Nearly a decade later

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>n-noo you can't criticize them, that's cringe!! Why do you care?
They have made hundreds of Star Wars movies, why do they care?

He proved he's an actual cowardly shill with the reviews of the last two.

>no u
Nice try, I noticed you ignored my actual criticism

You forgot to add his herpes or whatever that shit on his cheek is.

its a movie for children, get over it faggot.

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Okay, I'll bite. Which parts don't hold "real weight", and why not? Obviously, it's subjective as to what is good or bad, but I think you should explain your values.

It’s a vascular malformation

You only like the prequels because the new trilogy sucks

So are the Original Trilogy Plinkettfags like you overrate though. At least the prequels had good acting

t. SaganFan1983

youtu.be/8bLkcCZFKvA

>le little kid actor
Luke Skywalker is horrible and he was a grown man at the time

Fucking PT fags still seething lmao

Wonder why they seem to come out of the woodwork when a new SW film is coming out. It's not like everyone would suddenly love them again, they have been purged beyond Darth Maul.

youtube.com/watch?v=U1htC8Rf3qQ

You can criticize them all you want, but you're just wasting energy.

Plinkettfags never stop seething
Hell, even Plinkett himself sperged out and barely criticized TFA so he could misrepresent arguments in favor of the prequels. He can't handle that some people like movies he doesn't

So are they. They don't even have a million subscribers after all these years

>prequelcucks still seething
OH NO NO NO NO

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>At least the prequels had good acting

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>le shills
Oh like RLM, who consistently post their own videos on here? And always have a defense squad ready to freak on anyone that dares criticizes the critics?

Look man, I don't know if you're a shill or some strange prequel lover but it's not working. You're just seething at this point.

youtube.com/watch?v=zJVCBIWSM8k
This scene is cringe and all of Skywalker's dialogue is flat

inb4 some dumb shit about me being a shill for RLM and how the prequels are great for some reason

That you can't describe the characters without addressing their appearance, profession, or role in the story.
You can do that to the prequel characters.

Ironically, though, the sequel characters suffer from this despite being tailored to RLM's tastes.

Nah. I'm fine, why do RLMfags try to brush off every bit of criticism with dead memes?

Called it.

>Zoomers actually think us Boomers liked the PT until the Plinkett reviews
nigga, the reason I enjoyed the reviews so much is because he articulated all the reasons I didn't like the PT but was too uneducated in film to articulate myself.

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My only issue with it how he kept portraying Lucas as this bumbling idiot just because Mike didn't understand that he was kidding. Like the "Say action if I forget to say action" is Lucas obviously joking, but Mike presents it as if Lucas is like a knuckledragging retard. The personal hatred towards Lucas throughout was really funny to me when I was younger, but now it's just kind of eye-rolling when you take into account that all the guy did was make a few movies you didn't like.

>seething
Don't project. You are the one here defending your precious friend simulator show. You even followed up your own post with damage control. That's just sad.

>Called it
Yeah no shit, you're defending RLM's honor, you are an RLMfag, I didn't call you a shill.

I think it's easier to do that with the sequel characters than the prequel characters, but I don't think it's indicative of the movie's qualities. I think if anything it just sort of means the characters aren't as easily defined. Which is the case for plenty of good movies. That being said, you can still describe the prequel characters pretty well by following his rules.

When did I ever mention liking RLM? You seem pretty paranoid that somebody out there dislikes the prequels.

You could always say Finn is cowardly and lustful or that Poe is reckless and noble but you legit can't pinpoint a single defining trait on Rey.

When did you realize that Mike Stoklasa was absolutely wrong about absolutely everything?

Retard answer- After his TFA review.
Slightly slow but not quite drooling answer- after getting tricked by the Plinkett reviews and then over time realizing that Mike was just an asshurt nostalgiababby that framed opinions as facts and namedropped famous movies like Citizen Kane to sound smart.
Real nigga answer- At the part of the TPM review where Mike acts like Midichlorians demystify the force.

P.S.
George was the common element of the OT.
Kasdan and Kershner were not involved with ANH.
The Hyucks were not involved with ESB.
Kasdan was never good as evidenced by TFA. George was carrying Kasdan's dead weight.
George had no co director on the set of ANH.
Joe Johnston has said that ESB is "more of a Lucas film than a Kershner film".

etc etc etc

>he articulated all the reasons I didn't like the PT but was too uneducated in film to articulate myself
>someone too stupid to articulate the lobotomized monkey-tier arguments RLM makes exists

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>herpes
>cheek
UN-ironically have sex

If only Kasdan could be erased from Star Wars history or at least be outed as one of the bad aspects of it.
That retarded jew was trying to destroy George's vision from day one.

This. He gets way too much credit for what little he does. Carrie Fisher doctoring the scripts & actors' own improvisation goes unmentioned but people who make the smallest & inconsequential typo corrections can get the same credits Kasdan does. This was the same guy who wanted Luke to become Vader.

Kasdan's written a lot of great stuff outside of Star Wars though. Dude's a great screenwriter. You just don't know because you only watch Star Wars movies.

>written a lot of great stuff outside of Star Wars though
>written
>a lot of great stuff

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Like what?
I doubt think he is capable of writing a story that's not purely pornographic or exploitative.

>RLM
>educated in film
I don't know what kind of education those idiots have, but they certainly can't distinguish a good film from a bad one. Proof: they think the sequels are good.

>the prequels come out propelling star wars and it's brand to the most profitable it's ever been sparking a flood of new books, games, and TV shows
>People expect me believe the prequels are universally reviled and hated and that even the new shitty sequels are better
How are people this dumb honestly

Dream on, tumblr queen.

They may suck shit now but those reviews were on point.

Get raped.

I'm going to have to ask how much was he doing the writing? The "Screenplay by" credit doesn't automatically imply they've done the screenplay. Take ESB where Leigh Brackett's first draft was completely different to the point where Lucas threw it out completely yet gave her the same credit. That's a corner-case but you'd have to describe cases where Kasdan himself contributed lots.

Why did they shill for TFA?

This. There's a reason why there are so many books, games, etc. set in the Old Republic era.

The way his voice cracked in the TFA review as he choked out the words "I loved it" told me everything I needed to know.

Get JJ Abrams to helm a Star Trek revival? His idea. Make it slavishly close to the original movies visually? His idea. Keep recycling the same character archetypes? His idea. Remove all creative control from the hands of George Lucas? His idea. Make more films in the style of a pulp sci-fi anthology? His idea.

In TFA he got to see everything he had asserted would make for a much better Star Wars franchise. Maybe not some weird auteur-vision-gone-wrong trainwreck like the prequels, but rather a bland, workmanlike, mediocre nerd-tchotchke that fell off the end of a production line.

In that moment he realised there would never be anything interesting about Star Wars again. No more dizzying peaks like Empire Strikes Back. No more hilariously miscalculated troughs like Attack of the Clones. Just boilerplate committee filmmaking as grey and nondescript as the exterior of a Star Destroyer.

Mike Stoklasa got everything he ever thought he wanted from Star Wars, and it was awful.

in retrospect he seems incredibly critical of both the Star Trek movies and the prequels looking at how easily he accepts movies on halfinthebag nowadays

if he's going to critique something because of mediocre production value and side comedy not being up to snuff then he should reevaluate many of the modern films he recommends

His disney star wars reviews are soft as fuck

What are you talking about the guy had great run in the 80s. Everybody has their time though obviously. Paul McCartney doesn't writer good songs any more. But from 1980-the early 90s he was on a roll where pretty much everything he wrote or directed was well-received.

t. the colo claw fish

>pretty much everything he wrote or directed was well-received

I'm begging you to watch another movie other than Star Wars

It's worse than that. Mike built his career on hating the prequels and blaming Lucas for them, even going as far as to claim that Lucas wasn't responsible for anything good about the original trilogy. He also said JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars. Well, his wish came true, Lucas left, and Abrams was hired, and they made a bad Star Wars movie. In fact, the sequels are easily arguably worse than the prequels. But could Mike admit that? No. He's not man enough to stand up and admit when he was wrong. So now he's stuck with these shitty sequels he has to begrudgingly pretend to enjoy and defend. In fact, he's partly responsible for the shit state Star Wars is in. No wonder the guy is so depressed lately and basically a shell of himself. His life is a lie.

good read

Again, you'd have to describe a case where Kasdan was the main or at least a large contributor. Kasdan's contributions to ESB were heavily overstated, just like how Brackett received the same credits even though her contributions were borderline nonexistent to the final product. You'd have to cite a case where Kasdan was known to have contributed lots.

Like that other guy said, do you know exactly what he wrote?
For all I know he could've wanted Indy to be ascended by the power of the arc and some other writer called him a retard before telling him to go away.

Kasdan praise is a side-effect of Lucas hate.

People often tried to discredit Lucas by putting all of his success onto others.

Like one video that claimed TCW was only good because Filoni and the team ignored/hated the Prequels, which as everyone here knows is utter bullshit.

The other big ones are Lucas's first wife, and Lawrence Kasdan, who are often cited as "saving" ANH and ESB, despite not actually contributing nearly as much as everyone thinks.

People often cite Han's dialogue as being one of Kasdan's shining talents, but its common knowledge that Han's best lines were improvised when Harrison actually gave a shit. Including the legendary "I know."

Just look at Han's dialogue in TFA, it was practically meme-tier, and phoned in by Harrison who was just happy to be getting killed off in this one.

This. Lucas wrote The Empire Strikes Back, even though he gets pretty much zero credit for it. The credited screenwriters for Empire are Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan. Leigh Brackett submitted her first draft, then, sadly, passed away from cancer. Brackett’s first draft looks nothing like what The Empire Strikes Back would become.

From here, Lucas took over. Lucas is the one who shaped Empire into the movie that we know today. Then, Kasdan came in to finish up what would become the final script.

It may sound like I’m trying to discount Kasdan’s role in Empire. I’m not, I’m just pointing out that it was Lucas who did the heavy lifting here and that Empire certainly isn’t Kasdan’s movie the way Raiders of the Lost Ark and Return of the Jedi are Kasdan’s movies.

To illustrate this, Film.com‘s Jordan Hoffman had a conversation with Kasdan about the infamous bounty hunters that appear in Empire. As Hoffman tells it, “During press for Darling Companion, Kasdan confessed that he came on late to the scripting of Empire and was hardly fluent in its lore. I was rather deflated to learn that not only would Kasdan not take a side over whether Bossk was cooler than Zuckuss, he didn’t even know who they were.”

George Lucas never accepted a screenwriting credit for The Empire Strikes Back. It’s easy to say, “Lucas didn’t direct or write Empire, so that’s why it’s the best,” but this isn’t telling the whole story.

>Empire Strikes Back
>Raiders of the Lost Ark
>Body Heat
>Continental Divide
>Return of the Jedi
>The Big Chill
>Silverado
>The Accidental Tourist

Everything he did in the 80s. Numerous best screenplay nominations, numerous best picture nominations. All critically well-received.

>proven wrong
>resorts to insults
gg

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>Empire Strikes Back
>Kasdan
See >To illustrate this, Film.com‘s Jordan Hoffman had a conversation with Kasdan about the infamous bounty hunters that appear in Empire. As Hoffman tells it, “During press for Darling Companion, Kasdan confessed that he came on late to the scripting of Empire and was hardly fluent in its lore. I was rather deflated to learn that not only would Kasdan not take a side over whether Bossk was cooler than Zuckuss, he didn’t even know who they were.”

I found Plinkett to be pretty poorly done critique-wise. Comedy is one thing but unlike guys like Nostalgia Critic or Spoony who admit to nitpicking for the sake of humor, RLM actually appear to think their criticisms are somewhat serious. It's weird how so many take them seriously.

After that laughable "Star Wars Awakens" video which wasted a chunk of its time continuing to bash prequels & Ring Theory, because a review of the Star Wars franchise & TFA totally needs that, & just about 0 subsistence, I was under the impression that Mike was forced at gunpoint by a Disney exec. After that came a R1 review with a curious number of complaints which not only apply to TFA but apply to TFA more than R1. By the end, I'm thinking that RLM are chugging down the Member Berries like it's going out of style.

The more you watch their other content, the more their behaviour will make sense. They are actually consistenly aweful movie critics. They like to get high and mighty about how much better they are than others and do these endlessly long fake podcasts, but at the core of it all they are just the exact same. They are grade A hypocrites . And pretty lackluster movie reviewers in addition.

You can pretty much predict exactly how they are going to react. The only thing they are good at is detecting a bandwagon starting to roll, so they always jump on it the first chance they get, and if they can't get on fast enough but sense potential for an anti-bandwagon, they will try and start that. That is exactly what they did with TFA. When the wind started turning after TLJ and fans suddenly hated Disney again, they turned right around and "admitted to their mistake" to get onto the bandwagon nice and early while people didn't realize whether the "love it" or "hate it" faction was going to win out yet.

They are good social manipulators, I will give you that, but they pretty much just say what ever will get their audience nodding, and they know how to make a tear-down entertaining whether substantiated or not. In that regard, they are just the edgy """high brow""" mirror image to all those shill-casts they like to mock.

And they do that with every movie, not just Star Wars, I got sick and tired of them real fast. The more I watched of them, the more they reminded me of the higher tier corporate bullshitters I have encountered in large companies, you know, the type that don't just rise through hot air and convincing other bullshitters, but that can hide their unsophisticated behind sophisticated wording. In the end, you develop a nose for that nonsense anyways. RLM are the same, beating dead horses and unsophisticated "criticism" hidden behind nice wording.

