Shit the bed so hard that they throw the entire buildup of 7 and 8 in the trash and go back to Based Sheev

sheev will just be a ghost

and he'll fight ghost luke

and it'll be hella f*ckin ebin

Kek

>Snope

I forgot that was even a character

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At least with daddy Lucas as the owner we had plenty of good vidya

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That would be hella fuckin' ebin if ghost Sheev fights ghost Luke, Anakin, and Obi Wan.

Kyle O. is the only interesting character in all Star Wars

These characters are the most memorable thing about the sequels to me.

Disney found the most disgusting looking members of two unmixable races, and forced them into a love story. It is poetry.

Absolute poetry.

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anyone remember that south park skit of spielberg and lucas raping indiana jones?

thats what comes to mind when I think about the sequels but replace indiana with luke and spielberg with jj abrams

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>Copypaste Luke but female.
i'm ok with that.

>Luke but female

If Rey was Luke with tits it'd be okay. Instead she's broken and broken in an overpowered way. She's an impossibly broken plot contrivance. A mary sue who displayed a power that surpasses every other character in star wars.

Based

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Grievous in the movie has a certain appeal, but it took me a long ass time to divorce that from the slasher villain he was in every other form of media, like the Tartakovsky short or Republic Commandos.

Based Eric Butts cried when he heard Sheev's voice in the trailer.
Show some respect.

I know user I know.

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>TLJ
>buildup

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I've seen a recent trend of people suddenly acting like that retard kid at the end force pulling the broom was some kind of plot set up, rather than a comedic gag/throwaway upbeat moment for the ending.

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Why the fuck didn't Disney take an entire year or two to actually settle on a proper direction? The only fucking thing they knew going in is that they wanted a new movie every year and that's fucking it.

They knew they will make a sequel of trilogies, why the fuck aren't they coherent? Why can't they do what Kevin Feige does already? What the fuck Kennedy actually does except acting as ATM for these movies and talking about her vagina? How can they have so many good actors more than willing to return as Obi Wan, as Mace Windu and do absolutely fucking nothing with them? Why are they so aggressively incompetent?

JJ had some kind of plan for the trilogy but burned out after 1 fucking movie after spending almost a decade talking about how he'd rather be making Star Wars movies than Star Trek.

Then Kennedy lost her fucking mind and hired an amateur manchild to make the sequel and seemingly gave him full creative control over everything, which might've been a misguided course-correction response to JJ likely leaving because of too much executive meddling, coupled with Rogue One's reshoot nightmare and mixed response compared to TFA. Then they of course course-corrected again and reshot like all of Solo and made it less comedic because of the response to TLJ.

It would've been so fucking simple to pick and choose shit from all the 7/10 EU storylines, and capeshit has shown there is no fucking limit to the number of things that can come out in a year and still make bank. It's mind-boggling that they could've handled this franchise worse than Lucas sitting on his hands for decades at a time.

So, basically, state of Star Wars is gif related?

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which had more views?

The Solo teaser

or

IX teaser?

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He cried at the sight of nothing but sand.

yes, Disney has handled Star Wars as poorly as WB handled DC shit
Which is just as insane because they aren't drastically re-editing every Marvel movie because fucking Ant Man 2 made 100 mil less than whatever the fuck came before, so really it has to be down to Kennedy being in over her head despite having been with pre-disney Lucasfilm since forever.

thats so retarded I could actually see it happening

Her being broken would be fine if Darth Emo wasn't a wet fart.
Having this great and powerful hero smacked down by an intimidating villain would be great. But if the villain looks like he's be kicked around by Jar Jar you have a problem.

