Hey Luke, did I ever tell you that in old, pre-1999 EU ideas for the prequels:

>Hey Luke, did I ever tell you that in old, pre-1999 EU ideas for the prequels:

>The Clone Wars took place ~35-40 years ago, not 19-22

>Sheev was "President of the Senate" not "Supreme Chancellor", and was the ineffectual figurehead for truly powerful elites

>The Clone Wars occurred *before* Sheev's presidency, and were one of the failings of the Old Republic that swept him into power on a reformist agenda, turning the Republic into an Empire.

>The Jedi Purge/Anakin's turn to the dark side was meant to occur some time after the Clone wars, not immediately after, with Sheev having lured people into a false sense of peace and security before starting to kill off the Jedi.

>Padme died when Leia was around 4 years old rather than a few seconds old, hence why she would remember her vaguely.

>The Jedi were supposed to be extinct for considerably more than 19 years. Originally Han and the Imperial officer would refer to the Force/Jedi as "sorcery" or "myth" because they were too young to remember us, but now that the prequels timeline makes it so Han was 10 when we got shoah'd, he should vividly remember us, but somehow doesn't.

>The Republic fought *against* an army of insane clones, created by "Clone Master" Atha Prime on the planet Cartao with Spaarti cloning cylinders, rather than *alongside* a Maori clone army who were created on the planet Kamino by long-necked albinos with Kaminoian cylinders.

>Anakin was taken into the Jedi Order at around age ~15, rather than age 9.

>I was originally 70 when I died and your father would be 55, but thanks to George's new prequels timeline, I was 57 when I died and Ani was 45, even though we look way older than our ages!

>Boba Fett was a journeyman protector named "Jaster Mereel" from the planet Concord Dawn, rather than a clone of his "dad" Jango from Kamino.

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How would Luke be so young if the Clone Wars took place so long ago?

Which ones of those were good friends

Originally the clone wars and the rise of the empire/jedi purge were assumed to be separated by like 15 years, with peace occurring in-between, and Luke being born during the purge.

Lucas later merged the Clone wars and purge closer together when making the prequels.

>Lucas: Well, anyway, Luke’s father gets subverted by the Emperor. He gets a little weird at home and his wife begins to figure out that things are going wrong and she confides in Ben, who is his mentor. On his missions through the galaxies, Anakin has been going off doing his Jedi thing and a lot of Jedi have been getting killed—and it’s because they turn their back on him and he cuts them down. The president is turning into an Emperor and Luke’s mother suspects that something has happened to her husband. She is pregnant. Anakin gets worse and worse, and finally Ben has to fight him and he throws him down into a volcano and Vader is all beat up.

>Now, when he falls into the pit, his other arm goes and his leg and there is hardly anything left of him by the time the Emperor’s troops fish him out of the drink. Then when Ben finds out that Vader has been fished out and is in the hands of the Empire, he is worried about it. He goes back to Vader’s wife and explains that Anakin is the bad guy, the one killing all the Jedi.

>When he goes back his wife, Mrs. Skywalker has had the kids, the twins, so she has these two little babies who are six months old or so. So everybody has to go into hiding. The Skywalker line is very strong with the Force, so Ben says, “I think we should protect the kids, because they may be able to help us right the wrong that your husband has created in the universe.” And so Ben takes one and gives him to a couple out there on Tatooine and he gets his little hideout in the hills and he watches him grow. Ben can’t raise Luke himself, because he’s a wanted man. Leia and Luke’s mother go to Alderaan and are taken in by the king there, who is a friend of Ben’s. She dies shortly thereafter and Leia is brought up by her foster parents. She knows that her real mother died.

Interesting trivia, Obi-Wan, but I don't see any reference to Dexter's 50s diner that sold Republic secrets on the menu along with milkshakes - 8/10

The only thing i dont like in the prequels is how all the jedi dies. I mean, seriously? Is it explained somewhere why all jedi apart from Yoda & Obi wan are retards with, apparently, no jedi powers?

Why was it so hard for Lucas to follow this.

the clones took them by surprise, barely any of them had time to react to what was happening, from what we saw only yoda and ki adi mundi realized what was happening but mundi died because he was still shocked while yoda immediately noticed something was wrong before gree got the order and put two and two together when he did

He was a clone

I've heard george waited till the last possible minute and cranked out the prequel scripts at the 11th hour, but that might've been a joke, idk.

>the clones took them by surprise
Don't you think after the first say 50 jedi had been killed by the encroaching battalions of clones marching into their temple that the element of surprise would be, at least for the most part, gone?

child anakin was a mistake

Wait a second
>George Lucas
>Lucas
>Luke
>Luke Skywalker

I already realized that a while ago

the temple was mostly defenseless from what i remember, mostly younglings, temple guards and a couple knights/ padawans. no match for anakin and the 501st
sheev deliberately spread the jedi thin across the galaxy so when he eventually sent the order the jedi would be insanely outnumbered

did you just figure that out?

