Holy fuck, this debate was everything I wanted it to be and more. When are we getting highlights?

I told you Peterson was gonna get schooled, but you retards didn't believe me.
As I said even before the debate happened, Peterson has a /pol/tard's understanding of what Marxism is. He thinks Marxism is having niggers in your cartoons. He's not intellectually capable of discussing it and the debate proved it.

Looked like jp was arguing that communism is cancer..

So I'm going to day jp won because it's an obvious fact at this point.

at least Peterson has a pleasant voice. Listening to Zizek makes me physically ill.

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I can hardly understand what this homeless looking dude is saying

>watching two absolute nobodies debate
Everyone lost. Can anyone name any actual contributions to humanity by either of these individuals. And books that have done nothing dont count sorry

Both of them are inferior to alt-right intellectuals. Nonetheless, Zizek won this very decisively, even if he rambled for the most part.

clean your room again kiddo

Peterson and it was not close.

Zizek clowns are just as retarded as Peterson betas, you're embarassing yourself for taking this seriously and unironically professing his skills in BTFOing your opposition.

He makes the audience laugh therefore he wins.

>same lefty shill from last thread
>word for word same comment
Marxism is awful and you will never see your "ideology" come to fruition

>Both of them are inferior to alt-right intellectuals

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Peterson’s only job was to make us realize Zizek looks like a vagina

room: unclean

>being this salty over some meme professor getting BTFO in a field he doesn't understand

Like why does this matter so much to you?

Zizek reminds me of Gail the Snail from It's Always Sunny, he either needs to spit or swallow the phlegm in his mouth.

I wouldnt call it alt right but ya, the people associated with Nrx are leaps and bounds ahead of every other political thinker currently.

Literally Fuck off back to leftypol reddit or whichever shithole you came from. I'm not a /pol/fag but it's clearly obvious people on Yea Forums aren't making memes like that and you're just taking them from your faggot ass circle jerk reddit and posting it here. Go back you fucking insecure rat nobody gives a shit that the guy you like won in some pointless debate about gay shit. Kill yourself.

Cringe

>>word for word same comment
where do you think you are?

clean your room better

This but even more ironically

>/pol/ and leftpol b8

Please go back

literally anyone could do that though

Don't know... you seem to be the only person getting their feathers visibly ruffled here.

>heard of Zizek but never watched any clips with him
>open link in OP
>it's communist Sylvester
Sheesh. And I thought the Camille Paglia one was bad.

When he says neo-marxists and qualifies it, why do people like you insist he's talking about revolutionary marxists?

you wish

Yes they both induce a lot of cringe but thats not a tangible contribution to humanity try ahain

Where's the lie?
Guys like Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor and Mike Enoch would fuck both of them in a debate.

I don't have to wish, lad.

The eternal pol-fag got btfo. It's so pleasant to see all your tears flow through all channels of the chans.

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opposite desu

Because they cant survive without strawmanning and straight up lying

99.999% of people on Yea Forums don't even know the difference between Marx, Marxism, and Neo-Marxism.

No one, simply because Zizek didn't even stick to the debate topic which was communism vs capitalism.

He was just arguing that you should have more regulation and attribute some social ills to capitalism rather than Jews or other things. He takes a massive shit on lgbtqs+ too, so I don't get why these trannies are so fired up.

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None. There wasn't anything to win. Anyways, hope they keep doing this shit, maybe someday it will gain a cult following strong enough to make the participants prepare for the event and actually have a declared winner. That way I can make some quick bucks out of it.

*sniff* GG *SNIFF* NO RE *SNIIIIFF*

Most historical thinkers only became influential following their death

Yet here you are still getting angry. Booo hoo somebody got more claps.

this

i doubt that people here don't know the difference between someone hyper focused on upending the capitalist system and someone who is entirely focused on non-white vs white power dynamics.

They might not give them different names but they know exactly who these people are.

I thought the debate was about happiness, he's a psychologist it's literally his job to work out why people aren't happy

>subaverage self help guru
>vs.
>nobody
the only way to lose is to watch this fucking video. potato vs empty bottle of salad dressing is just as meaningful as watching these pseud faggots flail at each other verbally for an hour or whatever.

imagine being so stupid you literally believe everyone fits into your preconceived dichotomy

The same fags bumping this thread with glee probably cry and shit their pants and think /pol/ threads on Yea Forums are an epidemic.

Topic was "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism".
Marxism is not synonymous with Communism.

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>bumps thread
>calls himself a pants shitting faggot
lmao bruh

Eyes wet, stench of smug
They are silly, I am God
My fans, exceptions

I don't see how you can read that unless you do what all those other pathetic idiots do, siding with the person who puts himself above everything.

You can see the losers ITT pretending like this debate was meaningful for anyone who's actually seem a female vagina in real life.

No they don't. The vast majority of the users on this site are poorfag shitposters that can't even be bothered to look up release dates on google let alone definitions of anything that involves higher level thinking.

Peterson didn't lose tho, these guys were essentially just saying what they wanted without any real regard for debating each other's points

>meme
This is untrue. Lets pretend it is true though. Give me your opinion on one contribution either of them will be noted for

Peterson got btfo. A clear win for Marxism and communism.

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any good jewish jokes?

>Both of them are inferior to alt-right intellectuals.

Like who?

This is the same tactic you use after a Destiny debate. The real winners are the people who don't care.

Zizek, obviously, not Kermit the PseudoDad.

Peterson

Right it was marxism, and he wasn't arguing that marxism would be a better alternative to capitalism to produce happiness. He explicitly says that in his opening statement, so immediately the debate question was thrown to the side.

Imagine being subhuman, and not understanding what the debate topic was about and what they were supposed to argue about. How do you determine a winner if the speakers don't stick to the agreed upon arena/scope? They were both agreeing that you should put in more regulations into capitalism.

Cope

JP is beyond shitty, far beyond. That he agrees with Hegel is the core problem and he doesn't even know it

Ask me how I know you've never watched a debate before.

