
When Pike flew off at the end I wanted to go with him :(
I don't get this; why do people think everyone is pretending that Burnham herself doesn't exist? The episode itself just Spock suggest that Starfleet classify the final fate of the Discovery. That is to say, everyone still openly acknowledges that Burnham existed, as well as the Discovery, but despite having ended tge Klingon-UFP War, both ultimately exploded when the spore drive malfunctioned. And so to make sure no one tries to fuck shit up again, Spock SUGGESTS that Starfleet classify the concept of the spore drive and the final postwar fates of everyone on the Discovery.
And even then, the Starfleet rep simply said "we'll take this under consideration", so who knows what they ACTUALLY did.
STD may be the worst Trek ever made, but cmmooooooon, it's disingenuous as fuck to try to twist facts to suit an agenda or narrative. That's literally what STDfags do. I don't get why anyone here would want to be like that.
But if *I'M* wrong, then actually provide evidence. Just saying I'm wrong without evidence is another STDfag move.
Then why not jump to the other side of the galaxy first, -then- charge the crystal?
The fuck is wrong with you user. It's clearly a joke. Lighten up. And have intercourse.
i love star trek series, and they're destroying the franchise. Stargate Universe was much better than this, and it destroyed the franchise.
>There's All Access and Showtime
Just those two. But Showtime has more subscribers so they use it to pad the All Access numbers.
She said she saved her many many times
She shouldn't have
I hate how they just left these people behind.
How the fuck were they considered natives? They're human!
That's like finding shipwreck survivors on an island and deciding they're better off left behind because they don't know who the current president is.
>We don't have the alloy necessary for the suit!
>Uh we could use the Styrofoam from the cargo bay
>Oh yeah that would work
I didn't like how the show is so casual about the loss of human life.
If you're not a named character your loss is forgotten in a minute.
Sometimes even laughed about.
The original Star Trek got joked about how redshirts existed just to die but in the show itself the death of one was a big damn deal.
Ho boy, I can't wait for the Picard x STD crossover
He was great though.
I can't help but worry what kind of effects these flimsy morals will have on young pliable brains. Whole generations grew up with Star Trek's lesson of what humanity is all about. What do we take away from current tv? I wouldn't be surprised we'll see a rise in sociopaths and psychopaths. Or god knows what else. Oh and not just because of this one show. It's a trend in modern TV/Film with some exceptions here and there.
I actually had my hopes up after episode 2 only to have them crushed in every subsequent episode.
Do you think young children even watched this show?
It got pretty gory at times.
Not young children. But teenagers sure.
Does the show have any good role models for teenagers?
>the show goes at length to explain why TOS doesn't have ghost holograms, over and over episode after episode
Yes, that's the continuity problem with the show. Thank you based Fuller.
It's Star Wars: Discovery now:
youtube.com
Can't think of one. The people the show focuses on are stoic autists, insecure people, dramaqueens, people with god complex. And a lot of them seem to have issues with loyalty, dicipline, command structure, or even respect. Weirdly enough Tilly seems to show the most real human emotions, though in any prior version of Trek a person like that would have never made it onto a starship.
Choreography is hard ok? Just puke a bunch of shit and lights to cover up how static the actual ships are and how there's no real order of battle.
Pew pew pew look things are happening (protip: nothing is happening)
Saru ran away from home by jumping into a vehicle with a stranger he had an online relationship with first. So that's one.
Nobody can answer you because nobody knows.
Wait a minute, if they killed Control then why did they have to go to the future at all?
Thats triggers you /pol/ incel, doesn't it, subhuman? GOOD. :)
There shouldn't be any species we don't already know about in that part of space.
Oh shit he's starting to ask the right questions! WE NEED MORE PEWS!
If I was a paranoid AI hellbent on achieving full sentience, I would probably leave a backup around somewhere, just in case.
I have watched Star Trek since 1966 ( I was three, at the time ).
It helped to ground me morally, and Spock was a major part of getting my emotions under control.
STD comes off as pew pew space battles, and they often violate Federation principals.
I like nu-Spock in STD, though. Nimoy isn't with us anymore, sadly.
JJ Abrams already destroyed it. Orci and then Kurtzman just picked up where they left off when they worked for Bad Robot.
>season 3 finale
>jean luc, you must swear to NEVER EVER mention your adopted sister michael burnham, even though she saved your life and defeated Q this season!
