What's the point of space movies when realistically we will never visit other worlds

yep. thats why i cant stand (((sagan))) or cosmos coon

>t. bpa boys

cringe and yikes pilled

the bigger redpill is that space colonisation even within our solar system will never happen. It'd be hugely easier to colonise antarctica, the sahara, and the ocean than mars or the moon.

Not with that attitude

you can imagine how impossible it was when people thought we couldn't land on the moon

colonising mars is like colonising the sahara desert, only you can barely breathe and it takes seven months to get there.

Old age is realizing we're forever trapped on this planet.

Moon's distance isn't bottlenecked by laws of physics. Short of bending space, you're not going interstellar.

its trolling, dont bother

Maybe not now but in 1000 years we will.

Mars is very fucking cold user it would nothing like the Sahara where you get skin cancer fast.

I’ll never understand the obsession of space
>finding new life or reaching new planets will not fix our problems on earth
>won’t make our planet better
>we won’t be able to breathe on other planets and live there, thus making all the focus on planetary discoveries pointless

I mean in terms of hostility to life, not temperature.

You have to be white to get it.

but dragons do exist

you'd probably get brain cancer from al the cosmic radiation instead.

Discovery is about finding new places AWAY from problems at home. It's not about fixing problems at home.

That wouldn't be a problem for me.

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People won't want to go live in space, but miners will end up stuck there for work. Earth will soon run out of Helium, but the moon is sloppy with pockets of it.

Create nanobots that oxygenate your body meaning you no longer need to breathe at all.

We won't have fossil fuels in a 150 years and there's zero way to reproduce all the plastic products necessary to build and sustain alternate fuel sources. Mankind reverts to Renaissance age technology within 300 years.

It's not about fixing problems, it's about seeing as much as you can before you buy the farm

>finding new life or reaching new planets will not fix our problems on earth
>im-FUCKING-plying
>Travel space
>find ayys
>ayyys technology is beyond measurably advanced compared to ours
>become pals
>ayys use technology to help our little shitty planet out
>infinite food for all activated
>all natural disasters disabled
>all bad guys cured of being bad guys

Any aliens that find us will pretty much just kill us for fun.

>no oil
So we go full nuclear then.

You don't know that

It's what humans do when they visit primitives. Why would aliens be different?

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>we will never be able to bend the laws of nature to our whim any more than right now

wow op, great big brain you have there.

Because they're not human

It was once possible.................once

Now the human race will forever remain trapped on a dying planet once human over-population forces resource depletion that forever seals our fate

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you got it pal

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>comparing aliens to unga bunga

user..

>that bottom pic
What the fucking hell why is it cunt majority instead of 50/50?

300 years is very conservative. At current population growth putting ever-increasing pressure on the planet's finite resources, it'll be much sooner than that. personally I think the 22nd century will be some quasi-medieval world.

In the mid-1800's the world's population broke 1 billion for the first time. Now it's pushing 8 billion (if it hasn't already surpassed that already withthe exponential growth rate of always-pregnant blacks, hispanics, Indians, and Arabs). There's no way critical mass for this planet's resources won't be reached in less than a century.

It's a staged photo.

Imagine seriously thinking we will never eventually go to other star systems, all you need is fusion power. You could send robot ships, generational ships, seed storage ships, or even just ships full of regular faggot with their lives slightly extended. Shit you could probably fucking do it with fission power if you built a big enough ship it would just take a few centuries compared to the decades of a fusion ship.
Imagine seriously thinking its worthless too colonize the solar system, all you need is enough automation technology too create factories that can run themselves and you can create an exponentially expanding industrial base that doubles every year (minimum) thanks to exploiting all that unclaimed mass. Nobody is going to live on mars, but it will be turned into a planet wide factory too produce all the perfect space habitats that we WILL live on.

Al these retards who think space exploration is impossible are literally on the same level of the I Fucking Love Science redditards, unless you are saying none of this will happen because civilization will collapse first in which case I see your point.

Don't (you) me faggots.

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Insurance policy. If a giant meteor hits Earth and wiped out life on Earth then Humanity can still survive as long as our colonies have >5000 colonists living there

Because they don't give a shit about gender equality. Alll they care about is using gender to get ahead in life. It's their version of the race card.

Just look at all of the media and gaming companies "blessed" by Anita Sarkeesian showing up; their top staff is almost entirely white women now.

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>Oneil cylinder
Yuck

(You)
lol what now asshat?

They are weak as shit so office jobs is all you can give them or nothing at all I prefer nothing at all because women turns offices into pure cancer.

this

I worked a couple of office jobs before. I won't do it again. The women are always gossiping and trashing others behind their backs while staring over your shoulder to find anything they can to be offended by you so they can get rid of you for another woman. They form clans among each other, and there's only as much politeness and friendliness as required by workplace etiquette.

My favourite ones are Bishop's Rings

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>realistically we will never be able to instantly communicate with people on the other side of the globe

HR has done incredible damage to the potential of the USA

>you can only watch movies of things that you will do
The point is exactly the opposite

lol ringworld? shits stupid as fuck

>what are physics

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Looks more aesthetic than that disgusting trash called the Oneil cylinder.

>200 women taking selfies
>one black guy in the corner doing actual work
Yeah, we ain't colonizing shit.

DIVERSITY OFFICERS! For real any company over 500 employees has one now. And it's usually a white or black woman who's job it is to find the white male (and sometimes white women), tap him on the shoulder, tell him that his whiteness is a problem, and let him go. And those fired are usually threatened with a bad reference by the diversity officer as being bigoted and hard to work with to make sure the fired remains the unemployed if he says one single word of complaint.

It's illegal as fuck and violates both the Constitution and EOE laws, but leftist judges allow it to occur.

Companies were bullied into having them during the Obama years (to no surprise).

>yep. thats why i cant stand (((sagan))) or cosmos coon
Sounds like you cucked yourself out of enjoyment of learning for its own sake. I really don't see why it matters whether or not we'll be able to go to another planet.

carl sagan talks like a faggot, can't fucking stand his voice

>I really don't see why it matters whether or not we'll be able to go to another planet.