Peterson BTFO Stallman, he should stick to computers

Before the debate happened I predicted that both sides would individually claim they won and no one would even care what the opposing arguments were.
I hate being right.

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Zizek subtly made fun of Peterson for his basic and simplified knowledge on the subject. It was never an equal battle, but Zizek showed mercy.

That's appropriate. Neither does Peterson!

This is what peak damage limitation looks like.

>R*ddit
>pol
>leftypol
The only people interested in this garbage are subhumans. If you're from one of these and look down on any other, you're laughable.

wow big think! i love zizek! haha every time peterson even spoke I was spamming the chat like a triggered retard
LOL LE LOBSTERBOI
imagine actually thinking these 2 are actually that different and it was a legitimate left vs right debate, brainlets
let me know when there's an ACTUAL debate with 2 people that actually represent the arguments of each side and then I'll care
this entire thing was a joke before it even started

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>The real winners are the people who don't care.
This x 1000
Fuck Peterson
Fuck Zizek
Fuck political e celebs and "intellectuals"

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100% this

based

Marxism is critique of Capitalism, which is exactly what Zizek was doing. Marxism is not an economic model, but it can be used to advocate for Socialism/Communism

kek

Holy fuck nostradamus over here

>Babies fell for that charlatan Peterson
Oh no no no no

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Yea but what you’re seeing is just b8, and there has been a wave of lefties invading and trying to influence this place into the oppo direction. They’re always the loudest and most aggressive in these kinds of threads

>alt-right intellectuals
>intellectuals
Come again?

Bitching about capitalism is pathetic and stupid, possibly an even bigger time sink than capeshit. There will be no cultural/class uprising in your lifetime, in fact those same institutions have already meaningfully forrclosed that possibility long before you were even born.
Get a fucking job and grow up.

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mind blown about patreonsons voice. I hate that rug selling conman.

You should be able to tell me with evidence which side I'm on damage control for then. Truth is I don't care about either cult leaders.

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unironically this
redditniggers really should just fuck off already

>Imagine literally not understanding debate format

You are literally crying and riding Peterson's excuse. He even went as far as to say he had no proposed solution to capitalism's problems which means even with your imaginary topic, he would have gotten BTFO in standard debate format.

Hoho oh man X got BTFO so hard

Now I'm gonna go watch some "FEMINIST DESTROYED" videos and hopefully build up the courage to kill myself

Sargon v Spencer, desu

See

Every time anyone from the left debates anyone from the right the boards are spammed with "leftwing guy won!" regardless what actually happened. You should see /pol/ right now it's an utter mess.

Zizek was outright toying with him. It was kinda embarrassing tbqh

yeah, now that I think about it this thing was unironically a bigger meme than Tariq vs Jared Taylor
their debate was more interesting and actually discussed some topics RELEVANT TO THIS CENTURY even though Tariq is basically just a black Sam Hyde playing a character

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This. Can't even watch it and make up my own mind.

How is it an excuse you idiot? You win a debate by actually sticking to the agreed upon topic, the whole thing quickly degenerated into a conversation which I think zizek comes across better because he doesn't pause for uncomfortable lengths of time.

sargon is fucking retarded. He just talks with an uppity british accent while shilling for the most ignorant, feelsfaggy bullshit.

>Bitching about capitalism is pathetic
Agreed
>stupid
No

Defending laissez faire capitalism is stupid. Especially since most of these people turn around and act like commies the moment it doesn't favor them.

It was a big night for incels that's all I can say

Haha, like, cumtown, am I right? Woo!

Yeah, these faggots who came from r_donald and adore tricksters like Peterson are dragging this site down into the mud.

>You win a debate by actually sticking to the agreed upon topic

You seem to be conflating sticking to the agreed upon topic to sticking to talking points. You can come at a topic many different ways in a debate. Go take a course at your local Juco or whatever.

Peterson was clearly not prepared and had no idea what Zizek's position on anything was. He thought he was just your standard SJW.

The obsessive hair-splitting, nitpicking, and willful sidestepping of Peterson's arguments suggests to me that his staunchest critics are all playing this weird group psychology imitation game. I never see any substantive criticism of his points on the value of competence hierarchies, the necessity of self-improvement before stepping out into the world and addressing institutional ills, the obvious similarities between Marxist classist doctrine and intersectional oppressor-oppressee narratives, the importance of uninhibited expression as a corrective for dysfunction and conflict remediation tool, the vacuousness of social constructionist ideas, and so on for the dozens of philosophical hills he's chosen to die on. All I see is "He's a hack, he's a snake oil salesman, he doesn't understand postmodernism, he doesn't understand marxism, he's a sophist, he's a reductive moron, he's a charlatan," and a number of other utterly vapid hand-waving concessions to actually bothering to confront anything he's saying at all.

If you want to see him truly on thin ice, listen to his first "debate" with Sam Harris about Truth. He is at his absolute weakest here, with an obstinate and utterly pedantic commitment to an archaic definition entertained by and convincing to nobody. That was the worst state I've ever seen him in.

I'm convinced his main adversaries are angry transgender people who still have a bone to pick with him over C-16 and an obsessive crowd of fringe lefties who are generally super insecure and can only find solidarity in throwing darts at apostates. The whole thing is a fucking travesty.

Again, he explicitly says he's not holding up Marxism as THE tool to achieve happiness, nor any of the economic models that spawn from it. He did not stick to the debate question, which is fine as its more interesting this way.

This

Burn it down

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>I act just like them but it doesn't apply to me!
Fuck off.

>defending
Unequivocally shut *the fuck* up.
Stop posting. The system you're born in is the one you're stuck with. Unless it's your intention to be the unilateral end to capitalism worldwide, you're wasting your breath pissing yourself off over nothing.
Play the fucking game or keep wasting your time bitching that the rules are unfair.

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anime shit used to be a right wing thing, how did the discord trannies and twitter antifatards appropriate it?

I'm conflating nothing When the man himself says he's not upholding marxism and its economic models as a replacement for capitalism, which prompts Peterson to ask him why he doesn't just call his ideology 'zizekism', then it's clear to everyone he's not sticking to the debate topic and having a more free flowing conversation.