You got seven more, get to work.

>By the end, I'm thinking that RLM are chugging down the Member Berries like it's going out of style.
You are correct. Allow me to regale you with a post I wrote a while back-

So in the Nemesis review Mike says something to the effect of the filmakers not caring about Trek/having contempt for the audience by trying to pass of that picture of a young bald Picard even though Picard had hair as a youth as oer the show. (can't remember if he also whined about the picture being bad because the filmmakers think the audience won't get the Clone angle without it, but if he did that's projection and not worth talking about).

But why then does Mike suck off Wrath of Khan when it does the exact same thing?
Chekov of all people is the one to react to the Botany Bay, when he wasn't even on the show in season 1 when Space Seed happened?
And don't say that he could have been on the ship. If the filmmakers cared the way Mike says the Nemesis guys should have, they wouldn't have picked the ONE cast member who wasn't in the Kahn episode for that sequence.

My conclusion is that Mike is a nostalgia babby pure and simple.
This is further supported by his TFA reaction.

Oh, and if Nemesis is really so terrible, he shouldn't have to resort to flaws it shares with a movie he contrasts it with, quality wise.

Naw bro everyone hated em when they came out. the prequels reputation has nothing to do with edgy bois nostalgia pandering about the OT at the expense of the PT in a way to build their brand they were just hated right off the bat

>ESB
>when this entire thread
>more films nobody gives a shit about
>RotJ
>RotJ
>worth mentioning

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This.

Based Chinaman

>Kasdan was never good as evidenced by TFA. George was carrying Kasdan's dead weight.

FINALLY someone else realises it. TFA and Solo prove that Kasdan has never been anything other than a mediocre screenwriter who just happened to be surrounded by the right people in the 80's.

Solo was supposed to be his passion project that he's wanted to write for years. Really? That's the movie you're cashing all your chips in on?

People bought into the anti-Lucas circlejerk so much they forgot that he was the reason Star Wars was successful in the first place. It wasn't Kasdan, or Gary Kurtz or Marcia Lucas or anyone else. That's why the Disney era has been struggling so much.

How do you not know that two of Kasdan's films he wrote directed were nominated for best screenplay and best picture? That along with overall critical praise is pretty indicative that they guy has written well received stuff.

>Most of the iconic lines from ESB actually came from the cast and not Kasdan
>All the most significant moments (Yoda, Vader Reveal, Hoth, Luke's confrontation and the series climax) all came from the mind of George Lucas
>Had to be tard wrangled to not fuck ROTJ up with his dogshit ideas ("Now I am Vader" being the most infamous)
>Doesn't make a good movie since the 80's
>Proves he was a hack when he writes TFA with worse dialogue in the entire series (Yes, including AOTC)
Gee, golly gosh, I wonder why people don't like him

>And with one of the biggest missed opportunities of the prequels, which RLM accurately pointed out, the lives and experiences of the common man in the galaxy, it's hinted at in AOTC
HA.
Mike really has no leg to stand on as far as galactic affairs making sense after saying that he liked TFA.
And context creates investment, so don't give me any of that "but the focus wasn't on the galaxy in TFA" meme shit.
Nothing matters if we don't care about the setting, and TFA doesn't bother to explain how we got from Return of The Jedi to TFA.

Mike tries to give himself all these "outs" for his double standards between the PT and other Star Wars, but it's all bullshit.

Atleast the RLM star wars reviews are watchable, have you seen the new Star Wars by Disney?
It's awful, nearly as a bad as the prequals, TLJ might be even WORSE!!!!

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How do you miss what others are telling you? ESB was an example of Kasdan obtaining heavily undeserved credit while others like Carrie Fisher receive no script-editing credits. You have to provide evidence that Kasdan didn't piggypack off others.

>Atleast the RLM star wars reviews are watchable, have you seen the new Star Wars by Disney?
Have you seen the reviews RLM made of them? They're far from watchable. He’s really bad with giving free passes to TFA. Take their similarities. Most unbiased viewers, upon observing this similarity, would briefly note the similarity and move on. This level of nitpicking is basically a post-hoc rebuttal of the PT; they're not mad at the PT because of these things, they're mad at these things because it's the PT.

If Plinkett's so mad that they're copying these little flairs, he should fly into a rage at TFA's blatant plagiarism of entire thematic elements and plot points (like everything to do with Starkiller Base, or how Abrams basically reset the entire outcome of the OT to be able to have a brave Resistance again.)

>If Plinkett's so mad that they're copying these little flairs, he should fly into a rage at TFA's blatant plagiarism of entire thematic elements and plot points (like everything to do with Starkiller Base, or how Abrams basically reset the entire outcome of the OT to be able to have a brave Resistance again.)
Absolutely this.
It's the most hypocritical thing when someone believes the PT are shit movies and when they reference the OT it's bad.
But when the TFA does it waaaaay more extreme, it's paying homage to the "good" Star Wars.

Marcia Lucas definitely saved the original Star Wars film. That's not to take away from George as a director, but he didn't know how to edit at that point. His cut was notoriously embarrassing. I think it's unwise to discredit Marcia especially since her cut is like a perfect example of editing.

As a background and clarification for the Kasdan controversy, there's a legalistic filmmaking phenomenon known as the "Irreducible Story Minimum", which states that
>There is a common misconception that a "story by" credit may be given to a person who simply has the story idea for a film or television program. This is never the case, as all writing credits are for actual writing. A written story document or treatment, or in some cases, a complete script are required to receive "Story by" credit. A writer may be accorded a "Story by" credit, only, despite having written a complete script if, for example, a subsequent writer does a "page one rewrite" that entitles him/her to sole "Screenplay by" credit. For theatrical motion pictures, only, the first writer on an original screenplay is titled to no less than shared "Story by" credit.

In essence this means that in the event of multiple screenwriters, the person who wrote the very first draft of the script only receives "Story by" credit no matter how much or how little of his or her screenplay was used in the final production. Conversely, any person who modified the script in any way such that their contribution was featured in the final, no matter how great or how small a contribution it was, receives "Screenplay by" credit.

Now notice the credits of Empire Strikes Back: Screenplay by Leigh Brackett and Lawrance Kasdan; Story by George Lucas. We know for a fact Leigh Brackett had no contribution on the final film; her draft was unfinished and distasteful to Lucas, and was thrown entirely away after her death, and Lucas merely granted her credit as a courtesy to her estate because they were friends. We also know that virtually all the story element ideas were products of Lucas' imagination, and that he had invented Vader's fatherhood in an initial draft, and after Brackett removed that, he put it back in for the final film.
(cont)
Not that guy but ANY first cut needs heavy editing. And she had others too

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point taken, but my point was based on the fact that they are more educated in film than I was (or am) and they objectively are. Before I started browsing Yea Forums I didn't watch movies with a very critical eye, so when they point out, e.g., that the reason I don't care abut Obiwan and Anakin's relationship is because I never actually see it, I'm only told about it, I learn something. And I don't just learn about the PT, but also a little about watching movies critically. Couple that kind of stuff with the humor, and I love the Plinkett reviews.

I'm just saying he's a good writer in general but you're off in some fucking fantasy world where the only movie he was ever a part of was Empire Strikes Back. I don't give a fuck how much or how little he contributed to one movie. Though George probably kept hiring the guy for a reason.

>Marcia Lucas definitely saved the original Star Wars film
You mean this one person, who worked on this one first draft (rarely does a first draft go through unedited by anyone, including the original writer), with other editors with her, and didn't do shit afterwards suddenly gets credit for saving it?

It's funny how the real writer behind ESB was just some noire screenplay writer

Therefore Kasdan, whatever his contributions were, even if they be as little as changing a "the" to an "a" or an "and" to an "or," garners "Screenplay by" credit. Meanwhile actors who ad-libbed or otherwise changed their lines receive no such credit because they are already credited as part of the cast.

As such, Kasdan's ludicrous self-aggrandizement taking credit for everything good about Star Wars, a franchise and story he himself does not like in the first place, blaming everything bad on George, and claiming to have SALVAGED a script from Lucas, is finally exposed as a baldfaced lie; Kasdan is a shameless charlatan, fraud, and hack, who has emboldened the RLMbabbies of this world and who has dragged the sequel trilogy into the mind-numbingly bland quagmire we suffer. All this from a prima donna so full of himself he gets a big head from working on ONE GOOD MOVIE that wasn't even his.

please deliver some counter arguments
otherwise your post has no meaning and can be disregarded as the whining of a PT-manbaby

>Though George probably kept hiring the guy for a reason.
Same reason why he kept getting Kennedy. He didn't expect a backstabbing & was kind enough to give a dead friend credit, even when said dead friend didn't do shit to the final cut.

>Marcia Lucas definitely saved the original Star Wars film.
Editors need material to edit. Without George at the helm there is nothing for her to work with.

I agree that Marcia Lucas did a great job but there is this weird trend where people try to give the credit for Star Wars' success to everyone but George and that is just wrong.

What argument do you mean exactly?

Who else was there but Lucas?
>Kasdan
Has proven with TFA that his only talent is snappy dialogue, has no storytelling/storymaking skill.
>Kershner
Robocop 2 is pretty "eh".
>Marcia Lucas
Stanley Kubrick liked THX 1138 while she thought it lacked emotion.

Conclusion: Lucas was the reason ESB was good.

Lucas didn't do the first ANH edit. And he fired the guy who did.

God damn there's a lot of salt ITT

Is this a troll post?
Marcia was not a writer, she was only one of three editors on ANH, and George was a noted editor in his own right. She's not a one-woman savior and nobody ever credits those other editors.

In the TFA review Plinkett describes the faggots who are ITT defending the prequels perfectly. Face it you dumb shills, the PT is fucking SHIT and it does not matter how bad the ST is they still remain fucking bad movies

Watch this.
youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk

Also watch the deleted scenes for A New Hope and Empire. A New Hope's deleted scenes were mostly FINE. Empire's deleted scenes WOULD HAVE RUINED THE MOVIE. Someone very smart recut that shit.

>it does not matter how bad the ST is they still remain fucking bad movies
Apparently it justifies wasting over half a video on Ring Theory. The sequels are soulless corporate nightmare products. The prequels were soulless corporate nightmare products that were directed by a man who has an identifiable style and vision. The sequels are designed by committee and have no identity as films. This minor difference elevates the shitty prequels over the shitty sequels.

>he uses RLM videos as arguments

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PT is poorly structured, ST is poorly written

>it was le saved in editing meme
You're fucking retarded dude. All they did in editing was cut out scenes and re arrange some seems for pacing purposes because it's more effective at manipulating people's emotions that way (example: not going from a sad part to a happy part back to a sad part)
And they thought Lucas made it too complex with too many things going on that people would be over whelmed. If anything it was dumbed down and the deleted scenes were kino.

It seemed genuine enough, and you didn't mention any of those arguments.
Has anyone noticed this recent trend of defending the prequels, with no arguments and just delusional shitposting? It was so sudden and all over the internet, almost as if someone was funding it so they could sell prequel shit. I can't for the life of me figure out who.

My "review" of Reddit Letter Media

>posting in a friend simulator thread
>idolizing an aging group of youtube vloggers from Milwaukee
>he gives his real-life "friends" money every month

Rich
>an unemployed construction worker, the trick monkey fraud of the group. knows two tricks: forced laughter and becoming violent. brava, rich! brava!

Jack
>a failed viral marketer with an ugly wife and children with terrible names ('myson packard?'). he knows he's the least popular cast member and desperately tries to fit in by making fun of reddit on stream

Mike
>an over-the-hill "director"g weighed down by his talentless friends. only makes "ironically bad" videos because they're immune to criticism. his latest production 'Space Cop' will expose him as a fraud and be a spiritual and economic disaster. he will eventually go the route of orson welles, balloon up to 500 pounds and die at the ripe age of 50.

Jesse
>the curdling definition of a parasite. ditters on her phone while the men do all the hard work. got caught buying jewelry with actual Patreon money.

Jay
>the only cast member showing any self-improvement or growth. still has a long way to go, but has already outgrown RLM.

I like how Reddit Letter Media is a company founded upon criticism, insulting and berating others and their works, but HEAVEN FORBID that anyone criticize them! They'll even ban you from their stream if they catch a whiff of dissatisfaction. It's amazing how creatively lazy the group has become. They were better when they were a starving group. Now they can sit on their fat asses, drink beer and make fart jokes while you throw money at the screen. Amazing.

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Here we go, when confronted with the fact of how awful the prequels were, the bot-trained mongoloid can only resort to ad-hominems and pepe edits.
Notice the distinct lack of counter arguments here.

Not this meme again

The real story is:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_(film)#Post-production

> Already anxious about meeting his deadline, Lucas was shocked when editor John Jympson's first cut of the film was a "complete disaster". According to an article in Star Wars Insider No. 41 by David West Reynolds, this first edit of Star Wars contained about 30–40% different footage from the final version. After attempting to persuade Jympson to cut the film his way, Lucas replaced him with Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew. He also allowed his then-wife, Marcia Lucas, to aid the editing process while she was cutting the film New York, New York (1977) with Lucas's friend Martin Scorsese. Richard Chew found the film to have a lethargic pace and to have been cut in a by-the-book manner: scenes were played out in master shots that flowed into close-up coverage. He found that the pace was dictated by the actors instead of the cuts. Hirsch and Chew worked on two reels simultaneously.

