What's the point of space movies if realistically we will never make it to other worlds

Fuck your wojaks
And fuck time travel movies
We've been able to recreate tons of things in fiction IRL, even 3D printers are the replicator from Star Trek. But time travel is literally impossible because there's no such "thing" as time
Fuck science fiction, fuck movies for getting my hopes up as a kid

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Just create a spinning black hole and use it as a wormhole

>folds a piece of paper
>pushes a pencil through it
its just that easy bro

What I was saying was that it doesn't hurt to dream. Because you don't know how engineers/scientists will be inspired by it. It's rather silly to say something will never be possible. Tell a man in the middle ages that humans will one day launch giant towers to the moon and walk on it. They'll kill you on the spot.

>he still believes light speed is the universal speed limit

Laughing at you, brainlet.

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What’s the point of reposting the same thread over and over if everyone who cares has already replied

>According to wikipedia, interstellar travel at 1G would take approximately 1 year + the distance in lightyears. Proxima Centauri (4.2 light years) for example would take 5.2 years.
>But that time is from the viewpoint of stationary observers at the departure point. The trip's duration from the traveler's viewpoint would be less due to the time dilation effect predicted by Einstein's Theory of Relativity. The greater the distance, the greater the speed from the stationary observer's viewpoint. From the stationary observer's viewpoint the traveler's rate of acceleration would slow as they approached the speed of light. The traveler would see no change between their speed and the speed of light. Instead they would experience time at an increasingly slower rate which would effectively cause the distance to the destination to become shorter.
> Due to the time dilation effect, 1G acceleration should be sufficient to travel anywhere in our galaxy in less than a lifetime from the viewpoint of the traveler, but not the stationary observer.
> For more information on the time dilation effect read Stephen Hawking's "Brief History of Time

>3D printers are the replicator from Star Trek
ouch

It literally is the case though.

>there's no such "thing" as time
how retarded can one person actually be

Made me cringe

This we will live on the sun in no time

there's no reason we shouldn't be able to if we go at night.

You can't go to the sun at night because it disappears for hours on end.

It’s just a construct of our minds, man. Do you think clocks are naturally occurring things? There is no physical property for time!

There is. It flows in one direction. In our universe at least.

This but unironically

>It flows in one direction.
Look at this guy who doesn’t know about quantum mechanics.

even in the quantum world time flows in one direction.

>Muh quantum mechanics

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post more reddit buzzwords so I can add them to my filters, redditor

oof, who hurt you?

I bet you are a lot of fun at parties, yikes.

>space exists only in two directions, guys
>i mean, look at this map

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Because we realistically could make it to other worlds if we stopped spending 80% of our resources, energy, and cultural impetus on tailoring civilization to the needs of the lowest common denominator shitbags. Colonize Mars? Why do that, we need to stuff more fried chicken into the gullet of orcs and then create a multibillion dollar medical industry backed by government resources to bail them out of their ensuing health problems for decades to come. Hard science and propulsion research in universities? No thanks, more government money for twerking videos to "celebrate the culture" and open borders foogee camps.

One day you'll put on your big boy pants and realize humanity is being held back by useless people feeding and breeding. Or maybe you won't, and the ensuing collapse coming in the next two decades will be a complete mystery to you.

because science fiction isn't actually about other worlds or aliens you absolute brainlet

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Just because you want to go into space doesn't mean everyone else does.

reddit, buzzword and redditor are buzzwords too here. I'm afraid you've gone full retard.

Just because they don't doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't be able to.

that reminds me it's time for 600 lb kino

It literally is

you tell 'em, grandpa!

When I was a kid, I used to take space exploration for granted. When I hit puberty and started to focus on my studies, I changed my mind. When most of my peers in my science classes were going full on "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENXZSE", I became far more pessimistic, and actually started looking int philosophy and religion more. Maybe it was the eternal contrarian in me, but I wanted to know "more", you know? At the same time I gave up any dreams of leaving the planet; it all seemed silly to me.

