Magicians season Finale

make IRL friends if you want to hold people hostage in conversations about shit you like, faggot

whyd you join the thread to say that?

yes exactly

I fucking love The Magicians, it's the comfiest show on TV right now. By a mile.

why did they scrub all of the terror twins videos off the internet?

bump for tiddies
someone pls post her tiddies if available

thanks in advance for the tiddieposter

Next time just post a gif and your only text should be "MOMMY" or "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

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no idea been looking for them too

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shame they kept her wrapped up in a prison jumpsuit half the season.

*ahem*

MWAAH *POP*
MWAAH *POP*
MWAAH *POP*

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Is true? Please tell me they killed off that faggot Quentin. I couldn't watch past S1 because of him.

>television actress
>sexy with big gazongas

>film actresses
>sticks with manfaces

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Quentin’s sacrifice is quite possibly one of the most moving things I’ve seen in a network show in years.

Fucking amazing.

I want the Mr. Skin profile header to be the default response any time someone asks for an actresses name.

what a selfish cunt. i hope she dies.

No Quentin, no watch.

it tells you everything you need to know at a glance

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wtf I love brie larson now

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it was surprisingly well done, and not just hey let's kill a main character for shock value, like so many shows do since GoT got popular.

God just look at those big fat fucking tits. I would have her lean into me as I stood behind her, underhand pawing and groping at them until my dick was so stiff it would ache. After that I would lay her on her back and squeeze them together and let them fall, over and over again, drinking in the soft, squishy physics of her delicious sweater puppets as they rise and fall. By now I would have a solid bead of pre oozing from my diamond dick, and I would hammer it on top of her cleavage no more than thrice to brick some hot gooey ropes that would run down the full curve of her breast and down into her crotch. Afterwards we would watch kino until the cum dried, I wouldn't let her clean it up.

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left or right Yea Forums?

Would Diana Prince, the current Joe Bob Briggs mailgirl, count since the show is on Shudder?

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>I couldn't watch past S1 because of him.
I didn't drop the show after season 1 only because i started watching it mid season 2 so i din't had to wait for more. Trust me it got A LOT better after season 1, absolutely worth the watch.

>Its the most underrated show on Yea Forums and you guys arent watching.
Outlander, The 100, My Brilliant Friend...

There used to be a decent amount of Magicians threads last year, but it's getting swamped by the GoT and Avengers threads shitting up the catalog. Just wait until they pass and you'll get a lot of discussion

The show should have ended at the third season. The whole last season, and the upcoming one, are shit they've written for television that have nothing to do with the books. Its obvious they're just keeping it going for the ad revenue. Should have ended with the death of Ember and Umber and Julia becoming a demigod. Its also going to be hard to stick to the book ending with Quentin dead.

Left with right's facial expression

Here you go boys

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>does anybody want to fawn over bitches from this show with me guise?
>g-guise?
Kys already you mewing eunuch.

only a woman types like this

It was beautiful.

same for this

Despite what they claim, discord trannies will never become women, though they sure try to act like roasties.

I'm not caught up so I can't participate, but, while I enjoy the show and love some of the style production values they've come up with, they are seriously out of control. It's black gay trannies out of every orifice with this show. Makes it really hard to see past its faults to the good stuff and maintain enthusiasm for the show.

>0.000000001% of people
>trannies are everywhere!
go outside once in a while you sperg.

And only other beta males whiteknight for fawning faggots like the OP.

Quit fawning over bitches, and slap the shit out of your friends that do. YOU are worth more than THEY are....faggot.

bogged af

tits

BTW - that song was:

youtu.be/reDTxvuj7UQ

She looked better when she was still doing porn.

I'd still hit it though. I like my bimbos

Honk honk!

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Haven't seen the TV show but I read the first two books about 7/8 year ago - did they keep the furry shit? Ruined the ending of the second book for me to be honest.

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Based

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They killed Q off because they do not want a straight white male lead anymore

The bitch from supernatural producer sera gamble literally said that shit.

The main pov for the book series was killed off to make room for more fagshit so yeah..