It was Jympson's fault the first cut was a disaster, Lucas tried to get him to cut the film his way, but Jympson refused so Lucas replaced him with Hirsch and Chew, and allowed his wife to help edit as well.

Hey thanks. Watching it now.

>It was Jympson's fault the first cut was a disaster
Of course, the quality of the film has no bearing on the director himself. How could people be so blind?

PT is poorly executed (structure and writing). ST, on the other hand, is a very well-executed bad idea.

What arguments need to be made? The guy's shitty plinkett test was dishonest, etc. There's nothing good.

I don’t think Mike even watched the TPM. So Plinkett says that Valorum didn't need to send a commision to see if Amadila's claim was true, but wasn't the whole point that Valorum sent the Jedi behind the senates back?

Qui-Gon says thaf the negotiations will be short because people like the Trade Fed are cowards, so presumably Valorum had the same idea.
But the Jedi failed because of the Sith.

Valorum could have had the Jedi testify etc if they were successful, but they weren't, and he's already on shaky political ground. That would do him in.
And unlike many others we see in the senate, he's clearly a friend to the Jedi, going behind bureaucracy to use them.

Then Plinkett is saying that Qui-Gon should just steal the part from Watto, but that would mean Watto calling the hutts, which they can't have happen. Not to mention Jedi not being professional thieves, so they’d likely get caught stealing unless they succeed in mind tricking, which they didn’t.

Then Plinkett is saying that Windu should have sent more Jedi back to Naboo, even though the whole point is to draw Maul out, which he won't do if there are a whole gaggle of knights and masters there. Maul isn’t going to think he can solo an army of Jedi or even a large squad.

>The guy's shitty plinkett test was dishonest, etc.
How so? You can't attribute character traits to entities that are not characters, no matter how many nostalgic feelings you have riding on this.

>plinkett test
>test
That entire segment is retarded. It's perfectly easy to describe prequel characters by character traits rather than biographical information, which anyone who's seen the prequels and has the capacity to think for themselves can figure out by thinking about it for two seconds longer than Plinkett wants you to. It's just one expression of a pretty common flaw with Plinkett's reviews - using comedy and delivery to cover for the relatively weaker points.

If the argument is that it's not that the character lacks traits like personality and behavior and mindset, but that the audience doesn't remember it as well, that's just a long-winded up one's own ass way of saying the movie as a whole isn't as good or memorable - which is true, but a pretty shallow point to take like ten fucking minutes to make for a review purporting itself to be in-depth and thorough. Which brings me, again, to why I don't like those reviews - they use comedy and delivery to pad out what are often pretty shallow points or nothing more than restating the premise.

t.brainlet

>I don’t think Mike even watched the TPM.
I don't think I need to read any further.

This. The Plinkett test completely misses out on how we characterise REAL ACTUAL PEOPLE we interact with day to day. Despite the tirade of "It's what's inside that counts", the fact is that the shorthand provided by people's professions, their appearance and affectations, and the statistically verifiable way this effects their behaviour is far too useless to ever leave human vocabulary in these matters.

Furthermore, I would go as far as to say that the Plinkett test is incredible at making any character sound fucking boring. Even incredibly well nuanced characters sound fucking boring when you parse them through the Plinkett test, and not a whole lot less boring than someone who is actually the most straight laced whitebread motherfucker imaginable.

Kira Yoshikage from JoJo Part 4 is from what I can tell, a character literally designed from the ground up around the idea of passing the Plinkett test with flying colours, and yet a description of him following Plinkett test rules still manages to miss the context that makes anything cool about him as a character.

>This. The Plinkett test completely misses out on how we characterise REAL ACTUAL PEOPLE we interact with day to day.
I think it does it rather succinctly. I don't think you interact with many people at all, judging from your thought process.

>ou can't attribute character traits to entities that are not characters, no matter how many nostalgic feelings you have riding on this.
I hate the fucking prequels and I've always felt that bit is the most dishonest part of the entire review. Qui-Gon is pretty great and the only prequel Jedi who isn't a delusional out of touch rules autist. He's the only OT Jedi in the prequels, really.

The Plinkett "test" is a shitty test because it ignores the entire concept of context. To say someone's professional or role isn't important to the character is retarded. A stressed out master class well respected surgeon is a much different character from a stressed out and shitty, poorly trained surgeon.

Also, if one doesn't actively immerse themselves in the story/world and actively attempt to understand the character's motivations, then what right do they have to criticize your character as "shallow" and "boring"?

It's like saying Raskolnikov is a shallow character that can only be described "hurr durr, he killed the loan shark granny and now he regrets it". Or saying that Jack Torrance is boring character who is merely "a writer who went insane and tried to kill his wife".
Face it, Plinkett test is a placebo for people who have to be forcefed the character's motivations in order for them to understand the character in question.

People only think the prequels are good if they saw them as kids.

The fuck is OP doing wearing Ricardo's undies?

RLM is pic related before it was a thing. Mostly nitpicking that they think make them clever, but their arguments fall apart the moment you actually pay attention.

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You can think that shit is gold, without actually addressing any of those points all you want but it's true that appearance and physical traits are likely indicators of personality. Not everyone dresses completely opposite to their personality like some cartoon character

You're not using arguments, you're just regurgitating whatever RLM said in some of their videos, which tells me you're a brainless plebeian. I'm not going to make the effort to counter-argue some stupid points that you haven't even thought by yourself, so I just make sure you're aware of your serious deficiency and move on.

Qui-Gon is an independent minded risk taker, who is also wise and measured.

I passed Plinkett's test.
What do I win?

>I hate the fucking prequels and I've always felt that bit is the most dishonest part of the entire review.
Bargaining is also never an argument.

Adding to these guys. I am restricting myself to Episodes I to III for their descriptions.

>Describe Ep I to III characters without saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role is

>Anakin Skywalker
A prodigy with a lot of anxiety problems and a deep fear of losing people close to him, coupled with a Messiah complex that was forced upon him by others and an unrealistic desire to be perfect. It eventually drives him to commit horrible acts in the ultimately vain hope of saving the love of his life. In the end, he becomes the Galaxy's greatest monster.

>Obi-wan Kenobi
Noble, content, kind, caring, but not without a sense of humor and levity, Obi-wan Kenobi's biggest flaw is a blind spot where the growing problems of best friend Anakin are concerned. Otherwise he glides through the three movies as a person with a strong moral center and is arguably the biggest "good guy" in the trilogy, always willing to do the right thing. He is similar to his master Qui-gon but without the latters contempt for authority. Everyone could stand to be a little more like Obi-wan.

>Padmé Amidala
Dedicated to goodness and preserving freedom and democracy, first for her home planet in particular against an invading force and then later in the Galaxy at large. Rarely thinks of herself before others, though she finds herself falling head over heels for Anakin; even still, her love for Anakin never leads her to selfish acts. She tries to help Anakin's anxieties, but doesn't seem to realize that by loving and marrying him she actually makes them worse. One of the few people who sees Chancellor Palpatine's increasing control over the Senate and understands him to be a threat democracy, though unfortunately few listen to her. Ultimately she dies as part of Anakin's turn to the Dark Side.
This is too accurate of the typical RLMfag. Ignoring any opposing arguments without any thought.

>The Plinkett "test" is a shitty test because it ignores the entire concept of context.
It doesn't, it's not something Mike came up with, it's a simple writing trick that he probably caught at film school. There's absolutely nothing "dishonest" about this, I've noticed you use that word a lot, probably because you're desperate for an argument you can't quite construct.

>literally ignoring what I was saying
Qui-Gon is pretty great and the only prequel Jedi who isn't a delusional out of touch rules autist. He's the only OT Jedi in the prequels, really.

>appearance and physical traits are likely indicators of personality.
And that's not what that test is for. You can infer much from a person's appearance, and convey personality traits through physical traits. But if after removing those your character holds no personality or character, you probably need to work on them.
It's funny to me that you're so completely unequipped to defend these movies, you choose to nitpick a review of them aimlessly.

I'm reading pic related, and Marcia in this article (below) is just so full of shit.
The book in my picture has interviews from her and George, and their families about how George was only ever open with her and his family, no one else.
It also mentions this beautiful love letter he snet her etc...
Also, why would he scrub her name from Lucasfilm's records if he never really cared about her?

news.com.au/finance/business/media/the-secret-weapon-behind-star-wars/news-story/75eb078a8b14d93fce23b06e98805ffb

Also, Ben dying on the DS was a mistake and makes no sense and Marcia can suck my nuts.

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Star Wars is alright but it still blows my mind how much time and emotion people put into it

Not that guy but it’s a meme test with extremely arbitrary criteria.

Qui-Gon: Defiant, willing to go against his superiors to do what he thinks is right.
Padme Amidala: Naive, but well-meaning and wants to do right by her people and democracy.

Plinkett's shitty test doesn't even work on his intended targets.

Jesus Christ imagine being this guy.

It's implied he has to remind his padawan to be patient, so he's not a risk taker at all. His "personality" or lack thereof has to be assumed, since he does not present the viewer with it.
Terrible writing, and the test, while just an exercise in screenplay writing, applies still.

The prequels are shit movies, and will remain shit movies for eternity.

I can prove this empirically:
How many fan edits of the prequels trying to save these bowel movements?

How many fan edit of the original trilogies (except removing the special edition nonsense)

NOW FUCK OFF.

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We keep hearing Anakin is a prodigy and the chosen one, but he displays no such thing in the movies themselves. He's brash, incompetent and impatient.

>Qui-Gon is pretty great
He evidently isn't. I am reading your posts, I'm just ignoring the little outbursts that bring nothing to the conversation.

That's not the test. The purpose of the test is to describe their personalities without describing their appearance, occupation, etc. The issue is, it's as I said on it's perfectly possible to do that even to prequel characters. This isn't to remove personality traits which are conveyed through their appearance or occupation, it is to describe them without reference to them.

There are no fan edits of Nu-Wars because they have no real fans.

Checkmate, Disneyshill.

>Also, why would he scrub her name from Lucasfilm's records if he never really cared about her?
Because he found the poolboy balls deep in her.

>How many fan edit of the original trilogies
youtube.com/watch?v=pW_xdftOspA

>nobody ITT is subscribed to the superior channel
youtube.com/channel/UCTM1789HlPawbkb0WUDW-wA

Guy is literally a Yea Forums poster who does Plinkett better than Mike

the only people who like the prequels are the people who grew up with them and the people who are barely realizing the sequels suck

It's funny how his character does a complete 180° every time one of you hilarious goons tries to describe him. It's almost as if he's not well defined at all.
Also you can call that silly test whatever you want, you've yet to disprove its effectiveness. Essentially you're crying "no fair" because someone showed you how the sausage is made.

Mike Stoklasa is certifiably insane. The Hidden Fortress, an acclaimed film by an acclaimed filmmaker, and the film that Lucas based Star Wars on, has a main character (Mifune) who fails the Plinkett character test as hard as Qui-Gon.

It also fails to account for characters whose job is important enough that they need to be described with it. Take someone like Gandalf. We can describe his personality or his Odin inspirations but unless we mention Gandalf's status as a magic wizard, are we truly describing Gandalf? There comes a point where we've removed enough important aspects from a character's description that the description starts to fail to describe the character.

The guy's whole shtick is badly justifying his feels based opinions.

People were saying the prequels were shit long before the Plinkett reviews. It was to the point that fans were writing alternative screenplays and making alternative edits as a cope for how badly they fell short of 4, 5 & 6.

RLM just encapsulated what most fan were thinking in an entertaining package.

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>It doesn't, it's not something Mike came up with, it's a simple writing trick that he probably caught at film school.
Then explain why? All you've done is mindlessly assert things without explaining why. Everyone else here is telling you paragraphs worth of justifications which you don't even read, judging by how there's constantly replies to opening sentences.

It's not a trick taught at film school and it's not a simple writing trick. It's a ad-hoc trick that doesn't even work.

i think the point of his character test was an example of how bland the film is, not every character has to pass it for a film to be a success but the phantom menace is filled to the brim with non-characters

>OT fan autism means prequels bad
Wrong

>It's implied he has to remind his padawan to be patient, so he's not a risk taker at all.
False. He bets their entire ship on a 10 year old winning a race, he chooses constantly to defy the council in the name of greater good, he's as chaotic good as it comes.

>i think the point of his character test was an example of how bland the film is, not every character has to pass it for a film to be a success but the phantom menace is filled to the brim with non-characters
See>If the argument is that it's not that the character lacks traits like personality and behavior and mindset, but that the audience doesn't remember it as well, that's just a long-winded up one's own ass way of saying the movie as a whole isn't as good or memorable - which is true, but a pretty shallow point to take like ten fucking minutes to make for a review purporting itself to be in-depth and thorough.
This shallow point is in-depth? It's smoke and mirrors with comedy disguising very little sustenance.

People are underestimating the contribution made by the director of the greatest Star Wars, Irvin Kershner. Lucas got lucky with one movie (unless you count American Graffiti and THX-1138) whereas Kershner also directed KINO like The Eyes of Laura Mars (still watched today and taught in filmschools around the world), and Never Say Never Again (which is arguably one of the best 2 versions of Thunderball ever made), and Robocop 2 (the movie so good it made people forget all about Verhoeven's original).