Now however, things are different. I've been studying physics at Uni for a while now, and I've done, maybe not a 180, but I've changed my mind. I'm letting go. I believe we endure. It will take tremendous sacrifices, bloodshed, and radical changes, but progress will arrive. It won't be easy, and it certainly won't be fast or like the dreams we have as children, but if we play our cards right, we can make it true. These days I consider myself an optimist, albeit a cynical one, because pessimists, by definition,never get anything done. So I'll fight and struggle and try, and maybe I'll add stretch the road to the future abit further. Or maybe we'll all die in the flames of this trashheap, drowned in niggers. No matter what though, I'm not giving up. I can't. Because apart from "going forward", I haven't managed to truly "believe" in anything. So this is the one thing that gives my life a "higher purpose". It seems materialistic, but after lots of reading and introspection, I've reached the point of "I don't know, so I might as well choose based on what I want".

I know this all seems rather naive, I get it. I look around my classes though, and I see s0ys and sellouts. Naive retards and completely ambitionless dullards. I can't be like that. Call it duty, call it ego, whatever, it doesn't matter. All we can do is try and control the course ofthe future, because there's only one direction; forward. Whatever it takes.

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Gonna be a few hundred years honestly

I don't think Yea Forums is the proper arena to convince people how time isn't real without sounding like a pothead.

nope, you csn blame the jew einstein

We don’t really know what’s realistic. Once (if) we effectively capture fusion power we’ll unlock the next level of space travel and start making our way around the solar system. After that it’s anybody’s guess honestly.

Some people are suicidal and are okay with just dying, or doing nothing until they die. Just because others don't want to live, doesn't mean I/my descendants should have to die on this rock. Earth won't last forever.

The weak minded need to die if we’re ultimately going to optimize the gene pool anyway. I don’t like how dysgenic our society has become.

Our current course as a planet is dysgenic and a swift and inevitable collapse.

> we will never make it to other worlds
The next system is just 4 lightyears away.
Lazy nigger.

sunshine was a good space movie

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How do you think clocks work, though? Or what do you think clocks are? After all, it's impossible to build a clock (in the modern sense) without there being periodic phenomena, and if we assume away time, we have to ask--periodic in what dimension?

Some people use them as buzzwords, but I don't. I've just been round here long enough to spot people who're out of place.

>what's the point of trying to build a flying machine if we're never gonna fly to another continent

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not an arguement

This is the sad reality of space travel: you build an aeroplane because it's cool, but you put a man on the moon to prove you could put an ICBM in Moscow.

OP is an enormous autistic faggot.

1g acceleration reaches 50% speed of light in about half an year
If we account for time dilation it would take you about 3.7 years, the only drawback being 8 years would have passed on Earth.

what's dialation?

So you think space travel is useless?

Yes and no, but I was talking about reality, not what I want.

yep

>what are physics
Dude we made the plane therefore anything is possible

Progress is made when people try to do seemingly impossible shit.

also see

youtube.com/watch?v=0Ap4JhPoPQY
Got that right.

This, we will eventually discover that the earth is flat, it might seem impossible but you know we did impossible shit before

Literally a religion

won't happen for centuries, probably millennia tbqh
You can IN THEORY "travel" at FTL speeds by moving the space around you, or something along those lines, kinda like in Star Trek (google "Alcubierre drive", too lazy to look it up myself), however the energies required for it are insane, IIRC it was something like taking Jupiter and turning it's mass into PURE energy just to make the drive work

i fully support this. we should stop spending money on public education, social security, and basic services like the state taking care of our roads, and take all that money and put it towards a colony on mars. who needs all that shit when we have a colony on mars

>I don't understand it so it's fake
You're a flat earth, aren't you? Don't deny it. Tell me about the firmament, bro.

Based wascaly wabbit.

Science is religion.

Colonizing the sun well I mean if you want really efficient solar powered space habitats go for it but those geo magnetic storms will be a serious problem.

AHAHAHA NIGGA HOW IS SPACE TRAVEL HARD AHAHAHA DUDE JUST FOLD SPACE LMAO JUST ENTER THE WARP HAHAHAHAHA

Brilliant one over here, space travel is useless and it's smarter to sit on a planet with finite resources and hope we go extinct before they run out instead.

