Oh no no no
he may be right but it's empirically true that women rate most men below average or, at the very least, higher tier men get disproportionately larger shares of sex. There may not be an agreed upon cutoff but the trend exists.
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Oh for sure, I think the issue today is that you either have people outright denying it or completely believing theres only two options without other things taken into consideration.
Clearly Adam is wrong and everyone knows it. Adam also claims sex and gender are different.
Adam sounds like a beta, and I'm an insecure introverted fag.
So Adam is gay right?
cry more incels. the guy can get more pussy, dick or whatever else he craves than any of you every will.
This is such bullshit. Rogan is 100% correct.
In animals you're beta for life. In humans you're beta and then you just work out a lot and suddenly you're alpha. Nice science bros.
>a beta male says there is no such thing as alphas
the amount of COPE lmao
dick in his case, good for him
>a literal beta talking to an alpha about how there are no alphas and betas
lol this is a great comedy. He only thinks this because he really does not want to believe it. What a betta cuck
Are you telling me that my Yea Forums meme biology is overly simplistic and not entirely accurate?
Reminder every single one of us are Omega
Betas are also leaders, but second to true alphas.
Real alphas are the type of people making millions of dollars and controlling large portions of omegas with the assistance of beta males trying to become alpha, so CEOs, politicians, etc.
The beta alpha male dynamic does not exist in dating, it's a myth. It's a social power structure, not about sex and getting females.
It's about leadership. Period. If you're the man in the group that's willing to make decisions when others won't, the man willing to lead the way for others to follow, and the man others look to to legitimize a decision, then you're the alpha in your group.
Just because you aren't an alpha in one group, doesn't mean you're not alpha in another. In SoF, good infantry and airborne infantry, the entire leadership chain are "alpha" dudes, despite the fact that they serve in subordinate roles to each other.
Wait, is the old guy on tranquilizers the alpha?
Rogan is actually wrong here.
Not all men prefer hourglass figure over anything else.
I'm willing to bet the majority of men don't even consider an hour-glass shape as criteria.
Next thing he'd say is that all men are attracted to huge asses (black fetish) or big breasts (we all know from here that's not true).
>Reminder every single one of us are Omega
Speak for yourself.
he's wearing a B for beta jacket. anyone else see this?
No one who's ever claimed to be an alpha fits their own definition of the term, so that's enough to make me doubt the whole thing.
literally the top youtube comment
UMM ACKCHUALLY
Alpha and beta are terms originally used to describe the unnatural behavior of wolves in captivity. In nature the pack leaders are usually the two mating pairs, the parents in other words. There is no competition for dominance. However, throw groups of wolves together at random and you get highly aggressive and volatile behavior as the group has to decide who the 'parents' are. These terms came to be used incorrectly for humans.
There's a "biological imprint" normal dudes share, but it varies by dude, I'm sure. I love some real woman bosoms and hips, but not the disgusting fat shit you see the black dudes go for. Skinny chicks are alright, but they don't appeal as much as a good curvy broad. I remember just always loving hips and boobs ever since I was a little kid, and so did my friends.
>So Adam is gay right?
That's what I thought, but he has a girlfriend.
Rogan is the epitome of misinformed, dudebro science that proclaims anecdote and generalization as fact.
Does DMT make you alpha?
If you take onnit supplements you're automatically a beta
i noticed people with foot fetish are usually beta. very beta
It makes you a true blue omega male. An outsider, seen as scum by the majority of society. A degenerate druggie
>5'6 baldlet joe rogan thinks he's alpha
Well he definitely gets pegged at the very least.
Probably would be in your group.
its fine if people want to use these categories as social things, but acting as if any of it is based in biology or science is pretty retarded
>empirically true
It is? Source?
>All that downvoting and brigading in the comments
Shut the fuck up you beta bitch
If the majority of men don't follow your 'biological imprint', who's to say that your imprint isn't the variation rather than the norm?
And even if it were the norm at some point in time, norms change. When humans first evolved from apes, what do you think the original norm was? Probably something more akin to female gorillas.
Thing is, a lot of us grew up watching Bruce Timm cartoons so none of us can really say we have an objective opinion.
Hour-glass figure is remnant of the '50s.
The old fertility goddess were pear shaped, not hour-glass.
Should tell you all you need to know about evolving preferences of sexual selection.
Typical overcompensation. All this alpha/beta dichotomy always come from frustrated peoples (Yea Forums, niggers with daddy issues etc).
why dont you come over here and shut me up, handsome
>hey beta male is there such a thing as alphas or beta males
>expecting anything other than damage control and cope
NO, women DO NOT like tall muscular guys ok!
BEAUTY IS SUBJECTIVE!
Why are self-described alpha males so sensitive, anyways?
>Alpha means tall and muscular
What did Joe Rogan mean by this?
alpha is a personality type meaning competitive and agressive. they are great leaders
betas is a personality type meaning weak and cooperative.
the problem with liberal men is they don't understand the value of competitiveness which is why they are socialists. Not understanding the value of agression makes you a beta. factual
"huh actuallly short skinny guys are very imposing and irresistable too"
Why does Joe repress his homosexuality?
>Alpha defined by looks
Years of bullying.
that quarterback/d&d nerd thing was beyond retarded. we all know who is most likely to get more ass. does he think being really good at dungeon and dragons makes him more attractive to women just because he's really good at it? lmao wtf
>"a climate change denier will always deny climate change no matter what evidence you show him.. now if you excuse me I need to deny that alphas exist despite all the evidence saying they do"
this dude has zero self awareness
>its not the clip of him talking about BLACKED dicks with tom papa
I think the people who believe in the alpha/beta dictotomy are just on the spectrum, they want to be able to easily categorize people and have a strict set of standards they have to achieve. Obviously everyone else realizes that arbitrarily dividing the entire male population into two categories is stupid.
