If Control died when Leland died, why even jump into the future? Why did no one rebuild the Discovery after it jumped...

Given the studio mandated law of "you must use Michael 'Mary Sue' Burnham"... basically removing her from time is just about as good as you can salvage STD.

I just wish Season 2 was actually Season 1.

Oops! Thought it was an Orville thread, I'll see myself out.

How has television gotten so dogshit even though production values have only increased?

>If Control died when Leland died, why even jump into the future?
In-universe, because they still had to remove the sphere data from the time period as it could still be a threat in the wrong hands, and also to complete the time loop with the seven signals (the final two being a guide into the wormhole and a signal they'd made it once through). Obviously the behind the scenes reason is they're bowing to the Midnights Edge hate mob that the show wasn't set in the future, so they're just using any excuse possible to move Discovery from the 23rd to the 33rd century.

>Why did no one rebuild the Discovery after it jumped?
Participants in the Control Battle lied that Discovery blew up due to a Spore malfunction. To Starfleet, they now have 2/2 ships with Spore drives that catastrophically failed, and also evidence that its use damages life forms in the spore network, which is a prime directive violation. So it gets shuttered.

> If the Federation-Klingon Alliance starts because of the liberal Klingon chancellor lady, why is there still a cold war in Kirk's time?
The only alliance is one of necessity, because they convinced L'Rell that Control would wipe out all sentient life, not just humans. Their combined effort was solely to eliminate that threat - by the way, its a Federation-started threat given Section 31 is their agency. The Klingons wouldn't be too keen to trust the Federation after they can't even keep their own house in order.

>Why even bother lying to Starfleet about sending Discovery into the future?
The whole sequence of events was due to time travel, Spock cites a regulation prohibiting officers from participating in historical events. They want to make sure no similar scenario ever arises again - the time suit, Discovery, Control, all of it has to be classified.

>Holograms
Enterprise had actual holodecks yet nobody complained. It's a dramatic tool so that they can have actors in the same room communicating rather than over some screen.

>Enterprise had actual holodecks
what's the point of being so intellectually dishonest?

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why is warewolf in Starfleet and where is his godamn uniform?

The way it seems, the season finale could have been the end of the series right there.

I am curious about what they are going to do for season 3? Michael Burnam on the Discovery 900 years in the future, since Control is gone...life exists there...but they are not kind to Discovery...and it's like how Voyager should have been. Discovery is limping along, and the crew has to salvage material to keep the ship together. Saru has to make questionable decisions just to keep his skeleton crew alive.

What if they shift focus and make it a Pike series on The Enterprise and Discovery just becomes a name. Michael is gone forever and Discovery has been erased from history as well as shroom warping. Michael's mutiny was already erased from history. I liked Pike in this season....reminded me of Sisko...but more level headed.

I want to tongue punch Tilly's fart box.

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Enjoyable finale with some amazing action for a TV show, but as is standard with Discovery, not a lot made sense. The real issues:

>They built the Red Angel suit in an hour and gave it the capability to wipe out all the Ba'ul defences somehow? Since that was Michael
>Still no explanation about the Red Signal concept. Pike says Starfleet picked up seven signals, but then they can only find them one at a time as they're 'revealed'? What sense does that make?
>Whatever they made that blast door that protected Pike from a torpedo 6 feet away from him - can they just build the ship out of that?
>Why couldn't one of the R2 units pulled the switch?

again, why are you being intellectually dishonest?
you know that no one is mad at the holograms in discovery simply because holograms shouldn't exist at all, but because Starfleet specifically shouldn't have them yet and especially not as common ship equipment
so you not only made the original post knowing this, but responded with the image as well
the only alternative is you are genuinely misinformed about the hologram complaint, in which case I wonder if anything in your post comes from an informed perspective

The point was removing the data not getting rid of control

The point is Star Trek has anachronistic technology in all of its prequels, and the point of the holograms wasn't to just violate canon, it was to try and make ship-to-ship communications more engaging and dramatic, which is a fair trade off. You flipping out and getting autistic over someone pointing this out and screaming 'intellectual dishonesty' only outs yourself as a brainlet Pakled.