>We can describe his personality or his Odin inspirations but unless we mention Gandalf's status as a magic wizard, are we truly describing Gandalf?
The point of the Plinkett test isn't to write a compete character synopsis for your undergrad essay. It's to determine if the character has any depth.

You CAN describe Gandalf without mentioning his role because there's something there to describe.

His test is shitty. His friends being unable to describe Qui Gon Jinn doesn't mean he's a bad character necessarily, it means his friends are much less familiar with it than the OT characters.

You bet your ass I count THX-1138. Also that's a bold claim that Robocop 2 made people forget about Robocop 1 when 1 tops any robocop list.

This pasta is almost 4 years old you fuck.

>i think the point of his character test was an example of how bland the film is, not every character has to pass it for a film
Then why does he apply it to individual characters like this?

In fact, seeThat description is fairly accurate for its shortness. Quigon is stated to constantly butt heads and defy the rest of the Jedi. He tells them Anakin must be trained when everyone else says no. Even Padme's description is okay as she is highly inexperienced but wants the better for her people.

Mike lost his fucking mind realizing his venom contributed to Lucas selling Star Wars to people who killed it.

youtube.com/watch?v=gNTLC_uiGFA

Yeah. It's still impressive how much the Lucas name overshadowed the work of the directors who made the original trilogy memorable.

THX1138 was a great accomplishment however, and I have no idea where that George Lucas went.

So do it. Describe Gandalf with no mention to him being a wizard, him being a Maia, the appointed guide of the Fellowship or anything of the sort and see if is correct or not that the description fails to describe Gandalf.

but guess what, his point was still valid.
>that's just a long-winded up one's own ass way of saying the movie as a whole isn't as good or memorable - which is true
>which is true

The video at least nails on the head what is wrong with that specific line.\

We'll have to see if he ever gets around to making the films he wanted after selling Star Wars.

Any fan edits to make Battlefield Earth watchable?

>The point of the Plinkett test isn't to write a compete character synopsis for your undergrad essay. It's to determine if the character has any depth.
Then why does, according to these posts, people manage to make test-passing descriptions for PT characters?

Describe Qui Gon Jin without saying what he looked like, what he wore, or what his profession in the movie was.

>Padme Amidala: Naive, but well-meaning and wants to do right by her people and democracy.
i honestly don't know how you got that from tranny voice amidala

>Then explain why?
That's self-explanatory. You're being forcefully obtuse because you think this somehow ultimately proves the films in question are being misjudged, without actually bothering to defend any contrary points. You're being lazy and dishonest with this discussion, so there's no point in continuing further.

I've found that lots of people are incredibly terrible at describing personality, and that doing so is actually a different skill from describing looks or surroundings. Even being able to understand yourself is something a whole lot do not do, so I don't really hold it against others if they aren't able to describe their characters personality, especially in the Plinkett test. Most of the time, people are simply winging a characters personality with no true fixed ideas on how they would act.

I think the poster is being facetious. One of the best 2 versions of Thunderball, since there is only 2 versions to begin with.

Yes, it isn't. So what defends Plinkett on their low quality commentary? It's agreed that the movie as a whole isn't good or memorable, what defends restating such a shallow point for ten fucking minutes?
Honestly the Plinkett test is really more a test on how memorable of a character someone is to an audience. You can't really gut some of the most vital pieces of info in a character and expect to really get a good read on what they are. Half the stuff it tells you to ignore is vital for a good character.

he helped create a monster, films that are just as bad as the prequels for the opposite reasons.
>POTTERY

No

The irony. There are paragraphs worth of arguments, replies & more in all of these yet the reply to them is more or less
>Lol u wrong because wrong
You haven't disproven them by ignoring them. Even your reply just now just assertsthings with no proof.

Has anyone made rebuttals to the Plinket reviews? There was that coloclaw fish guy, but he was on every part of the autism spectrum and his video was impossible to get through. There are apparently some stupid circle theory about the rhyming pottery, but Plinket took those down in the TFA review.

See He doesn't need to do what others did.

because it's entertainment first, analysis second and highlights one of the most common complaints on the subject.

Every single person participating in this thread is an idiot.

That's because no one's ever really gone.

dangit bobby

He can't. Gandalf rapes Plinkett's test to death.
If you're not mentioning magic, you're not REALLY describing Gandalf.

>said the user posting in the thread

CHEETO FINGERS!

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Qui-Gon Jin is your typical wise experienced man with a touch of authority and rules defiance.

Great, so it's focus isn't on good arguments but shit that puts them at the same level as Nostalgia Critic and the sort. Why should we treat their arguments as anything beyond comedic shit meant for laughs?

I agree that doesn’t work. A standard human fighter character can be entertainingly done. This test does nothing for that.

It’s not a tool and it doesn’t even work. It’s completely possible to make an entertaining character that fails it.

It's almost like being reductive when representing someone else's stuff is fucking stupid, or something. Just like Mike during their review.

because at it's core it's still pointing out the serious flaws of the flicks and the ways it could have been better and putting what alot of people felt into one big package and thesis and main arguments are solid as a rock unlike the nostalgic critic, and also he is funny once again unlike the nostalgic critic

Reminder that RLM made pic related

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>still not getting the joke

No, at it's core is comedy and entertainment. It's entertainment first says And if extremely shallow points dragged out for several minutes are all they can say about the prequels, in spite of their many flaws, then what serious flaws did they point out? What
>thesis and main arguments are solid as a rock
is there with arguments this utterly shallow?

>it's INTENTIONALLY SHIT
Ironic shit is still shit.

>intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor
That legitimately fits the Plinkett test.

RLM aren't good movie critics, they never have been.
They just know how to make entertaining videos.

for one that the bulk of our heroes are boring and unmemorable especially when compared to the heroes and villains of the original trilogy

This. RLM even denied it's intentionally shit so other poster who talked about not getting the joke himself doesn't get the joke. And apparently neither does RLM

The Plinkett Test is garbage at what it's supposed to be. It's not a test of writing quality at all, but rather of the viewer's comprehension and vocabulary.

fair enough

>>intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor
who is this being applied to?

Gandalf is sagacious without being sanctimonious, familiar while still being authoritative, and unpredictable yet reliable. He is honest about his failings and thus passes the dire tests of character that his notable peers failed. While his chief concerns are grand in scope he values simple pleasures and common people, and their benefit is his primary motivation. He is a friend to all who are kind of heart. His intellect is immeasurable but he has great respect for his lessors, valuing them for efforts within their limitations. In short he is a being of contradictions, but never conflicted about what is right. His noble qualities and self-sacrifices have earned him the unquestioned loyalty of many, and the deferential respect of a great many more.

His character is so rich I could fill a page with this stuff.

WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH

WHY DONT NOBODY LIKE MUH RETARD MOOBIE WHY DA BIG MEANIE FACE MAKE FUN OF MUH RETARD MOOBIE DONT HE KNOW THAT IT SECWETLY KINO

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Obviously, liking the prequels is becoming more common lately. I'm sure this is just because the children who enjoyed them back in the day are now old enough to interact with other adults on the internet. It's a fucking retarded opinion to have but I can't hold it against them. I like a bunch of awful bullshit from the 80s and 90s for the same reason.

What measure is this? Not only is this very shallow but it fails to consider all sorts of psychological aspects like the fact that adults who watched the originals as a kid and the prequels as an adult clearly grew up with the originals. Even setting everything else aside, there are many psychological factors for this. It's a test of the audience, not the film itself.

Next, same as before. That's a shallow as hell point to stretch and hardly any different from
>If the argument is that it's not that the character lacks traits like personality and behavior and mindset, but that the audience doesn't remember it as well, that's just a long-winded up one's own ass way of saying the movie as a whole isn't as good or memorable - which is true, but a pretty shallow point to take like ten fucking minutes to make for a review purporting itself to be in-depth and thorough.

>They won't. They saw these videos as kids and thought they were "the bestest things ever" and can't handle it when people accurately point out that they are wrong.
literally prequelfags. You're just projecting why you like the prequels LOL

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>At least the prequels had good acting
holy kek

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Not that guy but you describing Dumbledore, the stereotypical wise grandpa or any other generic wise old guy & stretching this description out for a few sentences? What part of that description would make me think gandalf?

He likes hobbits and pipeweed.

this. I spent fucking years enjoying all the shiposting on imdb about how bad the prequels are. Luckily for the prequel fags the LOTR movies came out and most of the teens and adults were talking about them instead. After TPM came out and was embarrassing garbage everyone that wasn't a retarded baby just gave up on them entirely.

This idea that we all just loved that cgi autistic over-explanation horseshit of the prequels until some youtube video is so goddamn silly.

I honestly don't fully understand how anyone can unironically watch those movies, particularly after watching the OT, and not be able to see that they are unambiguous fucking trash.

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Not really & you're grasping some straws here. He's very predictable in that he's the tolkein equivalent of an angel or demi-god sent on a specific mission & you know everything he's out to do is for that mission. He's not really familiar, almost always towering over his allies when he isn't threatening to blow their doors down like an angry odin clone. His primary motivation is above all the mission he's sent on like the rest of the maia he's sent with. His intellect fails at many times, from "speak friend and enter" to more. Looks like you coppied it off a wikia article or some shit.

So do the rest of the fellowship and IRL old Tolkien fans.

TFA is EASILY a better Star Wars movie than any of the prequels. It had a coherent, action-driven script and actually looked like it was shot by someone that knows how to direct a movie. Like even in a vaccuum with no context, TFA on it's own is a pretty good movie. TPM on it's own is made-for-the-garbage shit.

The only reason you like the prequels was you liked them before your balls dropped, or you're retarded. The only reason you don't like TFA was you had a bunch of political bullshit autism about it before you ever even saw it (assuming you even fucking did).

>this is what separates Gandalf's character from a stereotypical old wise guy
My old wise guy character smokes and likes fairies. Is that okay?

>It had a coherent, action-driven script and actually looked like it was shot by someone that knows how to direct a movie. Like even in a vaccuum with no context, TFA on it's own is a pretty good movie.

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He has a great many scenes where he's familiar with hobbits and elves.

You can argue with my opinions of course. But the point is there's something to argue about and we don't need to talk about his profession or appearance to do it. Of course you do anyway, but hey, you're an NPC. Much like the characters you're defending and the audience they were written for.

But does Dumbledore?
You lose the thread pretty quickly, friend.

>Plinkett test
It's shit. Divorcing your character from reality and describing him in boring, vague concepts is shit.
How interesting the character is is not defined solely by his internal struggle, but rather by the specific circumstances surrounding the character.

Plinkett test was designed after its author overdosed on, I dunno, the post-postmodernism koolaid, I guess?
In any case, it's not necessarily indicative of a good character or a good story. Something like Waiting for Godot breaks the test entirely.

not an argument m8. TFA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prequels.

Essentially anything>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prequels.

not even a competition. Keep memeing about how it had a gril in it and that hurt your feelings LOL.

yeah but that's because it chose to play it safe and intentionally be a rehash.
Everything that was different from a new hope was ruined by tlj

t. Lucas

Yeah, as long as you don't carbon copy the rest of him the way Rowling does. Maybe you can give him a bowler hat and a smoking jacket.

>It had a coherent, action-driven script and actually looked like it was shot by someone that knows how to direct a movie
What? You mean all the plot convenience of crashing so close to Rey from space on a TIE fighter, the plot conventience of running into Rey on a planet sizes superweapon, the horrible characters & all? The shitty JJ mystery boxes?

No, I'm saying your description of gandalf is inaccurate. You didn't describe him well at all.

The 'Plinkett' test is nonsense for most characters. Anakin is afraid, passionate, foolhardy, angry and has touches of self-loathing. Obi-Wan is sarcastic, capable, adaptive, focused, and affable. Qui-Gon is reserved, rebellious, wise, experienced, crafty, and self-assured. Only nobody background characters fail it, because it's a ridiculous metric to judge characters on anyway.

TFA is utter shit, it's a goddamn rehash of everything we saw in previous movies.

The prequels are awful in their on way but at least Lucas tried to expand or do some different shit, and you have yo keep in mind he was stuck directing them, he literally couldnt get someone else to do it.

J.J Abrams was so scared of going down the same road, that he made the most unoriginal, insipid but commercialy correct film that he could, which in essence, made him shit the bed even harder.

Explain why my description is incorrect without saying what he looks like, what kind of costume he wears, or what his profession in the novels is.

TFA was shit. It was boring, literally every plot point and setting was a ripoff of OT star wars movies. There was nothing new, interesting, and creative. I guess all of that doesn't make it shit per say, but what does make it shit is the fact that it ruined old star wars movies and characters.

Everything that was accomplished in the OT was undone. The empire was replaced with the first order who destroyed everything the rebels accomplished, and then the rebels were replaced with the resistance for the same tired plot point.

And the worst part is how they destroyed the characters, completely ruining their arcs and reversing all development they had over the OT. Han goes from a cynical, bitter, smuggler to a Hero and marries leia, and then they turn him back into a bitter, cynical smuggler who is estranged from Leia and murdered by his own son.

Leia is still fighting for the same thing she was fighting for in the OT, she's estranged from Han and her son is evil.

And don't get me started on how badly they bastardized Luke. Absolutely horrible what they did to his character.

So they destroy all the old characters to replace and then replace them with terrible new characters. You have Finn who did nothing of significance in the first movie except give comic relief, and then in the second he goes on the worst subplot/b-story in SW history.