Most men prefer voluptuous women, internet communities like this place have a disproportionate amount of pedos
There is no evidence though, that's the point. It's junk science
This guy gets it
You kinda answer your own question senpai
>There is no evidence
get out of the basement some time, interact with people
look at the decades-long carefully curated image he made for himself
>im a nebbish smart guy
he needs this, ok. I noticed his biggest pet peeve (the thing he repeats) is "women saying they like alphas"
Big breasts being considered attractive is also a recent thing in the Western world.
Interact with some biologists and anthropologists instead of just autists.
I want to talk about epistemological habits for a minute. By that I mean habits the mind forms in or for acquiring and processing knowledge. Minds form habits much like bodies do, through repetition. A process that has taken place once is that much more likely to happen again. These habits take the form of general tendencies, NOT directly linked with any specific idea, concept, or "content," manifest or latent. A mind that tends to jump to conclusions tends to jump to conclusions about any topic presented to it. That's how tendencies work. One of the most dangerous tendencies I see when I look at today's epistemological climate is a compulsive overreliance on categorization. By that I don't mean the use or abuse or any specific category or even set of categories. I mean the compulsive-seeming tendency to categorize as such, the tendency to the *act* of categorization.
To put it more bluntly: people are obsessed with figuring out what things ARE. What category does it belong to? Is it this, or this? The tendency to form categories, like the tendency to form oppositions, is a natural inclination or movement of the human mind. Trying to fight "categories" as a concept is about as useful as waging an imaginary war against "binary oppositions." So, not at all. That said: the mind has many such instinctual or habitual movements, but we tend to prioritize and emphasize certain ones over others. Which habits of mind we acquire and prioritize has a lot to do with education and socialization, that is, with ideology.
explain this then
that is a prehistoric figure of fertility which probably doesnt mean it was their figure of sexual interest, only a exageration of flesh, meat, life, fatness etc
I'd define alpha as someone who knows what he wants and get his goal with minimum effort. All this "Alpha must be athletic and handsome and agressive!" is homosexual projection desu
I think the obsession with categories corresponds to a certain ideology of knowledge and a certain set of ideological interests. All of us *tend* to categorize, but who are those who *need* to categorize, and who need to make everyone else categorize the same way? Mostly the people who want to evaluate, to determine, to distinguish, to separate, to include or exclude. Categories, along with Being as essence and a fetish for Truth, are the obsession of two groups: those who sell, and those who police. You need to know what a thing is if you want to determine its value or exchange it for another thing that is either alike or different. And you need to know what a thing is if you have a group of things (say, people) and you want to know which is in and which is out.
Again: everyone categorizes; everyone makes oppositions. But in which contexts and social formations does a tendency become a necessity? This is the sense in which we can speak of epistemology as historical, contingent: it involves the material determination of tendencies. I'm not asking you to stop using categories or to stop making generalizations for convenience. But pay attention when you start to INSIST. How often does a conversation get derailed by an ultimately irrelevant discussion over whether something belongs in Group A or Group B? What are the situations in which you find yourself insisting on a name or a label when it really doesn't matter? And why do you do that?
You realize you just helped prove his point, right?
Its called reification. Look into it.
cringe, grow up
>Next thing he'd say is that all men are attracted to huge asses (black fetish) or big breasts (we all know from here that's not true).
It’s absolutely true unless you’re a beta faggot.
I'm sure Harvey Weinstein is more sexy than the poolboy who fucked his wife
>wait are you REALLY saying that NOT ALL WOMEN are attracted to strong, athletic men
b-but i lift so hard bro.... f-fcuk that beta faggot... damn joe really got that beta bitch haha!!
Joe Rogan fans are obsessive weirdos who revere some stoner comedian. Not alpha at all.
This man sucks more dicks that ANY of you!
FAGGOTS!
Though I still prefer the other post, thanks for this sauce looks interesting.
I'm more of the thought that H/W ratio is an evolutionary thing but the variables do change over time as culture, environment and the era influences the norms. Anyway I'll attempt to read this
Who are the most powerful men in the world? It's not the meatheads who are in the gym all day.
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
they buy women, it has nothing to do with how they look
adam is retarded
and beta
So many triggered betas in here lool!!
then """alpha""" is just a shitty synonym for being confident. and being confident doesn't necessarily make you better or smarter
Studies that support this? How do you know we aren’t just socialized to categorize things?
Joe really is a dumbass for not realizing he would attract a huge reactionary audience by constantly having people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro on etc. I wonder if he regrets it at all or just doesn't care because his audience is bigger than ever.
>people think there's a difference between alphas and betas in the age of guns
No he didn't, retard
>then """alpha""" is just a shitty synonym for being confident
No, it's not. Learn to read
t. omega sheep
Why ask the question is something real if you just go "LOL YOU JUST DENYING TRUTH". You just desperate for another person to agree with you at this point
everyone replying after this post is a beta
>t. incel
betas are scared to pull a trigger and take a life so yeah there's still a difference.
OH NONONONONONO LOOK AT THIS FAT MANLET AND LAUGH AHAAHAHAHAHA
bro it's at least 80% looks
same goes for women
Alpha = First
Beta = Second
Omega = Last
If you're alpha, you're a girl's first choice.
If you're beta you're secondary.
If you're omega you're a socially shunned incel that will never get a girl.
Do you really believe deviations in social dynamics can be boiled down to existence of guns? This is even more nonsensical than the alpha/beta dichotomy in the first place, lol.
>bro it's at least 80% looks
no, it's not. It's an social status
He's dying on such a weird hill with the whole "men don't necessarily want to fuck women with big boobs" thing. It's much more basic than that.
Alphas don't exist because human relationships are too complex and multifaceted. We're not a tribe of hunters where the guy who hunts the best is the best at the only relevant thing that anyone can do.
Chad Thundercock is going to dunk at the club and sports, obviously, but the average "beta" is going to do just fine at a business conference or a hobbyist convention. Chad just has a wider range because more people tend to enjoy sports and general social interaction to the more acute presentations of where "Beta"s can be confident and dominate a social sphere.
Alphas and betas are a situational role. I guess you could say that statistically some people are more alpha more of the time -- but then there's also something to be said for people who have a skill at only inserting themselves in situations where they get to be top dog.