All those people were relatable. You could actually meet people with Kirk or Picard traits in real life. I guess you could also randomly meet people with Discovery traits but you'd mostly find them on the playground. I agree nu-spock is ok
oh god, another intellectual
I thought that was the whole point of the series. That they COULDN'T kill Control because it was basically a decentralised threat. That's why I thought it was going to be a Borg origin story because they were basically going to blast his ass into the Gamma Quadrant using the spore drive and leave him there and hope for the best.
To get rid of Discovery and align more with canon.
I have no idea how the next season will go, without the MILF admiral, Airiam, Pike, or the ship the show is named after.
They are making this shit up as they go along.
That dude literally looks like an Oompa Loompa
>They are making this shit up as they go along.
That's exactly what this season felt like. It felt like someone had filmed a first draft of the script.
It might possibly be alright if they folow Discovery into the future and show them dealing with whatever is going on there in a fucked up ship, and we can literally just forget any of season 1 or 2 ever happened.
kil me
That was really bad and also unprecedented in all of Star Trek. It's bad enough the Federation Ships suddenly have fighter bays, but the worst part was the sound effects. The weapons sounded like they from a 1987 NES game. The "fighters" sounded like cars from The Jetsons. Whoever does the sound editing should be fired.
Tilly can look like THAT?
>Airiam
ah yes the most important side character besides mighty Michael Burnham
cmon man nobody is gonna even notice she's even there
I love DISCO (Star Trek Discovery)!
I hate everything about this show. I even hate they way they hold that device in their hands, rather than having it mounted on a tripod that would allow it to be aimed precisely, and safely.
So how in the fuck is Giorgio supposed to have a Section31 spinoff if she's with Discovery 900 years in the future after TOS?
>this is supposed to be the result of getting fit for officer training
are you guys also in /trek/ regurlarly?
Why even jump to the future after defeating Control/Leland? And Number One's actual, literal name is Number One?
>The original Star Trek got joked about how redshirts existed just to die but in the show itself the death of one was a big damn deal.
and even then Kirk would usually go up to the bad guy of the episode and say
>I want to know why 4 of my men are dead!
or when they're mind controlled by the kids and Kirk thinks he's sending people down to a planet but sends them into deep space instead, he expresses a quick but deep regret.
just only let your kids watch TOS geez. It's not like parents have 0 control.
what's their explanation?
I'm actually surprised they didn't go with that.
It would be so like them to have Discovery take credit for creating the Borg.
They could even have had them create the wormhole that would bring the Voyager probe over as well.
This. Making it up as you go because you think you have a good premise and characters (they don't) is fine, but only works in episodic form, like the original Trek series. You can rubber band back to the status quo most of the time and be fine. You don't break the show. Lost was one of the first series to try combining a series arc with making it up on the fly, and even it's fans say it crashed hard before it ended.
Everything about STD screams that they have a writers room filled with people shouting out random ideas and just gluing them together with no regard for anything that has come before. What a fucking mess. This is why things like this only work when you commit to one strong willed person being in charge who has a determined and complete vision for the whole story, beginning, middle, and end. If you don't have (and keep) that focal person, you get this mess. It's hackery by committee.
I always make my own threads if I want to talk about Trek
the general is absolute shit with literal underage discord tripfag drama
It sounds really bad, and there's a lot to dislike about STD, but in fairness, none of these episode plots are any more contrived than any random draw of episodes from any other Star Trek series.
I am here every fucking day.
About a third of all the videos I watch are Trek.
I have every episode of every series on my hard drive.I would make webms for you, if you asked nicely and gave me a time signature.
I really believe that Star trek is best as an anthology series with maybe some continuing subplots at most. Not as a continuing long story broken up like a serial.
you already understand star trek better than any STD writer
Pike didn't liked them, i shit you not. of course there was also an explanation that those holograms fried the wiring of the whole Enterprise, but it was told once while every other episode Pike said that he didn't liked holograms
i love you for being here.
so because one guy in all of starfleet didn't like them they were never implemented widely?
fuck I'm so glad I didn't have to watch this.
desu I kind of like this design
Love how Pike chickened out twice out of situations that other Captains wouldn't have. Just leaves Discovery while everyone decides to stay, just leaves the admiral with that torpedo. Such a great role model.