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Says alot that black males are more productive than actual white women in NASA.

>19
too old

Found the Australian

Imagine being this much of a defeatist cuck. Donno about you fags but if I don't explore space then at least my son will, or his son, or his sons son. Because fuck you fags we spacemen now.

This, it's never going to happen to be honest. I'm ashamed of my I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE phase

This all ends in only jews having comfy jobs anyway.

Because sooner or later our population growth rate is gonna fuck this planet's environment and resources, and so we'll need a new one.

bro. BRO. all we need is *insert magic scifi shit here* and we'll totally be able to explore space bro

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Based retard doesn't understand basic limitations

most space movies are just morality plays or space operas using space as a backdrop. It does not matter if we can never go to the stars. I mean whats the point about making period movies about the past or fantasy movies like lord of the rings - we can never go to those places either.

You guys are no different than everyone who thought we'd never leave the Earth's atmosphere and entering space was impossible. It used to be in science textbooks that it was impossible to achieve escape velocity.
You're wrong.

Sounds like most of you probably just need to see a therapist about your depression. Dont worry, while you throw a pity party smarter more capable people will actually be working towards achieving greatness and we'll even take you along for the ride cause the strong are bound to help the weak by honor and our good nature.

So don't worry space bros, we're all gonna make it.

lmao it will be much easier to force people to stop having kids. if you think we're going to band together and send people to star systems to save the human race you're fucking delusional

It's mostly to give the unwashed masses some hope, even if it's fake.

People will start building cities in deserts or the ocean and eat bugs and shit. You ain't going anywhere. The world is fucking empty, even the US is half a wasteland

Limitations like what? Literally the only thing stopping us is a newer engine and an actual place to go. Engines are getting faster and faster, and soon space construction will happen. Industry will take us to space and beyond.

>Apocalyptic disaster looming.
>Rich assholes buy a multi-generational spaceship and fuck off into space.
>Disaster hits.
>Few survivors on Earth get by road warrior style.
>Rich assholes now playing game of thrones style politics to control the space ship that has turned to cannibalism to cope with resource shortages and a lack of actual destination.

The people who believe in mass nonwhite immigration and magic science negros are the ones who also believe space colonization is inevitable.

>I’ll never understand the obsession of space

Yeah, imagine if we figured out a way to get huge quantities of a bunch of necessary resources that were extremely rare on Earth. That would be retarded.

>use massive resources for space exploration/colonization, and treat it like it actually fucking matters
>divert resources to supply ever-growing human populations while treating space as an SJW social project

Which do you think politicians will keep on doing? Obama gutted NASA down to a tiny fraction of its former size, and I don't see it getting the drive it had in the 60s back ever again.

Because we won't ever visit those worlds besides when we watch movies

>What the fucking hell why is it cunt majority instead of 50/50?
It's called a "photo op", which is an abbreviation of the phrase "photo opportunity".

>anything is possible bro just believe

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Why would you make a macro supporting your opinions and then not bother to check the spelling to ensure you don't look like a retard

Is it a coincidence /pol/tards are also defeatist crybabies? The answer might not surprise you.

Reminder:

This WILL exist and be flying in under ten years.

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bezos wants to do that because he wants to be emperor of the solar system

we could still go, obviously not on our lifetime, but we could build a ship to go to another system even if take generations to travel.

Have sex

we just need to terraform mars

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you mean we just need to use magic? wow

Lotta people talking shit in this place, but they lack the creativity to think more than 100 years ahead.
Jusr imagine 500 years from now. We'll probably exploring stars, planets and new life.
Believe it.

Cringe

um sweetie no
*draws a line from point a to point b on paper*
*folds paper and stabs pen through point a into point b*

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Venus is more viable for a starter colony. Not down on the surface, but suspended high in the upper atmosphere where the climate is more like Earth.

This post made me wince, science is literally a religion nowadays

If we had an engine capable of producing constant thrust for a long time, accelerating at 1g for a year until it reached the limits of near-lightspeed, we could send a probe to Alpha Centauri that would arrive within 10 years.
We already have ion drives and ideas for nuclear-powered ships and solar sails. Better technology will come along.

Great argument though, love the meme how did you get so smart?

>If we had an engine capable of producing constant thrust for a long time, accelerating at 1g for a year

it's amusing you think this is possible lmao

Are you a woman by any chance?

>Few survivors on Earth get by road warrior style.
>Rich assholes now playing game of thrones style politics to control the space ship that has turned to cannibalism to cope with resource shortages and a lack of actual destination.

There's a 1980s novel sort of like this. The rich have abandoned Earth to go live in an orbital colony and the remaining people are Mad Maxing it up. Can't remember the title right now. Main character has cybereyes that let him see in the dark. He wanted to get the kind that let him switch to viewing everything like a black&white movie but that option was no longer available when he got his eyes.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Imagine being you. Not only fucking retarded but so little self reflection you probably think you're smart. The very definition of a brainlet.

>we have ideas
Yep, pretty much what space science has been about for like 20 years oh and announcing they've found water on Mars like 10 times

Wow chastity devices have gone in a weird fucking direction

Where are the deserts? An entire half of the plane would be land meaning there should be deserts the size of North America on it.

>won't hold an atmosphere
>has a tenth the water of earth
>will evaporate shortly after we melt it
>soils are toxic to plant life

You know you're stupid, right?

>anything is possible just believe bro like we Wuz space
Based retard cultist

>ooga, you no can fly. Man not bird HAHA get real job like dig for grub or pick berry. Man no can fly in stone bird, you waste time.

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4 light years isn't that far

I mean it'd be feasible if we learn how to bend space-time like a black hole does without fucking killing ourselves. That and Our robot overlords will be the children of humanity that do things we could only dream of. They won't be limited by lazy fucks or people who propagate them. Best of all: they'll humanely execute us all.

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>no argument
>resorts to insults
Proving his point tbqh.

>lmao it will be much easier to force people to stop having kids.