The flip side of this is that sometimes people cling to hard, and you get a sad person who only pays attention to their glory days and is a highschool football coach.
DOES THIS CUNT THINK HE'S DAVID LETTERMAN?
THE crew, the walk, the production. Don't be that cunt.
This. The richest person in the world is a bald manlet.
1. The original science is bunk. There are no alpha or beta wolves.
2. There is some truth that some males are more macho and confident than others.
3. But it's not as rigid as the alpha/beta dichotomy.
4. You can improve your social skills and become more confident.
How hard is that?
Adam is relatively articulate but he's making fallacious analogies. He's right that a common criticism of evolutionary psychology is a backwards interpretation of causality, but the attraction to specific features (especially in women) is well-documented and well-established for humans and other species with the causality that Rogan is implying.
What planet are you living on, exactly?
Betas have been pulling the trigger for a decade now, it's on the fucking news every week.
>Adam sounds like a beta, and I'm an insecure introverted fag.
It's because he's an insecure introvert and a fag in the non literal sense. He shockingly has a girlfriend, but he's a girly little man. He also has big stage frieight and is terrified of shows. Always a big nerdy kid.
I don't understand, how is a man with a successful show and a girlfriend who's willing to speak his mind "beta" while the incel watching him on a podcast and getting angry is "alpha"
Call me when you spawn a Chris Elliot.
You're on the right track in terms of reasoning.
>ITT: beta C O P E
this is exactly like those 600kg landwhales saying that scales are sexist and that you can be 'healthy at any size'
you dirty millennials make a man seek a solar flair.
I actually think its a good talk. Adam's not too smug and they both make good points
His GF is pretty cute.
So maybe Letterman in the 80's was perfect.
CAN'T BEAT IT, CHANGE THE GAME?
Adam got reckt
>this is exactly like those 600kg landwhales saying that scales are sexist and that you can be 'healthy at any size'
Not really. Women are far more dependent on their physical attributes than men are.
Did you even watch the video? They were having a discussion, not a raging argument.
>actually, according to my data women aren’t actually attracted to tall, athletic males. Ask some guys in lab coats they will tell you why that’s wrong
Get the FUCK out and go back to r/ifuckinglovescience
who said that?
Hierarchies don't exist guys, everyone is equal and should feel okay
>this guy that's more successful than I'll ever be just by talking to people is overcompensating and frustrated
This has to be the worst case of cope I've ever seen.
hE WAS PERFECT THOUGH
>2. There is some truth that some males are more macho and confident than others.
How is this not an absolute truth?
I wasnt aware people thought there was a binary description of males social status.
Seems retarded.
That sounds like a beta male. Anyone that's paying attention to him will immediately notice the flaming faggot aesthetic. They'll pick up on that he's straight (flamers have a practiced, almost dancer like grace to their movements, Adam is a clumsy oaf in terms of body language), but wildly docile and insecure. Anything he says will obviously come from a land of insecurity, which is why people don't really take anything he says about social hierarchies seriously. The more you listen to him, the more you realize how much of a jealous jealous man Adam is.
I'm with you on this one, but the guy in your pic looks like shit.
Does it really matter though? I've come to realize that success is more important than being alpha, beta or in between. It solves literally all of your problems and you don't have to worry about a thing.
>I'm willing to bet the majority of men don't even consider an hour-glass shape as criteria.
Only a true faggot would even MANAGE to believe such a stupid thing..
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you 24-7: "is she into me or just the money"
Some guys are more alpha and some are more beta. What's the argument against this?
Which Rothschild do you mean?
Sound argument, but not everyone cares.
>Most men prefer voluptuous women
Even if that were true, which is doubtful, you're making the same mistake Rogan with his stance. What constitutes a 'voluptuous' woman? People have very different ideas of what a voluptuous woman for them entails. And even then is something like a voluptuous body a stronger than other factors, like submissive personality, proportionate head to body ratio, distance between eyes etc.
Huge asses are gross. You can keep your Nicki Minaj's and Kim Kardashians.
Only supports my argument.
Maybe yes, maybe no. But then why are there no figurines from that period that adhere to our modern day hourglass figure? You'd think that something like a figure of sexual interest would be a prime model to base a figurine on, even if it were for a prehistoric man to jack off to.
I honestly rate faces over bodies.
For example that chick in your figure, I'd take someone with a more attractive face than hers any day.
>(((Comedian))) from New York thinks leftist agenda is science
You can just tell he hangs out with liberal elitists who just spend all day agreeing with each other. You can practically hear the shit other people have said to him come out of his mouth.
This is just a shitshow. The guest is for sure getting cucked.
People who deny the evolutionary aspect of our behavior are morons. There is always female selection pressure which results in a hierarchy of males. Truth is, while alpha and beta are relative terms based on culture and enviroment, there are traits which are desirable in pretty much every human culture: strength, stature, confidence, etc. That's why some males are more "alpha" than others.
The problem is people thinking in binary terms, as if you are either alpha or beta
>women determining what's alpha and beta
beta logic
Yeah, it's a bit retarded
>"women are more attracted to muscular men because muscular men can protect them better"
Meanwhile, a skinny nerd with a gun could fend off dozens of ripped chads
Its the bonobo effect. Feminism and social media have created incels. A big meaty part of the curve of men have no choices.
>Not really.
It is. It's exactly like that.
>Some guys are more alpha and some are more beta. What's the argument against this?
Post body
Any man can achieve confidence (peak performance of capability), though some men are wired to achieve & maintain it longer than others.
Paul McCartney vs. Brian Wilson, you know.
>The old fertility goddess were
...big hips, big tits.
Exactly what I said.
I'm not putting this guy in my recommended videos. Just tell me the argument.
>There is always female selection pressure which results in a hierarchy of males
That means that females are ultimate alphas
>"Sean Hannity doesn't believe in climate change".
>"Really?"
"Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm actually not sure if that's true so instead of trying to say something false and pass it off, slandering someone else, we'll just create a different strawman, an unnamed strawman".