Remember, if it's not GOT level, it can't be popular anymore.
Did they ever say that her suit can Iron Man fly? I thought it was just a time suit that creates wormholes. Also, who taught those Kelpiens to fly?
He also reinstated the ready room.
>one guy in all of starfleet didn't like them
Witch also didn't stop anyone including Pike from using holograms btw. There was only ONE time this whole season when anyone communicated through "tv on the wall" and even then the dude on the other end quiped that "only you and my mother still uses this tipe of communication".
Pike leaving discovery wasn't such a big deal as he still was captain of enterprise.
>I don't get this; why do people think everyone is pretending that Burnham herself doesn't exist? The episode itself just Spock suggest that Starfleet classify the final fate of the Discovery.
He says, "All knowledge of Discovery, the spore drive, AND HER CREW must never be spoken of again."
Looked closer to the original movies at least.
>"only you and my mother still uses this tipe of communication".
but it's supposed to take place in the PAST AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
Best marathon runner on the ship
Its good except for the dumb reflective surface
I've been watching clips on judentube, and so far the best thing about them is Rebecca Romijn's hair.
Does anyone have a webm of hologram Sarek taking a sit on the table?
>how will the show continue if the ship and all major characters went through a wormhole into the future?!?!
Want to have another think about that mate?
The Animated Series of all things shows how to do this well. 'One of Our Planets is Missing' (the giant red cloud episode)
It shows how to deal with sacrifice and what you're willing to give to save another.
Despite knowing the planet will never get evacuated in time, he waits till the last possible moment before using force.
They do not know the alien cloud, or if it even is alive or intelligent, but he tried everything he can as long as he can to get the thing to leave the planet alone peacefully.
And yet, when told that only a self destruct would be powerful enough to damage it, he doesn't hesitate to start the countdown.
So despite 80 million people being in danger, he was doing everything he could to stop the big red cloud on the off chance it was alive or intelligent,
yet when pushed would blow himself up to save those same people.
That's the Kirk that would eventually become a thrillseeking fistfighting womanizing stereotype he is today.
He would be with the first people to beam down to a new planet, because to him if he was going to ask these men to risk their lives exploring the dangers of a new place, the least he could do is stand by them as they did.
Hearing how some salt monster killed your men while safely on the bridge wouldn't sit well with him.
yeah looks better with the red tho
>Hearing how some salt monster killed your men while safely on the bridge wouldn't sit well with him.
always liked how he kept the redshirt in that episode at the end from being a martyr, they even scuffle over it.
The two new Spocks have been more then adequate.
Their actors can't help it when their character is badly written.
Not even Quinto's acting talents could save a scene written as 'Spock on a flying garbage truck punching Benedict Cumberbatch in the face over and over in mindless rage ' as a finale.
I learned on an episode of Jeopardy that Zachary Quinto did some theater stuff in broadway. shame it was wasted on JJ's version.
I politely disagree with you.
I believe Star Trek could work as a season long arc like other sci-fi shows do.
It is just that the way Discovery went about it is the exact opposite of how it should have been done.
I kinda like it? But it feels way too big, like those interiors from Star Trek Online.
Let me sum up season 2 for you
>Uh, one: michael needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine. Two: Whenever michael's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's michael?"
I know everyone hates Discovery but I like it sort of. I hate much about it too.
Its got lots of splosions.
Very good pew pew battles.
Its got some twists.
The CIA factbook that wants to kill everything in the universe is ok sort of.
The Orville is my real problem. Too many sex episodes with the gay aliens. It gets boring and stupid after a while.
it looks like a panorama shot, like it's not actually that wide.
this angle already makes it look more contained
>chickened out
I remember on the religion planet when scientist man discovers them Pike just turns and books it to the stairs.
To my knowledge it is the only time I have ever seen a Star Trek captain just run around and flee.
On foot no less.
agree, both DS9 and ENT had season long arcs and there's no reason why STD has to be this fucking sloppy
in the pilot, Pike does express not wanting to be captain (in confidence to his doctor), but regardless he put on a straight face for his crew and never ran away.
Oh look, its another Midnight's Edge cucks thread.
what the fuck are you blabbering about?
The bridge is beautiful.
And so is the sexy navigator.
I hope Pike spikes that soon.
I like how they have the TOS style random light bars above stuff that actually shows info
Looks like it can actually do shit.