The whole SJW mess and quips aside, shitting fighting, and what not, if Rey had been a broken character getting her ass kicked in first two films, with the third one her getting her footing and fighting Kylo at the remnants of the (properly scaled to size and no ewoks) 2nd Death Star, with Sheev as a holocron guiding Kylo the entire third movie, and egging him on in final battle

WOULD'VE BEEN SO FUCKING KINO FUCK but nope

after Rey defeats Kylo and kills him, she doesn't destroy the holocron, post credits shot of her picking up Sheev holocron and sticking it in a droid, possessing it

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I maintain that Rey should've secretly been an Anakin analogue rather than a Luke, as her childhood is literally worse than Anakin's was, and they should've set up some seeds of her being too flippant with offing people to the point where Han would be a little concerned, but not care that much since she's just some girl, and her connection to him as a father figure would remain, but Kylo Ren killing him would cement their enmity, and then their connection through the force would inadvertently push them in the opposite direction, with Kylo having that pathos where he doesn't kill Leia and slowly drifts back to being good while Rey's disappointment with Luke would send her into darkness, and by movie 3 Rey would be Sith and Ben Solo would be redeemed and Ben would do some shit where he sacrifices himself to kill Sith Rey.

It's funny, because when they did The Force Awakens, they pretty much flat out said Sheev wasn't involved and Snoke wasn't Sheev and the Knights of Ren weren't Sith and so on. They desperately were trying to make a new thing. And now that that hasn't worked, they're backtracking to the Emperor because hey prequel memes are fun now, especially ones about Palpatine.

The problem is that maybe it could've worked if they hadn't completely changed directions and dead-ended 3/4ths of their storylines in the sequel without setting anything new up.
No matter what they do now, it'll feel like that all over again, even if it is marginally better.

Why is this guy treated like a cinematic mastermind?

Everything he's done outside Lost has been painfully bad, and even Lost was a fucking mess by the end. Why did they expect anything different?

He's as bad as Zack Snyder. Consistently mediocre and put in charge of franchises too big for them to handle, quitting midway and leaving the mess for someone else.

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Zack did some good movies before he became the living parody of himself.
Abrams is a clever producer but as a director he's consistently a hack.

>prequels spawned lots of video games and merch
>kids want to duel lightsabers like madmen

>sequels has what, dolls, who fuck buy dolls and Rose Tico figure?
>no memorable shit that kids want to roleplay

It's Disney fault too. MCU killed Star Wars.

By and large, all the merch for OT stuff and even Prequel shit flies off shelves, at least as far as action figures are concerned.
Meanwhile walgreens all over the country are still stacked deep with Rogue One figures, and all the leftover TLJ figures got put on clearance or cycled out to make room for all the young han and young lando figures to pegwarm.

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I think Lucas was right targeting kids in the prequels. He knew they'll gobble up the merch slowly and as they grow up, thus providing stead source of profits.

Disney's retarded notion of targeting the female demographic with action and scifi shit was downright retarded.

A shit ghost fight? So who you gonna call?

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True Star Wars fans do not like sand

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Sheev will have a general Grievous-like body its been said

There's also still good designs of characters and aliens and robots and ships and shit in the Prequels.
The new movies trade on the old shot, or worse versions of the old shit.
And when they do try something new it's fucking Rose Tico or Admiral Holdo.

Because he makes money, never mind the fact that everything he creates is forgettable shit full of nonsensical shit that falls apart the moment you go a bit deeper into it

How they should've done it.

>Introduce Kylo the same way, same lineage to Vader
>There is no Emperor/Snope figure this time, Kylo is the ultimate evil
>The Knights of Ren is a rising power but small and relatively unknown but growing quickly
>They have no semblance of order like the Empire, they are more of a Sith cult, more evil, more dominant
>Rey is a descendent of Obi Wan (we dont learn this until much later)
>Luke living normal life on outskirts somewhere
>Obi Wan's ghost contacts him
>"Luke, destiny still has a role to play for you"
>Luke finds out about First Order and their reign of terror
>"There is still... another. You must find her Luke. Find her before they do."
>Erase basically every other character except Luke, Rey and Kylo
>Luke finds her, trains her
>Luke teaches her how to build a lightsaber
>He lays many crystals before her and she lets the force decide
>Her lightsaber is Yellow (unique)
>Luke aids her in finding and stopping Kylo
>Kylo is too powerful
>Kylo also assisted by dark jedi Knights of Ren
>Either Luke dies now or later, setting Kylo up as the ultimate darkness
>Rey barely escapes, damaged, mentally broken
>Rey isnt anywhere close to defeating Kylo until the final film, and barely survives their encounters
>Luke and Obi Wan aid her through the force
>By the third film the Knights of Ren control nearly everything, they have enslaved planets, everything is chaos
>Rey battles Kylo a last time while resisting the temptation of the dark side atop some ancient sith temple on Korriban
>She defeats him
>Kylo's Knights of Ren find her and their slain master in astonishment and bow
>End of film, cut to black
>Whether she slays everyone in the temple or embraces the dark side and takes Kylos place is up to the viewer