Reminder: Trannies, liberals, gays and women are LITERALLY being GUNNED DOWN in the STREETS every DAY by NEO-NAZI GANGS.
hot bitches are hot period
>I'm a total lazy piece of shit TELL ME THE ARGUMENT SO I DON'T HAVE TO GET IT FROM THE SOURCE
>agressive
NO. It doesn't mean "agressive", that's just woman think...and beta think. A man telling a woman no is "aggression" to them...same for beta fags.
Timestamp? I don't want to listen to this guy longer than I have to.
A beta nerd would shake so bad he'd drop the gun or be a pacifist or some shit and die first anyway.
This thread reeks of omega incel
Delete this.
>unscientific idea
fucking dropped. reddit retards have no brains
How so?
>a skinny nerd with a gun could fend off dozens
NO he can´t.
Shooting a proper gun is hard work, doing it competently even harder.
A fit body invariably influences the mind, hardening it. To put it in simple words.
A scrawny of fat nerd will just flail around in panic, hitting everything but the chads approaching.
And Yea Forums was telling me the alphas were frustrated.
The alpha/beta thing was actually the thing he was most right on, but still half wrong.
Just wait until that faggot gets going later in the podcast, then you'll have some real shit to bitch about.
Theyre just words stolen from zoology hamfisted to apply to some human traits.
My body won't make the other guy look better or worse than he already does.
If it makes you feel any better, he looks good for anglo standards.
Like 17 minutes in.
Explain how the school shooters pull it off then?
That situation never presents itself. It's about bring calm in social and life changing situations. To be calm you have to be able to make choices and protect the woman's interests. This usually means being in shape.
He's so objectively wrong, just because they hired some "experts" that are prob Neo Marxists.
>Makes an episode dealing with how men are stereotyped by generic sitcoms
>Chooses Tim Allen's Home Improvement dad as a template, an example who is actually not that dumb and is fairly competent.
>Ignores the countless bumbling retard, ineffectual dads
Do these people think they are being subtle?
What he said was hourglass figure, meaning big breasts, SMALL WAIST, big hips. It's a relationship of a ratio. Since the statue has a huge belly you can't actually tell if it has a small waist, or if that's even a requirement.
And because you can't see the waist to hip ratio you can't say if the hips are meant to be big or small in comparison, or if they are even considered to be big.
In any case it's the polar opposite of an hourglass figure. What is depicted is known as pear-shaped figure, and a fat one by modern (even American) standards.
>These terms came to be used incorrectly for humans.
anyone who tries to apply the metaphor of another species to humans is retarded to begin with.
This stupid faggot compares female friendships to male ones, sees male friendships are not like the female ones, and then decides they are not as meaningful.
F A G G O T A L E R T
Psychotropic "prescription" drugs.
EVERY SINGLE ONE was on meds.
Bet ya didn´t know that one, buster.
Also they were all young and fit, been a while for you, eh?
alphas are usually political geniuses that know how to reward who keeps them in power longest. they say shot callers in prison are usually unassuming, very manipulative, quiet dudes. more littlefinger than ned stark
The problem with this alpha vs. beta debate is that these two men are genuinely dumb and have no idea how to properly form a point. In the animal kingdom alpha vs. beta is virtually exclusively based on physical traits because that has a direct impact on evolution. These animalistic desires are still coded in humans, but it no longer applies to us on an evolutionary level on the same scale that it does with animals. Yeah, Stacy might want to get deep dicked by Chad Thundercock, but ultimately she’s going to pursue the financial security that will give her children the best tools to advance through society. The point that this even faggier version of James Corden was attempting to make is that physical desire no longer directly correlates with evolutionary desire because humans evolved to a point in which physical power is no longer our only form of currency. In modern society some scrawny nerd working at Google is more alpha than some yoked bouncer making 30k/yr. Also, Joe Rogan is gay.
Way to out yourself as a virgin user.
Just like with most "science" that gets pushed down the tubes at Colleges as their propaganda depots. Psychology has been hijacked to backup people who are trans with branches of non-scientific psychology.
The scary thing is that if this continues for a few more decades fake science will pretty much eclipse any real non-political science that was done in the past, and the those who control the internet will be able to hide it.
If you do google searches on black crime and things like that - even though it hasnt' changed much since the 70's it's a lot harder to find it online as a source than it used to be.
>flat chest
>proportions of a man
Not hourglass.
And even if you found one that matched modern beauty standards, bet you they're carved within a few thousand years at most.
It pisses me off when both liberals or conservatives rail against and rage against a society from the 80s or before, like that was 40 fucking years ago. It's just a cheap argument tactic.
men prefer proportionate bodies
>4minutes in
>strawman slavery argument
had to pause here but that's the holocaust argument in america isn't it? drop slavery and everybody is tip toeing around disagreeing
Beta and alpha is for dumb animals, not humans
Grow the fuck up and have sex Yea Forums
>young
Alright, got me there.
>fit
You and me have a different understanding of fit. Elliot alone looks like he could be killed by a sneeze.
>Also they were all young and fit, been a while for you, eh?
Way to make your semi-argument look like complete shit. Be less emotional next time.
HOW DARE YOU PUT PRESSURE ON ME TO BE SOMETHING THAT RESEMBLES A MAN
FUCK YOU ROGAN, YOU NAZI ENABLER
Looks Greek or Roman, definitely too much Man-boy "love" going on in those places.
You can make good arguments for slavery, that doesn't make it right
>The free labor is needed for a working economy.
There, that's an argument that makes sense for something that is objectively wrong. Adam is a dumb faggot for saying "That's the same argument that people used to defend [EVIL THING THAT HAPPENED A VERY LONG TIME AGO]". You can do that for anything.
You'd be changing your tune when your waifu is completely mogged by someone with a pretty face.
"fucking a lot is beta actually, being a gay nerd is ultra macho"
Is this why its most visible/popular proponent is the most successful podcaster of all time as well as the greatest interviewer of his time/at the moment. As Alex Jones said "the modern-day Johnny Carson" or something to that effect, and it's true. He speaks from everyone to presidential candidates to Elon Musk to MMA fighters, you name it. He's a really important figure in our culture and doing good work
Joe is being pretty decent in this one. This is the gold standard for liberal bubble leftie who hangs out with women, is written for by women, meets someone who actually exists in reality.