Poe does nothing of significance in the first movie, and in the second movie he just serves as a tool for Rian Johnson to subvert our expectations by making Holdo an unexpected hero. Everything Poe did was in the right and justified and Holdo was being unreasonable, all Poe did in the second movie was set up a bad plot point.

Then there is Rey who has no weaknesses, no flaws, no growth, no development. A literal mary sue. There's no tension when watching her, she does everything by herself without anyone's help, because she can just do everything. Such a boring character.

TFA was shit, this trilogy is shit.

TFA in itself is also a huge mess - Especially if you look at the early Lucas concepts and see WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN and how Disney and Jew Jew Abrams ruined it.

>The map everyone was looking for in TFA was originally not for Luke but a Jedi temple
>They were originally going to have to go to the bottom of an ocean on Endor to get the map from the emperor's throne room in the wreckage of the Death Star II and not from some random old guy
>Rey's is a junkrat like in TFA EXCEPT she servers her purpose well but getting that map out of the Death Star wreckage
>Jakku was going to be a cross between Raxus Prime and a swamp and not just another desert planet
>Han instead of being a half-dead man was instead a badass space cowboy
>Actual new designs all around instead of just OT hommage copycats
>Ben Solo got seduced by Darth Talon and didn't go to the dark side because Luke tried to kill him
>Luke is Luke and is looking for the temple to fight the Jedi Killers not because he is an old pathetic old man running away from everything
>The knights of Ren actually exist
>Snoke was going to be basically Darth Krayt.

>yeah but that's because it chose to play it safe and intentionally be a rehash.
So did the PT. It just looks retarded and was directed by a fucking retard. He wasn't going nuts. He did another desert story with a special boy going on an adventure. He built the entire PT around fucking Darth Vader. Just because the movies were an industry-facing advertisement for ILM doesn't make it "bold" it makes it fucking GARBAGE.

This board is so fucking gay. I hate Star Wars, you hate Star Wars, just stop talking about Star Wars you dumb faggots.

here is absolutely nothing enjoyable about TFA.

There's no sense of story at all.

Rey is just a Mary Sue. Fucking broke poor girl who just so happens to be one of the greatest pilots you've ever seen and is able to use the force with almost no exertion. Like who the fuck can actually stomach this? If she had been a he people would criticise this shitty character development way more.

Black guy is a Brit speaking in an American accent chewing out hammy dialogue. THEY LITERALLY COPIED HIS FUCKING COWARD STORYLINE FROM HAN! DONT ANY OF YOU NOOBS REMEMBER THIS?

Poe Dameron is pilot guy who essentially does nothing the entire movie.

Kylo Ren is Leia and Han's son (oh mur gurd whooda funk it?) and is basically a rip-off whiney Anakin, but that's okay because he's Vader's Grandson and he idolises him or some shit. Once again more excuses for JJ Abrams literally flat out copying the previous movies.

THEY BROUGHT BACK THE FUCKING DEATH STAR. THEY RIPPED OFF R2-D2 WITH BB-8 WHO LITERALLY IGNITES AN INTERNAL LIGHTER AT ONE POINT AS A THUMBS UP TO THE TEAM.

How do you people see anything in this movie other than a focus group at Disney deciding to copy the success of the previous films, add in a shit ton of action, have no plot as to not confuse the masses and make a shit ton of money off merchandising?

The prequels are not perfect, far from it. However, at least Lucas fucking tried with them. At least he actually invented a fucking story. At least those movies have the Lucas magic feel to them.

The new films are just utterly bland and that's why so many of you sing their praises, because you're fucking bland.

ITT: Reasonable people posting well-thought arguments about the prequels and Lucas' merit in the originals, only to be dismissed by some plebeians who took RLM reviews seriously and can't even build an argument of their own.

Example of a typical argument that brainlets take from RLM reviews:
>muh midichlorians break my Star Wars headcanon because the force is supposed to be this spiritual thing that anyone can master

First, midichlorians are only mentioned like two times in the entire prequel trilogy, and the interpretation of how they interact with the force is left quite open-ended. Which leads me to believe anyone complaining about them didn't even think they were an issue before watching RLM's videos.

Second, it is established in the originals that the force is strong in the Skywalker family. It is also implied that not anyone can be trained in the Force, given how few force users there are, and how Vader and the Emperor think about training Luke or Leia. If they want to train more Sith, and anyone can be trained in the Force, why don't they just train stormtroopers to be force users? All of this implies that force sensitivity can be inherited, which leads to genes, which leads to biology.

In other words, midichlorians make perfect sense.

This is just one of the countless stupid arguments made by RLM that can be easily debunked.

>he was stuck directing them, he literally couldnt get someone else to do it.
Why not?

There was no director, seasoned or green, in the whole wide world who would take the job? Seems like a weak excuse on Lucas' part.

Did you not read where I say why your description is wrong? Just proves too that the description you can muster doesn't even point to gandalf in any way.

>you r rong
>can you explain why?
>didnt u read i said ur rong

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TFA is competent at hitting that capeshit-like sweet spot of mediocrity that seems to be the only thing they know how to sell. The story does the typical Abrams thing of having things happen just fast enough to keep you from realizing that you really don’t care about anything that’s going on. The new characters are incredibly boring and the ones they brought back they fucked up. The setting doesn’t make any sense. All the design work is completely derivative of the OT. The action is typical flashy modern CG shit with no weight or tension with a bit of “cool” man child pandering thrown in. There was stupid shit in the prequels but there was a lot of cool new shit as well. The best I can say about TFA is that it took me a little while to realize exactly how bad it was. Not a fan of movies that get worse the more I think about them

>implying he spends any time in the sun

>What?
Did I fucking stutter
>You mean all the plot convenience of crashing so close to Rey from space on a TIE fighter
sure. What part about COHERENT is hard for you prequel faggots to internalize. Everything in Star Wars is "convenient." It's the smallest galaxy ever. idk what the fuck you're even referring to but everything in ANH and ESB is built around "well that's fucking convenient."
>the plot conventience of running into Rey on a planet sizes superweapon
yeah easy peasy. Super coherent. Do you not understand what this word means? All of your convenience applies to the characters in TPM when they go to Naboo.
>the horrible characters
All of them are 1000x better than Jar Jar my guy.
>The shitty JJ mystery boxes?
The Prequel Trilogies are LITERALLY mystery movies. They're just fucking retarded mysteries that everyone already knew the answer to. Oh I sure hope it's not Palpatine! OMG IT WAS PALPATINE?!?!

What's ironic about the whole Midichlorian thing is that it exposes so many memesters for what they are.
Anakin in TPM has more Midichlorians than Yoda, yet Yoda could still kick his ass, meaning that training and discipline is far more important.
Also the force was always biological, practically speaking. "The force is strong in my family."

Whoa, you sure showed him

>TFA is utter shit, it's a goddamn rehash of everything we saw in previous movies.
I love how much prequel faggots have to say "rehash" LMAO
as if the clone army wasn't made from Boba Fett's dad's balls
>The prequels are awful
Yep exactly. Nailed it on the head.

>sure. What part about COHERENT is hard for you prequel faggots to internalize. Everything in Star Wars is "convenient." It's the smallest galaxy ever. idk what the fuck you're even referring to but everything in ANH and ESB is built around "well that's fucking convenient."
Leia goes to Tatooine for the purpose of picking up Obi-Wan to deliver him and the plans to Alderaan. Obi-Wan is guarding Luke in prep to train him to be a Jedi. R2 & Threepeo are deliberately sent to Tatooine to find Obi-Wan. That's only the opening & it's all connected.

i.e. a birthmark

>clones
This means what exactly? Were there clones before in Star Wars movies?

This is now a KotOR thread

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You can lead an NPC to a mirror but you can't make him self-aware.

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The problem I have with midichlorians is actually the way people interpret them. The movie explicitly says they help the person use the force, they're the butterknife a person uses to butter their toast. They neither explain the force, create the force or serve anything but a middle-man which bloodtests can measure for force potential. How do half the people misread them so badly?

Eh, the Clone Wars were mentioned in the beginning of episode three, but the guy you were replying to was just vomiting word salad.

>TFA was shit. It was boring, l
MUH TRADE DISPUTES
MUH SENATE
> literally every plot point and setting was a ripoff of OT star wars movies.
same with the main story of the PT. It's like poetry, so it rhymes.
>There was nothing new, interesting, and creative
yeah thanks to the prequels being such belligerently stupid, autistic bullshit that they had to win fans over with a back-to-basics movie. AND ITS STILL 1000X BETTER LOL.
>guess all of that doesn't make it shit per say
YEP.
>but what does make it shit is the fact that it ruined old star wars movies and characters.
MUH DICHLORIANS

tldr for the rest keep shilling for historically bad movies that you liked because you were a baby and can't cope. pic related

>but in 30 years, when I'm an essayist, I'll write hyper-articulate justifications of it's genius.

Can't he just get that shit smoothed out.

>sure. What part about COHERENT is hard for you prequel faggots to internalize. Everything in Star Wars is "convenient." It's the smallest galaxy ever. idk what the fuck you're even referring to but everything in ANH and ESB is built around "well that's fucking convenient."
Explain
>ah easy peasy. Super coherent. Do you not understand what this word means? All of your convenience applies to the characters in TPM when they go to Naboo.
Another unexplained assertion
>All of them are 1000x better than Jar Jar my guy.
Questionable. I've seen many who find Rey more intolerable than Jar Jar.

RLM didn't like TLJ at all, not sure where this meme comes from.

>but hold no real weight.
Like what?

Midilets gonna cope, user.

>coherent
No, it wasn't. It has plot holes and it clashes with OT lore. The whole framework Resistance versus First Order makes no sense and is poorly explained (as in how we went from Rebel victory back to square one).
>action-driven
Yes, but the action scenes feel more like Marvel scenes than Star Wars scenes (as is the case for the entire movie). Not to mention that I expect something more from a movie than just action.
>shot by someone that knows how to direct a movie
Implying JJ isn't a hack that overuses dutch angles, for example.
>TFA on it's own is a pretty good movie
No, it isn't. Whoever thinks that is an astronomical plebeian.
>the only reason you don't like TFA is political autism
I'm a leftist. I loved Spider-verse, which has an extremely diverse cast, because it has super innovative animation and a simple but effective script. I don't like TFA because it's capeshit.

Go to school.

>same with the main story of the PT.

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Not without leaving an equally unaesthetic scar.

It's just a baitpost, user. Don't bite. Unless you want to end up like the rest of us.

Yea Forums pretending the prequels are underrated masterpieces just to spite Disney is the lowest this shithole has ever sunk. The prequels AND sequels are bad movies. Quit being fucking spastics.

>Explain
In ANH there is no reason to think that Luke is related to Leia or Vader. She's just the feminist damsel in distress and Vader is just the badass henchman. Then in later movies OMG IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR! This is SUPER convenient.

That you need this explained shows that you're either stupid or disingenuous.

>Another unexplained assertion
watch the fucking movie.
>Questionable. I've seen many who find Rey more intolerable than Jar Jar.
pic related. Being triggered by girls isn't an argument.

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Part of what confused me worse was the way people interpreted the force. The force was always
>An energy field created by all living beings
>Life creates it, makes it grow
It's magical but it was never anything external to the Star Wars universe the same way heaven, hell, valhalla or olympus was. It's also heavily based on buddhist & many eastern religions & philosophies who preach to do physical actions like medditate for spiritual stuff. I don't get why people don't get it.

Its an immense scholarly critique of not only star wars, but the forces behind filmmaking and what influences those processes. If youre able to refute it in any meaningful manner without having to say that your opponents are whatever dimunitive you can think of, then you have an argument but right now youre going to just have to concede

The prequels are not underrated masterpieces. They are fine movies with some very strong points (worldbuilding, music, story and character concepts) and some very weak points (dialogue, story and character execution).

By contrast, the sequels are unsalvageable capeshit.

>In ANH there is no reason to think that Luke is related to Leia or Vader. She's just the feminist damsel in distress and Vader is just the badass henchman. Then in later movies OMG IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR! This is SUPER convenient.
Why would any be of relevance? We knew Luke was Anakin, a powerful Jedi, from the start. All it takes is connecting Anakin to Vader & it's together. Luke was always special because of his lineage. It's the reason Obi-wan protected him for so long.

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>At least the prequels had good acting

Holy fuck. Seriously?

youtu.be/2tLf1JO5bvE

I really can't tell if Prequelfags are deep-cover trolls that are autistically devoted to the act, or if they are just legitimate man-babies with shit taste that are convinced whatever they grew up with is good.

>cgi in a 1999 movie looks dated compared to the one from 2019 which means that the movie is shit
>completely ignoring that tpm was a mind blowing trail blazer in the cgi department and a blueprint upon the entire modern movie industry is built
What did rlm mean by this?
By that logic doesn’t that every game that is even a month old is fucking trash that nobody should ever play?

>mind instantly jumps to video games
That about sums up prequel defenders
FYI star wars has always been shit

>In ANH there is no reason to think that Luke is related to Leia or Vader. She's just the feminist damsel in distress and Vader is just the badass henchman.
We knew Luke was connected to Vader via "Vader killed your father" as a personal vengeance. Vader too was connected with everything else by being ObiWan's former student who helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi. He was more than just this badass henchman, he was directly connected to the protanist and his goal of being a jedi like daddy.