I'm treating season 4 as series finale.

And with syfy usually cancelling even their decent shows in season 5, this show is running on life support now.

I agree even if I think killing a main character is essentially the end of the show. Would have been a stellar series finale.

>more fagshit
Who cares as long as we get more Margot? Besides, the show still has Based Josh.

> Q

> Straight

I would say more about 99% when dealing with posters using words like "eunuch", "beta male" and "sperg" unironically. But please, do continue to prove my assumption with your triggered tranny vocabulary.

This show sucks.

The only good thing is that blonde lady's tits.

i wonder how celebrated tits were in ancient civilization, like the greco-roman period

Get them out.
NOW.

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this man administers red pills
he fights for your freedom

It's only *very* loosely based on the books. I actually much prefer this story to the books.

>Please tell me they killed off that faggot Quentin
I loved quentin, but yes, hes dead. like obliterated dead but then again he has died 41 times

>Based Josh.

Who is ourguy? besides this chef jew.

Also based Todd

>They killed Q off because they do not want a straight white male lead anymore

I doubt this is actually the reason, even though it was stated in the dead penny promotion episode

Its a good way to appreciate other characters though. Its like killing ned stark. the show didnt end there, so we have two more good seasons.

lmao even that queer enjoys perfect titties

>This show sucks.

but youre wrong. its actually pretty comfy and enjoyable. they do have cringey musical eps. My only issue is the gay shipping of elliot and q, which has only ever occured under the influence o magic

>dat seething asian

Cracks me up every time. Naked, seething jealousy.

>queer

Hes married to that chick from Marvelous Mrs Maisel.

vulture.com/2019/04/the-magicians-finale-death.html

Literally rape

it was very emotional, the empathy that poured out was overwhelming

>jon snow is dead for good

minor mending, RIP

>Would have been a stellar series finale.

I was thinking this. We have a legit seres finale there, but they unironically created an EU for the magicians by killing quentin withcharacters we can follow. Thinking about quentin was a crutch and needed to be a side character at some point. Having everyone revolve around him seems kinda contrived past a certain point in a multiverse setting.

We dont actually know where quentin went on the metro. He did just enter the realm of Elder gods and ate the portal cake. Also there are other timelines where he had to have branched out. Quentin told alice what would happen in the past, and we dont know for sure if she erased her memory and changed things.

how did they make Penny 40 become so kino, while penny 23 is twice as likable

mfw he's actually dead, I thouhgt he was gonna finally fix everything so that he could just go back to school and bang big tiddy waifu

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tfw not sure if I want to read the second book or watch the show first

it sounds more interesting than the first but the show has titties

>the old gods, nobody cares
>the cool old gods office? Nobody cares
>the sister? Who cares
>reunion with elliot? Who cares
>the hedges plot? Nobody cares
>fillory now? Whatever
>all those loose plots
>nah lets just kill off the white male because hes evil even though hes an inspiring and amazing LGBT character that's done perfectly
>haha white man ebil!!
I hate leftists so much.

He's kicked off the show, the bitch writer literally wrote him out of it. Nothing revolving him is going to get settled. Also this writer didn't write the characters at all. They are an amazing cast and extremely talented and enjoy their show they are on. Now? They are probably gonna lose half or more of them for kicking Q off without telling anyone. Nope, white man evil

>so that he could just go back to school and bang big tiddy waifu

The books end with he and Alice create their own Fillory like world and ride off together into the sunset on the back of that tall horse

He becomes a god, fixes fillory with julia, and creates his own bridge world that is as large as fillory itself, with alice finally getting her cozy horse.

It wasn't a great ending, the series needed a fourth book but jesus what we got was better than this

look at those jugs

>mfw sera thinking she's based enough to hide Q's fate from the rest of the cast until last monday
didn't she fuck up the supernatural show too?

According to the show runners and Q's actor himself, the doorway in the underworld he goes through was supposed to be the same one he spends years trying to make in the books. Where he moves on to is supposed to connect to Fillory, which is how he came back to life in the dummy scripts. Apparently the place you move on to in the underworld is wherever you want.