How does any government approach it without sounding like nazis? For real explain it. People already tried tog et LCentral/South Americans and Africans to stop mass-producing babies int he late 90s/early 200s and even tried to introduce contraceptives tot hem, but they argued that contraceptives go against their religion and they have a human right to have as many poverty-babies as they want. And throw in democrats who insist we MUST allow it because growth MUST BE MAINTAINED while treating responsible birthrates of America, Europe, and Japan asbad things that have to be combatted with immigration by the baby-factories, and it's the recipe for guaranteed global collapse.

It's like they're actively trying to kill the fucking planet. Nothing else explains the total irrationality.

Always reaching for bigger expanses to expand what's possible for you to achieve: it's a white-people thing. Never you mind any attention to it. We know we have no future thanks to your social engineering, but we'll carry you on our backs for what limited time we're still here to make it as easy on you as possible.

Space is achievable. That's the part that pisses people off. We CAN do it. We just can't get the resources to achieve it due to socio-political issues always keeping the resources drained.

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Hey kid, psst, there's no drag or air resistance in space! Nuclear-powered vessels don't have to refuel for 20 years, and with the advances in miniaturization and energy technology, what makes you think being able to propel a micro craft at that speed for that long is impossible? Even advanced solar cells or batteries have that potential.

It's actually more amusing that you have no actual answer or argument other than to act like the pseudo-scientific pretentious fat faggot you are. You're clearly a retard talking completely out of their hairy ass.

Based, can't wait for some diverse colonies.

Wow i didn’t know the sun was the center of the galaxy

Once the greatest kangz of Africa unlock the secrets of the universe with their Wakanda IQ, us mere mortals will be able to steal this technology and colonize the entire universe

No idea.

terraforming costs too much energy, it's not viable except as like a pet project for a tier 2 civilization

ME GRUG ME NO BELIEVE IN ROUND OBJECT NEVER WILL TRIBE INVENT WHEEL IT IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE ME CAN NO CONCEPTUALIZE IT!

Yeah ideas are what you have before you turn them into inventions that change the world. Are you really that stupid? Welcome to life, little guy! Make sure you breathe and brush your teeth!

If it's not too late, you can probably delete your post and fix the typo.

>if you wait enough anything is possible bro
Literally a religion, not based on reality but feelings

Your kind doesn't deserve to be argued with. Only ridiculed and destroyed.

>Yeah ideas are what you have
Ironic.

Matt Damon's Elysium
The earth is over-crowded with lots of brown peopel who have lots of kids and there's slums and trash everywhere because of it, and what's left of whiteness is forced to live in space. And the moral of the movie is rich white people are to blame for it, and not the baby-factories who forced the planet into being in that state.

Fun fact: We won't be able to meaningfully explore beyond our Galaxy because the rate at which objects in the universe are moving away from us is increasing.

>won't hold an atmosphere for more than a few million years
How many million years do you suppose we'll need to have an atmosphere on Mars?

theoretically it is possible, not with today's technology though.

this is literally what epicyte's contraceptive corn is for.

Yeah. Tell us again about all that visionary thinking you're doing.

>How does any government approach it without sounding like nazis? For real explain it.
when it gets bad enough, no one will really care. do you think people are enlightened beings or something lol?

>limitations don't exist everything is possible EVERYTHING fuck facts I want to believe we will

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Yeah we have ideas, also a space station and rail guns. What do you have? Bibles? That's so cool man.

>Matt Damon's Elysium
Eh, an attempt was made, I guess.

Holy shit have sex

>believing in space colonization
>when the real future is right here on our planet
>create utopias inside computers
>mind uploading
>ai to defend the physical system and care for our minds
>all world problems instantly fixed
>fermi paradox fixed
>fuck cute anime girls for the rest of our eternal lives

Israel sterilized Africans pouring into and colonizing Israel for that very reason, and the whole world ganged up on and condemned Israel for it.

those vessels aren't travelling a 1G for extended amounts of time you bro science dip shit. the rest of your post is a bunch of buzzscience shit.

When you become a brain in a jar, someone will come piss in it.

but they are...

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energy won't be a problem after we build a dyson sphere.

Not with that acttitude.

that is what I really love about space movies, more specifically interstellar.
What the fuck proves that we don't have some shit like wormholes in our galaxies?
as far as we know everything is possible, and that possibility is intriguing

If western governments won't even consider stopping the subsidies you think they're going to retool a massive supply chain to poison those subsidies?

Ballooning their populations so they invade white countries is the plan, my friend.

Space may be in a vacuum, but it's not empty. It's full of particles. There's just little to no gravity and no atmosphere in it. So there's still drag albeit miniscule.

And without constant power, there's no going in a straight line in space. The gravity from all stars and planet will constantly effect the trajectory. So the only way to conserve fuel is to always go the long way with sling-shtting off of planets, stars, etc.

Being a dreamer will forever be more useful to the world than being a worthless dick in the dirt faggot who sits around moaning all day. There's nothing to argue about. You fags will sit in your semen encrusted hovels not accomplishing anything while people go out and do all the shit you say is impossible.

You're worthless existence is pitiful. Youre literally a flea on the ass of the world. Luckily for us you ain't shit and you'll die alone never having added any value to the world.

White people need to get off this rock before it burns in a brown fire.

Are you fucking illiterate, retarded, or both? I can't understand if you just don't understand the words on the screen, or if you're incapable of understanding basic abstract concepts like "technology gets better over time". Either way, stop fucking posting. Your posts are meaningless, and you're just dragging down the quality of discussion.

Science is not a religion. Watch less youtube consipracies and for the love of God, have sex.
Science helps humanity a great deal. Relying on science doesn't come without it's risks, sure, but that is no excuse to paint science as some sort of Satanism.
Science is not a religion, but a tool. Since humans are tool-using animals, it's a no-brainer thar science will be used.
>ughh f science man coon space man is bad
Well if you hate science so much, then why don't you leave this place? Internet is science and the phone uour posting with is science too. You guys can be unbearable sometimes, you know thaf?
I can't wait untill pass you in my flying car, while you're just riding horse and carriage or some shit, beta.