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impressive

Not bad

Sheev can't be a ghost because force ghosts are only found on the good side. The first one who figured out how to become a ghost appearance after death was Qui-Gon, he passed the knowledge to Yoda and Obi-Wan, Anakin appeared as a ghost after he got reconnected with his real self and "invited" by Obi-Wan.

Recast Rey with Gal Gadot

Erase the rest of the cast except Kylo

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Qui-gon just mastered an obscure/lost art. He wasn't the originator of it.
And Anakin never got taught how to do it and he still managed to show up too.

Not to mention the canon cartoon having Darth Bane's spirit show up and shit like that.

I am only using what's in the movies, everything else may/may not be canon.

I always believed that all life becomes one with the force, but only Jedi so attuned to it have the ability to manifest themselves back as a force ghost.

I dig the dark Jedis, I still hate the idea of the First Order and I would have liked some political shit about the rebuilding of the Republic as a military force and not "lmao we just hippies now". Otherwise not bad.

That still wouldn't explain why Anakin can do it at the end, and how the force would consider him "redeemed" even though he slaughtered dozens of children.

My bad I said "First Order" when I meant "Knights of Ren"

In my autistic vision the First Order isnt a thing

Do not forget J. J.'s wonderful ability to end well-tied stories

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Gentlemen, here we see an example of a random retard on the internet coming up with a better story than a professional storyboard hired by Disney.

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>interesting content
>Maul
>Grievous

yeah nah

Here's another take

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the trailer for the movie came up with a better story than the movie itself did

Metal as fuck

They added inclusion and diversity to a typically stale white cast of actors and writers. They made the first two sequels for everyone, especially children. Lots of familiar things for them to understand with small nods to the previous films that they'll enjoy later when they're older and able to make the connections for themselves. The new heroes Rey, Finn and Poe have inspired generations of girls and minorities that they can admire and look up to which is extremely important in today's uncertain society. The latest and last of the original story is coming to an end that will untie all the previous generations of fans and give us all a story that we can throw in the fucking garbage it belongs. Jesus Christ what a joke.

This is pretty cool and mature and that's why there would be no chance of Disney doing it with their beloved franchise
This on the other hand sounds much more like what could have been done by Disney and still much better than what we had.. What a waste

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I really don't understand how they can ruin a movie franchise like this. All the blame goes to the producers and directors for letting a shit like that come to screen.

That's great

I like this legend of the galactic heroes take and fleshing out the characters more but some like hux are so bad they should just be cut instead of retooled

Everything is bad.
The news movies.
The new animated series.
The new books.
The new games.
And now they'll make matters worse by trying to resurrect the Old Republic and fucking that up too.
I wish we could petition the Nip to ban all Star Wars talk from Yea Forums as a sign of solidarity on our part. Fuck nu-Star Wars and FUCK Disney.

I can see Disney execs saying verbatim everything you just said about inclusion and outreach and muh womyn while mispronouncing character names and then talking about toylines instead of fleshing out a decent narrative.

Pretty decent, user.

Rose won't be in Episode 9 for more than 5 minutes.