And the transition to the new uniforms, subtle.
Its got some stuff that is really neat.
This is a nice thread.
We can talk about what we love and hate equally about the show and that is just refreshing.
Every other site on the internet (and most threads on Yea Forums too actually) tend to just be
>"Rawr everything about this show is awful watch the Orville instead"
or
>"Rawr this show is the best thing ever you just hate black women"
I've seen sites, forums and message boards rip themselves in two over this and it is unsettling how hardline some of them have settled on one side.
Places I've visited for years now reduced to either pools of vitriol or over-moderated censorship. Unsettling.
So, y'know, thanks everyone for having a nice Discovery thread for once.
It was Kino.
Miss Mystique, set course for my dick !
aye Captain
>pointy tits
Maybe? But look at how small the blue and red guy are.
That guy in the red shirt is either two heads smaller then Pike or he is like seven meters (20 feet) away.
Pike has been an awesome character since 1966.
The pilot episode did not air until 1986. Jeffery Hunter died in 1969, at 42 years old
this season was great, had great battles and special effects wasnt to boring and talky. really enjoyed it
they really are trying to capture the 60s look
I still like Saru, but I hate that he barely gets anything to do. Star Trek having a single main character ruins a lot of the point of it, it's supposed to be that humanity needs to cooperate, it's humanity as a community that is what will make Humans succeed, not a single man or woman.
So how did all this time-jumping didn't made alternate realities and yet the Kelvin timeline happened anyway?
>navigator, set course for the bongo-7 system, heading 275.1 warp 3.7"
>"uhhhh, in english bitch?"
So are people that like Discovery literally just liking it for how it looks/the effects? Because even if it wasn't Star Trek, the characters are still so easy to hate, the story is still convoluted as fuck. How can anyone even discuss the plot of the show with a straight face?!
>wasnt to boring and talky
i outright skipped a ton of dialogs about characters feelings and didn't missed a single thing about the plot.
In other words, I'm very happy to have you on my staff.
She's so lovely. How come girls doesn't look like that anymore? I mean, it's not like they changed much. Is it the hairstyle? It feels like out of the 70's and I love it. Only thing missing is the way they talked by then. Maybe it's the recording devices that were shit back then, but listening to women out of the 70's is a treat to my ears
Saru would have fit in well with any other Trek show.
Voyager and TNG especially would have been really given him moments to shine, and be themselves improved by that.
I would have loved to see some bottle show episodes with him, in a more relaxed setting.
writers clearly did not gave a single fuck about it , so why do you expect us to do it?
A machine wants to kill everything using knowledge.
The only solution is to mess with time.
Its ok.
We won't see enterprise again in this show. It's going to focus on Discovery being stranded in the future.
That movie-like ending scene was the only scene that got that old Star Trek feel for me and the only hope for an actual good modern Trek season. But of course season 3 will just be Discovery in the future I presume?
they weren't told that being feminine was a bad thing back then
your obviously foreign grammar mistakes mark you as a samefag foreigner. lowest of the low
>saru
Still higher than some idiot that thinks that there is only one foreign user in the world.
Isn't the next series Peckard?
Crossover?
he was SO fucking creepy in this movie
I wonder why they spent so much money on SFX for STD, and didn't hire better writers to make it more coherent.
I could counter a few of these with things they said in the show
Like they couldnt sporejump while charging the time crystal.
But there are still more answers like them being able to just jump away before doing the charge.
Of course, Enterprise would be SOL either way.
It came as a genuine surprise that many of the old star trek community did indeed like the show on looks alone.
Lots of people were caught of guard that so many people loved/hated the new show.
People who were weeks before happily talking about the new show, rewatching the old shows in anticipation, speculating and doing other fan stuff all turned on each other practically overnight.
Me personally, I watched 5 episodes of season 1 before deciding that for all the good the show had, it went against the spirit of Star Trek. I still liked it as an action-drama-sci-fi though, like Battlestar Galactica had been.
But no. I was told that not only was this show pure Trek, it was the best Trek that had ever been made.
And I'm not talking about anonymous people online here. People I've known in real life for 15 years told me this. That first month Discovery came out was pandemonium online.
spent his whole career covered in rubber suits
>didn't hire better writers to make it more coherent.
The problem is that they thought that they hired the best just because of the trendy name.