She did, she was a showrunner for 1 and a 1/2 season before her job got taken over by someone else. she influenced season 6/7 of supernatural, arguably the worst season by a mile

Literally all they had to do was make Q, Elliot, and Alice in a poly relationship with each other.

is this late night softcore from the late 90s-early 2000s?

Yes, she ruins and destroys everything she touches because shes a disgusting diversity hire and fucking destroys.

The entire cast was told that he was going to be returning. The day of they were all told he was dead for good. They even shot a bunch of scenes they just edited out entirely in the end. The entire episode was batshit insane and rushed to fuck in so many ways that made 0 sense. It was clear they just removed the parts that didnt fit their "white man evil" narrative and replaced it with "haha no more white men!!" when they already did an amazing and i'll be honest, perfect job making Q not the total focus and showing that he isnt some literal gary stu. Nope they threw it all the fuck away over literal mind-virus tier bullshit. This woman needs to be taken out back and fired; from her job.

I know. That's why I said they were all told that he was supposed to be revived by going through the door (which is a pocket world) and being found alive and well on fillory.

Well its been 300 years, are Josh and Finn dead too? God fuck this show now. I am angry about it.

I hope that still happens and he's the "dark lord" or whatever, and he's just been running Fillory for 300 years whilst pretending to be Darth Vader or something.

I know they wanted the ending to be moving but honestly it felt..weird..

Why are they singing some ode after quentin is dead.. and julia...

all I can say is wtf was that ending. The campfire singing tonally felt just wrong.

is q dead for real or what?

Gone and not coming back.

can't. He's literally written off the show.
are you retarded? (you)
It was chopped up and edited poorly

Probably not.
I really hope not, I ship him hard with Alice. I find them really endearing.

They were cursed, so no.

He's confirmed to be permanently written off the show by everyone involved.

cursed by what? They were overthrown

It doesn't say with what curse they're under, but the Dark Lord is the one who cursed them and overthrew the kingdom 300 years ago. Go rewatch the last bit with the pumpkin farmers. Honestly would have let out a massive laugh had they been melon farmers.

Nice trips

To be honest I always take it with a big pinch of salt when a show tries really hard to convince the audience that someone's not coming back. Especially in a show like this.

As far as exits go if this is it for Quentin then I won't be mad, but as someone who likes his character if he came back in a season or so I'd be pretty happy about it. I do think that after such an exit he needs to be dead for a while so the impact isn't lost but they visit other worlds and realms all the time so not seeing him at some point would have to be really deliberate on the writers parts. And if the figures suffer with his absence they'll definitely bring him back through the power of "network mandate".

They entire cast is pissed as fuck and 9/10th of the normos who watch this show are pissed about Q and the reasoning. This show isnt gonna last a 5th season.

No they won't, Syfy cancels almost all their shows by season 5 so next season will most likely be the last just because of cost alone

Booobs!!!!

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This is for reference, look at syfy's lineup for the last 5 to 7 years. You're going to see a pattern real quick.

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ITT: not nearly enough titfreaks

what's the story like now? They've gone off the books already

the guy who plays Penny was pretty chill on twitter after the show, not sure about the rest. Jason Ralph had a canned 'thanks for everything' statement

Maybe I over thought it but I thought it tied in to this kind of long running (like since first season) theme of Q "isn't the main character in some story and what they go through isn't some story where things just work out in the end".

Like once the mirror broke I was like

>OH...minor mending

When penny saw someone down in the underworld it kinda gave it away at that point too

Is that how it happens in the book?
Or are they just gonna pull Quentin from another timeline next season?

He's out of contract and written off the show bud, he's done. period. And show's on syfy don't go past season 5, so no.

This season was entirely made up for the show. The big bad at the end of the books is Reynard. So go from his resolution in the show and you'll see how much of this has been them just stretching things out.