>telephone
based oldfag

If they actually cared about the toys and realized how pivotal they are to this franchise, they wouldn't have made a bunch of garbage movies about nothing but generic looking people

This doesn't sound like a star wars franchise movie but rather a "Star Wars Legend" movie, aka one-shot movie they would do about Star Wars in an indeterminated past or future of the universe without link between each

Battlefront 2 started out bad but they have added fuckloads of free content weekly and kept improving and salvaged it entirely.

Great looking game, smooth, tons of content, fun to play. No one will give it a second chance though. Shame.

Disney failed at understanding Lucas on the most basic level.
He made real movies and then monetized the shit out of the toys and got rich off of them. Disney just thinks the movies are an extension of the toyline.
I am still, no matter how hard I think about it, fucking amazed at how bad everything turned out to be. Like, you'd think that people that bought an IP for 4 BILLION dollars would put some thought into what to do with it. You'd think that when THEY OWN FUCKING MARVEL AND BUILT IT UP AS A BIG SERIES that they could apply that to fucking Star Wars and plan shit out in advance.
I doubt we'll know the truth anytime soon, but I hope to live until a book is released that explains just what the fuck was going on through their heads when they decided to be this fucking lazy.

I still haven't watched the trailer and I have no real desire to despite my some of my friends and dad saying it was pretty good.

That's great, but battlefront 2 already came out in like 2007 or whatever with all that shit they had to add to the new one already baked in

Your friends and dad are subhumans, unironically. Also this isn't a fucking blog. Kill yourself.

you could likely fit all of this into one 2h30 movie, not enough to make an entire trilogy

Does he suck at ending shit?

Killing off Snoke and Luke was genuinely the dumbest thing they've done in the entire series, seriously what's the point in watching further when the main villain is dead and the main hero of the franchise is reduced to a whiny old man that dies for no reason?

Holy digits

That's what happens when everyone involved at Disney treats the IP like another property with zero personal involvement or excitement from producers who got paid to crank out a trilogy and who treat the job like another boring shift. I bet you 10 dollars that some of those hack writers didn't even watch MOST of the source material.

>I doubt we'll know the truth anytime soon, but I hope to live until a book is released that explains just what the fuck was going on through their heads when they decided to be this fucking lazy.
Some guy who worked for Lucas made a book about the whole making of the prequels, he was just doing that too for the sequels and detailing how much of dumpster fire the whole thing was, but he got C&D to hell.
Look it up.

Snoke is a failed Sheev clone, which is why he's so ugly. But he went rogue, and shut down the proper Sheev cloning process. Now Snoke is dead, and the real sheev clone can emerge.

This clone--tech is what Plageus made.

There was literally nothing there. It was like a trailer for a new trilogy.

Kennedy is in charge of this shit, and despite having worked for Lucas for a fucking decade or however long, she seems to have absolutely no reverence or nostalgia for anything Star Wars.

Disney will never let that book be published. They are incapable of admitting fault. Even when Igor is punishing Lucasfilm by containing them to Disney+ long enough for Kathleen to finish her contract and retire, with the lost revenue now being know, they won’t admit they fucked up and are saying Sheev was planned from the beginning.

Cry more about children's movies you faggot

*family movies

The problem is that Disney forgot Star Wars can be dark and perhaps should be. The opening scenes are Luke's foster parents being found scorched alive and smoldering in the ruins of his former childhood home. Its a galaxy of criminals. People struggling to survive. Jabba the Hut has slaves. Theres prostitution. People are tortured, killed. Luke is maimed. Empire Strikes Back was the best because it could be dark, it could go there.

This new sequel trilogy everyone is a cartoon. No sense of grit. Everything feels like a saturday morning cartoon, instead of a setting where things happen organically.

Its just a shame, they never got it, they never saw its potential, they saw a cash grab and they ran it into the ground.