Because they eliminated Leland, but not Control entirely. This shit spreads into ships and even into humans for fucks sake, they had no way of being sure it was eliminated at that point. That's why they had to remove the Sphere from time entirely. Control was entirely eliminated afterwards, as confirmed by that guy questioning the crew at the end. Stop eating popcorn when watching your series and plug your brain, burger.
They didn't hire better writers because they were themselves convinced that they were writing amazing stuff.
Discovery isn't the only show on tv that suffered from this.
Other media too, videogames especially, suffer from the "we don't need professional writers, I am an amazing writer because I have IDEAS" problem.
There's definitely a huge aspect to the trek feel that is lost when they go for these huge and overproduced bridges. As much as they tried to tie that bridge to the TOS aesthetic, it still feels cold and sterile. Not a place you actually want to visit.
Did they bring up the irony of a secret organization dedicated to eliminating potential threats to the Federation being responsible for creating a threat that would have utterly destroyed the Federation?
YUM YUM
I met him at a small comicon we have here. him and Gates McFadden, both were really really nice. Gates wants to be on the Picard show but not sure if she will
It looks more like a battleship bridge, less like a scientific cruise ships.That is because before you explore you have to kill everything.
The entire 2nd season would've been a halfway decent two-parter in any other trek.
the fucking DS9 finale 7-parter had more plot than this shitheap.
>there exists a timeline where ENT got a full 7 seasons
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
Dunno, did you also bring up such irony when questioning the methods of CIA?
>5 doctors shown in the finale
>All of them were black
along with their powers of scrying the future
If this is true then why did all the ships shut down like at the end of the fucking Phantom Menace? If it was a decentralised AI then why did killing Leland have any effect at all? Was the superintelligent AI so stupid that it would have all its executive command functions located in a single human body, THE SAME BODY IS WAS GOING TO USE TO PHYSICALLY BOARD AN ENEMY SHIP? Also how would the cleanup operation have been that easy? How would they have been able to keep the thousands of crew members involved in the battle, and no doubt the tens of thousands involved in the cleanup operation, silent, especially in a universe without money? Why did the entire crew of Discovery have to travel to the future at all? Once Leland was disabled the entire enemy fleet shut down, they could just have transported them off and had it autopilot into the future so that Burnham would have been the only one who had to go. None of this makes any fucking sense.
Bones had this way of standing behind Kirk on the bridge like he was just hanging out there.
He'd have this permanent scowl on but you could tell he was just relaxed and hanging out.
It was super comfy.
I WANT TO PUT MY NUMBER ONE IN NUMBER ONES NUMBER TWO
He was a good friend.
And a bad doctor.
These are my questions;
Why didn't they transfer the Sphere data to a shuttle and then blow it up? They could obviously transfer it to the suit, so a shuttle should work too. Or just an external hard drive.
Why did they feel the need to capture the Red Angel? And did Pike believe that capturing the Angel was so important that it was worth sacrificing the life of Michael Burnham - as she was to be the bait?
See there's simply no way to achieve this feel with the STD bridges
I like in the Ultimate Computer Kirk asks him
>what are you doing here?
>hanging out because the AI decided no one needs the sick bay right now
paraphrasing, but it's like the only time I can think of kirk actually questioning his presence.
It's norwegian actually
>Why didn't they transfer the Sphere data to a shuttle and then blow it up?
The Sphere data acted to protect itself. Who's to say it would allow itself to be downloaded?
The real question is why did they stop firing at Discovery?
>Oh no, the data raised the shields and blocked our one salvo. As we all know, there's is no possibility of damaging shields until they stop working - guess we better have a huge battle instead
>Oh no - all these attacks are draining our shields and might blow up our ship!
People rag on TNG's technobabble, but not only would TNG have taken two minutes to give a technobabble explanation to everything, the technobabble would also remain consistent between episodes.
They saved all life in all multiverses from extinction in season 1
I am MKULTRA, it is not just a name, but my actual nature, and am part of a CIA mind control program. If Section 31 existed now, I would likely join it.
I remember that.
Kirk looks at him as he enters, sees that his body language is off and instantly asks him what was up.
He wouldn't have asked that if Bones had been relaxed.
will she be in the new Star Trek cartoon?