I don't watch RLM videos, I'm not a plebeian. I said they liked the sequels because I've read from other comments they reviewed TFA positively.

Not an argument.
Stay triggered, rlm drone.

*was connected to Anakin

>completely ignoring that tpm was a mind blowing trail blazer in the cgi department

It fucking wasn't, retard. Fans and critics were lambasting the Prequel Trilogy, ESPECIALLY the first two films, as having weak and unconvincing special-effects during the time of their release. This was especially true considering the real "mind blowing trail blazer" in special-effects that you made up in your head was, instead, the OT, which set the bar for sci-fi visual effects for the next two decades.

The OT still manages to have convincing special-effects for the vast majority of its runtime 40 years after its release. The PT looked like trash upon release and everyone knew it both then and now, and it only looks worse now.

>No, it wasn't. It has plot holes and it clashes with OT lore.
nope
>The whole framework Resistance versus First Order makes no sense and is poorly explained
Just like the OT. What the fuck is the point of Jabba in the first movie? Leaving things unsaid>>>>>autistically over-explaining them.

And if you want to defend the PT by attacking the ST for clashing with Lore, you're gonna have a bad time. Why did R2 forget he can fly? Why did Uncle Ben forget about C3P0? Why the FUCK do they have space AIDs? Why the FUCK are jedi kidnapping babies to train them when the whole point in ESB is just to like believe in yourself? Etc etc etc.
>Yes, but the action scenes feel more like Marvel scenes than Star Wars scenes
More like Star Wars than hyper- choreographed nonsense in shiny sterile environments.
>Not to mention that I expect something more from a movie than just action.
Yeah there's a coherent plot you dumn nigger. The script is actually well-written, AND well-executed. And if you're a prequel faggot what the fuck else did you get OTHER than the retarded action? A bunch of boring scenes with characters sitting around talking. Sometimes walking and talking. And then BANG SUPER STUPID REALITY DEFYING ACTION SEQUENCES! HEY LOOKIT OBI-WAN JUST JUMPED OUT DA WINDOW HE HANGING ON THAT ASSASSIN BUG DROID NOW BB HEY LOOKIT ANAKIN IS SKYDIVING ONTO THE ASSASSIN'S SHIP HI WOWIE!
>Implying JJ isn't a hack
George is a hack. JJ is a legitimately good filmmaker. If you don't understand the means by which JJ actually knows wtf he's doing compared to Georgie there's not really much bother talking to you. It's night and day.
>that overuses dutch angles, for example.
Cite 5 examples of him using a dutch angle in TFA. He's using movement the entire time. When the fuck is the camera even locked down and dutched?
>No, it isn't. Whoever thinks that is an astronomical plebeian.
KEEP SHILLING FOR THE ILM COMMERCIAL YOU FUCKING NIGGER HYPOCRITE

>admitting to talking about shit you know nothing about

....

They defended Rey’s powerup

Rich: Do you need any kind of training to use the Force? Any?
Jay: [Kylo] has training.
Rich: She dudn't.
Jay: Well we don't know where...
Rich: Neither did Luke in Empire... Well the minor training, he had like a week of training with Yoda, that's all you need, you need a week?
Jay: And then he went back for his training in Jedi and Yoda just died immediately.
Mike: Yes, can I point out that this is, we are now back to real Star Wars.
Rich: Yep.
Mike: There is never any bullshit about... The only thing that Yoda says is that he's too old to begin the training, that's all. But really, it's more like, okay, I've taught you a couple things, how to levitate stuff, how to do this, your real training is confronting Darth Vader, blah blah blah blah blah, and this it's kind of the same thing, it's not the stupid prequel idea of "we have to get you when you're one, and you have to stand there with a thing over your head holding a lightsaber..
Jay: In a room full of other children.
Mike: In a room full of other children
Jay: That are as close as we are now, with lightsabers.
Mike: Yes, it's not a literal training, it's not an academy of little kids in a classroom, like the stupidity of George Lucas' ideas in the prequels.

>We knew Luke was connected to Vader via "Vader killed your father" as a personal vengeance.
And we sure as FUCK weren't expecting him to be related to Leia.

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You weren’t even born when tpm released.
Lol.

this is cinemasins
rlm actually follow movie logic, but notice the inconsistencies when it irritates the viewer

>What the fuck is the point of Jabba in the first movie?
Han Solo’s subplot about having debts to pay and eventually bounty hunters after him. this connects with everything else as it’s why he took the job to ferry Luke to Alderaan to begin with, why he’s so desperate for money, and the bounty hunter Boba Fett who eventually aid the Empire in tracking them down to Cloud City.

>rlm actually follow movie logic
What logic? They were dumb enough to ask why Quigonn didn’t rob the slave owner with mob connections.

Wtf Ive been watching it today. This is like the third time an user has posted something similar to what Ive been watching. Shit be weird.

Intelligence Scale.

5 - Realizes the prequels aren't that bad and have some things going for them, as the plethora of stories and games based on the prequels' universe demonstrates. Recognizes the sequels as a capeshit trainwreck.
4 - Doesn't think there's anything good in the prequels, but understands the sequels are capeshit and are way worse.
3 - Thinks both the prequels and the sequels are equally bad. May reference RLM videos as a valid argument.
2 - Believes the prequels are terrible and shamelessly admits that he likes TFA. Shows that he is knowledgeable about multiple RLM videos and trivia.
1 - Likes both TFA and TLJ.

What part of this is meant to be coherent?

>Han Solo’s subplot about having debts to pay and eventually bounty hunters after him.
yeah and it goes nowhere. When they made that movie it was supposed to get resolved but they ran out of budget. It just left a bunch of abandoned, dangling threads.

about the PT? Exactly! It's all incoherent trash thank you for agreeing with me LOL

I don't need to read more than one flatearther blog to know they are all shit.

I don't need to watch more than one RLM video to know they are all shit.

I assume that if people say here that RLM reviewed TFA as good, that's true.

The only good prequel is Rogue One.

I don't get why midi chlorians get hate. It's just an effective way to confirm if children are eligible to be trained as jedi, just because Anakin had more midichlorians than Yoda didnt mean he could beat Yoda, it's just potential given a number. It's literally the same shit as saying someone is strong in the force, it didnt make the force any more exclusive than it was in the OT, shit, they even state Luke is powerful in the force because his father was, and Leia is also force sensitive because of Anakin. Midi chlorians changed literally nothing from what was established, and have no meaning beyond confirming without doubt when someone is force sensitive, Qui-Gon already suspected Anakin was powerful in the force before doing the blood test.

THIS

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It does go somewhere. It leads to Han frozen in carbonite at Jabba’s palace and his eventual rescue via Luke. It also ties to Han’s character arc where he goes from selfish and money seeking to fully loyal to the rebellion and his new friends.

You aren't describing characters personalitites, you just say what they did in prequels and shoe horns the appropriate characteristics on them depending on the situation. Point still stands - you can't really describe prequel characters, while I can literally make a quiz out of OT character, and what they will do when you place them into random situations.

It's not something that needed to be spelled out for any reason and all scenes of young Anakin are retarded faggot crap. It is the ne plus ultra of telling us the reason the plot is happening rather than showing it.

>muh world building
Oh fuck off. No one is ever watching TPM because the spaceships are cool.

desu i asked this question as a kid too

What’s funny is that midichlorians is no different an explaination than the magic in Harry Potter. It’s genetic and there are power levels to it but no one gives a fuck. Put it in Star Wars and everyone freaks out. Jedi/Sith and wizards are the same concept.

What triggered the disney astroturfing division today?
That va shitting all over admiral purple hair?

>A prodigy with a lot of anxiety problems and a deep fear of losing people close to him, coupled with a Messiah complex that was forced upon him by others and an unrealistic desire to be perfect.
>Noble, content, kind, caring, but not without a sense of humor and levity
>Dedicated to goodness and preserving freedom and democracy, first for her home planet in particular against an invading force and then later in the Galaxy at large.
Not that guy but the first sentence alone does that

>It does go somewhere. It leads to Han frozen in carbonite at Jabba’s palace
yeah in later movies. They had no idea that Star Wars was going to be successful when it was produced. They had no REAL plans on sequels. That wasn't something that they set up as "a story for another time" it was just shit that they ran out of budget to resolve and just forgot about it. Wasn't until people that knew what they were doing in ESB revived that plotpoint that it became "coherent."

No, your post. It’s honestly nonsense. The PT is more coherent. Are you drunk?

Yeah I never got the midi chlorian hate either.
We already knew from the OT that at least one some level it was inheritable, since the force was strong in the skywalker family.
A lot of people were mad because it's "nazi like", I assume those people meant that it would encourage eugenics.

I think EU handled that fairly well, there were some empires where the ruling classes ruled with the force, but then the force stopped favoring them, so it isn't wholly inheritable.

no the PT is almost entirely INCOHERENT. It's retarded trash.

Even for its first movie, it was the core motivation for Han. He needed money badly and quickly to pay off personal debts. It’s him wanting the cash and to leave as fast as possible. Thus the character development leading to him saving Luke at the end even at no personal financial gain.

>TFA was safe and with a big emphasis nostalgia and RLM rated it good
>therefore RLM rated sequels good
>despite that TLJ is trainwreck that nullifies TFA and TRoS will be damage control that nullifies the TLJ, which, in turn, double nullifies TFA
no matter how they rated TFA, it was just a movie to setup the trilogy, and doesn't have a lot of weight as standalone.
And sequel trilogy overall is trash.

Thing about the midichlorians is that they seem to spontaneously show up. With Jedi forbidden to have relationships 9/10 times, most Jedi clearly don’t reproduce. Thus midichlorians just show up from nowhere. What got quigon really surprised was anakin having no father. It’s not a spontaneous mutation, it’s a spontaneous one person birth.

Its very different

>Disney profits from slandering a property they own
You niggers need to be gassed

It’s more coherent than that worthless post. Besides, is very bad too. It doesn’t consider how years have passed and people forget things like this random pet project your kid relative had. Especially if it changed its appearance and there’s more than one protocol droid in the universe. Even more about asking why an order centred around emotional detachment would obtain kids to indoctrinate before they can develop personal attachments. These questions don’t need to be asked at all.

>no matter how they rated TFA, it was just a movie to setup the trilogy, and doesn't have a lot of weight as standalone.
yeah it does. The first act is fucking fantastic. It's great filmmaking from a film student perspective. You can learn a lot about dialogue-less character exposition and mise en scene and everything else.

People that refuse to acknowledge that JJ is actually a good director need to learn to cope, and maybe watch more movies. Particularly if you're attacking TFA to defend the PT.

That’s also the crazy part. Functionally, it’s hardly any different from before with or without midichlorians. Still the same space monk/samurai magic. The true difference in the way the Force works is all of Qui-Gonn’s stuff about the Living Force and different parts of the Force. That’s different and nobody talks about it.

The Force was always intended to have a material component, because Star Wars is all about hybridizing fantasy and scifi, and in scifi, "psychic powers" are material. It's also an implicit rejection of strict dualism, as part of the eastern aesthetics of the series: the material and the spiritual aren't the same but they echo each other. This is why Jedi meditate and practice complex techniques, why Sith inevitably ends up physically fucked up, and why he felt the need to include Midichlorians.

Reminder that Yoda straight up tells you in ESB that life created the Force, like some kind of galactic gestalt. It's not an external God

>The first act is fucking fantastic. It's great filmmaking from a film student perspective.
Between horrible
>Do I talk first
dialogue, a terribly hypocritical Finn mindlessly murdering first order people when his motives for desertion re the deaths of innocents, and many other issues, it’s not good from a film student pov. It sets the tone all wrong with all these bad one liners.

The movie depends on nostalgia and old characters from OT. The movie ends on cliffhanger. Good exposition and filmed by a good director, also it's not a standalone film, it has really nothing to say on it's own. It's just an introductory chapter for failed trilogy.
Cope.

Lmao sounds more like aragorn than gandalf

I don't even know why I bother arguing with brainlets, but...

The framework in the OT is established in the opening credits and it makes perfect sense. There's a tyrannical Empire and a Rebel group that tries to free the galaxy from the Empire's grip. The ST framework, by contrast, is poorly explained given that it doesn't make sense as a logical continuation from where the OT ended, with the Rebel victory.

Explanation: Disney wanted to replicate the ANH plot so they needed some sort of nuRebels and a nuEmpire. Coherence was way lower in the priority list.

The PT clashes with the OT only in minor details like "why doesn't R2 fly anymore" or "why did old Ben forget about a droid". The ST clashes in major points like "how did the Rebel victory end up like this", "why did the hyperspace rules change", "how can people without a force connection use lightsabers effectively now", "why can people learn how to be a jedi in a couple of days". Not to mention internal lack of coherence like "why does the villain appear so powerful at times yet so laughable at others", "how can this planet-sized superweapon shoot more than once if it needs to drain a sun to fire, do they really hyperspace the whole planet to another solar system?" "why can the lasers sent through hyperspace be seen from any point of the galaxy?", "why do customers go to annoying orange's space cantina in the middle of nowhere?" etc.

And I'm only talking about TFA. I could write a book about TLJ.

Explanation: Again, Disney didn't care about coherence. They cared about the movie looking cool and familiar for brainlets, because brainlets are capeshit's source of income.