In fact, I could make a stronger argument that Peterson 'won' since the whole night they were talking about reforming capitalism or putting in more regulations.

You knew it was gonna be in the second Jordan came in and said "I didn't have time to read any of this man's texts or opinions about anything, but I read this century old 20 page pamphlet about communism, so I think I know what's up". One hour later, he literally goes "T-THIS IS NOT WHAT I EXPECTED!"

It’s this kind of mindset that has turned some people here into the leftwing version of those donald redditors. You aren’t helping matters, you’re making them worse. Now there’s 2 groups of faggoty assholes

>I never see any substantive criticism of his points on the value of competence hierarchies,

That's because he presents all of his lecture stuff with a hidden caveat that shit simply can't be fixed, and he admitted so much in his debate. It's tantamount to saying Christianity has resulted in the death of millions but what's better -- nothing because I say so. No one is going to take a premise like that seriously. It's sophist. And desu it's not even Peterson that is being sophist. It's his fans. Peterson doesn't enter into debates with that stance, he tried to one time with this one and got BTFO. He's not an idiot and I think he makes a lot of great points based on his specific brand of cynicism. But it's still highly dependent on that brand.

>3 hours 17 minutes

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They deliberately did it desu, /leftypol/ just copies everything /pol/ does.

The absolute cope on this JP fanboy lmao

Peterson

Again that's literally not how debates work. You have some group think internet definition of how they work. Zizek won by collegiate debate standards. Hyperbole =/= debate

>sargon is fucking retarded
Yeah, he's a leftist, m8.

The topic was not about replacing Capitalism with another model because Marxism doesn't presuppose anything of the sort
The point of the debate was first and foremost to establish that Peterson doesn't understand Marxism, and Zizek was trying to be as courteous as possible about it in order to not alienate Peterson's fanbase

good post

>Zizek fans can't read and start wailing at eachother
You're just as retarded as JP fans. Kill everyone NOW.

>anime shit used to be a right wing thing

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Agree with your first paragraph but you should check out his antinatalism debate with David Benatar if you want to see Peterson really out of his depth. Excruciating.

Friendship ENDED with Peterson
Now Zizek is my Best Friend!
archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/113200185/

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>anime shit used to be a right wing thing
it never was. you just go to the right wing containment board on a weeb site and see people posting anime for years and assume all weebs are right wing because you are dumb. the rest of the weebs on this site don't give a shit about /pol/ trash except when it's funny. that's why we have a containment board to begin with.

>tfw posted about liking jp before

my life is fucking over

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It's easier to call him a fascist/sexist whatever since that goes viral and fits into tweets. It's all about how much you can gaslight people.

Peterson still doesn't speak in a way that protects himself against clipping, he still thinks that people actually just want to have a 'conversation' when they invite him on.

If they really wanted to critique him, they wouldn't split hairs over neo-marxist and revolutionary marxist, since he's clear about who he's talking about. They would bring up 200 years together which talks about how Jews are responsible for the gulags, where the author is recommended frequently by Peterson.

It was fucking awful.
It was two retards largely agreeing with each other for 2 hours and talking about minor things in which they disagreed a little bit.

Who is she

>anime
>right wing

Hello zoomers. It might surprise you to know that anime was actually a left wing thing for several decades as right wingers are historically xenophobic.

lmao, this actually is cope incarnate

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No one cares about your politics either.

Zizek ofc

>Richard Spencer
>Jared Taylor
>Mike Enoch
Collectively they maybe have a 2 iq and that's being generous, they are fucking idiots Jared Taylor is the only one with a legitimate education meanwhile his books are written like that of a kindergartner.
If these are the top minds of neo nazis there's a reason no one follows their shit ideology and avoids them like the plague

>That's because he presents all of his lecture stuff with a hidden caveat that shit simply can't be fixed

That's completely wrong! He never suggests that systemic problems can't be fixed, only that hierarchies are universal and tilt toward tyranny. His prescription against tyranny is to recognize the sovereignty of individuals and for people to exercise a continuous mental effort against the temptations of collectivism, since our tribal nature compels us in this direction. This is a perfectly credible argument.

>t. SEETHING Peterson fanboy

Japan basically doesn't do the left/right thing, the way Westerners think of it. Stop projecting onto their culture.

good, i don't want them to and i don't post about them. because this is Yea Forums.

>I am extremely impressed with how /our guy/ was out of his depth. Very cool!

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>All of the chad centrists and right wingers are browsing different threads
>the political thread is filled with insecure left wingers
Really. Jogs. Noggin. Have fun with your circle jerk, losers

Fuck off with your e-celebs bullshit

>people who care about speculative philosophy

>Richard Spencer

Fucking lol....geddafuckouttahere

Holy shit Zizek got utterly evicerated in the debate. Peterson BTFO'd him HARD.

8:53 P.M. — Zizek sniffs loudly.

I still kind of like him. He said some stuff that many people, especially young men, needed to hear. He probably has had a significant positive impact in many people's lives. You shouldn't take him or zizek seriously when it comes to this debate stuff, politics or philosophy or join the camp of followers who praise their every word. But you can still let him cheer you up if it actually helps.

>group think

It's how IQ^2 debates work, which are the top tier in terms of debate formats. You are given a question, debaters are supposed to stick to their side and convince the audience of that specific topic.

This is like us having a debate about game of thrones versus sopranos on which series is more entertaining, and all you do is focus on how sopranos could be improved to be even more entertaining by borrowing some aspects of GoT.

>and i don't post about them
Stop lying you piece of shit

None of those people are "Neo Nazis". Learn what words mean.

What a clear and logical way of thinking

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>only that hierarchies are universal
semantics, why would anyone take this seriously?

> and tilt toward tyranny
Ahh yes the old scientific method- wait...