>The point is Star Trek has anachronistic technology in all of its prequels
but you didn't show that, that's the intellectual dishonestly I'm talking about
aliens have superior technology to starfleet all the time, aliens in a prequel series with technology that starfleet only gets later isn't any kind of continuity error

Dude, the show was literally using phase cannons and photon torpedos when it had been established it should have been using lasers and atom weapons.They had Phlox figure out a way to beat the Borg centuries before they should.

you're right, but old mistakes and shitty retcons don't mean that new ones are less annoying

The Borg is always a mess.
The concept would make them unstoppable so they have to make up some bullshit for how anyone even survives let alone defeat them and they have to make up a new way every time because of the Borg adapting (though normal phasers work twice every time they are encountered before they adapt for some reason).

ok so to power the time suit they need to use up the spore drive power for some time. but it's already established that the spore drive can go ANYWHERE in the galaxy. why not just go to super far deep space? far enough that it would take a decade for control to get there, power up the suit, then do the thing without risking everyone's life?

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the writers strike destroyed the screenwriters guild completely.

If the are capable of having some form of personal energy shield that only allows a couple hits of a phaser in the specific frequency of wavelengths at the strength a hand held phaser allows then it would make sense that they can only adapt within a certain range of frequencies at any given time.

So the lose a few drones and then have complete weapons overmatch on any space faring race.

The obvious solution for Starfleet is to start supplying their crews and marines with phasers that fire at a much higher power so that it overcomes the resistance of the shield regardless of the frequencies that it has adjusted too.

But that would require a few minutes thinking in depth about the concept and long term story planning.

The teralysium episode had them jumping to a completely different galaxy and they further establish that people were fine there 900 years later when control was supposed to have exterminated all life in the galaxy.

So long story short, the writers are legitimate morons.

Holy shit this looks bad. It looks like some fans got together and did some shitty cosplay.

according to memory alpha terralysium is "only" 50,000 light years away in the beta quadrant. so, control would only need a couple decades to get there. they know it's safe, and it didn't seem like getting there took a lot of power since they were only on the planet for what seems like a day or so before sporing out. sure it would have been boring watching them just basically plug in the suit and watch the battery meter rise while nothing is going on but it made sense

what they should have done is
>"oh if we have the warp cores of 30 ships to replicate the supernova"
>"where do we get that many ships to give up their warp cores"
>"we take them, from control"

Foreigner here, details?
I only know that the 1sr season TNG clusterfuck was because of that.

It's not that complicated for the Klingons to start a war. Or two.

I wanted a Star Trek sequel series from Day 1. It looks like I got my wish, I just took two seasons to get there.

Season 3 could involve:
> an 1000ish year old ship trying to survive in the future... it's like a pre-ship of the line sail ship going up against a nuclear carrier
> that far in the future means the writers finally have a clean slate to write new shit without worrying (much) about canon violations
> hell, it may force a new series written immediately post-Voyager (ie 25th century) to adhere to IT'S canon! Take THAT canon nerds!
> seriously tho, the discovery is on the losing end with backwards tech, except for a working spore drive that the galaxy hasn't seen in hundreds of years.

To me, STD hasn't been proper trek until this moment in time. I just hope they didn't fuck it up.

You give them credit when none is due.

>I just hope they didn't fuck it up.
And after all, they haven't done anything at all to suggest that they'll fuck it up.

>why is there still a cold war in Kirk's time
Neither season is in the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voy timeline

Also, if they couldn't blow up the Discovery remotely because it raised its shields, why couldn't they just set a bomb next to the warp core or something similar? Why did the sphere data allow crew back aboard and not jump into warp to try to run after what happened?

>The way it seems, the season finale could have been the end of the series right there.
It was originally planned to be

hail the bastards

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It is, Midnight Edge's theory got blown out when they directly included footage from the Cage in Season 2. Discovery is in continuity with the rest of the tv series.

Of course, you can still say its doing a terrible job of that, but it's meant to be part of that timeline as much as anything else.

One scene from TOS doesn't make it canon any more than using Pike or Spock does. The fans have rejected it. CBS can claim whatever they want but at the end of the day if the fans hate it, CBS is destroying what should be their cash cow by way of burning bridges with the people who spends tens of billions on merch.

My dude, fans hated Last Jedi but it's still canon and was intended to be canon. Fans hated Iron Man 3 but it still happened. Fans don't get to dictate what is and isn't canon, but they do have an influence on where the franchises go in the future - which is why the massive course correct for Discovery and the setup for a Pike show.

Don't let conspiracyfags on YouTube lie to you about secret licensing deals or contracts for views, just like what you want and hate what you want and don't look for excuses.

Star Trek has the luxury of alternate timelines. Fans have already shoved STD into one and nothing on YouTube had anything to do with it. The show is shit. No one cares about it.

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