This show is the most degenerate and boring shit I've ever seen. Literally can't believe anyone in their right mind can like this shit
Cons:
fags everywhere
trannies
polyamorous "relationships"
everyone's a cunt who does drugs and fucks anything that moves
bestiality
pedofiles
alcoholic dean
they betray each other constantly, cheat on each other constantly and make the worst decisions constantly
abortion propaganda
muh strong women everywhere
feminist characters that unironically say things like mansplaining, white protagonist syndrome, etc
except for the indian dude not a single likable character
Stupid story-line
Pros:
that blonde lady has nice tits
Nice magic effects
The beast looked bad-ass

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That was the episode before, right? At that point I was thinking Julia or Elliot. Like honest to God, kind of hoping Julia because I'm so sick of her being the "surprise" badguy/asshole EVERY season. I'm glad her possession thing didn't last that long but still when she was evil monster god I just couldn't care any less and was just thinking fuck it, kill her. She cute but kill her.

She being a monster didnt matter and none of it mattered. Literally they didnt do anything with any of it.

Fuck the tall flaming homosexual. Fuck the latina slut. Fuck the emo who can't act and fuck the forgettable whore I'm supposed to care about.
Fuck this shit show.
>magic is dead because random god took a shit in the magic well xD
Also fuck your reddit humor show

I randomly saw her on the scifi channel and had to google who it was, didn't surprise me to see it was green dress girl

>She being a monster didnt matter and none of it mattered.

Very true.
In fact most of the end felt rushed.

have sex

don't forget depressed lgb characters that find solace after sacrificing themselves

Hey now, to be fair, this show is the only one that made me like a gay relationship. The way they handled Q and Eliot was great.

That shit was so forced.

>we're going to trap you in a puzzle for hundreds of years so you have to be gay because hes the only other thing around to fuck

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more believable than Q and Alice

>2019
>men and women together is unbelievable

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when you can find someone to spend your life with and actually make it work without killing each other, its something special

Dude, even with the puzzle they weren't gay with eachother in a sexual sense. They loved each other.

>Outlander
cmon, it's a show for women about cucking through space and time

>you have to be gay because hes the only other thing around to fuck
Except that he had a wife and children.

A lot of it is historical stuff to be fair.

What's it like being too much of a brainlet to understand what was literally spelled out in the episode you claimed to watch?

q. dangerous

Sounds like most people on earth

sounds like Yea Forums

Is the real Penny coming back or are we stuck with knockoff Penny forever?

Considering that "real" Penny is the 40th version and a "knockoff" is 23rd, i would say that "knockoff" version is more real Penny than "real" Penny.

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doubt any of the cast will be around the con tours this year after the BuryYourGay, queer-baiting, and suicide glorifying the fans are furious over

Well, "our" Penny then instead of some other timeline's Penny. Specially since I'm assuming we're gonna get time fuckery next season since I'm assuming that's how they'll fix the Fen and Josh situation, in turn allowing them to bring back Quentin and Penny.

Penny 40 died, he's in the underworld working his million year librarian contract. Penny 23 is what we have now

This. Neither Penny 40 nor Q are coming back.

penny is still the same actor. The actor who played Q is written off the story entirely. There is no more Q, there is no more actor. How is this hard to get?

based

Not him, but i think they still have enough time to course correct before the next season. Probably wont happen, but you never know.

hell be back

>if the pic you selected is a landscape (don't ask why, it never worked
kek i wanna try this. or at least i would if i wasn't too much of a pussy to make threads here

Considering this is the same network that pulled the
>YOU GUYS, STARBUCK IS TOTALLY 100% DEAD FOR REALSIES PLEASE BELIEVE US SACKHOFF IS DEFINITELY NOT COMING BACK
card, you can see why I'm a little doubtful.

that don't mean nothing! them fags be just like that, too

This season finale kinda felt rushed and dead ended a good bit of plot lines it felt like it had been setting up all season but Quentin dying was done wonderfully.

>inb4 no matter what the Magicians will suffer the Syfy curse and be cancelled next season

I saw up to whenever Minerva died? And when Margo and Elliot were running Filliory.

I dropped it when I realised I didn't care about any of it.