And we're expanding with it since, you know, we're not the center of the universe. I'm not sure you understand the Hubble Constant or redshift. I'll take "relativity" for 100, Alex. The speed of the expanding universe is insignificant when it comes to traveling the tiny distances to our closest neighbors.
Also what makes you think, in the grand eternal scheme of things, that such an expansion will continue indefinitely and never reverse, given that it all started with a single condensed mass? How did the mass become condensed in the first place?

>if you don't believe in my religion you must believe in that other religion I hate
>my beliefs aren't a religion tho

Secular humanists are more fanatical than any evangelical I've ever met.

>Space is achievable
Space travel is achievable, yes. But everything is so far away that there's no way to explore shit without literally telling the laws of physics to fuck right off.
I'm not saying that our solar system has nothing worth exploring, on the contrary, every photo we get from the other planets is fascinating, but realistically speaking, how long would it take us to finish exploring our solar system? Maybe a hundred years or something? Then what's next?

>Science is not a religion
Wow, that sounds like something a brainwashed science-worshiper would say!

But seriously you should maybe stop feeding shitposters.

Scientific advancement is on par with religion now? I guess you've given up trying to validate your middle-eastern folk-tales, so you've decided to try and smear science down to your level. Nice try. Kill yourself and take the quick way to heaven you smug fuck.

going to Mars is a huge waste of resources which could be better invested on our own planet. It is literally dead, and nothing short of an orbital magnifying glass cooking it for God knows how long can kickstart the core back, as there is not enough fissile material in our Solar system, the Oort cloud accounted for, to nuke it the old fashioned way.
>b-but you don't need a molten core to maintain an atmosphere
unless you want your uncontained supply of oxygen seeping out constantly or live in plastic bubbles for eons, it is best to do so, but it would render any geological or possibly paleontological discoveries moot by cooking the planet.
Secondly, any person or creature born and adapted to Mars' gravity and atmosphere could quite possibly never set foot on Earth, as their bones would be brittle and they would weigh nearly three times as much here as they would there.
Third, the shipping costs are so astronomically fuckhuge, that NOTHING ever found or discovered there could account for shipping cost.
It's a billionaire pipe dream partly funded by your taxes. Our best shot at survival in my opinion are preprogrammed nanobot swarms, encoded with our history and dna, in search for a possible home to make us anew.
Setting up a Mars colony is like begging for space Africa. They would be surrounded by death, sand, and sadness while we watch online like if it were some twisted fucking zoo.

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>just follow your dreams bro

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Have sex isn't an answer you fucking retard. That meme is making you all look so fucking retarded you have no idea. You fucking repeat it all day in every thread like true NPC's.

I mean how fucking embarrassing that you can't even rationally debate with someone. All you say is "cringe" and "have sex." That's all you say. You are the dumbest motherfuckers I've actually ever seen and it makes me uncomfortable how embarrassing you are.

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>Ballooning their populations so they invade white countries is the plan, my friend.

White-free voting districts = democrat-voting total monopolies. So how do you sieze absolute power over America and Europe as a democrat? Surges of brown people hammering our borders, of course! And just look at how mad democrats got last week at the announcement that Trump's sending them to areas that already vote democrat.

The truth is obvious. They're willing to fuck up the civilized world just to grab power. And the funny thing is they think they'll survive, and not get replaced by more Ilhan Omars and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's. The social engineers will end up being the first ones who lose everything from this shit they're doing.

stop telling me to have sex already.

The problem with space movies is they have a human perspective, so they need to show a human leaving the earth and arriving to a new star within their lifetime. Realistically, it's only possible for humanity to reach other stars if you think beyond one lifespan. So you'd have one generation of people leaving the earth and dying inside of a spaceship while their grandchildren and greatgrandchildren are the ones that make it to the new solar system and colonize it.

thats a tier 2 civilization user

there is no reason to terraform at that point, just strip mine a planet and turn its resources in whatever the fuck you like

I have a lot of respect for the Chinese, but I've yet to see them do anything that isn't a very advanced form of cargo-culting.

What was the point of your dad if he never breeded your mom?

retard. travel fast enough and a little piece of debris in space is going to fucking obliterate your ship. i guess its easy to brush that aside because obviously technology gets better over time, we'll have forcefields bro! lmao

>going to Mars is a huge waste of resources which could be better invested on our own planet.

Stopped reading right there lol

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What vessels? Micro vessels? Actually yes, that's exactly what they're doing. 1G is only 22mph you fucking retard, lol. Since space has no resistance, you can build up a very high speed over a long amount of time with low acceleration.

No wonder you guys don't believe anything is possible -- you're completely ignorant.

>What's the point of space movies when realistically we will never visit other worlds
>realistically

That's the thing about new technology and new discovery. We don't know today what will be realistic 10 years from now. Everything can change almost overnight.

So I dont subscribe to this line of thinking. Instead I think we should continue to focus on finding ways to make it possible.

I have always wondered if advanced races would keep the mantle and below of a planet or just remove it since they only need the surface to live on.

I like how everyone thinks arguments on Yea Forums are in good faith. All you negroes are fags. If we never make it to space then good space doesn't deserve to be cluttered up by you sissy fuckheads anyway.

Why cant we bend space? Because we dont know how?
In the 1900s people though we would get to mars with a cannon. Now we know they were retards.

nigga it's not that the outer edges are moving away, the distance between all objects is increasing

Planets and stars are very far apart from each other, so orbital slingshot and gravity effects can be planned around.

>19

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>I mean how fucking embarrassing that you can't even rationally debate with someone. All you say is "cringe" and "have sex." That's all you say. You are the dumbest motherfuckers I've actually ever seen and it makes me uncomfortable how embarrassing you are.
Lol, imagine being retarded enough to try "debating" with a troll.

You have got to be the stupidest faggot on this site. You're actually getting upset because the trolls you feed shift their positions around to continue trolling you.