I could continue, but given that you're a sequel defender you're probably not even processing what I say.

keep trying LOL. If you want to talk about how the ST "clashes with Lore" to defend the PT, you are going to have a bad time.
>It doesn’t consider how years have passed and people forget things like this random pet project your kid relative had.
"Hey remember how Darth Vader lived with us and a genius wunderwind spacecar driver that also programmed and built that sassy gay robot... oh no? ok me neither."
> Especially if it changed its appearance and there’s more than one protocol droid in the universe.
all the other ones aren't sassy british cowards.
>Even more about asking why an order centred around emotional detachment would obtain kids to indoctrinate before they can develop personal attachments.
which CLASHES WITH THE OT LORE. Luke is able to become a badass Jedi by third movie because he chilled with a space wizard on a car trip, and then got bullied by a swamp lizard for a week. Making the Jedi Order some fucking cult that steals babies to turn them into emotionless unfuckable drones CLASHES hard as FUCK with the messaging in the OT. "There is no try" gets thrown away for some retarded space cult set up for a "forbidden love" story that sux cox and dix.
>These questions don’t need to be asked at all.
yeah they do.

Sorta the point was getting at too. So much has been removed that it doesn’t even describe its original character anymore. It fails as a description for that character.

also i want to note that PT even failed to have good introduction chapter, with all this ambiguity that OT left for Star Wars lore, Lucas just fucking cemented most of SW with prequels. There is really not so many direction to follow, you have to completely BTFO the prequels if you want to do that.

If you're a film student and you take TFA as a good example I would recommend you to consider other career paths.

It's not like you can't make money producing capeshit, but you'll be making humanity no good.

>The movie depends on nostalgia and old characters from OT.
so does the PT. And unlike the PT, THE MOVIE IS ACTUALLY WELL DIRECTED. It isn't frustrating, flat nonsense.
>The movie ends on cliffhanger.
It still functions as a MOVIE. They resolve the third act in satisfying ways that pay off what was set up in the first act. It ending with her choosing to accept the call to adventure and go to Luke isn't a "cliffhanger" it's the resolution to the arc of the character that in the first act was refusing to leave Jakku for fear of missing out on her family returning. Now she had a new family and was moving on with her journey!

On it's own TFA is fucking comfy and well executed. You can argue that there's not a lot of exposition to explain how things got to that point from episode 6, but that doesn't hurt the movies "standalone" value. That actually helps it. If TFA is the first Star War your kid sees, boring them with a bunch of backstory about what happened over the last 30 years isn't necesssarily the best move. It's a space knights versus space nazis movie series.

>But Redditletter media told me it's a good test

are you retarded?
The guy isn't mad, he just thought about all the stuff that was wrong or didn't make sense and made decided years later to put those remarks in a video which ended up being an hour long.
Stop sperging out and trying to pretend star wars actually means something nowadays..

>Hey remember how Darth Vader lived with us
When did they know that? At best, they remember this 10 year old who left the planet a few decades ago named Anakin. How many actual recognize Anakin as Vader?
>all the other ones aren't sassy british cowards.
What relevance is personality of a droid to people who only see droid as workers?
>Luke is able to become a badass Jedi by third movie because he chilled with a space wizard on a car trip, and then got bullied by a swamp lizard for a week
That’s extremely wrong. Not only did he got his ass kicked by Vader immediately following his incomplete training but it didn’t take a week. At least, it took the time for the Millennium Falcon with a broken hyperdrive to slowly get to Cloud City, them to rest and change clothes and more. Luke went through many changes of clothes in Dagobah.
>Making the Jedi Order some fucking cult that steals babies to turn them into emotionless unfuckable drones CLASHES hard as FUCK with the messaging in the OT.
Why? These are the flawed assholes who told Luke that Vader’s beyond saving. The same Kenobi who pulled that bullshit about a point of view about Vader killing Anakin.
>yeah they do.
Clearly they don’t

TFA is dog shit there's literally no plot in the movie it's just a string of set pieces with setups for next set piece reminds of fucking destiny which was also dog shit

>THE MOVIE IS ACTUALLY WELL DIRECTED
What

...

This is sterile good production quality from a film student perspective. Everything played safe and worth the money invested into it.
If you learn how to make valuable products for consumers, then Star Wars is not a great example for you. Star Wars already comes with a huge audience of consumers ready to spend big buck on everything. TFA purpose is to expand on already successful and profitable trademark.
Student like you should be more interested in JJ's earlier works, since no one would trust you billion dollar trademark now, you have to establish a lot of stories on your own, and if you even try to establish it with JJ's tricks that he did in TFA, critics gonna ruin your work as boring and bland (also your budget won't cover most of JJ's tricks in TFA anyway)
You're either larping or you're not paying attention in the class.

You do realize it's you against the world, right?
You do realize only the same kind of people that have watched every single Marvel movie Disney ever produced think TFA is any good, right?

Nah, I don't believe there is some ulterior motive at play here If you really believe that, in relation to the currect rejuvenation of interest in the prequels and the response to the new movies, they are contrarian for contrarianism's sake, then you fell in the same trap they did with the prequel reviews, ie: my view of the SW franchise is objectively correct and everyone else is just trying to bait.

I think they are honest with their views on TFA and RO, even if they may appear to be contradictory and hypocritical from our perspective. I think their first review was very badly articulated and communicated and the later arguments drowned in the white noise of memes (which, honestly, RLM brought on themselves with reducing their points to comedy skits and muddying up their clarifications in needlessly confrontational videos). Because there's a lot of people, both in the fandom and the greater film community, who share them. TFA and RO are two different movies, for two different audiences who expect two different things from their Star Wars movies. Don't let our little echo chamber fool you, there's plenty of people out there who vastly prefer TFA to RO and have valid reasons to do so.

And for the record, before you call me a shill for Abrams, RO is my second favorite SW movie and I agree with much of the common criticism you see aimed at TFA here.

The truth is simply that all of Star Wars is the same farcical shit, only with slight variation in the quality of the execution. You find what appeals to you and then you can give the Plinkett treatment to anything that runs counter to it. I don't really like ANH that much myself. I could easily tear the movie to shreds like RLM tore the PT. It wouldn't change the fact that that movie means a lot to a lot of people.

The only technical thing TLJ or even TFA has over the prequels is that the CGI is newer. And even then you have the rathar shit for example.
>TLJ is close to the same quality of film as Episode III
Yeah,in your fucking dreams. Even Anakin and Padme's most cringy moments in that film are miles better than TLJ crap and the battles shown in the order 66 sequence are way beyond TLJ's """battles""".
Hell Rian didn't even bothered getting a choreographer if I am not mistaken and It really shows.

>Do I talk first
good dialogue. Funny and engaging and establishes the character. And if you're defending the PT, you need to be honest with yourself m8. The dialogue is so shit in that movie that literally every line has been turned into a meme.
> a terribly hypocritical Finn mindlessly murdering first order people when his motives for desertion re the deaths of innocents
First Order were the people causing the deaths of innocents m8. He realized he was a shill for the bad guys. ARE you autistic?
>nd many other issues
that PALE in comparison to the PT, and that don't actually stop the movie from being well done. It's autistic nitpicking about whatever straws you can grasp.
>it’s not good from a film student pov.
unambiguously is. You're talking about minor nitpicks in the script I'm talking about fucking filmmaking.
> It sets the tone all wrong
nope
>with all these bad one liners.
nope. There's not even many "one liners." You're citing one quip from a character that starts a scene. Most of the dialogue in the movie is motivated by the plot and reveals character exposition and motivation and everything else.

You getting triggered by quips now just goes back to pic related. You're some cynical miserable asshole now getting triggered by the same shit that you would have enjoyed before your balls dropped.

>Go watch TFA with dad, the person who first introduced me to Star Wars when he gifted me the OT in VHS for Christmas
>Star Wars title screen rolls, this is cool
>First scene of the movie
>Edgy villain with edgy lightsaber seems to be an evil master of the force but gets joked at by nu-resistance pilot in a Marvel movie style
>Literally 5 minutes into the movie and shit already doesn't make sense and it doesn't feel like Star Wars
>Jakku scenes make up for that for a while, there's still hope
>Movie goes back to not making any sense and being a cringe-fest as soon as they leave the planet
>Zero world-building, annoying oranges in charge of reggae thug cantinas in the middle of nowhere but still people go there because of reasons
>New status quo of First Order vs Resistance makes no fucking sense and is not explained at all
>The movie shits on universe rules like hyperspace jumps taking some time to calculate before you can jump, being able to hyperjump indoors, death lasers that hyperjump from one corner of the galaxy to the other in seconds and are visible from any point in the galaxy
>What is this? A kid's fanfiction?
>Realize it is a fucking remake
>I think they're going to kill Han
>Yep, they killed Han
>Deal with more nonsense like untrained people being a match for powerful villain, the planet-weapon that drains a sun to fire and then somehow hyperjumps to another star to keep draining, etc.
>Realize they're going to make the Death Star trench run again
>Can't even pay attention during the trench run and the following scenes
>Leave theater, dad says he didn't like it and he wasn't expecting a remake

Flash forward to TLJ release.
>TFA was shit, but fuck it it's Star Wars and it's not like I have better plans this week
>Go watch TLJ with friends, expectations are super low
>Movie is a delusional piece of trash, but at least it's not a scene-by-scene remake
>The fuck am I doing justifying this crap

Couldn't care less about the third movie.

>good dialogue. Funny and engaging and establishes the character.
What. Shit was worse than anakin sandwallker

>tfw someone uses your pasta

>The only technical thing TLJ or even TFA has over the prequels is that the CGI is newer.
nope by ALL measurable standards the ST is "technically" WAY better than the PT. Camera movement, lighting, set design, puppet design, costume design, editing, EVERYTHING is better executed under JJ that Georgie. Because Georgie was a lazy fuck that either didn't give a shit and just let the production heads do whatever the fuck they wanted, as long as it would pander to the academy. No part of the PT wasn't both lazily and cynically executed and industry-facing.

>good dialogue. Funny and engaging and establishes the character
Good? It’s shit that ruined whatever tension the scene had. It made both Kylo and Poe look like idiots.
>First Order were the people causing the deaths of innocents m8.
So it’s okay to kill people he grew up with, even people in control towers who likely haven’t killed anything, and no remorse? That’s like saying it’s okay for Allies to rape German civilians because they’re the enemy.
>that PALE in comparison to the PT, and that don't actually stop the movie from being well done
Assertions with no justification. You just say it is with no backing.
>unambiguously is. You're talking about minor nitpicks in the script I'm talking about fucking filmmaking.
If I was your prof, I’d consider failing you. You think these are nitpicks when they’re core parts of character motivations? What’s your major? Clearly can’t be film. I know some film.
>nope
Clearly you didn’t learn logic.

> Shit was worse than anakin sandwallker
A: absolutely not. The audience all laughed. It relieved some of the tension and established this guy as a heroic, likeable character.
B: AGAIN: EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12. Now you're just some tryhard "adult" that gets triggered by the idea of "quips."
C: You should have compared it to shit like "hello there" and not Georgie's attempt at fucking dramatic dialogue. "Do I talk first" was SUPPOSED to be funny. "I hate sand" was ACCIDENTALLY funny.

>set design, puppet design, costume design
What
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Accidentaly funny > tries to be funny but isn't

That's why the prequels are a high-quality meme factory while the sequels can't produce a single good meme.

If you find any of the dialogue in the sequels funny you're a brainlet redditor.

>absolutely not. The audience all laughed. It relieved some of the tension and established this guy as a heroic, likeable character.
It establishes the guy as a shit for brains who doesn’t know he’s mouthing off the wrong guy. It was shitty and I’ve seen people laugh saying
>Jesus that line’s ridiculous
In a negative way. It’s not comedic relief, it kills tension and removes any threat from the equally stupid enemy. Just like that TLJ yo mama joke.

Doubtful. Just compare any rathtar to boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/

>Because Georgie was a lazy fuck that either didn't give a shit and just let the production heads do whatever the fuck they wanted, as long as it would pander to the academy. No part of the PT wasn't both lazily and cynically executed and industry-facing.
You’re taking Lucas with a boner for pushing technology forward and pioneering fuckloads of new shit? The guy who had miniatures and sets constructed for even small scenes, dressed up animatronics and extra everywhere? The guy who used more practical effects in tpm than all the ot then more and more after?

>set design, puppet design, costume design
The movies that inspired tons of games, comics, shows, etc. using the same set, species and costume designs.

Versus.

The movies that took the designs from the OT, painted them with funny colors, and have not created any half-decent original design. Casino world, crystal foxes, desert planet 2.0, snow planet 2.0 but it's salt, and more unoriginal crap.