>His prescription against tyranny is to recognize the sovereignty of individuals and for people to exercise a continuous mental effort against the temptations of collectivism

Great point. Unfortunately his fanbase in itsself is proof that the latter has very little chance of happening

the reverse image search does nothing please user

I'm not a fan of Marxism, but it's inexcusable that Peterson's reading of Marx appears to come just from the Manifesto

I was expecting the Jordan Peterson cult to be coping and seething, but honestly, the vast majority of them are either disappointed in Peterson or just saying they had a fun time listening and agreeing to both guys. Kinda weird.

when did i post anything about my politics faggotnigger?

You're a pleb if you think he's right about everything, and you're a pleb if you think he's a complete idiot. What he is is a psychologist, with a lot of good insights, who has unfortunately been pigeonholed into a role as a political commentator, when that's not really his area of expertise.

The question was about marxism vs capitalism and which ideology/systems are more conducive to happiness.

Zizek focused on reforming capitalism, and explicitly denounced the economic systems inspired by marxism as a better solution to increasing happiness.

You seem to think I'm saying Zizek lost, I'm saying he didn't stick to the debate topic which is how formal debates are supposed to be run. In fact, a formal debate should have a pre polling of sentiment then declare the winner based on shift in sentiment at the end of the night.

>arbitrary rules are OK when i say they are

fuck off

Me too I'm clearly just shitposting, I don't even know if he "lost" since I haven't watched it. That's just a first opinion I have seen and what does that mean? Not much

Meanwhile Zizek's cult is spamming everywhere.

What is this pose called, Yea Forums?

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You obviously haven't read this thread.

>People observing that Jordan Peterson was completely out of his depth and blown the fuck out by a disgusting ESL stroke victim that can't stop sniffing every 5 seconds is people being in a Zizek cult
No one even fucking knows what the fuck Zizek does dude lmao, people are just laughing at Peterson

This thread you brain-dead faggot

left wingers have the biggest chips on their shoulders. Small man complex

Anyone else become a communist now?

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“The kike puppet”

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go back

Not Zizek's cult. At least I'm not. I just find peterson's unintelligentsia following interesting and love watching them expose themselves for not understanding anything he's saying and just supporting him because of memes.

i haven't posted anything about my politics in this thread or on Yea Forums, dishonestnigger. never respond to me again.

Debating lmao. Debate me bro. The point if a debate is to not only make your point but learn from the opposing views which right wingers are not interested in. It also validates their toxic views. Which is why you'll never see AOC debate that goober Ben Shapiro.

Zizek undeniably has a cult, if you didn't know this you need to lurk more.

>implying it wasn't obvious from the start
Zizek was never going to win.

Peterson unironically doesn't know what marxism is. I'm serious.

thank you user

Jared Taylor yeah but Spencer and ((((Enoch)))) are retards.

>semantics, why would anyone take this seriously?

Because it's true.

>Ahh yes the old scientific method- wait...

*Social hierarchies tilt toward tyranny.

>Unfortunately his fanbase in itsself is proof that the latter has very little chance of happening

The "fanbase" we see represented on youtube videos and twitter almost makes me sick enough to want to disassociate myself from him, but I know better. I continue to find him a fascinating commentator in his eccentric but keen interpretations of social dynamics. You can see in his pre-fame lecture videos that his students were genuinely riveted by him, and I think for good reason.

Why are reddit leftists so mentally ill? Zizek spent a good portion of the time shitting on SJWs and LGBTS+ nonsense, trivializing their suicidal existence and they still lap up his saliva?

Are they this desperate to 'win' something that they have to pretend Peterson is talking about revolutionary marxists taking over academia when he's talking about neo-marxists who use race identity almost exclusively?

Someone explain the psychology to me bros...

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Peterson desu

Thats what happens when history and science objectively show your stance to be wrong. Just like anti-vaxxers and other pseudo science false bullshit

Nice ass baby.

I thought there was a chance this post could be brilliant until
>which right wingers

Really disappointing your reasoning is driven by bias rather than clear understanding and healthy distance

>and they still lap up his saliva
I guess they’re going by the old adage of, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”

The fact that Zizek makes both SJWs and /pol/tards seethe is only another plus for him.
>Neo-Marxist
Meaningless boogeyman term that doesn't mean anything. You probably know even less about Marxism than Peterson does.

Maybe not debates but I'm sure you've been involved in petty squabbles with right wings and you had zero interest in learning from their views.

Brainlet thread. Centrist masterrace

Honestly, no one should really know what marxism is besides in the sense of a historical fad that failed. No one should study it beyond that

That's not me, it is just a photo of a woman I found online.

I'm waiting for them to upload the vod of DesTINY's reaction on youtube.

what is /leftypol/ and the dirtbag left...

>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a leftist
>anyone who doesn't agree with me is mentally ill

Pick 1 and only 1.

>Rooting for controlled opposition
>Literally poses in his spirit cooking costume in front of communist paintings

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What is marxism? Please explain it to me.

Centrism is a brainlet position of people who look for the lowest common denominator while pretending to be contrarian and alternative.

I agree, which is also why no one should be using it as a meme term for "SJW I disagree with that is secretly controlling society". It's absurd. /pol/tards are already retarded enough for following this logic anonymously and Jordan Peterson is even dumber for publically endorsing it.

I think this thread perfectly illustrates the left.

A person can 'win' a fight depending on how much they like someone instead of what the people were actually fighting about (if they even fought at all about it).

Relativistic winning is some meme shit. Kind of like how they think Hillary won the election.

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>youtube and twitter

One need only look at the post below yours to realize that is a massive understatement.

Peterstein charged $14.99 for livestream tickets so he won BIGLY and the paypigs that follow him lost.

Me

Now THIS is peak brainlet, and the exact kind of thinking that further divides the people

Marxism is a dead meme and so is Zizek. Really embarrassing that an old man like that still believes in fairy tales.

But hey, at least he got 15 seconds of fame by riding on Peterson's wave, lol.

>Meaningless boogeyman term that doesn't mean anything.