>Hey Jamie, pull up that video of the chimp on DMT.
>meets someone who actually exists in reality
They both exist in reality, brainlet.
>have sex
That´s the WHOLE FUKN POINT of this fucking discussion ya tranny fuk!
Go dilate by ramming that dildo in your face.
It's funny how fucking terrible his arguments are. There's nothing to them and you can tell he's just repeating shit he hears at faggy dinner parties in Manhattan.
Adam just admit you're a beta and criteriums for attraction exist outside random social influence
>does it matter though?
Is that what you tell the man in the mirror?
>Purposefully obtuse interpretation
You know exactly what was said, brainlet. I'd call you Adam, but that's a brainlet argument.
And you're just moving goalposts with no regard of what the initial argument even was about.
Look at the small breasts of that statue.
Where are the big kahunas? Where's the small waist? Where's the huge ass?
Not even remotely hourglass.
That body looks tight, and for that exact reason it's why Rogan's argument was wrong.
>school shooters tend to be depressed
>depressed people tend to be prescribed antidepressants
Color me shocked
I bet you believe doctors used to give women orgasms to treat hysteria as well
>umm since Revenge of the Nerds wasn't based in reality, there is no such thing as superior and inferior male and women have no preference for choosing mates
Is this what onions boys tell themselves
she has noticeable protruding breasts, a small waist, engorged hips, healthy fat distribution, a youthful appearance
Do they exist in the same way wolves and gorillas have alphas? No. But if you deny there's a status hierarchy or that women are attracted to sucessful masculinity you're a fucking grug brain. Which Joe is.
Way to generalize a statement I made about a very specific question.
I guess you didn't get the point.
When you're on top, it doesn't matter if you're alpha, beta, omega, gama, delta or any other mental construct. You've already made it.
You could be a 7" quarterback and get cucked by some Danny Devito stereotype simply because the latter has more power in society.
The romans didn't think slavery was inherently wrong so it's clearly not objectively wrong. The rest of your argument is therefore invalid.
Money doesnt matter as much as looks even today. The idea that tech guys working at google have more smv than some chad 9/10 who works sales somewhere is just false. Alpha vs beta dichotomy is almost all down to looks. Women might sometimes go for money, but they will not be attracted to the man, she wants looks.
Where did I even talk about women?
If you look at that sculpture and the first thing popping into your head is gay sex, I have bad news for you.
There are alpha and beta, but the conversation always leaves out a large group of men; gammas. Men who reject the beta status but cannot attain alpha status. They are dangerous people.
A gamma is the guy who will fuck your wife when you're out of town.
Gammas are prey on the weak; children or intoxicated women.
Gammas think that the world owes them something; Elliot Rodgers.
Gammas force girls to watch them jack off into potted plants.
Gammas buy a million trinkets to show off false feathers of alpha status to women.
Gammas are the snakes in the grass.
Beta males just accept it or never gave a shit in the first place, settle with whatever girl they can get and live happy lives. But beta males are dying and gamma is replacing them, and society is dying for it.
Alpha males are also dying out. "Toxic masculinity" and such is an attack on alpha males. It's becoming socially unacceptable to be a chad. Women are flocking to retard IQ men because they act on instinct and don't give a fuck about what's "socially acceptable".
BETA MALE
AMAZIN
Yes we get it you're gay.
>(black fetish)
low test detected
>b-but's it's the waist proportion
>>/lgbt/
You have your own board, quit shitting up our threads with your homojealousies.
>It's because he's an insecure introvert
No he's not. He's an eccentric, annoying loud faggot. Literally the opposite
>alphas are usually political geniuses
No, that would be sociopaths, not "alphas".
So you (this one by omission)
admit that mood altering drugs have an influence on stressful performances, like shooting.
A fit body obviously does influence the mind too.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
She looks like she just went through puberty.
Those breasts are also pre-pregnancy.
Congrats you just helped prove men of the past liked jailbait.
Not even close to hourglass.
Look at this pic and compare it to It's not even close.
Now to posit that ALL men prefer the picture I linked and that's an even BIGGER leap in logic.
Based. Proud Gamma here.
It's true, we will rule society pretty soon.
This dood could shampoo and condition his leg hair.
Do you even know what hourglass means ffs.
>Open mic talks
Is this a good joke, bros?
>Pretend to start forgetting my next joke
>Pull out piece of paper
>"I didn't think I'd need this but here we are".
>Read "I'm so sorry, Mom and Dad, if you're reading this you've found my body".
>Wide eye into the audience, try to hold it as long as possible.
ok
The world is about probability, not absolutes.
What shape does this look like to you?
The wives of those men are fucking their tall, dark, handsome personal trainers on the side.
See
>I have bad news for you
You mean I´m biting the bait and shitposting with an obvious pedo?
Yeah, that sux.
Stop replying to niggers, or worse, whites with nigger tastes who only watch porn.
theres actually a greater difference now that physical strength is out of the equation (almost). big betas could at least beat up an alpha, but the real alpha is that psychotic, manipulating type of guy like charles manson
Quit responding to the faggots in this thread trying to shit it up with their bullshit.
It's one of those few times that Joe is right.
All you're saying is a physically stronger guy would fare better in a combat situation. Goes without saying, but that's not the point.
The point is, it doesn't take much to pick up a gun and shoot someone.
A cucked incel can go outside right now and shoot a chad and there's nothing the latter could do about it, despite all of his genetic advantages.
Dead silent
*cough*
One guy in the back chuckles
Don't give up your day job user.
>fare better in a combat situation. Goes without saying, but that's not the point.
Wrong.
That´s EXACTLY my point the whole time.
And by now I´m pretty fed up anyway with this so called discussion in this dumb thread.
Why are the nerds in Yea Forums so invested in the idea that alphachads are superior to them?
Ok.