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>Copypaste Empire but lamer.
Movie doesn't even really explain how "Empire" rose up again and why Republic is so weak. Frankly, Galaxy should be in shambles and with many different factions at this point.

user, what kills me is that they refuse to fucking move forwards. Even the new game and the new show are both taking place in this time period.
FUCKING. MAKE. NEW. SHIT.
If they legitimately started a new timeline I'd be excited. Especially if it were in capable hands.

the nu-republic is seemingly just like it was in phantom menace, where it's a disorganized mass of garbage that doesn't even have a standing army
leia's resistance is like a fringe group that fights the first order because the republic won't (for some reason)

there's a deleted scene that explains the distinction between the republic and the resistance, but not why the republic doesn't care about to fight the first order, nor what leia's group is even "resisting" seeing as they have a strong connection to the ruling power of the galaxy

It would need some more scenes but it'd be an arch similar to LOTR. One purpose. 3 films of involvement.

>star wars is in the toilet
>marvel capeshit is going to die after end game
>horrible live action remakes of disney classics
Have my prayers been answered? Is the mouse finally gonna die?

I guess, but none of this makes sense to me. First Order should probably not have resources to build new death star and threaten republic much, unless republic is just one of many factions and is small too. They aped first movie but situation of the first movie doesn't translate well to sequels when you take OT ending into account. Though masses ate up nostalgia and Force Awakens so who I'm to judge, mouse made money on their first movie and I guess that's all that matters to them.

it's not unprecedented, there were the years of Treasure Planet flopping and all the straight-to-VHS sequels getting churned out before Eiger came in and righted the ship

How can you steer the ship correctly then hit the iceberg immediately after?

Better than how Disney, KK, Jar Jar and Ruin Johnson did but still quite a lot of bad ideas. Generally first movie needs to be about how New Republic fell, how Knights of Ren and/or other Empire remnants did it. Potential inside job.

>Luke living normal life on outskirts somewhere
Why would Luke and other OT heroes be completely oblivious to threatening developments in the galaxy? He is already established hero. He doesn't have normality or he can't have normality, even if it initially looks like normality. A lot like Obi Wan after few scenes of the first movie and all the retcons in PT. To reverse canonical implications, you need to do that on similar level of canon. At minimum it should be explained in opening crawler, but even that would be bit cheap. You can say something, but generally it is better show it. Also you can't retcon stuff from main line of movies in things like spin off cartoon. Example being showing Finn in trailer as stormtrooper after PT made 'em clones.
>Erase basically every other character except Luke, Rey and Kylo
For sake of continuity from OT you would need Han, Leia and probably other legacy characters. Maybe kill 'em, but do it with in a way that it matters and doesn't ruin them as characters.
>Her lightsaber is Yellow (unique)
Wasn't that color already used by Jedi Temple Guards?

yes, they could've reversed the scenario and had the first order be a rag-tag group of former troopers and admirals, and youths tired of the republic's inaction against some other kind of threat (maybe Kylo and his knights could be a separate faction fucking shit up here and there that the republic is ignoring) and they'd have some credo based around eliminating all force-users, and leia's faction would fight them under the auspices that they're still an imperial remnant but really it's just to stop them from killing her son
And Finn could've been a useful perspective into this flawed idealism, where he actually believes in it until he meets Rey and she seems alright, but ideally he wouldn't turn tail the second he has to shoot people and we'd maybe wait a movie for him to have his turn after the seeds have been sewn first
Meanwhile Poe would be the mirror of this for the resistance, remove Holdo and her bullshit and have Leia be revealed as having become kind of an extremist from his unbiased perspective
And Rey is shepherded into this conflict by Han

Well it took a decade for him to start fucking up

Same thing is happening to Star Trek. Writers are hacks afraid of going forward so all they do is prequels or remakes.

I really appreciate the effort made to salvage the empty characters we were given

>FUCKING. MAKE. NEW. SHIT.
>Star Wars tries to be different
>OT fans throw absoulte shitfit and scream
>Star Wars recreates OT
>PERFECT

The EU proved this. It was filled with !NotOT. Even KOTOR I takes plot points from the OT and even dialogue. Cant move forward because people cling to the past

I'd take Legacy or Yuzhan Vong over this shit any day.