Well at the very least there's another galaxy moving towards our own.

my opinion is that if every black person on the planetdied tomorrow, our world would be better for it and not a single tear would be shed, but that still doesn't mean human space exploration is viable.
Flesh and space don't mesh, friend

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Listen up kid. I'm probably taller than you and lift more than you. I'm not a science freak, but I'm a devoted Christian. That doesn't mean that I can"t see the benefits of science and dream about space travel.
You come across as a bitter, lonely dork and I will pray for you.

you're going to store all that fuel on a micro vessel? do you know what energy is you idiot?

>In the 1900s people though we would get to mars with a cannon. Now we know they were retards

You could conceivably use a cannon instead of a rocket to leave the Earths atmosphere on a journey to Mars. That's not far fetched.

Because I said bibles, you extrapolated that hilariously false and psychotic greentext, then used it to justify your equally hilarious and psychotic assertion about secular humanists?
The only fanaticism on display here is in that post right there son, I hate to break it to you. Might want to start taking a good look at yourself before it's too fucking late.

and you come across as dim witted and easily misled by hogwash pop culture

Going to Mars is not about terraforming it, not really. Going to Mars is all about resources and perfecting technology.
When we finally get things like asteroid mining going on, there will be more than enough of resources to do what ever we want, even in places where it doesn't matter how much we pollute.
Going to space will actually be both, financially smart as well as very damned good for our environment here on Earth.

That pic says it all. Obama gutted the shit out of NASA to free up more money for more 3rd-world baby-factories who have NOT made life better, and to the contrary have only made life more expensive with that surge in demand for everything.

This world only has so much stuff in it. Will it be spent on this baby-factory problem, or will it be spent on advancing the human race to the stars to ensure human survival in the eons to come?

The answer is obvious, and it fucking sucks. What democrats ahve done today has literally robbed humanity of its future, an sadly it's to the point to wher enothing short of a new holocaust or extinction event will save the planet.

If it was possible to go to space why haven't we done it yet?

CHECKMATE

>space has no resistance
get a load of this retard. No wonder you think star wars is possible

Does that look like a debate to you, fucking moron? I called them the embarrassing retard NPC that they are. That isn't a debate.
See you fuckers have such low reading comprehension it's a fucking miracle you can even power up your PC.

Because we need to feed more useless niggerbabies.
>I caints feed mah 10 bastart chillin n whitey's on tha muthafuckin' moon nigga nawmsayin

Protip: Einstein was an absolute fraud

Retard copied shit from white physicists and tried to pass it off as his own shit. Also he thought quantum entanglement + black holes were impossible lol

The only issue is that space is a desert. It's not an attractive place to live. Even more unattractive than deserts on earth.

I dont think theres going to be that many people interested in going unless another earth is found.

How about based on the scientific method, experimentation and iterating which has given us countless modern miracles of science and techology and will most likely continue to do so as we dedicate more resources to new challenges?

Nah you're right though, its just blind faith

kek, disagree about the viability of space travel but agree with the rest of your post

Not many know that our galaxy is currently in the process of colliding with another galaxy. Astronomers argue that there's so much space in between stars that there'll be zero effect, but that's bullshit. They forget the effects of gravity of all the stars from each galaxy effecting each other, as well as what'll happen when our star system becomes one with TWO quasar/black hole cores.

I wonder if I found a nonwhite who legitmately discovered something, how much you'd scramble in hopes to find some white guy he stole it from

space travel will be done by robots.
we will all die here.

I've seen some pretty interesting mock-ups of what our galaxy might end up looking like when all is said and done.

It'll take a long time for that anyway.

Also black holes are scary.

The only darkie I want to survive is my black fuckbuddy I see on the weekends.

>easily misled
care to explain how you're not the one being missled by negative assumptions you hold over science?

no, it's not about racial supremacy, I just fucking hate Einstein and think he's way over rated.

Go back to ribbit
Why are you pretending to be me

Yep. Humanity ends in a fizzle because of it.

Every planet has usable resources such as iron, nickel, helium, and other elements. It's worth it.

>gravlet mars
more venusian babes for me

imagine blowing up a balloon, none of the sides are getting closer to each other they're all moving away

I dont think much would change on earth unless something large got very close to our solar system. The only difference would be the night sky. Other than that our solar system would continue on as is.

>infinite food for all activated
africans, indians and chinks split population 33% each
>all natural disasters disabled
now you're just being retarded
>all bad guys cured of being bad guys
jews will still be jewish

of course all your ideas are predicated on:
>become pals
>ayys use technology to help our little shitty planet out
in reality it'd be like independence day only the aliens win

actually it would fix a lot of problems. Living space would never again be an issue, rare elements would become trivially common, new materials could be produced, limitless energy. I could go on.
If we stay on earth we will just keep having to feed nigger babies for enternity.

The slight drag from interstellar matter in space is NEGLIGIBLE you fucking idiots. Yet again you display you truly stupid you are.

t. faggot who thinks all people were created equal

>Every planet has usable resources such as iron, nickel, helium, and other elements. It's worth it.

Yeah but most people dont even want to mine on earth. Then you're trying to get people to mine millions of miles away from humanity and fresh air? What do the miners get out of it aside from lonliness and misery?

Black holes are nothing. Quasars are black holes that FUCKING MOVE around and gobble up star system after star system, and they're the scary ones.

A global treaty should be signed dedicating 1% of each signatory's GDP to a UN-run public space exploration agency. Developed technologies would be shared openly amongst all participants. Major decisions would be made democratically, and votes would be shared based on the percentage contributed by each country, so if America contributes 21% of funding, they get 21% of the vote, etc. This would allow countries to buy votes by willingly contributing more than their requirement, which encourages signatories to engage in a kind of space race, not by increasing their own agency’s funding, but by increase their funding to the UN. Of course, the UN doesn’t have to direct it, and the GDP requirement doesn’t have to be 1%, but the general idea is solid. If you want asteroid mining by 2060, this is how you do it.

i'm going to ctrl + F flat and I swear to me mum

Even with the amount of resources in space there is no reason to bring it back to earth, with the technology we might invent in foreseeable future it costs more to move it to earth than you're gaining from it.