Rogan has been mogged by every man he's ever met, including the ever flaming duo of Bryan and SCHWAUB
So what is a physically capable man going to do when he is being shot a from a distance?
>my tastes in women are the objective standard
>anyone who doesn't share them exactly is a gay pedo
>here's a surgically-retooled barbie to prove my point
No, you're a repressed faggot who sees gay shit in everything. Your taste in women is shit because it's compensatory, not organic.
It pushes the fault for their utter failure and embarrassment of a life unto others.
Unironically it's the same mentality that SJW's have.
>Anyone trying to defend achstually Adam
Holy shit, go the fuck back to twitter retards.
Rectangle if she were standing facing the front.
Proportions are not exaggerated enough to be hourglass.
It's pathetic, it's literally just like being a proud cuck.
>"Ooooh, Chad, please show that hot girl what being fucked by an alpha is like."
This is the sad reality. Half of the people in this thread will slave away their entire lives to appear more "alpha" and get no results while some unsuspecting average guy will make something of himself and land a woman.
Even worse is the legion of followers that think that he cares about them. Some new breed of podcast cuckholdry going lately.
they're real and im alpha
The only objectively correct post in this entire cucked thread.
Wew lad.
cope
Just a reminder to all you Alpha Chads posting about based Adam that all of your waifus got absolutely HARVESTED by the true Alpha og Hollywood Hills.
It's indisputable that there's make sociosexual hierarchy. Adam is probably Beta or Gamma.
>Joe: Well theres athletic confident males and shy introverted anxious males, and theres a scale
>Fag: uhm i don't think so
adam is actually retarded, isnt he?
>Adam thinks baseball isn't popular because all his libshit friends like basketball more.
>"A website went around and asked other liberals in a big city if they could name baseball players"
>"isn't it crazy they couldn't?"
B U B B L E
Like you literally can't argue otherwise or you become a flat earther retard.
Embrace freedom like I have, and you won't have to cope anymore either.
This and SEETHING are when you know you've lost the argument.
Ironically, the person using COPE and SEETHING are the ones coping and seething.
Which is more powerful though?
But the fucking point is that its a generalization you god damn idiot. Nobody is saying you have to like tits and ass.
cope
Dude, the guys in the lab coats have already studied this. You’re wrong
The men that bribe them.
>beta male claims the alpha/beta dynamic doesn't exist because he knows he is beta: the clip
It's settled science!
>umm since humans dropped sexual preference entirely based on size and strength tens of thousands of years ago this means a sexual preference hierarchy doesn't exist!
Genius, indisputable logic.
Send all the liberal beta males into the hood and they'll find out human hierarchies are completely real
Rogan is literally wrong in the first minute which sets the stage for the whole discussion. He says an alpha confident guy will be alpha and confident in all situations while the beta nervous guy will be that way in all situations. Obviously that’s not true. Go to a university and study science. Half the genius professors in the hard science are socially awkward omegas outside of lecture, but in lecture they are 100% confident outwardly and know exactly what they’re doing. Meanwhile the “alphas” do great in sports but flounder when they have to present original research. It’s all variable.
COPE
This guy gets it.
ITT: Cope
alpha males have shit taste women usually
>into the hood
>""""human""""" hierarchies
KEK
Unironically this. I've never heard a successful, happy man talk about being alpha or insulting betas.
shit taste in women*
they tend to like non-neotenous man jaw women
>A nerd guy that is the master dragon in his Dungeons and Dragons group could be also an alpha.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm an alpha but I've never had sex because fuck women they are whores.
based and alpha
You’re a retard who doesn’t go outside
>he hasn't met that cooler guy who hangs around losers and fucks every single girl that comes around
DnD is cool now grandpa
Fuck off cunt
Does this look ANYTHING like what Joe Rogan was describing as hourglass? Big breasts, fat ass, small waist. No.
Actually if you ask 100 men to think of an hourglass figure, 0 would think of the woman you posted. She's not hourglass.
>my tastes in women are the objective standard
You replied to the wrong person, my whole argument is that men do not have a unified preference, hence why I'm arguing AGAINST Rogan who thinks all men are genetically predisposed to be attracted to big breasts and big asses. You're actually supporting my argument by saying not all men have the same objective standard.
It can be both. A cope mechanism because people feel better thinking that they were betas since born but it's undeniable that alphas and betas exist in society. Anyone denying that is just lying because everybody has experience that by the age of 16.
Is it just me or is /pol/ seriously losing influence? Seems like the rest of Yea Forums has turned against them.
Women think more than 80% of men are "below average"
Stop posting you braindead nigger.
I'm /pol/ as fuck and even I'm annoyed by how fucking retarded they can be. It's embarrassing. Half of American posters can barely speak english.
>Men aren't attracted to women with wide hips and large breasts for evolutionary reasons
what fucking other reason is there
literal liberal retard
That's a beta that goes to a place where are literally faggots to be seen and feel as an alpha.
>2%of men don't like the generalized idea of physical beauty
>See not all men like the same thing guys!
You're a textbook example of how NOT to respond when you want to insult someone with lasting effect. You know literally nothing about me. All you're doing is judging the situation, but for all you know, I could be a billionaire chad with a 20 inch dick.
The real trick to getting someone roasted is to correspond with them at length and gather some objective dirt. In other words, wait for me to out myself as a "retard who doesn't go outside" and THEN make your comeback. Nothing hurts as much as the truth.
It's probably more like 30 percent and even then he's wrong.
STOP
>talks about the "backfire effect" like it is some kind of complex philosophical idea
>talks about it like only other people are affected by it
>displays a smug sense of superiority and an inability to take in any opposing views - literally the "backfire effect" he just mentioned - without a single shred of self-awareness
BEHTUH
lol no its not. Magic is somewhat popular but d&d is gay, it takes way too long for zoomers
/pol/ is an attitude, not a board nu-companion. The only people that frequent /pol/ are the triggered sjw snowflakes from all over the internet seething about /pol/.
But /pol/ isn't there.....we're in your mind.
Football and basketball are more popular than baseball, I don't know what time period you're living in. Are you Mexican, perhaps?