For the hundredth fucking time, it's a re-adaptation of Marx's bourgeois/proletariat dichotomy to white/minority or man/woman or 1%/99%. Neo-marxists represent a resurgence of "class struggle" narratives retrofitted with contemporary themes. It's the same thing.

>he doesn't understand marxism
This is a pretty major criticism when discussing a man that has held multiple talks about Communism/Socialism and the very mindset behind Marxists. Perhaps the people that say it should elaborate more, but the point is quite simple and Peterson shows it off quite often.

What are you trying to say with this quote, poltard

>Hello zoomers
i guess you must be a chad.

It's always funny how Petersen talks about postmodern as a some kind of boogeyman while he's is postmodern era incarnate. A merely ecletic parody of a philisopher who became a thing through the means of mass media.

>A person can 'win' a fight depending on how much they like someone instead of what the people were actually fighting about (if they even fought at all about it).

Literally the same logic the 'right wingers' on /pol/ use every dumb internet debate. There's even people admitting to doing it in this thread.

>I don't understand what a man who blatantly supports modern day witchcraft and communism looks like
Fuck off retard, 100 IQ and above only.

The Pervert's Guide to Ideology is veritable kino

>You're thinking about how much you want to fuck Jordan Peterson aren't you?

>hobo gets BTFO on debate and still defends marxism
>bbut peterson lost!!!
Cope!

That doesn't excuse it you moron.

There is no reason why the middle position between two other positions is supposed to be the logical conclusion to a problem.
>but muh conflict
Played yourself, truly looking for the lowest common denominator because you are afraid of conflict and convictions.

How can you argue for something that has labor theory of value at its core when economists treat labor theory of value as a joke since 1890s?

what do most college professors mean when they say they identify as marxists?

This is like saying 'white nationalism' doesn't exist because there aren't people who are trying to recreate 1930's Germany.

that's not his job, he's an e-celebrity and his job is to milk vulnerable "lost" men for every dollar they have

>two retards convinced hundreds of morons to pay them squabble back and forth
They both won. Everyone in this thread lost.

Do SJWs and LGBTS really like Zizek? I feel like they just tolerate his existence for the most part.

>Peterson says that hierarchies are necessary and efficient, conflict isn’t economic but a result of nature. “You don’t rise to a position of authority in society primarily by exploiting other people.” An outburst of laughter at this.

Is Petersona a jew? How can he say something like this and not be one

My point is it doesn't illustrate shit about the left when the right does it 10x more. I mean we are talking about a party that will vote for an obviously atheist candidate because sky daddy is protecting him since he's on "their side."

The post below mine was a pretty reasonable one. That the left is embracing Zizek again for this after previously condemning him as a regressive pariah just demonstrates how ideologically amorphous they really are. He explicitly stated that he doesn't like them and yet they're championing him as their savior.

Why do people even take soft science and english classes in college. Just fucking learn STEM stuff like a man

Witchcraft is inconsequential hokuspokus, why would I care. And no, he is obviously not a communist, he is just engaging with its aesthetics and roots.

>what do most college professors mean when they say they identify as marxists
Most college professors don't identify as marxists. It's a short lived meme that doesn't reflect reality in any way.

Neo-Marxism or "Social Marxism" is EXACTLY as real and relevant as the "Alt-Right"

Having a healthy distance and not taking this shit too seriously is a good thing user. Being able to criticize or support anything on any side is also preferable. I'm not him btw, and I don't even know if I'm necessarily a centrist.

Its because the left has no brain and they think the right wing people actually idolize peterson. But studies have proven lefties cannot accurately identify right wing beliefs/thought so no surprises here

lol the echo chamber is real

>"But the right is the same!"
>Now they're ten times worse
Just admit that you're controlled by ideology and go back to r/politics.

>dodges the fact that his house if full of communist paintings
You deserve a brainlet, but all I have are NPCs

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Someone needs to do a full transcript of the whole thing. I want to have all the quotable Peterson and Zizek lines for threads like these. The article posted ITT makes it look very promising.

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This. Both are hacks that have convinced legions of man children that they're incredibly learned academics. Jordan for example is a clinical psychologist that specialises in the field of personality, why would you take him seriously on any matter outside that field? His lecture on WWII alone should prove he's not very well read up on any of the things he speaks with such authority about.
All these 'debates' do is generate public interest to help these charlatans get more donations so they can keep spouting inane drivel that doesn't contribute anything new or interesting to the world. All the participants are doing is waiting for a "GOTCHA!" moment so their mouth breathing fans can create REKT BY LOGIC COMPILATION #768. All these people do is blather endlessly about problems that everyone already knows exist yet they'll deliberately offer no viable ways to solve these problems because that would prevent them from earning more money.

Literally anyone could've sat there and spouted the shit they did. Modern debates are nothing more than a show, an act carefully planned out to make sure that both parties can walk away with their respective fans frothing at the mouth over how much their messiah out-logic'd the other and in turn they get to keep cashing in on the desperate retards that borrow talking points from them and pass them off as their own ideas to sound smart.

Chris Angel vs Merlin

a) who cares, and b) why do they bother

imagine your entire fan base and audience consisting of disenfranchised incels

yikes

my dude > your dood

>Literally anyone could've sat there and spouted the shit they did.

There's no shortage of people in the world with an assessment of their own competency utterly divorced from truth.

The "I must read about 1000 books more to even be here" stare.

peterson has 12 thousand citations on google scholar, which is above average for a scientist at his age

You're right that the average leftist SJW is now licking Zizek's boots because he BTFO lobster man, (they literally admit it, pic related) but that isn't me. I appreciate Zizek clowning Peterson around and I appreciate him just as much for making the SJWs seethe. He's very anti-immigration, for example.

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>Centrist masterrace
>"lol lets agree to disagree"
>will take the side of the first wave winners
>get rekt by the counterrevolution purges

>internet leftwingers are just as retarded as internet right wingers
Yea, and water is wet. People who frequent the internet/social media all day are borderline, and regularly mentally ill. People arent very different at the end of the day, despite political differences

I never said they were the same. I said the right does that shit all the time in regards to these stupid debates. Supporting tribalism is actually one of their major stances. It follows they would do it more. You are the one that isn't being impartial.