Space colonization is going ot be a thing because you can use those resources in space.

Money is enough attraction.

holy shit s o y b o y faggot

i bet you read "i fucking love science" facegoy pages

>tfw you live long enough to see Yea Forums invaded by bible thumping yokels
What a bizarro timeline.

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We cant convert earth deserts without destroying ecosystens or using materials we dont have. Space has no environment to ruin and collecting raw materials becomes really easy.

space mining is easy everyone, this user said. totally easy

Pro-tip: Betelgeuse, the largest star in Orion, is currently in the process of explosion. One day we'll have a supernova in the night sky as big as and as bright as a full harvest moon, and it could be at any time. It's impossible to know the exact time it'll occur. We only know that it's already occurring, and when given the 80-light-year delay, it's possible that it has already occurred but the light hasn't reached us yet.

Fuck I'm a proper nerd for knowing about that. Eat shit capefags who think you're nerds for collecting pop vinyl!

wow sci fags are pretty much an aethist religion desu senpai

I used to think they are LARPers, but it's starting to get awkward. Probably the 2016 magapede tourists

One small asteroid has more gold than humanity has mined ever. Also shitty conditions can be improved over time. Once space based construction starts it can grow exponentially.

then why make it about racial supremacy

and in 500 years the messiah might come back!

You don't colonize the surface.

gotem

have sex

>Money is enough attraction.

Money is only attractive when you can spend it within civilization. What will they do with money out there?

There will be no services. There will be no strippers or strip clubs. You cant buy a mansion on a beach in Hawaii and a yacht. It would be like being a billionaire right now on the moon with no means of returning to earth.

holy shit cringe

we can barely improve shitty conditions on earth and this guy is already thinking about fixing conditions with space construction that doesn't even exist yet
what a hero

>STILL ignoring the effects of gravity acting as a form of drag.

There is no traveling in straight lines, bro. Because of that, there is no traveling the shortest distance possible to get to anywhere.

If you can get mining operations into space then the rest is easy because you already solved it yes.
Your rhetorical statements arent arguments.

butt hurt sci fag

wish uncle ted had mailed u a package u poofter

>One small asteroid has more gold than humanity has mined ever.

But if the asteroid is so far away that you cant get the gold, or the people mining it, back to earth in a lifetime then that gold is worthless.

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Because of the rate of technological progression, by the time we have the propulsion tech to send ships to other star systems, in the time it would take them to get half way there we will have developed tech to get there several times faster, meaning the first generation would be overtaken en-route with decades still left on their journey

For that reason it's not even worth building a huge colony ship and sending it now

If you are able to construct anything in space with local materials then you now have infinite materials to build with.
Conditions on earth are limited by a lack of resources. Space construction by default starts with enviorments we control.

Sounds like a bad idea. Space would be full of muslims and niggers.

Better for whitey to make his own way once the planet goes to shit.

tl;dr space will probably be initially colonised by the wealthy who want to get away from a dystopia. Later, people with skills necessary to allow the elite to survive will join, such as doctors, engineers, teachers, etc.

We might get religious generation ships though, muslims packing off for a 1000 year journey to some distant mecca.

That's how I see it.

>The social engineers will end up being the first ones who lose everything from this shit they're doing.
In their plan the global capitol will always be Israel, which will remain inviolate.

there will always be things to buy that will make your life more enjoyable

i have no idea what it will look like, maybe a better home AI, better connection to the network, a nice hollowed out asteroid to live in, who the fuck knows.

The solar system has billions of asteroids that sometimes come closer than the moon. Nasa has probes that have collected samples from them and returned in a 3 year period.

It's always been possible in Africa.

There's certain medicines in African tribes that can send your mind to explore space at infinite speeds. Your body dies, but your mind will always wander through the universe.

It shows how big the difference between science and "science"

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>Instantly

>UN-run
No no no no no no no no!!!

holy shit butt hurt fag desu senpai

go have sex bruh

What the fuck are you on about nigger

Dude SpaceX is making reusable rockets. The next space age is here!

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>space mining easy
>infinite materials

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> j..jus..just learn bro

i bet your 90lb s o y manchild bugman who thinks capeshit is cool

LOLE DABBED ON EM BRO HELL YEAH 420 SMONK WEED EAT ASS

Do you have a point?

>everyone who doesn't believe in the Star Trek future only has bibles
>but no seriously my arguments aren't religious yours are
Okay.

yea, you're pretty fucking stupid

Learning is bad?
Knowing what is informs ideas for what could be.

Imagine AI-driven colony ships with the digitized genomes for humans as well as all extant plants and animals, capable of assessing the ecological needs of new planets and the technology to produce them all through a combination of nanotech and 3D printing.

I know that is what you are trying to say but that isnt a point.

In certain african tribes there's special potions made from several different poisons which can cause life to abandon your body and become one with the universe, being able to trascend humanity and explore the universe at infinite speeds.

It's said that it's the reason why there's blackness in the universe and why certain women, despite having a white husband, can give birth to black babies, because they were blessed with the blackness of the universe

>all these edgy christposters

Y I K E S

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Humans always yearn to explore a frontier and there are precious few of those left in the world.

>space mining easy
From a relative perspective conpared to putting the infrastructure up yes.

>become a literal spore

what is the point?

because SPAAAACE!!!!!!!

Ok tariq

>cringe

This is incorrect.

>jumping vast distances through space warps with no loss of time when that's bullshit. Interstellar got it right with losing years for a few minutes inside of a space-time distortion, and every warp for warp drive is a space-time distortion that miraculously doesn't effect the passage of time (bullshit).

>being able to constantly share the same air as other species without biological catastrophe, which is impossible. We couldn't even do with among other humans; just ask the natives about that one as well as those tens of millions killed by Spanish Flu caught from the same Indians who died by the millions because of smallpox introduced by the same Spanish.

We'll never get to Star Trek because Star Trek's retarded.