>"There's no FUCKING way Oscar Pistorius' prosthetic legs gave him an advantage."
>Joe: "Actually..."
Glad to see this retard get a taste of his own medicine, but without actual real evidence this time.
Not true, though, every alpha was once a beta that seized an opportunity.
Sorry to completely shatter your worldview.
Nice flipflop on your argument.
Also another counterpoint, same argument against that stupid boar hunting comic posted yesterday.
>woman like big muscular athletic men because it's the symbol of a provider who can protect her and hunt animals!
>conveniently leave out the fact that men have not hunted to survive for god knows how many hundreds of thousands of years and instead subsisted on a mercantile/agrarian based economy since all of recorded history and therefore should instead be attracted to traits shared by farmers and happy merchants instead
>conveniently leave out that real hunters in the past for 99% of human history looked like pic related (nubile boys), with long distance runner bodies, not arnold schwarzenegger types that would get gassed after 1km.
You guys can't win this one. Science and reason are staunchly against you.
I never said they weren't, retard. Adam was literally saying baseball wasn't popular at all. It's popular enough, but in more rural areas. It's evidence of his bubble.
>attractive people get laid more
Wow fucking shocking
Forgot pic, it's what a REAL hunter looks like. And they hunted in packs, not solo.
Yup. Unironically because of me and 2-3 other anons who have slowly started spreading a more conscientious, yet simultaneously firm perspective and mindset. One which is superior to the crybaby "alphas" of /pol/ could ever achieve.
It's the final pill and more and more anons are finally starting to open their minds and hearts to it and become real men.
>men have not hunted to survive for god knows how many hundreds of thousands of years
Please, just stop posting.
>men have not hunted to survive for god knows how many hundreds of thousands of years
>Science and reason are staunchly against you.
i actually lold
If I were Adam, while Joe was listing all the positive Alpha traits I would've tried to speak and sneak in "tall" in there.
Why did he not do it?
Hehe yeah REAL hunters that are 4'8 90lbs LMAO
>Flipflop
You are a retarded person
He might want to be invited back in the future.
Joe literally used the word "tall" when listing what women find attractive in men first. "Tall, fit, aggressive, confident" were his exact words. Adam is the type who pretends women don't find tall men attractive, it was his whole argument.
so are they going to talk about if npcs are real next?
Did this retard do any research? He started saying he loved trans athletes to Joe fucking Rogan. Jesus Christ what a dumbass.
>t. watched too much history channel
It's likely we were foragers and opportunistic long before we were able to craft tools to hunt.
It's actually true. Height has no intrinsic advantage to endurance hunting or trapping. Length of stride is outweighed by the square-cube law and energy consumption.
No no no
I freaking love science
Stop saying evolution applies to humans
NO NO NO NO NO NO
I LOVE SCIENCE
>>conveniently leave out that real hunters in the past for 99% of human history looked like pic related (nubile boys), with long distance runner bodies, not arnold schwarzenegger types that would get gassed after 1km.
Can someone actually argue against this? What IS the evolutionary advantage of being a roided-up hulkbeast?
Look who's talking.
Evolutionary psychology is 100% bullshit though.
Social justice types don't like doing a whole lot of research out of thier bubbles.
Now he said "trans are manifesting in a younger and younger age" as a positive.
Being big doesn't matter in gorilla social relations because small hands are best for opening bananas.
Therefore size doesn't matter.
Checkmate, incles.
>conveniently leave out the fact that men have not hunted to survive for god knows how many hundreds of thousands of years
10,000
en.wikipedia.org
You didn't even read the wikipage you fucking retard. 2 million years of hunter gathering btw, never mind the 2 billion before that
OMG btfo so hard how will I live
WE BELIEVE THINGS BECAUSE GOD SAID SO
EVOLUTION IS AN INCEL MYTH
Because no one found one yet
Humans are closer to Gorillas. One dude hoarding most of the resources and killing the other dudes who aren’t his genetic offspring.
Not hunting != agriculture.
It just means not hunting brainlet.
Try foraging, you know, how 99% of animals survive (all except carnivores).
he literally is the leader of his group of friends,
so much so he even convinced Schaub to end his mma career live
Height is a disadvantage for humans in the majority of "natural" situations, but people don't need to be agile/ fast/ low maintainance/ sneaky anymore.
Can you dumbfucks stop arguing about the appetizer and get mad about the real meat of this retard's appearance?
The humans who endurance hunt are the least successful strategies. Humans in Europe, Asia and North America used much more complex (and successful) hunting methods than "run after it".
In these societies, there was more need to physicality than chasing deer. There was competition within groups and between groups. Fill the rest in your self.
its the same hourglass except standing fowards, against a contrasting backgrond and swaying it to the side like the oldest trick in the book
Did you even read your own post?
Here it is again;
>conveniently leave out the fact that men have not hunted to survive for god knows how many hundreds of thousands of years
Wrong
>and instead subsisted on a mercantile/agrarian based economy since all of recorded history
>AGARIAN
Wrong
>beta male tries to tell alpha (relatively) that they're equal
>Height is a disadvantage for humans in the majority of "natural" situations
Bullshit. It's only disadvantageous if food is scarce, like most of Africa or Asia. In regions where the local population became intelligent enough to have a surplus of food there's no downside.
that's literally what hourglass figure means, its someone that after puberty isnt a fridge
>My friend's kid said he was a girl from a very young age. (S)he was very adamant about it. "I am a girl".
Imagine believing that as face value. Just imagine it.
Still, the less of a need for physical athleticism to successfully hunt only supports the argument that the physical athleticism to good provider correlation is bogus.
Why is it important to you personally that the alpha/beta dichotomy exists?
Good description.
Physical athleticism also means your mate can stop you being gang raped/murdered by rivals within the group, and protect the group from other groups trying to gang rape/murder.
I do agree that intelligence has been the defining factor of humanity since we walked up right though
Also, do you think you're an alpha or a beta?
Yeah, I don't know why people are arguing about beta males when this retard is literally attempting to argue in favor of every type of trans, including children.