Or just teleport a nuclear device into the ship, not much the Sphere could do about preventing it to blow up. That's my only gripes with how the final went, desu. But that's just the usual standard oversights you see all the time in scifi. Other Trek series aren't devoid of this either, nor is BSG, SG, SW, you name it. Far from it.
>He wouldn't have asked that if Bones had been relaxed.
true true
lot of good shit in TOS
I have yet to try a mint julep
Her real name is Lwaxana
>Or just teleport a nuclear device into the ship
Can't teleport through shields. Let's not allow disgust with this show make us forget basic ST canon.
I hope so. Who wouldn't want a hot cat-girl around?
Why didn't Section 31 use Discovery's prefix code?
M'ress is a cat-person done right.
She has to be the only furry female in media that isn't a massive slut in permanent heat.
Rather then go for the overdone-to-death stereotype of feline seductress that every cat-themed woman has had since...god? 60's Batman? There are probably even earlier examples then that. they went for a different personality.
She was more of a naive type. She was friendly, liked making friends and was good at her job. Y'know, an actual person.
It's often forgotten because it looks so camp today, but TOS was actually a pretty serious Sci-Fi show back in the day.
There was real money spend making those sets, models and costumes especially for a TV show.
Back in the 60's when it first aired it must have looked amazing.
>There are probably even earlier examples then that.
Baast is usually depicted as a hottie. Look at those hips.
>Bastet was also a goddess of pregnancy and childbirth, possibly because of the fertility of the domestic cat.
Great Game. Probably the second best Star Trek game I've played(Star Trek Armada was the best).
>Who's to say it would allow itself to be downloaded?
But it did allow itself to be downloaded into the suit.
>tfw DS9 had twice the number of episodes per season
True enough. I apologize for trying to make sense of this plot.
DON'T MENTION THAT WOMAN!
Never given a name in the pilot or Menagerie just called "Number One". Her name in the novels was Una.
Because the show would have been over in 5 minutes if it had happened that way.
I would cream myself if that turned out to be true
Unironicallly good idea
>dude if we try to transfer the sphere data anywhere it'll defend itself and block the transfer
>georgio transfers it to a small handheld device effortlessly
>the red angel is me, so we have to kill me so me will come back in time to save me from being killed by me. we can't half-ass this either. me has to completely kill me so me has no choice but to use future tech we have no way of knowing me has to bring me back to life
>oh shit, the red angel isn't me its me mum
>wait nevermind the red angel is me.
what the ever loving fuck
There is no hope there
Norwegian language doesn't exist.
what setup
Did I miss something or why did the Discovery let them get back to the ship in the earlier episode when they tried to self-destruct it? Why didn't they just keep firing on it when self-destruct failed?
>Oh no, self-destruct failed
>Fire torpedoes, oh no, shields are up.
>Okay, stop firing (for some reason)
>Next scene, everyone back on Discovery
How did they explain this?!
Seriously why didn't Cornwell just barrel roll out of the room?
they probably didn't want it to warp away if the shields got low.
Dr. Jones could have made it.
why didn't they transported her out?
Do you think they'll make Picard suck Michael's dick, or are they actually going to let her step aside and let someone else be important for a moment?
Shouldn't a blast door have handles on both sides?
it didn't even have one handle earlier in the scene, it was jammed
why don't they build entire ships out of those blast doors? why didn't she just reach around the door frame to pull the lever? why is that scene literally image related except dead serious and no punchline?
he's going to shit on michael and michael is going to btfo him
>warning. emergency controls may jam in case of emergency.
>for your own safety, please only use emergency controls during non-emergencies.
>please do not use emergency controls during non-emergencies.
>in case of emergency control jam, please use normal controls to override emergency controls.
>...or are they actually going to let her step aside and let someone else be important for a moment?
Oh you poor sweet innocent child.
I didn't watch but I heard people saying they were doing a Borg origin, which sounds like this Skynet AI time travel shit. Was the Borg connection just a fake out?
yeah it had nothing to do with the borg, just AI nanites
They didn't explain shit but apparently they stole the AI stuff from a shitty EU novel. They also didn't beat that AI in the end.
Are those little repair droids for real?
Does Star Trek have astromech droids now?
the studio probably handled the cgi without consulting the writers or directors or anyone. Why didn't they get not-R2D2 to pull the lever?
Yes, now it does.
they did defeat the AI though. And still sent discovery into the future anyway.