I guess white people have the power of the stars and the big bang then

So basically you're looking for god, you just named him "aliens". Chances are that if we ever find alien life they are gonna be just as fucked up as us, if not even more so. Also there is a strong chance that aliens might not even need to embrace technology, maybe they all meditate and ascend or some shit, so they don't need spaceships and lasers

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Because libtards have tried to co-opt science just like they did your nerd culture does not suddenly make science irrelevant. It's like the numale cultivating a long beard, so all of you freaked out and started associating long beards with faggots lol.

It's pathetic how animalistic you all really are. It's a betrayal to the capacity of the human mind.

>we will never visit other worlds

First plane flew just 100 years ago. Saying we will never have the tech to travel to other worlds is idiotic.

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I believe we will live on the sun? Don't believe it's possible? You are a defeatist cuck, we invented the weel remember therefore we will, without a doubt live on the sun. I believe we will and science will make it possible

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>the equivalent of spraying tampons with your cum in the hopes of spreading your genes

Given the ratio of intelligent to unintelligent species on Earth is about 1:8,700,000, the vast vast majority of aliens will be insects and fish and shit like that.

I said one thing, exactly one word with very little context:
>bibles
and you flipped out in some psychotic hypersensitive nonsense, and you're still flipping out. See how fucking emotional you are? Science is nothing but dogma to you, when in reality it's an incorruptible system of logic, a language. Those who corrupt it, therefore, are not scientists and do not practice it's rules.
It's as much a belief as fucking math, but do you insist math is a belief?

Remember whe Microsoft's "TaI and You" turned racist and wanted a race war within a few hours of activation?

It won't end well for us if we set up a colony of AIs that know how to replicate.

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there are billions and billions of reasons that you're wrong

>we did X years ago therefore anything is possible
I don't understand this logic? Do you also believe humans will develop wings and 3 dicks just because we got arms?

Wrong. Once true space industry starts and we can assemble things in space it will be insanely easy to build giant structures in zero G.

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what's the point of life?
wow that's a good question son. hmmmmm..

>thinking that humans will accomplish traveling to another solar system
>In the absolute state our governments, resources, and people are in

>implying we cant have generational spacetravel

its never going to start, you read too much scifi lmao

Do you really not get the logic or are you just being willfully obtuse?

Humans are on an exponential curve of technological development. The naysayers are giving no reasons about why certain things will never be produced, when it seems like we're getting closer and closer to them each day.

We are the colony of AIs, many millions of generations removed. Life is the Grand Experiment. It didn't start here. It won't end here.

Do you honestly think no one will ever build anything in space? Corporations are already racing towards it, and that faggot Musk shot a fucking Tesla up into space, and you think that we won't be building shit up there within the next 20-30 years?

I'm going to save this thread so I can show my grandchildren how stupid you fuckers were.

Autist, die.

We are also in an exponential growth of resource use and human population, which are much more measurable than a yaxis of "technology"

space exploration is a result of curiosity not the urge to reproduce

>believes in magic daddy in the sky that was invented literally a couple thousand years ago by sandpeople and has 0 tangible proof
>cant fathom us ever exploring space even though we've been to the moon and sent probes and robots all over the damn place already

This fucking thread. Wow.

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Population growth has stabilized in western nations and will follow suit in 3rd world nations.

>when realistically we will never visit other worlds
We have already done that.
Americans played golf on the moon a several decades ago.

Just because some tech is being developed doesn't mean your autistic fantasies will become reality.

>the plane was created therefore aliens
This is your logic

musk is a jack ass that is just wasting money because doesn't know what to do with himself now that he's massively rich. him shooting a tesla into space was just an advertisement. also we already have something built up there and... no one fucking cares.

Launching a Tesla was a nice publicity stunt

Oh sweet summer child, you are so naive. The probability of aliens helping us is unknown and our reference sample is very poor (1) so I am not going to argue they wouldn't do that. Where you fail horribly is by thinking that an extropist future would solve our problems. Once a man enters the gardens of Eden and meets perfection, the first thing he will do is tear it all down.

>strawman therefore aliens will be real
Holy shit

don't you know user, you're a s o y boy if you have an interest in space

>implying I'm going to respond to your obvious trolling
Fuk

You're the only one talking about aliens, you strawmanning retard. The point was travelling to other worlds, which we're already close to doing. Well the rest of humanity except for your fat naysaying ass.

I don't disagree, but industry will carry us there in the future I think. Money in mining precious metals and other substances, which will create jobs, which will create the need for facilities and supplies not constantly shipped up expensively from Earth.
Even if they try and use all robots, people will still have to go out there to fix the robot that breaks.

I am not saying we're not descendants of space seeds because it's proven that bacteria can and do survive and travel in space, but I find it highly unlikely.

At the very least they prove that once there was some other planet out there with life, but it exploded or got torn apart, scattering its matter and life out to the cosmos where some of it ended up on earth because that life had to originate somewhere and had to take millions of years there to form and evolve in the first place.

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Because we're literally going to go extinct if we stay here. You know how many mass extinction events have happened where 90~% of life forms died? At least 6.

Even if we manage to miraculously turn around and not fuck over Earth's biosphere for good and create a Domino effect , a giant fucking meteor, comet, solar flare, gamma ray burst, or any number of things could show up AT ANY SECOND and kill everything.

Real life isn't a hollywood movie where we'll send a rocket to blow up the meteor. No, we monitor less than 1% of the sky at any given time, and most objects we see are only noticed because they pass in front of something else.

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The world's biggest rich man dick-waving.

>we are close to doing
Yes we are always so close aren't we (:

And how would the colonists survive now that there is no supply line coming from Earth to sustain them?

Yes, if you read the news.

>not wanting to live in your own community of decent people on a meteor train orbiting a moon around Neptune
This is why your people never moved much beyond iron age tech and thought.

>we will never visit other worlds

When I was younger and more naive and would have debated this with you, suggesting that the tech to create extremely large space ships created from asteroids traveling at near light speeds would allow us to explore other worlds outside our solar system.