Think of all the ways we could kill each other with space weapons.

No. Retrocausality is a thing at the quantum level. Things are not only nonlocal, they're nontemporal as well.

humanity pretty much has to expand past earth. if we solve the problem of the negative effects space has on the human body/genome we're good to go. no need for FTL handwavy shit or alcubierre drive. 3d printing from raw materials, fusion/antimatter energy sources, and cloning/hibernation tech is all we need to seed the galaxy, even if science limits us to things on normal human timescales. all those technologies are much more achievable than FTL or dyson sphere tech.

Could robotic ships be sent on very long journey's through space just cruising towards other stars for 100s of thousands or millions of years, then artificially inseminate and raise a payload of frozen sperm and eggs when it reaches the distant planet?

Or would the long journey through the emptiness between stars necessarily cause the ship to run out of power ?

Or would it be statistically likely that eventually at some point of 100s of thousands of years of travelling there would be some collision with fast rock that would damage the ship, or a hit of a strong blast of high energy radiation that damages something?

have scientists done back-of-envelope calculations of the feasibility of inter-stellar travel based on conventional propulsion and cruising?

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what makes you think you'll have enough fuel to accelerate for a and deccelerate for a year at the other end?

some magic fusion or antimatter drive that scoops up hydrogen from the surrounding space

Its hilarious how all it takes to convince you retards it's some shit cgi and techno blabbing

Dude I knew it.

Extremely cringe pilled we are talking about movies

Robotic Lighthuggers, it's ok if they're slow

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This is what I propose use probes that upon contact with the destination begin constructing a factory that creates synthetic humans from raw elements. These synthetic people will be the first colonist of this planet and them fucking will create the population on it.

You are a scientologist

>wanting to visit different rocks
Earf is bad enough, can't imagine wanting to go somewhere objectively worse.

Is that you, Will Hunting

There is no periodic. Our minds simply force linearity to the events. But there is no measurable distinction between then, now, and next.

Most likely event a natural disaster or biological (some virus/bacteria) is going to set us back so far and wipe out so many people its going to go back to survival mode instead of lets explore the stars.

Pretty much every convenient tech thing we take for granted was first dreamt up in Star Trek or other Sci Fi tales.

>Could robotic ships be sent on very long journey's through space just cruising towards other stars for 100s of thousands or millions of years, then artificially inseminate and raise a payload of frozen sperm and eggs when it reaches the distant planet?

Bruh. How do you think we got to Earth? Our genetic code was one of the lucky ships that crashed on a planet with an adaptable atmosphere.

I understood that pepe

Time is relative. I remember an experiment done with a couple of watches. Each watch was identical and set to the exact same time down to the nano second. Those same watches became 'out of sync' when observed in 2 different locations at once. Like say 1 was at the top of a tower while the other was at ground level. Nothing is really "real" except matter.

>it's relative so it doesn't exist

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>there is no distinction
other than it's impossible to change the order of then, now, and next

Revelation Space's lighthuggers are honestly my favourite ships in Sci-Fi. They make sense whilst being cool at the same time.

>Science is religion.
No. Maybe a philosophy... maybe.

>dude we'll just "fold space"
>lmfao just go faster than lightspeed
>wormholes bro

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We're actually not too far away from inventing a ship that could get us to Proxmia Centauri within a human lifetime

Living things being born, growing old, and dying is a mental construct as well, I suppose, as is the formation, aging, and eventual transformation or decomposition of non-living things as well as the motions of the stars, planets, and everything else in the cosmos. So everything just happens all at once, without any beginning, middle, or end in your view, is that it, you mental midget?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZGPCyrpSU

Time is an important aspect of physics retard

i assume he is cheekily getting at the facts that physics, math, etc are all just models that describe what we perceive to be reality. you have to make an assumption that all these models are actually describing extant reality as it really is but i know of no arguments that make rejecting that assumption logical.