Does it get any better?

technically he might for flashbacks or something, but the interviews have said he's formally left the show, ie not a regular for show-credit purposes

It's entirely possible they'll attempt the Jon Snow shit, either purposely or due to backlash.
>he dead for real, the actor has went home and everything
>for real guys
>said actor does a few odd jobs
>suddenly is in hiding on the set of the show he was written out of
>omg Jon snow is back
In hindsight they could probably pull it off better since the magicians set wouldnt have people going full retard watching the set at all times like they did for GoT looking for said actor.

It's hit and miss. But there isn't 'adult' if you consider this adult hahah magic series out there. So this is the best you got. CGI is also not terrible. So you get all the modern politics you never asked for and a okayly written package with nice visuals.

If you don't care for it, then there really isn't a reason to watch other than there isn't magic based shows that aren't fucking retarded in terms of world building, plot and characters. Magicians isn't perfect but at least it's okay. And in this day and age that's hard to find. I am just happy expanse is coming soon

I never give a fuck about Q, too much of a whiny bitch. They can do away with the hedge witch bitch too.

I watched this thinking it would be what asoiaf/got is (or set out to be before it went full retard) to fantasy for magic.

It starts off strong and I liked Julia and the hedge plot line but the fillory stuff drags and the show jumps the shark when q cheats with margo and elliot so the blonde girl cheats with the indian guy.

I didn't like the lol gay characters, lol sex reference, lol poo, lol characters can pull stuff out of their arses.

It really annoyed me after a while that it just could not stay serious and it treated the adult stuff like a child would.

Minerva was the best character and plot and it goes no where once she dies.

Q wont be back, here's Olivia's latest tweet
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>but the fillory stuff drags and the show jumps the shark when q cheats with margo and elliot so the blonde girl cheats with the indian guy.
Except that's exactly what happens in the books, but with a fuckton more hard drugs. Also, Alice sits there and watches the whole fucking thing, and Penny is also a fatass. She fucks him just to spite Q and hurt him.

>It really annoyed me after a while that it just could not stay serious and it treated the adult stuff like a child would
Just like how the books do!

Don't you mean series finale?

I don't think this show is getting renewed desu.

Not an excuse, I haven't read the books but if the stories the same, I still don't like it.
Alice doesn't seem to be the time to spite someone.

If the books aren't serious, I won't bother reading them, thanks user.

yeah I am with you. thanks for being articulate for me fag, but, on another topic does anyone notice how every resolution to every problem is pulled from some random ether of random bs solutions that are suddenly possible?
I am not asking for a hard magic system. I mean look at earthsea or lotr, how they can do whatever and it doesn't feel like an asspull here alternatively there is nothing that doesn't feel like an asspull. I am not sure how they maanage to resolve 50% of the conflicts in a way that seems nearly absurd. I mean that's the show, you get kinda used to it. But it's fucked

Syfy renewed it for a 5th season

variety.com/2019/tv/news/the-magicians-season-5-renewal-syfy-1203114247/

For it's last season

I sort of allude to it but you are right, there are no consequences, the characters never really grow as people.

>julia betrays them
>oh no
>she betrays them again

It's because magic is used as a crutch and every writer uses it as such.
You cannot tell an effective story with magic in without nerfing the magic.

I'd agree, esp when the fans drop it like a rock

Can someone tell me how important Quentin is in the books? How can they remedy his death when the actor left the show?

Also why the fuck did Fillory time jump 300 years?

not just that, Syfy hasn't renewed a show over season 5 barrier in almost ten years now. The last show was Stargate SG1

they're way past where the books ended, they're a season in where he had already become a god and fucked off.

They did a spiritual analogy to the books in that he sacrificed for the world and his loves just like he did in the book. He got a worst ending but he still had a lot of similar story beats.

That coupled with no show going over season 5 means he got out just in time.

Quentin is thee protagonist, period. Julia takes over half way in second book and its a blend of pov's in book 3. all the stories are heavily tied to Q though, Julia, Alice and others.

so Q becomes a god in the books? how?

my favorite character is Julia and I wanted her to be a goddess again and I'm sad some brown guy just decided it was best for her to become human again.