Some of these ideas would have been better
It is a bit convoluted how long ago the clone wars should have happened and luke/leias birth
I think you can untangle some of this by not having vader be their father
That idea didn't occur until after making A New Hope
>>Boba Fett was a journeyman protector named "Jaster Mereel" from the planet Concord Dawn, rather than a clone of his "dad" Jango from Kamino.
This is from the expanded universe stories and shouldn't be taken for granted
and not even the EU could keep this shit consistent, look how different things are between Tales of the Bounty Hunters short story collection and the Bounty Hunter War trilogy

Yes, genuinely.

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I think this can be explained in the initial drafts for The Star Wars when it was much closer to The Hidden Fortress, General Starkiller and his sons were in hiding
If we apply this idea to what was eventually made then... Anakin was in hiding with his wife, maybe we Obi-Wan or maybe seperate

>Obi Wan
>Tobi Wan
>Tobias Wan
>obias Waa
>bias Wan
>ias Wan
>as Wan
>aswan
>Aslan
>as wan
>es wan
>mes Wan
>ames Wank
>James Wan
whta did lucas mean by this

He didn't want to direct the prequels
He viewed making them as a chore
With Phantom Menace what he did was he dusted of the original first drafts from the mid 1970s when it was much more directly lifted from The Hidden Fortress and Gary Kurtz had made him rewrite again and again
So General Starkiller becomes Qui-Gon
His kids become Obi-Wan and Anakin
The Leia prototype becomes Padme
Alderan and its Wookiees becomes Naboo and its Gungun
The Empire and its blockade becomes the Trade Federation and its blockade
The Vader prototype became Maul
etc
Same exact back and forthing incognito in both and in Hidden Fortress

With Clones and Revenge the films were about playing with new toys and redoing bigger and better stuff from the originals he wasn't satisfied with

So with this sense of boredom, rehashing old stuff, """fixing""" things, and more interested in digital cameras - all the story ideas got left by the wayside
Its not exactly a new development
Jedi had the quick resolution and conclusion to everything because after Raiders of the Lost Arc came out Lucas came to the conclusion that people just wanted a roller coaster ride and weren't interested in a story
So with that in mind already in the 1980s and influencing on movie it was going to have an effect too on these films

Originally luke and leia were not born during the clone wars, they were born way after, during the jedi purge/rise of the empire.

Lucas later combined the clone wars and the empire's rise/jedi purge during the prequels to be more dramatic.

To clarify, he directed them because as a non-Guild and non-union production he was extremely limited in who he could hire to direct the prequels

Also "mace windy" from the anh drafts became dindu in the prequels.

How would the time between TCW and the Jedi purge work on actual film though? Combining the two made things messy, but having that peaceful time in between would have killed any momentum.

"Macy Windu"
the name cropped up in one of the West End Games supplements from the early 1990s
a used repulsorlift salesperson in Mos Eisley or something like that
They would have got the name from the Lucasfilm archives
They were able to incorporate a lot of vintage production design art into the books thanks to that

>ep1: CW start
>ep2: CW end, peace but with a hint that something is wrong
>ep3: fall of the Republic and Jedi order, rise of the Empire

separate films
ep 1: clone war
ep 2: 15 years later the purge
ep 3: on the run?

I like the idea though of Obi-Wan and Anakin being in hiding and being caught
Suppose Obi-Wan escapes the purge, finds a new student Anakin, they and his wife go to some backwater
They're tracked down by Vader

Would that simplify and streamline the chronology?

It of course requires separating Vader and Anakin

Not to mention you'd then have to ave some sort of ridiculous aeging prosthetics on McGregor. And fuck knows what they would have done with the Sheev actor

I agree, I think it works better the way Lucas did it. It makes the purge so much more impactful if it comes while the Jedi are riding high after btfoing the separatists.

I just wish he made the Jedi adopt the clone army in a way which wasn’t totally idiotic. Couldn’t it just have been something which Palpatine cooked up with Dooku before he ‘went bad’ and actually told the Jedi about himself? Then you could dispense with the whole ridiculous detective Obi plot.

This is a lot like the existing films plus a timeskip. Now we have

> Trade Federation Wars start
> Clone Army signals victory in said wars, but a hint that something is wrong
> Fall of the Republic


The problem with the prequels isn't timeline planning. It's the films themselves.

no its fucking cartoonish that the whole war is set up to deplete resources and allow laws to be cast, its typical prison planet brain rot thinking

Yeah, the other anons mentioned Episode III being an "on the run" movie, but after the high of the war ending that doesn't feel like an adequate followup. A full "on the run" movie would have to feel more small and intimate, and I don't think it would gel with the other two being epics. III having everything happen at once had the epicness of the war while keeping the smaller moments.

the original 1977 star wars is small and epic
think about this as a production from the 1970s/80s, not 2000s

>The problem with the prequels isn't timeline planning. It's the films themselves.
It's been said that tcw was George's way of going back to the prequels and refining/redeeming the ideas somewhat.

he failed

Many of these differences are better.