>Even KOTOR I takes plot points from the OT and even dialogue
It's fine to have similarities, it's not OK to make a hack remake like TFA was.

I never had a problem with this. It was an attempt to do something. Legacy had too much 90's era edge. It just didn't suit it for me.

>Malak is Vader
>Revan is a combo of ObiWan, Luke and other jedi
>vrook is Mace
>yoda lookalike is yoda
>star forge is death star
>leviathan almost a rip of ROTJ and ANH
>republic looks like the rebellion for some reason
>sith look like empire

KOTOR was not original. TOR was so bad it actually did have maskless NOTVader

Yes but Legacy at least gave us the actual perspective of a Sith, or a guard in the new Empire, or a Jedi who wasn't a flat note or an idealistic retard.
That's the shit these movies need, new perspectives amidst the trappings we're familiar with. For example, if they're going to make a stormtrooper a main character, don't have him immediately quit being a stormtrooper and quit the empire within fifteen minutes of his introduction. Don't have him be a janitor who was for some reason thrust into combat.
Make him some elite motherfucker who sees the error of his ways maybe at the end of the first movie or something.

This seemed to be the plan. Kylo holds off on firing the missiles, but his loyal wingmen fire anyway, killing Leia in poetic slow motion. This was obviously the tipping point for him in turning back to the light. At the same time Rey was spiralling deeper into nihilistic solipsism in the dark side cave.
But then leia flew back in and the movie slipped into clown world. There were clearly massive rewrites. You can still almost see how the last act was supposed to play out, like an unfinished symphony.

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Why? Because Kathleen Kennedy is a retarded asshole who only hired mulattoes who were incapable of looking more intelligent than her and basedboys who didn't want to rock the boat because they finally to to work at Lucasfilm.

>Darth Banes spirit
in the scene where he shows up Yoda tells him that he is dead and Darth Bane goes away
the force bitches then tell Yoda it was a test

this doesn't have any space battles which is what they think is a main thing people want to see in star wars
what people actually want to see is going 'fast through narrow' and the consequent crashes (star wars ot is about 'chicken', the '50s street racing game)
it doesn't have that either

>The problem is that Disney forgot Star Wars can be dark and perhaps should be.
The thing that makes with original trilogy so good is that it dark and quite lighthearted, deep and quite shallow. It is both those contradictions at same time.

>Everything feels like a saturday morning cartoon, instead of a setting where things happen organically.
Star Wars exists as bizarre hybrid of saturday morning cartoon, thriller and existential horror. That is why it is suitable for kids and contains enough depth to adult audiences. This applies to prequels and Clone Wars as well, even if those are way more flawed. CW probably does the saturday morning cartoon and existential horror hybrid part with finesse of a sledgehammer. It literally is a saturday morning cartoon about men who were created to be cannon fodder in someone elses wars, how those men became their own culture to an extent.

>Same thing is happening to Star Trek.
Same thing happened to Star Trek with Jar Jar Treks, STD just does it even worse with Jar Jars more retarded henchman at the helm. People behind it in both cases seem to be hacks who don't even bother go into lore of franchises at any depth. Literally just second rate copies that destroys the existing canon on multiple levels because they don't bother to do the leg work. From the Jar Jar Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci trio. I'm starting to suspect that only competent writer from the trio is Orci. Paramount fired him nuTrek because his screenplay pitch third movie he was supposed to direct as well was too much like old Star Trek. P

well then there's 8 times Marka Ragnos floated around like a scooby doo ghost in the EU
or in KotoR where you go on a tour of sith tombs and talk to a bunch of ghosts

Eh, the resistance was being slowly killed of until there was only a handful of them left. Of coarse when you see the survivors standing around chatting and smiling at the end, you wouldn't think what happened was all that bad as it looked.

>gasps at the sight of lucasfilms
>tears welling up when the sand scene pops up
>"it's so beautiful"
I hate s o i b o i s so fucking much

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I agree with the OT characters still being important, but killing any of them off would be a mistake: they're simply too old at this point to fight for the sake of the galaxy, which is totally understandable.
Luke should be the new Yoda, giving wisdom and teaching the new generation of jedi masters. Leia and Han could be retired - politician and army general respectively - but their position in the new republic is still highly respected, so they're sought after for advice and guidance, but don't quite hold the level of power that they used to.