>Good? It’s shit that ruined whatever tension the scene had.
yeah it's called introducing characters. He's now someone that audience trusts and can feel secure getting attached to. You may be some autistic """adult"""" but this kind of thing is GREAT in kid's movies. You scare them and make them uncomfortable and then blam give them a daddy.
>It made both Kylo and Poe look like idiots.
No it was Poe subverting Kylo's attempt at being le edgy badass. That's Kylo's entire fucking character arc. He's an edgy fuckup that doesn't command the level of respect and fear that his grandpappy did. And from Poe's perspective, he's fucking dead anyways might as well take the piss out of the guy.
>So it’s okay to kill people he grew up with
Yep. They're genociding entire solar systems.
>even people in control towers who likely haven’t killed anything, and no remorse?
They ruined his life. He was a slave soldier for his entire life for them. Fuck em. They're the bad guys.
>That’s like saying it’s okay for Allies to rape German civilians because they’re the enemy.
lol I love how you jump to rape. LET'S REPEAT IT AGAIN: EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12. When you weren't fucking thinking like a Nazi-apologist, rape-obsessed weirdo.
>Assertions with no justification.
kill yourself loser if you want to have a structure debate with sources cited make a fucking forum for it. Saying NUH UH isn't an argument.
>You just say it is with no backing.
WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIES YOU DUMB NIGGER BY EVERY FUCKING TECHNICAL STANDARD OF FILMMAKING, THE PTS ARE OBJECTIVELY FUCKING BAD.
>If I was your prof, I’d consider failing you.
you're likely not college educated at all. And I work in production. I would NEVER hire someone that thinks the PTs are well executed movies. That's the biggest redflag for "retarded knownothing" there could ever be.
>You think these are nitpicks
unambiguously are.

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>WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIES YOU DUMB NIGGER BY EVERY FUCKING TECHNICAL STANDARD OF FILMMAKING, THE PTS ARE OBJECTIVELY FUCKING BAD
>kill yourself loser if you want to have a structure debate with sources cited make a fucking forum for it. Saying NUH UH isn't an argument.
The irony

Yeah the PT dumped money on all that shit. Built a whole industry for it. AND IT STILL SUCKED. BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR HAD NO ACTUAL VISION OTHER THAN TRYING TO PANDER TO THE INDUSTRY.

This. I found that line extremely odd when I first saw the film. You don't need to be a film student to realize that villains in Star Wars are not meant to be comic relief. The only exception being maybe Grievous, but never a real Sith Lord that's second in command.

>yeah it's called introducing characters. He's now someone that audience trusts and can feel secure getting attached to
Or a complete bafoon who ruins the scene,
>No it was Poe subverting Kylo's attempt at being le edgy badass.
Both removing any threat from the antagonist and via stupid lines making everyone look bad.
>And from Poe's perspective, he's fucking dead anyways might as well take the piss out of the guy.
The guy with civilians hostage. Pissing off the guy who can order innocent people killed. This is sympathy or smart?
>They ruined his life. He was a slave soldier for his entire life for them. Fuck em. They're the bad guys.
“They” are regular people doing their job and likely are too young to have done that. Some of these people he grew up with from childhood. This is sociopathy.
>lol I love how you jump to rape. LET'S REPEAT IT AGAIN: EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12. When you weren't fucking thinking like a Nazi-apologist, rape-obsessed weirdo.
I watched the OT before the PT. Try again. And try addressing why it’s justified to kill people for just being part of the enemy factions. It’s almost justification for killing civilians,
>kill yourself loser if you want to have a structure debate with sources cited make a fucking forum for it. Saying NUH UH isn't an argument.
This is exactly what you’ve been doing.
>you're likely not college educated at all. And I work in production. I would NEVER hire someone that thinks the PTs are well executed movies. That's the biggest redflag for "retarded knownothing" there could ever be.
University educated and I’d never hire anyone who thinks like you. You can’t reason your way out of a wet paper bag.
>WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIES YOU DUMB NIGGER BY EVERY FUCKING TECHNICAL STANDARD OF FILMMAKING, THE PTS ARE OBJECTIVELY FUCKING BAD.
So you can’t explain? I’m attacking your shit arguments. I studied how to reason. You didn’t.

>BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR HAD NO ACTUAL VISION OTHER THAN TRYING TO PANDER TO THE INDUSTRY.
>Lucas
What. You say JJ or Lucas? That’s JJ you describe. If it’s one thing Lucas has, it’s vision.

Objectively, the prequels exceeded the sequels many times over with the sheer effects they had. The things Lucas would do completely shit in JJ or Rian.

It's okay, user. If you are a plebeian and you enjoy TFA just be yourself. It's clearly beyond your reach to understand what some of us are saying here, so just keep going.

>It establishes the guy as a shit for brains who doesn’t know he’s mouthing off the wrong guy
EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12
And wtf do you even mean by "doesn't know he's mouthing off the wrong guy?" He was likely expecting to fucking die.
> It was shitty and I’ve seen people laugh saying
I saw that shit in a full theater. The whole room laughed because it was a tension reliever and established him as a fucking cool wisecracking badass willing to talk shit to "the wrong guy."
>Jesus that line’s ridiculous
compare that to the PT my dude. There is no meme industry about how "ridiculous" that line is. Because it generally works fucking great. Just because you're a cynical autist that is probably too old and depressed to enjoy it doesn't make it a bad line. You're just a miserable faggot now.
>t’s not comedic relief, it kills tension
It is comic relief. And it does kill tension. It subverts the tone the bad guy wants to create. It makes Poe a hero.
>nd removes any threat from the equally stupid enemy.
He's already been established as the threat. He just fucking wiped out the whole village.

Again, watching the first act is GREAT as a film criticism study. It all sets up exactly the point of the rest of the movie. Kylo is a tryhard edgelord poser obsessed with being a badass but too emotional and impulsive for his own good. Him getting subverted by Poe is the fucking point.
>Just like that TLJ yo mama joke.
nope. The TLJ joke is shit. That's some prequel memes tier garbage. It just doesn't play as well, isn't following a slaughter so it doesn't give kids a sense of relief. It's just eh.

>EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12
I was watching ANH when I was 12 dipshit.

>And wtf do you even mean by "doesn't know he's mouthing off the wrong guy?" He was likely expecting to fucking die.
The enemy had civilians hostage. He’s pissing off someone who can execute civilians.
>I saw that shit in a full theater
With mind reading powers to know what others are thinking. Nobody I know laughed in a positive way. Only with a
>Oh that’s so shitty I laugh
Kind.
>compare that to the PT my dude
And it’s honestly worse than PT.
>It is comic relief. And it does kill tension. It subverts the tone the bad guy wants to create. It makes Poe a hero.
So they deliberately make the guy piss off the enemy holding hostages and make the bad guy a joke? What is this?
>He's already been established as the threat. He just fucking wiped out the whole village.
And milliseconds later, they shit on him, who wasn’t even personally killing very many but ordering them, by making him a laughing stock.
>Again, watching the first act is GREAT as a film criticism study.
Only as to show everyone what not to do. It makes the hero look evil, the villain a fool, etc,

>You’re taking Lucas with a boner for pushing technology forward and pioneering fuckloads of new shit?
yeah literally the only thing he cared about. He only made the PT to shill his own companies.
>The guy who had miniatures and sets constructed for even small scenes
yep. Industry facing commercial for ILM.
>dressed up animatronics and extra everywhere?
yep trying to win oscars for costume design. That's why Padme and everyone looks like retarded overdressed victorian garbage that looks nothing like the PT. He just told the costume designed to go nuts and make the most complicated, impressive bullshit possible to try and pander to the industry jews. He didn't give a fuck about the audience.
>The guy who used more practical effects in tpm than all the ot then more and more after?
No he used progressively LESS practical after TPM. They shot less-and-less on location because he was a lazy fucking producer hack.

Honestly you prequel babby Lucas cultists are fucking insane. He ruined everything with his business jew attitude and complete lack of meaningful creative direction. The PT is a schizophrenic mash up of differing tones and aesthetics and themes all just thrown at the wall without any real narrative reason.

Please let me tell you how the educated world sees villains in TFA:
>The antagonist is an edgy kid that characters in the movie take as a joke
>If they take him as a joke, why should I take him seriously?
>Is there a serious antagonist in this allegedly Star Wars movie? I'm used to Star Wars movies having villains like Vader or Palpatine
>Who's this Snoke guy? He looks like a poor man's Palpatine and he has a very stupid name

Now this is how you see them:
>Very well set and written characters, everything is fantastic
>10/10 would shill again

>looks nothing like the OT
Because it's a fucking different era, stupid retard.

>hurr durr why did Lucas dare to show us how the galaxy was before the Empire making use of modern technology to create settings as interesting as Coruscant or Naboo

And please don't tell me something stupid like "Naboo looks bad because of CGI". Naboo looks like a mixture of Spanish architecture and the late drawings of Frank Lloyd Wright, you illiterate imbecile.

you're rejecting basic reality and the standards of filmmaking to justify the PT. You're essentially a fucking flat earther. I have to literally teach you how filmmaking works or else you'll just say nuh uh. You're trained to think like a Stalinist to defend FAMOUSLY bad movies. NOTABLY bad.
>Or a complete bafoon who ruins the scene,
EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12
>Both removing any threat
ALREADY ESTABLISHED HE STOPS LAZERS AND KILLS WHOLE VILLAGES
>The guy with civilians hostage.
THAT ALL GET KILLED ANYWAY
>Pissing off the guy who can order innocent people killed.
DID IT ANYWAY. POE KNEW THEY WERE ALL DEAD NO MATTER WHAT. THEY ARE GENOCIDAL SPACE NAZIS.
>This is sympathy or smart?
what language do you speak normally? Is this like a translation problem for you? You an African or something?
>“They” are regular people doing their job and likely are too young to have done that.
THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS THEY ARE GENOICIDING ENTIRE PLANETS THEY TOOK HIM AS A CAPTIVE LOL.
>This is sociopathy.
EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN YOU WERE 12
>I watched the OT before the PT.
doesn't matter you're still a degenerate prequel babby my dude. Literally not even the point of that. You're watching this new series from the POV of someone that thinks about rape and how the Nazis are good guys! When you watched the PT and the OT, you were some dipshit kid that wasn't sexually frustrated and obsessed with humanizing le bad guys.

You aren't watching or critically analyzing TFA from the point of view as a kid, while you are defending the prequels because you have nostalgia glasses from how you did like those, when you were a kid. You're trying to talk about fucking rape and how the genocidal nazis are people too! Kid-you wasn't ruined by those kind of """adult""" thoughts. You now are.

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You write like a brainless kid.

>What. You say JJ or Lucas? That’s JJ you describe.
nope I bet ITT you've probably said "fan service" LOL. Lucas owned multiple billion dollar companies and he was racing against Cameron and others to be the first to really get his company established as the industry go-to for GFX. The ONLY reason the Prequels or the Special Editions were made was to sell his company's services to the industry. The PT are self-serving jerk off movies to shill ILM and THX and Lucasfilm moving into the CGI era.

The fact that you don't understand this speaks to your general ignorance of all of this shit. Just admit that you were a babbie and thats why you like the PT, and jsut admit that you're a miserable old nigger and that's why you don't like the ST. It isn't that hard. You got hoodwinked into liking garbage because you didn't know any better. And that's ok! it doesn't make the movies good though.

>Objectively, the prequels exceeded the sequels many times over with the sheer effects they had.
EVERY
FRAME
IS
SO
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>yeah literally the only thing he cared about. He only made the PT to shill his own companies.
He had a damn vision unlike st

>It's okay, user. If you are a plebeian and you enjoy TFA just be yourself.
Nothing is more embarrassing than someone talking about movies made for children and thinking that makes them a "patrician" LOL. Watch more grown up movies weirdo.

Are you kidding? You got everything wrong.

He pioneered technologies used by everyone after. ILM isn’t exclusive to him. Do you read history too? They had some decorated as hell outfits.

And they flat out had more practical effects by the prequel film. youtube.com/watch?v=-DHZJS0at9c

This guy would be terrible in any hostage situation. You’ve managed to preemptively chalk up every hostage as a lost cause, even while they’re alive, and you’re also equating crimes committed by the First Order government to all its citizens. You’re basically saying
>Those Nazis killed so many of our Soviet countrymen so it’s okay we rape and murder their civilians too
Do you have any idea how amoral the shit you spew is?

how is this an argument? We're talking about the PTs.
don't care tbphwyf. You were a retarded kid when you liked the PT. You were a retarded """adult""" when you hated the ST.
EVERYTHING
WAS
BETTER
WHEN
YOU
WERE
12
>Because it's a fucking different era, stupid retard.
yeah because 1987 looked like the 1890s.

The whole charm of the OT is how lived in and run down the place looked. It looked like they were still using the same shit they were using 30 years ago. Jumping back 30 years to all this shiny bullshit that apparently ALL disappeared in the next 30 years, IS FUCKING GARBAGE. THATS NOT HOW TIME WORKS.
>>hurr durr why did Lucas dare to show us how the galaxy was before the Empire making use of modern technology to create settings as interesting as Coruscant or Naboo
SHINY CGI TRASHHHH
>And please don't tell me something stupid like "Naboo looks bad because of CGI".
IT LOOKS TERRIBLE BECAUSE OF CGI LMAOOOOO
>Naboo looks like a mixture of Spanish architecture
TRASHHHHHH
>nd the late drawings of Frank Lloyd Wright
I've studying FLW academically. I've been to a bunch of his houses and buildings. You're talking out of your ass.
>you illiterate imbecile.
you likely have no university education

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Nazis don’t exist in Star Wars. Poe lacks the IRL knowledge of Nazis. He likely wasn’t even alive during the Empire’s days. And with no point of reference about the FO, he decided to taunt and get civilians killed. Hostages work better alive. And why’s it ethical to kill FO technicians and indoctrinated people who are also kidnapped like Finn was? Did those guys have any say in how the FO works? On an individual level, they’re innocent.

Did you watch the OT? There were lots of clean locations like the Death Star besides the trash compactor.

>I love the prequels because r/prequelmemes! I browse it once a day! Based sheev!

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