But space “president” is dumb.

I prefer Palps being a capable bastard rather than a puppet desu

Sheev should've just always been Gollum years old and possibly in a younger disguise as well. I didn't care for reflected lightning cooking his face.

Reminder that Jedi Master Ki Adi Mundi visibly has several moments where stares at the clones as they stop following his orders, then begin coordinating a firing line, and then deflects many of their shots as he stands in place making no attempt to use jedi super speed or jump off the bridge he's on or sweep all the clones off the bridge or anything, and then gets overwhelmed by blaster fire.

I can understand Aayla Secura getting shot in the back 2 seconds after the order goes live, and the ones who are in vehicles that get shot down, but Yoda senses it almost immediately and executes the clones nearest to him. Ki Adi Mundi literally sees the change (and must also sense it) and dies like an amateur.

And hey, maybe he was never a combat-focused dude or something, maybe he was more of an intellectual even than a physical force user, that's fine, but he's just the glaring example shown in the movie. The point is, that the idea the movie establishes, that literally every other jedi besides the three remaining in the OT are killed by this subterfuge that in certain examples is immediately sensed or is witnessed firsthand as the clones change formation and muster the attack for their new orders, is utterly ridiculous and something a child would think of.

Let's not forget that Anakin barely helps with any of it, he's only shown killing a bunch of kids and then gets his ass beat by the very next Jedi he encounters.

Lucas ruined the world he created.
It's ironic...and not a story prequel fags would tell you.

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who dis

it was the 1970s and I think he was inspired by Nixon

Just another example of your brain on politics. George watched a bit too much news.

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Nigga the clone wars end like a day before Sith Anakin gets rekt by Obi-wan. In canon-time it's probably like 7 hours between him killing Grievous and him defeating Anakin.
And in that time Anakin also wipes out the Separatist leaders, which would signal the true end of the war, as they had not yet signed any detentes or even contacted the chancellor/emperor unofficial to begin the process of detente.

The Clone Wars don't end until like 30 minutes before Revenge does.

Some cosplay whore.

Reminder that George literally stole "Senator Palpatine" from Taxi Driver's "Senator Palantine".

You know, people should realize its not bad to make your plot the most obvious one if its shot nicely. Film is a visual medium and shouldnt focus on creating "original ideas" or subverting expectations...

I mean, growing a beard worked fine

I like those

>And fuck knows what they would have done with the Sheev actor

Sheev is an evil wizard of darkness that cloaks his true form with twisted force magic. When his power is all but assured, he allows his true form to be revealed.

>Sheev is an evil wizard of darkness that cloaks his true form with twisted force magic.
Has this actually been explained now, or are you picking that option and "his face got melted forever by lightning" is still just as valid an alternative?

>look how different things are between Tales of the Bounty Hunters short story collection and the Bounty Hunter War trilogy

The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy is one the worst EU books in existence so it's no surprise. It doesn't even stay consistent with the movies since every single character somehow knows about the upcoming surprise attack on the Death Star II.

Based.

Luke did I ever tell you about your father? He was a stylish contemporary Ani semi back to wall close coupled modern toilet that came complete with a top fix soft close toilet seat. He could could bring peace and justice to any bathroom or public restroom.

The Ani-toilet was manufactured using attention to detail, top quality materials and innovative design that some would consider unnatural. Supplied with a dual flush cistern for improved water consumption and sand filtration, even a senator couldn't hope for a finer toilet.

Unfortunately he gained an addiction to your mother's urine and bowel movements and eventually refused to open his lid for anyone else, even for a good friend like me.

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nobody cares about the OT but us, and I include GL in that statement. The prequel and sequel trilogies should have gone through the OT with a fine tooth comb to make sure everything was consistent but they didn't and now we have horseshit like vader being 45 and the ending of rogue one being utterly awful viewed right before ANH. it's a fucking tragedy but someday, through the power of AI and the blockchain we may get the movies we should have gotten

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As a kid, before the prequels existed, I imagined the clone wars as thousands of monsters overrunning the Republic in a Lord of The Rings way. It never came to my mind that they were in fact an organized army of proto-stormtroopers, created by the republic.

I think somehow Lucas ran out of runtime for the prequel trilogy. Like as he was filming he realized he hadn't really shown the things that needed to end the story. So he just compressed the timeline.
It really shows that Lucas, like the ST, had no real story in place before filming started.

>Let's not forget that Anakin barely helps with any of it, he's only shown killing a bunch of kids and then gets his ass beat by the very next Jedi he encounters.
That is incredibly false. Anakin killed plenty of knights and masters at the temple. It even shows some of it in the security footage that Kenobi and Yoda looks at.