Of course Zizek is a communist, if it weren't for commies Slovenia would never have been a nation. There was no such thing as Slovenia before Tito. Same as Croatia. The bayonette tip of the Serbian soldier is where the borders of these two faggy nations end today, never forget that faggots. Kosovo is Serbia

Hey no problem with me or polacks. The more people that have to make the binary decision between leftism and nazism the better. America needs to end anyway.

because it's plainly obvious.

CLEAN YOUR ROOM GOYIM

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You are wrong. I stopped giving a shit and it's not healthy. Personal convictions are important, political decisions are important. Sitting on the fence is cowardly and lazy and more often than not that you just don't want engage with a topic on more than a surface level.

Also being right or left leaning doesn't mean that you can't criticze streams within your own political spectrum.

Jesus, reddit faggots are insufferable as fuck.

Thats a lot of potential contributions, so it should be easy for you to provide some.

is your kekistan flag hanging somewhere visible from the doorway to your bedroom, or is it hung more discreetly

>postmodernism denies metanarratives
>marxism is metanarrative
>but i still will call it postmodern marxism because it sounds cool and makes money for me
peterson summarized

Zizek obviously won, just look at the /pol/tards ITT. Desperate damage control, wildly swinging at a wide range of boogeymen. Pathetic.

scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en

my god I didn't think you people actually believed this

That doesn't mean anything. That is just a wishy-washy retort that sounds like it addresses what I said without actually saying anything of merit.

So what, I own Nazi artefacts for aesthetic reasons. Many people do, it doesn't prove anything.

Last night was basically them agreeing with each other on 90% of topics. The only "punch" that was thrown was Zizek asking who are the postmodern marxists, which Peterson both exemplified and clarified that they are neomarxists using postmodernism as a facade. Debates are hardly about winning or losing, and last night was a clear example of that.

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What's a metanarrative?

For the sake of civility I would like to announce to the leftbros that I'm a conservative but I'll never understand why my fellow "conservatives" larp like they financially benefited from 2008 and the system gave them a golden parachute.

zizek is old Yea Forums
peterson is nu Yea Forums

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So you are unable to, okay. Citations =/= actual contributions to humanity

>we wont debate them cause we cant give them a platform!

What is it with internet commies and anthropomorphizing their idols? It's exactly like the retard /pol/posters who post their fucking Hitler with dog photos. No your commie idol isn't a cuddly old man with endearing mannerisms and a lisp, they are intellectually stunted sophist contrarians whose support of a failed ideology necessarily comes with the support of the very worst consequences of it.

You said it with no proof though, you only really said it because you enjoy demonising your opposition because you are a tribalist.

Zizek embarrassed himself and the left. It was honestly funny seeing SJWs sucking up to him like a hero when he doesn't even defend their bullshit, LMAO.

>Personal convictions are important, political decisions are important
Yes but the personal convictions doesn't need to be inherently political even if the political views you hold are the result of them. Political decisions can be made with serious consideration while still holding a distance to them in your everyday life. My points and yours aren't mutually exclusive.

elaborate on your standards for "contributions to humanity" are, so i know where to look when the goalposts recede past the horizon

>Marxism: everything is economics
>Economics: Marxism is stupid
Debate ended, Zizek lost.

>Mops the floor with JP
>Makes SJWs simultaneously seethe and kiss the ground he walks on
>Makes /pol/tards seethe and try to defend JP even though they don't like him to begin with
>Makes JP cultists seethe
>Made unironic kino
>Is a hegelo-lacanian marxist, whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean
>Somehow made more poignant and powerful criticisms against marxism than the faggots like JP and /pol/tards that bitch about it all day and use it as a boogeyman strawman
/our guy/

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zizek is a rambler that is good at poking holes in everything, that's about it

Nah. You got 12000 tries.

you leftyfags are annoying. No one cares about JP besides you guys so you have something to bitch about.

change it as much as you want, still stays the same

>/pol/tards
>supporting Juden Peterstein

>Zizek didn't challenge Peterson on marxism not because Peterson is right, it's just that Zizek is just to smart and polite to school him on the matter!

Peterson has explained in great detail and on countless occasions that he's aware of the comical irony of the conjoinment of these two ideas, and uses the expression deliberately to illustrate radical leftist's cognitive dissonance. His point is that these people subscribe to social constructionist ideology and yet believe that their particular brand of ideology is unassailable.

Zizek obv but the debate was still largely a dumpster fire. It only got good in the 3rd act when Zizek started talking directly to Lobsterman. But the fact that these two are being considered the upmost vanguard of their representative political side and that this was supposed to be a "debate of the century" shows how much of a dumpster fire contemporary intellectual discourse has taken.

MEANWHILE...

OH NO NO NO NO

>yfw you realize why Jordan Peterson is so knowledgeable about trannies

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What the fuck are you talking about? Do you want me to prove conservatives believe in less government now too? Do you want me to prove the generally vote republican? This is fucking childish. Literally just look at the people ITT admitting Peterson won because "fuck communism." Take your confirmation bias goggles off.

>anthropomorphizing their idols
Do you not understand what that word means?

JBP destroyed that cuck lol
can't wait until the sjw rekt compilation vid

Pretty even and surprisingly civil.

Just like us

these

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Do you actively peruse Bolshevik propaganda to plaster every square inch of your house? Do you have an entire wall in your house dedicated to Lenin that you pose in front of in your witchcraft getup?
>Peterson attempts to resolve this inconsistency by framing Socialist Realist works as the site of a mythical battle between the forces of art and ideology: if the best paintings in his collection manage to overcome the status of soulless propaganda, it is because the sheer power of individual artistic creativity has inevitably emerged triumphant to vanquish the bad spectre of communism.