The new generation of main characters shouldn't be carbon copies of the OT power group, they should simply be the protagonists of whatever the fuck story is happening at the time. Disney refuses to innovate and be creative, so we're stuck with a shitty copy of the OT plot, thus forcing the main characters into the mold of the OT ones.

If we had a new plot, we'd have new characters. The old ones simply need to be there for advice and guidance, nothing more.

Stormtroopers weren't clones in the OT.

>nike campaign that has nothing to do with Star Wars
everytime

Stormtroopers still aren't.
Logistically there's probably some left over, but they were for the most part made to age at an accelerated level and they're all different heights so they literally can't all be clones.

Fuck that. Give me Gandalf Luke.

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For all we know the Snoke is Plagueis theory can still be a thing. It wouldn't work but they could still do it.

>quickly establish Snoke is back in IX and he could be an old Dark Side user once known as Plagueis
>they go to the DS2 ruins thinking Sheev's ghost could still be there because they need information and a way to defeat Snoke

This fanfic is easily as good or better than any of Disney's fanfic.

>THEY OWN FUCKING MARVEL AND BUILT IT UP AS A BIG SERIES
They didn't. Disney bought Marvel after they were already successful. They "built" Marvel by leaving Marvel alone to continue doing what they'd been doing for years.

>a trailer for a new trilogy.
I can now see this

>This man gets it

Do you remember the time before the new trilogy was even announced?

Do you remember when our biggest gripe about SW was Jar Jar?

Do you remember when identity politics and star wars were only intermingled on some niche Tumblr blogs nobody read?

I just want to go back.

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I don't care. Aside from R1 it's been 36 years since anyone made anything in Star Wars I could bother to care about.

Around the time of Disney buying Marvel (and later Lucasfilm) there were articles praising Igers genius that Disney could finally bring in money from a male audience, where their animated Princesses couldn't, and they had failed previously (John Carpenter, lone ranger). Then they turn around and push Star Wars hard to women (who don't give a fuck), while giving the finger to their predominantly white male audience (see: crowds demographic at the recent Star Wars Celebration).

I remember. When a lot of. People said that super 8 was good

It is okay to like Jar Jar now, user.

He's a Jew in Hollywood, so you get hired no matter how shit you are at your job

>If we had a new plot, we'd have new characters. The old ones simply need to be there for advice and guidance, nothing more.
Biggest flaw with new characters Disney gave us is that they don't have proper character arcs and development. They are inferior copies of old ones with only some external similarities. When it comes to what to do with old characters, I agree on wisdom part, but from story telling point of view they can be utilized to progress the story and even killed off to progress the story, but the killing off part needs to be done in way that it story doesn't shit on them. Like Ruin and Jar Jar did. They might have acquired some new flaws, but those need to be introduced to the story in organic way. Not in the stupid cargo cult way. Even the Han becoming rogue smuggler could work if story is told properly and explains why it happened on a way that is reasonable.

>Stormtroopers weren't clones in the OT.
It was a retcon in PT and at least very heavy implication. PT had quite a bit of convenient retcons to OT and even some subversion to original mythos. It had similar depth as OT, but execution was just flawed.

This. While Mark isn't as agile as he was three decades ago, I bet he could do decent action scene or two in addition to becoming Yoda.

I don't see the point in killing off OT characters aside from the shock/horror emotional value. It would make the fans sad but I struggle to think of a way to make meaningful new characters that stand independently while also being closely tied to the OT characters to the point of being deeply affected by them dying. It just seems pointless to kill them off.

Sure, you could give them a moment of glory - Luke fighting off a new sith lord or Han leading a military assault - but only if it has purpose to the plot, giving the new trilogy characters impetus to act. Maybe they get injured, knocked out of the fight somehow, but I maintain that killing them is a meaningless act.