Joe is shitting on him and Adam cannot argue for shit. Lots of backpedaling, but then saying the same shit ten seconds later.
Those were two different points I made.
It's not what people consider hourglass, not even what Joe considered hourglass if you heard him describe it.
The statue lady doesn't have as drastic a waist hip ratio even in her exaggerated stance (from the side, bent back). The curve you think you see is the curve of her back.
>>conveniently leave out the fact that men have not hunted to survive for god knows how many hundreds of thousands of years and instead subsisted on a mercantile/agrarian based economy since all of recorded history and therefore should instead be attracted to traits shared by farmers and happy merchants instead
yeah there are no relations between these, strength, calculating scenarios, discipline, willpower, coordination, healthy body mass indicating success etc
I think people just want to understand how the world actually works instead of trying to deform everything to their own insecurities.
>Hierarchy doesn't fucking exist stfu AaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Depends on the situation. In many situations I am "artificially" a beta (i.e. in the office, dealing with police, gang members, etc).
It only really means that if you assume everyone live solo existences with their mates, but early humans probably lived like lions.
As soon as you introduce communal living the physical fitness of any one given individual ceases to matter entirely.
The most effective animals in Africa? Wild dogs. They have been known to take out lions consistently. And yet a single wild dog is nothing to a single lion.
>Trans kids are awesome, Joe. What's my evidence? Well, my friend...
>her back
which is different in men and women where it bends, "hourglass"
it doesnt need to be a surgic minaj diaper
you people are desperate to pretend to yourselves muscle isnt attractive in men, its all social, there's no biological markers in the desires of men and women, as if everyone could be convinced to like 70yo women or a 7yo girl
Everything's related. Which is why the alpha/beta mindset is dumb and exactly what Adam was talking about.
He's said he knows a ton of trans people.
If you're a straight white male and you know "tons of trans people" you need to rethink your fucking life.
Stfu beta
you want to live in denial and say colors dont exist because it changes in certain lights and because of spectrums
There are markers, but the markers are not what most people consider them to be.
Yes youth is attractive across the board but different people have different conceptions of youth.
Your statue for instance to me is not a symbol of youth but a symbol of maturity and womanhood (huge breasts, big ass). Those ladies could be 30+ years old in a time when hormones in our food weren't a thing.
I’m a homosexual white male living in a major metropolitan area and I know one (1) trans person.
Sure but a group of tough guys beats a group of onions boys more often than not
>Shouts out contrapoints
>Argues for trans kids and trans in sports
>"I have had a much easier time being friends with women than with men".
This man is a parody of himself.
It's a shame there are too many brainlets like Rogan who don't understand what the guy is saying nor even have a definition of what alpha means.
>"I have had a much easier time being friends with women than with men".
Hahahahha no way did he actually say this fucking hell hahahah
Colours only exist in a larger framework of the electromagnetic spectrum. There are colors animals can see that we can't.
Your argument is akin to saying 'all animals see the human visible spectrum of light'.
I'm a straight white male living in a rural suburb and I have known 2.
These people who know "tons of trans people" are living in the most exclusive fucking bubble. It's insane. And they want to control society with an iron fist.
>womanhood (huge breasts, big ass)
the things that show up when they're 18, so yeah youth. Men arent excited about how the owner of those tits can fill their taxes and keep their balance right
Secondary sexual markers signify 'maturity' in the sense they're ready and willing to go biologically (horny, ready to procreate etc) but not in the sense you mean
the ridiculous thing is they can never be one thing, the whole ideological package must go with it or they're a nazi. So they have to like contrapoints, chapo, whoever is good this month etc
He did, early on. I myself am more comfortable speaking to women than men, because there's always some underlying competition with men, but if actually have trouble becoming friends with men and not with women, you're a faggot and you're being used.
>Everything is relative and subjective there is no such thing as objectivity or truth
>Race and gender isnt real you fucking white male!
It's more like saying WE can see colors, therefore colors exist.
I'm fine with women, except in a professional environment. I am never working in a majority female office again. I would rather be homeless.
How postmodern of you
Only if you take it in isolation. Consider a scenario where onion boys had personalities more agreeable to living with larger communities (not everyone is as aggressive all the time to test their might against another). So now you have a group of tough guys that can reach a max population of 100 for their group (call them lions) because they're constantly battling eachother and others and group of onions with a 1000 population (call the wild dogs).
Now you have a strength of 1000 that would crush the 100 population at any given time, and you have the story of why humans > lions, tigers, everything else.
It's literally all they have. The office is a game to them, their life and entertainment.
>therefore colors exist.
Not necessarily true, but it's going to take a long time to explain why so I won't bother.
>"Trans "folks" are the only people capable of speaking on this issue and what real trans "folks" are saying is that kids should transition as early as possible."
>"Well, some of those people say they regret the operation greatly"
>"But those people aren't here right now, Joe"
Is this man retarded?
Life doesn't even exist nothing is real so you should kill yourself right now. All your experience is just illusion and meaningless just like your life bro lol kys.
You could just be upfront about your insecurity on these issues (every man is to some extent) and how you're just weaseling your way out of reality
>if we all close our eyes, nothing is really there, I'm attractive then
Just go work out 2 times a week.
>The last time I talked to someone extensively about this, it was a trans person in the military who did ALL THE RESEARCH, and they told me that yes, kids should transition and if you don't let them, they will be sad as trans adults.
He's a sjw, so he's retarded and insane pretty much.
>"I think the undeniable existence of trans kids, teens, adults, means they should be able to compete in any sport."
>The fact that Oscar Pistorious was allowed to compete in the Olympics, means that LITERALLY ANYONE WITH ANY IDENTITY OR DISFIGUREMENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE IN THE MAIN OLYMPICS
Oh, my......
>feminists go 'refugees welcome'
>obvious sexist muslims, rapists, child molesters
>feminists still shit on 'male allies'
"women dont have a biological marker to hate weakness and men who are acommodating while favoring aggression and sociopathy, they just like prisoners because of society"