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absolutely based
*sniff*

Mike Enoch literally classify himself as neo nazi, Jared Taylor has said he follows most nazi principals and called for a second holocaust and richard spencer is the white supremacist who disavows neo nazis but wants a racial cleansing and white ethnologist

Exactly. This is why I hate people defending him over his use of the term 'postmodern neomarxist.' He is an academic giving frequent lectures about this shit and is woefully uninformed on the matter, to the point of going on a crusade against a supposed marxist insurgency with the specific intent of undermining western civilization. You're god damn right I'm going to demand he knows what the fuck he's talking about.
JP apologists everywhere, makes me sick. And I'm sure he will be on Joe Rogan soon enough to clarify what it is he meant and deflect the criticisms he's been receiving.

Alejandra Guilmant, that pic is from her Playboy shoot

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Peterson lost, cope harder faggot

That means he loses by default. What a brainlet.

ZAT IS PRECISELY RIGHT *SNIFF*

Just like always, the Slavs win over the Westcucks, destroy yet another attempt of theirs at expanding East, and keep inching their territories closer towards the West.

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>anime shit used to be a right wing thing
DURRRRRRRRR
Anime is a "thing" for people who have no social lives and enjoy rotting their brains with extremism and lack of sunlight. This applies to both right and left-wing online "keyboard warriors".

It's hard to find any values or convictions that are completely unpolitical, because we don't live as hermits, our lives are intertwined and we are thus co-dependent in almost everything. The private life is very much political.

Also this has increasingly less to do with centrism, a position that assumes that the middle ground is by default the logical conclusion.

>>Somehow made more poignant and powerful criticisms against marxism than the faggots like JP and /pol/tards that bitch about it all day and use it as a boogeyman strawman
This is the most important point

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You're insane, you can see how identical you are because of your ideology.

I don't give to shits about any of the sides in this, but if you can't appreciate art for art's sake or understand how/why someone could/would, then you obviously don't belong on Yea Forums. You've exposed yourself.

does this guy only own one suit? LMFAO

None of these people are (neo)nazis sorry

>Exactly. This is why I hate people defending him over his use of the term 'postmodern neomarxist.'

See . You're probably the millionth person to think they finally caught Peterson red-handed with his nonsensical invocation of contradictory ideas, while failing to pay attention to anything he's said on the matter. If you're determined to remain ignorant, don't drag other people down with you.

Yes, this is generally how it works. That's because they don't do it by points nor do they say which arguments won over which.

Damn, commies look like THAT?

This, pretty much. What I find really funny about people saying that Zizek "won" the debate is that both him and Peterson agreed on 90% of the topics at hand. By that logic, if Zizek won, so did Peterson.
The problem is that lefties are so desperate to have a proper leftist intellectual in contemporary times that they are willing to go out of their way to defend Zizek, one of the most anti-leftie leftists I've ever seen, as long as they can later claim that he won when discussing a "right wing" intellectual, which is also fucking stupid because last night debate was clearly not going to about winning or losing the moment they both finished their initial statements. It was just a comfy conversation after that.

Sneed

>Unequivocally shut *the fuck* up.

BACK OFF !!!

*teleports behind you*

eh too easy...

Zizek agreed with Peterson's critique of Marxism and pivoted to 'im a Hegelian sniff.'

Yes, commies aren't human, so to ascribe human characteristics to them requires anthropomorphism.

At best he's a cringy edgelord, at worst he's a communist sympathizer and like to romanticize pure evil. If you don't realize that you're a sub 80 IQ nigger.
>I don't care about anything therefore I win
Congratulations on having no opinions?

why is he so based?

Who won Chuczek or Sneedterson?

Hep B vaccine causes brain damage in rats.

His reply was thorough, nuanced, and well reasoned, whether or not it was correct or you agree with it. Maybe debate and discussion aren't for you.

Actually, the problem is that you keep mistakenly converging the people that are here supporting based Zizek with the SJWs on twitter damage controlling the fact that the only person that BTFO JP is barely a leftist by their standards because he sees PC culture as the farce it is.

>there are people who care about these meme-philosophers
>there are people who look up to them
>there are people who consider them smart
>there are people who consider this as an intellectual debate
This is the 21st century.
Get me the fuck off this planet.

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Slavs always win. Remember that.
Even with inferior resources,
even with inferior technology,
Slavs always manage to fuck your wives and daughters Westcucks.
You will never escape the wrath of the Slav,
for while you call them Slaves in name only,
they make slaves out of your genetics with their seed.
Open wide Westcuck pride.

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Posts like this makes me think Zizek won.

I might become a Communist if I ever see one Communist experiment ever not end in disaster.

I knew a guy called Mark once, pretty cool guy

Your predetermined ideology makes you think that.

Keep in mind Zizek views on western culture and immigration are unacceptable to most modern masochistic leftists today. He'd be sent to the gulag right beside Peterson.

>He admits he's retarded and nonsensical. See? He's self-aware. That means you can't point it out.

Why is Peterson a postmodern? What is postmodernism?

Analia (LOL!) Hounie

I had a friend called Mark when I was a kid. I remember we used to play Lord of the Rings in the backyard with plastic swords.

Go back and kill yourself faggot. I'm talking about art, not politics or ideology. You should go back to where you belong instead of spending your time on Yea Forums.

Truly /our guy/

>centrism, a position that assumes that the middle ground is by default the logical conclusion.

Centrism assumes that neither the doctrines of the right nor the left are completely reliable, and that solutions which effect positive change are generally to be found by incorporating elements of both. It's not about defaults or logical conclusions, it's about compromise.

Anti-centrists like to point to efforts at radical upheavals (civic rights advocacy, women's suffrage) to demonstrate that centrism is wrong, but this only demonstrates that it's wrong on questions of fundamental civil rights. For example, there's no reasonable "centrist" argument on the matter of free expression. When it comes to routine legislative measures, civic infrastructure, and power distribution, centrism is more often than not the more tenable course.

Zizek agreed with some of Patterson's critique of the communist manifesto. Patterson doesn't even know enough about marxism to comment on it in concrete terms(he ONLY read the manifesto) and Zizek pointed it out.