It will be funny watching them scramble for more stuff to copy. They're already zeroing in on The Old Republic content for their next big thing, that could last them years before they have to find another thing.

>Kyle O. is the only interesting character in all Star Wars
He pretty much has to be by default. The son of two beloved good characters being a villain just writes itself as brilliant and amazing.
The problem is Disney hardly does more than the bare minimum with him. We still don't get anything in the movie about the exact specifics of his childhood and fall, and what his motivation is for wanting to take power from Snoke. He comes off as an interesting character just because of his premise, not because they put in the effort to write him well. They just took the idea from Jacen in the EU and compared to their original shallow characters he looks much deeper and interesting.

Generally everything in needs to have reason for story. Whole point I'm trying to make about killing old characters is that it isn't done for sole purpose of killing 'em off and shock value. Provoking emotional response is kinda acceptable purpose, but it must never be done solely for that purpose and it must have deeper meaning within story. After all films and other fiction generally exists to provoke to emotional response from viewers, readers and players. To give them an experience.

>To give them an experience.
Exactly. I don't think the experience of seeing their heroes die on-screen is something OT Star Wars fans should have.

the prequels are better than nuwars because the prequels were at least building up to something

what did nuwars build up to?

I saw episode 7 after my brother forced me to watch the bluray rip like a year after when I was visiting him.
It's one of the worst big budget movies i've ever seen, and i forgot about 90% of what happened.

The prequels were funny and memorable and had new shit. That one had NOTHING a literal 0/10 movie.

I haven't seen episode 8 and I won't see episode 9 either.

Are you starting to get it now?

>using a phone to take a picture of your screen
Disgusting

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Can't have positive experiences if there isn't negative ones compare 'em to. Good drama usually has good mix of both. I'm absolutely certain that Disney story group and hacks of filmmakers they are employing have competence to pull it off.

Anything Jar Jar Abrams does is exactly that. Visually impressive piles garbage that occasionally have nice scene or two. Completely forgettable, incoherent and will immediately fall apart if you bother to think about anything you just saw. Often it doesn't just fall apart, it also devalues whatever he was ripping off.

The fact that people are replying to this cringe fanfic as if it's any better than what we got is proof that Star Wars fans are even more retarded than Star Wars writers.

no, they just didnt tell the whole truth :^)

I sort of liked Rogue One. I remember almost nothing about episode 7 except when Kylo Ren stops the blaster shot mid air and it stays there while the shuttle takes off. Literally nothing else.

Didn't watch the Han Solo movie and don't even care about any new movies since all the old characters are gone now.

Its only cringe because you have no vision, its a good base

>TFA
well its been 10 years since a star wars movie and 30 since the originals, lets make a new hope for the new generation
>TLJ
alright now that everyones aboard the train lets kill the past and make Star Wars fresh, out with old crew in with the new FUCK LUCAS XD
>TROS
SHIT, THEY HATED TLJ AND BOYCOTTED SOLO BECAUSE OF IT, PANIC, BRING BACK THE PAST JJ SAVE US WITH YOUR MEMBERBERRIES, H-hang on, Mr Lucas, Sheev was meant to survive and trouble luke down the past? Yes, yes we'll use that, can you write anything else for us? sith Holocrons, what are those?

Based thread.

Snoke is Maul's apprentice from Solo

>What did Force Awakens add?
A rolling droid and a star-devouring superweapon, that was kinda neat.

Bringing back Palpatine was my idea. You're welcome.

Did...did that guy just fuck the dog?

It's cool, but it's kinda too late.
I mean, what the fuck is left to save after the garbage fire?

That's the point. Bringing in a new villain just to defeat in the same episode felt cheap, so this is truly the best that could be done.

That's it? Compare it to TPM, which added
>neymodians
>battle droids (especially the destroyers)
>gungans (not memorable in a good way, but still unforgettable)
>podracing
>the flying Jew
>zabraks
>a double lightsaber