No, they defeated one of multiple puppets and definitely NOT the AI
all the AI stuff shut down once they killed not-leland.
Yeah, which was retarded. Nothing about even the given attributes of this AI from the rest of the show make that even remotely plausible.
I don't know where they got their writers from but I'm pretty sure they're illiterate. They may have had books and films described to them but thats not likely either.
She camgirls, by the way. Alexa_Asian
Lol, that just makes it even dumber cause now the question is why didn't it warp away right away once the last person was off the ship?!
Why did Pike answer the Discovery hail in that lift right after?
the show was written by the same process SEO'd clickbait is generated. they compiled a list of popular star trek keywords and write episodes to include them all.
because it didn't know it was going to be destroyed, because, somehow, the whole "self destruct" thing didn't register that people were trying to destroy the ship.
I also get a kick whenever people prove they have no idea how computers work. As the data was destroyed every time it was transferred to another device or part of the computer.
>Section 31 headquarters
I thought they had no headquarters or even a central database.
So many things have been retconned this season nobody noticed that
I winced hard when that happened.
Fuck, he's so handsome
He is, but I feel they went overboard with the grey for the Pike of this time. Should have been way more subtle.
I think they were trying to make him seem older than he was during The Cage.
Pretty sure it's his natural color.
The MCU audience will like anything you put in their face as long as it has pew pew splosions and silly billy jokey wokeys.
Might be and it doesn't look bad on him. Just saying that he looks a lot more grey than Hunter's Pike when it's around the same time. I know it's a drop in the ocean of shit that is wrong in the show, but it bugged me for some reason. Like they wanted to just make him look like Greenwood from the JJ movies.
>Might be
Pic related is like 5 years old or even more.
Handsome, charismatic and authoritative. They made the perfect casting choice here.
Between all the new characters introduced in the second season, they could remove all of the original crew and no-one would care.
Ok, I believe you, and like I say, it looks good on him. Just doesn't align with the original Pike. Maybe the issue I have is that he does such a good job with the character that it stands out as a small immersion breaker. If it was a little darker I could believe that this was the one and same Pike.
Ironic shit posting is still shit posting.
*sucks your cock*
Has a third season been confirmed?
Or is it the Picard show first before anything else?
back in feb, yeah.
>In the Star Trek: Discovery episode "Perpetual Infinity", Captain Leland of Section 31 is infected with nanites by the time-traveling rogue artificial intelligence Control. Leland displays characteristics similar to Borg drones, including black veins and a heightened ability to adapt in combat, suggesting that Control is connected to the origin of the Borg. In addition, the Borg are known for their possession of transwarp technology, which allows them to travel to any section of the galaxy in an instant. This suggests the technology may have been derived from Discovery's spore drive.
>This theory is yet to be confirmed on screen as a Borg origin story
Tilly is going to become the borg queen, lock that in boys.
>This suggests the technology may have been derived from Discovery's spore drive
What's next? Q is michael's son?
Fuck it, why not. lock that in as well.
oh fuck no...don't let Micheal touch John DeLance
more like michael builds the Q continuum.
Don't try to make sense of it. The entire season was just created for the "nobody can mention discovery or it's crew ever" directive. Then they fuck off 950 years into the future so nobody can REEEEE at them for fucking canon anymore. Not sure why they didn't just start off season one in the future and avoid all this bullshit from the start but whatever. Fuck STD
In this particular area, sure, but definitely not galaxy-wide.
>Michael
>her
what the fuck am I reading
le ebin progressive naming, because name isn't defined by gender
Its the future bro, Michael is a black woman because names now have no gender, there is also an Asian male called Lisa Lu to show the other side of the whole genderless name shit.
control threw everything it had at discovery to get the sphere data, they showed it being defeated by killing not-leland.
hell, georgio's entire plotline is centered on the idea she isn't just abusing a remotely controlled drone.
Except even the characters in the show find it weird. In the first season Tily even says that she knows only one female named michael.
It wasn't one female, it was one starfleet officer named michael burnam.
Hell even if it wasn't all killed they'd just need to wait 10 years for Kirk to command the Enterprise and he could talk any superior AI into killing itself. Which he did multiple times in TOS with great effect. Coz Kirk was based as fuck and didn't need a whole fucking season to wrap anything up
>name character michael
>make her an angel in the second season
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