Traveling vast distances in space becomes trivial as soon as we upgrade to artifical bodies/minds.
An AI or an artificial/augmented mind can simply go into sleep mode until it reaches the next start system.
Of course you'd have to ensure there's proper backups and shielding but it's not only doable then but you can send many missions and some of them will get there eventually.

Literally the only thing currently holding us back is our bodies being too squishy and our life expectancy being too low for such a trip.
Once we "solve" that through transhumanism the problems diminish considerably.

The propulsion is not that problematic even. They solved the thing ages ago through nuclear propulsion, the only limitation right now is that it's prohibited to use nuclear weapons in space.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail

Unironically agree with this

>retards still believe (((Einstein))) and his fellow Kike shills

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we will eventually, if we dont kill ourselves.

>distance 1917
>also light years
explain what the fuck this means

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this

R A R E

With the rapid expansion of medicine and the technological singularity, you will see FTL Travel from a functioning Alcubierre Drive during your lifetime in the next 200-250 years. This thread is full of mongoloids with passionate opinions and no brains to second guess themselves with. Mostly faggy edglord nihilists who spout the most pessimistic opinion they can think of, really.

How can you even see if you travel faster than light?

>It’s a negative energy is plausible episode

You're right, my bad. Post where your thesis paper was published, I'll look it up and educate myself.

no. how many times has humanity said "its just not possible" only for it to become possible later on?

Everyone knows negative energy is impossible.

Think more carefully. You're nearly there.

We know it's pretty easy to conquer the galaxy with even sublight rapid expansion technology. Self-replication is pretty strong.

What do we do with the vast amount of resources we found? We're making matrioshka brains, converting entire planets to computronium. What do we do with them?

LARP as our ancestors living in a single, scarce world. We go back to a time of conflict, struggle, emotion and humanity. Endless galactic expansion is boring, so we play games to burn time. We are playing games now.

How hard is it to believe that the expansion-phase has already happened?

>to go to Mars you must first be anarcho-libertarian
I remember when I was twelve

The difference being the species' survival becomes guaranteed once outside of the solar system. Who the fuck cares what happens after that? Remaining on Earth means extinction is 100% likely.

this is a real shit game my character is playing, my player is a fucking sadist or a masochist

If the singularity is real then it's possible it could happen by 2100

>PURE energy

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Well think about it. Either we are doomed to fail, or we are in a simulation.

Say a post-scarcity civilization could (and probably would) make a trillion simulations. It's more likely that we're one of these 'fake' civilizations than the original.

OR:

It's nearly impossible to leave the solar system, there is a great filter that wipes everything out.

Time is matter moving through space. That's literally all 'time' is. Any attempt at describing that simple phenomena is just a series of language games.

>, IIRC it was something like taking Jupiter and turning it's mass into PURE energy just to make the drive work
Recent maths reduced that amount to the total power required to run the Voyager space probe. The actual problem isn't the energy. The problem is how you fold space. The only way to do that is with "exotic matter", something ultra-dense and portable. You can see where this is going. Anyone have a neutron star or black hole in their pocket we can scoop a quarter sized amount out of?

Realistically the issue isn't that it wouldn't work, it's that you basically have to already be in space in order to have FTL.

So we need to find a way to reduce the size of a particle accelerator

>there is a great filter that wipes everything out.
The "great filter" is already described here Most of the planet is fat hedonistic retards that care only about pussy, money, and feeling good. Higher goals than these do not exist, and once you go down the genetics rabbit hole, can not exist. Malthus wasn't wrong, we merely kicked the can down the road. The mass-flooding of technologically advanced nations with non-productive aliens will ensure that technology stagnates, ie: the road comes to an abrupt end very soon.

No computer sims for you.

Most space movies post 1980 have been about globalist propaganda, basic action adventure entertainment, or religious allegory. These things are all relevant to most viewers even if the particulars they cover aren't feasible.

Couldn't the same argument be made for Fantasy? Or any Sci-fi? Or any reasonably unrealistic fiction? Why space movies specifically? I don't see the point of calling any story telling pointless because of it being unrealistic.