Modernism is 80's and 90's cartoons.
Post-modernism is post-2010 dogshit.

Postmodernism is marxism is communism. Peterstein is controlled opposition. He works for the United Nations for christ's sake.

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does slav mean slave?
kek, that's a rough one

Peterson has a /pol/tard's understanding of what Marxism is. He thinks Marxism is having niggers in your cartoons. He's not intellectually capable of discussing it.

That is not at all what the explanation he gave means and you damn well know it.

It's not rough when a slave is beating your ass and destroying your empire. Then it's a laughingstock for the ones getting cucked by slaves.

>Postmodernism is marxism is communism
Jordan Peterson detected

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>deliberately using an oxymoron that only obfuscates academic discussion
This is a clear and obvious backpedal to justify his use of a nonsense term.
But even if it wasn't, why do you think being intentionally deceptive and confusing is a good idea?

>Even with inferior resources,

Superior ressources and population numbers are literally the only reasons they BTFO the Nazis.

>Art
>A romanticized painting of a man who directly or indirectly killed 60 million people

There's a lot of worse things going on desu. Even if it's a shitshow they try to communicate, or at least hold up the illusion that they care about debate. The things that really bother me is when these types of fanatics decide their position is inviolable/absolute. I'm just here to get them to calm down or leave my board.

Why reply to an obvious troll? Also I think Peterson already knew Marxism is not postmodernism before the debate. It's only his neo-marxist crap that goes there.

the bear's been dead for years, kyke

Jungian philosophy is pretty postmodern. An interpretation of archetypes as malleable and not concrete is fairly postmodern.

I am 90 minutes in an Zizek is still rambling as usual. When does he actually BTFO Peterson? He didn't even address him so far.

Seriously, go back. That user destroyed your anus and you still can't stop it. You don't belong here brainlet.

The French too.
The Mongol Empire too while China was cowering behind a great wall.
The Ottomans from the inside too.
The Romans when they were pissing them off.
Cucked the Americans out of having China as a potential ally in Asia by infecting them with Communism.
Cucked the West out of Central and South America and also good parts of Africa while doing the same.
Cucked the West with Trump.
Cucking the West all night and all day.

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You're probably less than an hour in. An hour from the start of the debate is when they actually start talking with each other. No idea who decided they each needed to have 30 minute introductions, but it only makes it all the funnier because they talked about completely different things than each other that had nothing to do with the subject. Pure kino.

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>But even if it wasn't, why do you think being intentionally deceptive and confusing is a good idea?

It's not, and he isn't intentionally deceptive or confusing. In practically every instance where he's invoked the term he's added a disclaimer that he realizes the contradiction and elaborates on his reasons for incorporating the terms together. People willfully ignore or side-step the point because they're looking for cheap shortcuts out of addressing the litany of arguments he presents on an exhaustive range of subjects. They want reasons to unilaterally dismiss him in a single gesture, because they're lazy and don't have the energy to maintain a lengthy conversation about anything.

3rd act somewhere he turns and starts talking to him. Then sits down and talks to him some more.

>Peterson says that hierarchies are necessary and efficient, conflict isn’t economic but a result of nature.
was Zizek actually trying to argue against this? wtf

>y-you don't know my special snowflake definition of Marxism. I win! :^)
The political left - 2019

He doesn't 'BTFO' him as a whole but there are definitely some moments like the last few minutes of his first reply and later confronting him about Peterson's lack of basic understanding and knowledge of Marxism('read a book retard') when they are sitting down. I think there's also the "SHOW ME THE MARXISTS" in the same answer.

Nice samefag

Friendly reminder

twitter.com/HOSTAGEKlLLER/status/1119367322379202562

>haha just turn your brain off bro

>Zizek: where are the Marxists? I think you're making it up and there aren't any. Where is your data that says they even exist?
>Peterson: recent survey data says 25% of university professors self-identify as Marxists.
>Zizek: Ah, hmm, yes here are the names of some Marxists I know personally...
Lol? Zizek BTFO himself in that clip. What in your mind makes you think Peterson came out looking bad?

>neo-marxism isn't marxism therefore it's not postmodernism even though it's literally just postmodernism turned up to 10
mcfuckingkillyourself

>still wins

>Marxism is definitely the thing where you have the woman from Frozen not kissing a man in the cartoon movie
>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT MARXISM? OH, SO I'M THE ONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW DEFINITIONS AROUND HERE!?
I am not being hyperbolic. Jordan Peterson actually made this connection.

Debates in general are peak midwit.
Hasn't been a good one since the disputatios of Duns Scot 700 years ago.

Can you point me to it? Im serious
Because I've watched his lectures on 'postmodern philosophers' and I can't find this
Furthermore, does he point out the people specifically that he sees doing this? Because the last guy I argued with about this said he didn't need to, its a cultural movement and should be obvious
It looks to me that once again JP supporters keep side stepping, just like he does. He keeps his shit vague enough so that when called out he can do just what you are doing now.
Its completely dishonest

>anyone posting in this thread or even alive for that matter has experienced laissez faire capitalism

cope

Yes. It was pretty obvious he had little idea of what Zizek is and says. He seemed genuinely surprised by a lot of the stuff he said, called him a really weird marxist and all that.

>wash your asshole man loses after preparing for a day
What a shock

>There can't be two different people on a board about film that value art and are sick of politics and ideologies
>Two people who just want to enjoy art without having a bunch of polfags, leftypolfags and r*dditors invade every time something happens
I know you won't believe me, but we are two different people.

So, Jordan Peterson is just /pol/?

>no he totally does know what he's talking about, its everyone else thats confused even though literally no one has ever called themselves a postmodern neomarxist
Why cant I hold all this double think

When it comes to the definition of marxism, very much so, yes.
The part where Jordan Peterson and /pol/ diverge is that /pol/ "names the Jew" and JP doesn't.

It's cultural Marxism. Taking Marxist class struggle and applying to everything.
>gender is now a class struggle, so man kissing woman is bad. Woman should be strong and independent, and not submit to her oppressor.