Who is that?

It's a terrible show, though.

I kinda want to get into this show but I can't like the washed out visuals or the fucking trash special effects. Like god, the special effects are fucking bad, even for tv shit.

curseth be the guy who gets to tittay fuck this godess of all bosoms

He finishes off the old care takers of fillory and like the tv show, absorbs their power, filling their void briefly and takes on godhead or apotheosis, using his 'minor mending' but with god power behind it to rebuild and fix fillory, sort of an ode to his love of the world and what it gave him, he saves that world and realizes after a certain point that level of power corrupts, so he gives up the power back to fillory and Julia meets him, she had helped fix the other side of fillory and basically was there supporting him in building it.

I personally always felt there was space for a fourth book but my bias is against her remaining a monster in the books versus human and clearly some of writers on show felt the same way but how they handled it was..terrible.

a mangled journey. If she does become a goddess her story is effectively over again.

The first thing Quentin creates in the book prime universe is a sword, instead of his fillory castle made from cards. He creates a god killing weapon as his ultimate magic expression.

He recreates that sword out of nothing in the last book.

goddamn titties are cool

If you read the books, you aren't going to like the show.

That ending was fucking terrible. The season finale is usually rushed and filled with sudden exposition to wrap things up but this was ridiculous. There was no payoff.

Quentin spends all season trying to rescue Eliot, and they rescue him but Quentin never says a fucking word or looks at him or anything.

Eliot takes back control of his body from confronting his rejection of Quentin, never gets to say jackshit to Quentin and resolve their feelings for each other.

Monster's sister comes back for all of 3 minutes of screentime and gets taken out by axes that can somehow hurt a fucking multipowered god.

Hedges follow Kady for nothing considering all she does it map out the pipes and sell out one of their own, and just do magic without ever stopping the Library or the Serpent guy. How did they even keep the incorporate bond magic going when Quentin was in the mirror world anyway?

Scroll to the Old Gods just has some middle man who drops a new previously unknown way to trap the Monster and his sister.

Everett gets all that magic early and doesn't do jackshit with it, his book said he'd become a god but even if Quentin defied that, Everett should've been powerful just from that all that magic to survive anyway.

Penny23 makes Julia mortal just because he's still in love with his timeline's Julia and no one finds that fucked up. She even gets told it's her choice and they immediately have Penny choose. And they're obviously gonna be together next season. Why wasn't Quentin the one asked if Julia couldn't decide? Why didn't Penny incept her to get her choice?

And Quentin finds how much he impacted people after sacrificing himself, which is a terrible thing to do with a suicidal person.

And how the fuck is Alice qualified to head the library? Why not Harriet?

They could've had a perfect set up to do a take on book 3 where the Monsters or Everett attack the Old Gods and sets off a war that drags earth into it and results in Fillory dying off, but no

I didn't like the first book at all btw but focusing on julia in the second book sounded more interesting

sounds like half of it is quentin's pov though so I'm not bothering

are you still here fren?

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And calling it, Dark King is Plover. Dude was trapped for weeks in the Poison Room where he can learn all sorts of forbidden magic. Last we saw he was in Fillory and as a an immortal human he could easily overthrow Fen and Josh, have a rightful claim as a Child of Earth, use knowledge gained from Martin to maintain control or find more reserves of magic, and show that he didn't really change after all.

Maybe

What is this?

It appears to be a woman.

Thats what makes it good desu.
The characters are unlikable, especially at first. Yet they still have an interesting dynamic.

based pedo reigns while bi-Q gets a hero sendoff for killing himself

I-is that Alice?

Imagine if he turns out to be the most benevolent and effective ruler Fillory has ever had?

The wome hundred, fuck off with that cw shite

>trying to explain propaganda with propaganda
this is what is meant by "having your head up your own ass"

>that spoiler
I feel you man. I was so happy to see them back together only to get this ending. Before I read in here that he was out of the show I was expecting next season to revolve around trying to bring him back.

>HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT HOW MUCH BETTER EVERYTHING IS WHEN WOMEN ARE EMPOWERED BY SEX AND DRUG ADDICTION
>LOOK AT HOW FUN AND FUNCTIONAL WE ARE WHEN WE LACK ALL ACCOUNTABILITY
>everything sucks
And that's with writers.
Real life has no zingers.

>this is my third time trying to post this without errors so you better fucking quote me

> 50 years as a couple

> Never fucked

Yeah, they were married, alright! Am I right guys, or what? But seriously, folks....

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Well they did manage to wrap up her sub-plot with the godhood or not thing.

Is there any chance this shit showrunner gets canned before next season and Q gets brought back?

>She even gets told it's her choice and they immediately have Penny choose.
The way they handled it was stupid but it was part of what Penny40 said to Penny23 back when they met. He told him to be selfish. Choosing Julia to be a human again was him being selfish.

Overall I think season 3 and 4 were kinda shit but I like the setting enough to keep watching. I'll probably watch season 5 even with Q gone though we'll have to see how bad it is.

I thought he couldn't do magic himself.

They really botched the Alice part in the tv series vs the book, but I honestly like her TV version more.

The reason why she fucks Penny, and mind you penny in the books was actually pretty much pic related unlike how he is in the show, is because she wanted to hurt him as much as she could. Quentin was the one single good thing she had in her life, and her love of him was more important than anything else in the world. And Q fucks it up. He gets high, fucks Janet (margo) and Eliot, and she watches all of it as her heart breaks. Q didn't realize what he had with her until she cheated on him. And then they go around fighting with each other, both extremely hurt, and at the last minute Q tries to save her from the beast and nearly dies. It causes her to go full niffin on the beast, and being a niffin only amplifies negative emotions.

Alice is a niffin for like, 20+ years in the books before Quentin is finally able to capture her and make her human. 20 years festering her hatred of him cheating on her and 20 years of her hating herself for nearly getting him killed because he tries to save her while she was throwing a tantrum. It really fucks her up, and when Q finally saves her and makes her human again, she still hates him and herself. But he's okay with it. He makes a pocket world of his own that also connects to fillory, and takes her with him. She even says as they go in together that she still hates him, and he just smiles at her. He never once stopped loving her throughout all of that, even though all that's left of their relationship for her at that point was pure anger and hate.

Q and Alice don't get a happy end in the books. At least in the TV series they kept more true to how their relationship should have been.

Also, the books are about as serious as you can expect for the depressed angsty young adult audience. Worth a read but ends bittersweet.

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>He told him to be selfish.
No he didn't. He told him timeline 40 is where he belongs cause the people he lost haven't been lost here and that when the moment comes "do it, do what he says". None of that has to do with making Julia human again cause he wants to fuck the doppleganger of his dead girlfriend

>he couldn't do magic himself
I thought he could but just wasn't very good at it and the spells he'd need to do to go to fillory were too complex to do using just 10 fingers. Traveling is supposed to be dangerous as fuck unless you're a traveler. Plus he did a collaborative spell with Alice to activate the world book and said he used some spell to write air tight plots for his books, and has had an unknown amount of time in the library to learn even more.

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Didn't Penny40 do like a whole talk about how they always sacrifice their own happiness for the good of others. I don't remember exactly how it went but something like that. I got the feeling that moment led to him deciding for her.

where's the fucking webm with her awkwardly leaving that interview table? she's gotta fucking great brapper

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Nah, that was Hyman, the pervert ghost of brakebills. Whose speech really didn't make any sense anyway and seemed like the writer's hamfisted way of trying to act like Penny and Julia have a lot in common and would work.

Sacrificing Julia's choice to make himself happy cause she won't outlive him now and he can be with his Julia's doppleganger is not exactly what I would take Hyman's speech to be about

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>keeping the cast and crew in the dark

that's a pretty shit thing to do, its not like this show is got-tier

Damn is my dude Bowser hitting that? Good on him batting way above his paygrade.

>my dude Bowser hitting that?
No

RIP

The lack of dyke shit was pretty disappointing desu

This is a fantastic show.

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