>it's going to take the voyager space craft 16,666 light years to make it 1 fucking light year away from earth

why did we even bother

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You have to find a way of generating said "exotic matter" in a safe manner, contain it, then use it in a manufacturing process to create a working engine. All of that is essentially impossible right now, the technology isn't there yet. Likewise, we can create antimatter right now. Just not in any appreciable amounts, not in any financially sane manner, and we have no real way of containing it except crude magnets.

That's a relatively short timespan.

>not realizing AI will figure all this out for us in 30 years

No we need a bigger one like the Earth's gravity well in diameter to be precise.

I don't think the great filter can be something so simple that we can understand it and plan against it.

Even if what you say is true, Japan, China and North Korea will probably survive a demographic apocalypse. North Korea alone could rebuild world civilization, they were the 10th nation into space.

And think if things went differently! If Hitler won WW2, if Napoleon won, if decolonisation never took off, if Christianity never took off...

The Great Filter cannot be an accident of history, basically government unwillingness to compel high-IQ people to reproduce. There's no reason why some alien technocracy wouldn't do that.

If it exists, it will be something so devastating that not even one in a trillion worlds survive.

I've always been there, m8. If you suddenly become God, what would you do? You already are and have everything. The only thing yo ure missing is experience.

Humanity is the universe's way of experiencing itself. I'm not fond of the simulation theory though, feels mundane.

What's the point in colonizing other worlds if it's just going to be as shitty, but just more people to experience the shittiness. Like why the fuck not just limit births so the population stays steady and there's enough resources for everyone that is born to live comfortably. At this rate in not even 50 years the imbalance is going to be so bad the death rate is going to match the birth rate due to fucking sickness and starvation.

This. The great filter is niggers.

>wanting the bars of the cage of existence to be even more obvious
no thanks

>yfw

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I just don't understand why we would just let ourselves get so fucking overcrowded and run into the problems we have, and the problems we know we'll have by continuing down this route of just allowing every retard to breed. What good is existence if it fucking sucks. There may be more to life than just having a good time, I'm not talking about a completely hedonistic society, but just one that isn't creating problems for itself.

The lights aboard the spaceship are traveling faster than FTL.

a true new yorker would just get up and move, fuck being next to people you don't need to be if the train isn't crowded

Of course we can, let me show you.
See these two dots on the piece of paper? They are very far away in space, it would take thousands of years to reach one from another even at the fastest speeds.
However, if we fold the piece of paper like this:
Suddenly, the two points are touching!
I know this is very complicated but I hope this simple analogy has helped you understand ;)

with current technology we can colonize the entire galaxy in 250-350 millions years

why the fuck would we do that

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so they can stay here

that's a pretty shitty thesis paper, user

Science (and Sci Fi, which is taken as gospel for whatever reason) is the new religion.
SCIENCE BROs have just replaced the clouds and pearly gates with strange worlds and space stations. But otherwise, it's the same thing. They believe one day suffering on Earth will end, and they will get to live in peace forever, never having to work again, never having to suffer again.
What's more, science bros hope they will live to see it.

we'll get there eventually

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black holes and wormholes are two different things

Why do our minds force it to exist? If concepts arise from the material world, ie sensory experience, there must be a material property that creates the perception of time. However it is only with the concept of time that we can perceive change. So which is it? Does observing change lead us to perceive time, or is time perception a priori knowledge.

Just because you're too much of a brainlet to comprehend a way of achieving FTL travel doesn't mean it isn't possible if not even plausible, brainlet.

you could probably do it in a generation ship. problem with those is you have finite space to store things such as parts for when your ship eventually breaks and needs to be repaired. like you'd need a dozen ships' worth of parts to make sure the whole thing doesn't go tits up bit by bit over the however-many centuries it took you to get where you're going. this is not to mention some idiot getting SPACE MADNESS and pushing the big red button or your society going full Pandorum.

>You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks? I have no time for such nonsense.

why do I feel like I recognize that topographic map