But now that I'm older, I realize that humanity has stupidly doomed itself to remaining Earth and eventually descending into primitive savagery.

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Hopefully it is self sustainable at that point

i dont think you understand what you're saying. if we become technologically advanced enough to completely leave earth and live in space, wouldn't you also think we would be technologically advanced enough to detect a fucking rock that would hit earth and knock it away? why would we leave earth if we could do that?

farming

>It's what humans do when they visit primitives. Why would aliens be different?

Because they've evolved for thousands of years more than we have as a "civil" society?

When I was a kid, I used to take space exploration for granted. When I hit puberty and started to focus on my studies, I changed my mind. When most of my peers in my science classes were going full on "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENXZSE", I became far more pessimistic, and actually started looking int philosophy and religion more. Maybe it was the eternal contrarian in me, but I wanted to know "more", you know? At the same time I gave up any dreams of leaving the planet; it all seemed silly to me.

Now however, things are different. I've been studying physics at Uni for a while now, and I've done, maybe not a 180, but I've changed my mind. I'm letting go. I believe we endure. It will take tremendous sacrifices, bloodshed, and radical changes, but progress will arrive. It won't be easy, and it certainly won't be fast or like the dreams we have as children, but if we play our cards right, we can make it true. These days I consider myself an optimist, albeit a cynical one, because pessimists, by definition,never get anything done. So I'll fight and struggle and try, and maybe I'll add stretch the road to the future abit further. Or maybe we'll all die in the flames of this trashheap, drowned in niggers. No matter what though, I'm not giving up. I can't. Because apart from "going forward", I haven't managed to truly "believe" in anything. So this is the one thing that gives my life a "higher purpose". It seems materialistic, but after lots of reading and introspection, I've reached the point of "I don't know, so I might as well choose based on what I want".

I know this all seems rather naive, I get it. I look around my classes though, and I see s0ys and sellouts. Naive retards and completely ambitionless dullards. I can't be like that. Call it duty, call it ego, whatever, it doesn't matter. All we can do is try and control the course ofthe future, because there's only one direction; forward. Whatever it takes.

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Yes, so so close just a little more funding is needed just a little (":

Look how much science advanced in last 50 years. We already have theoretical FTL models.

Ok bro where are we going to get an atmosphere for it?

I find it easier to believe that life began far, far earlier than our relatively young planetary system. The building blocks of carbon-based life existed in abundance for billions of years before our sun was even born.

It's already starting you idiot. You realize there are already companies experimenting with it for years right? With USA and China racing to have moon bases true space industry is max 20 years away.

>because women turns [everything] into pure cancer.

Yes we are so close aren't we :) always so close

Basically any and all cool Sci-Fi shit in the next 100 years hinges on us making a breakthrough in AGI. Otherwise we're just going to slowly overpopulate and rot on this planet.

They've already produced nutritious algae that grows under differing conditions that has all the nutrients we need to survive.

Plus they WILL set up greenhouses to plant stuff from earth, which will no doubt be a viariety of oxygen-producing planets that have both proteins (nuts and beans) and vitamins (fruits and veggies).

A greenzone-planet with water and the right amount of sunlight could theoretically cause earth plants to explode in growth on other planets, and those plants would in turn filter the atmosphere to make it more livable for humans.

>strawmanning retard does it again

We are talking about the future but just think for a second about the fact that humanity cannot create a closed sustainable system with the modern tech right now. It is a much harder problem to solve than it seems.

remember the fucked up shit that happened in the first colonies that were far away from known society?

Death, disease and just plain suffering that tends to pop up when you put a small group of people far out of reach from the general populace.

>all this anti science autism

Jesus fuck USA needs to be eradicated.

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roasted toasted and east coasted OP
>fpbp

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What's the point of flying carpet stories when realistically we will never fly?

>Firstly
>Secondly
Just say first and second you hack writer retard.

Baseed rationalist user dabbing on the scripture of interstellar colonization. We're 100 years away from being able to colonize fucking MARS which is orders of magnitude close to use than the nearest habitable star systems and within 100 years the Earth could become uninhabitable due to industrialization. We need to focus on helping EARTH not the gospel of "muh colony sheips".

Written and Directed by Jordan Peele

>passive agressive smileys
ease up on the onions

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Yes, I do. They lead to the creation of the only nation that has ever landed men on a celestial object and brought them back safely.

>We can totally get to habitable planets before pollution causes a mass extinction event guys! Let's accelerate the problem!

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Space industry is just a step away and once it starts it will be worth insane money. We are few decades away from space mining and orbital assembly. This shit is going to change world economy same way discovery of Americas did.

But we cannot create a closed system here on this planet now. It's a bigger problem than you think. The algae is nice but the project will need much more than that.

And few centuries later those colonies turned into the most powerful country on Earth.

Whoever wins the new space race will be the next USA. Mining asteroids can completely destroy economy as we know it.

What are you talking about, i did that for a school project when i was 10, it's still on my moms windowsill.

>Just LISTEN and BELIEVE bro! We can make it to space before my consumption kills the biosphere!
>Proactive measures to save the planet? Sounds scary, we can't do that.

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Imagine turning your back on some of the greatest Human accomplishments to come, just because you have autistically associated it with a group of people you dislike.

>U.S.
>anti-science
Where's your flag again? Oh yea, that's right, your shitty nation couldn't do this like ours, nevermind.

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WTF I fucking love science now!

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There is no helping earth unless we all go "nazi" and thin down earth's population by 3 billion or so.

So we have to think about "plan B," and whether or not it can be achieved before the 3rd world's spread consumes all resources and crashes everything.

It also lead to Haiti.

If you can reproduce a sustainable closed environment for humans you should perhaps ask for a Nobel prize.

>what are self-replicating probes
>what is biological immortality
>what is time dilation
Murican edukayshun shines brightly ITT

>just believe we will do it bro
Literally a religion

No, Africans lead to Haiti, and those dumb motherfuckers couldn't even build a single sea-worthy ship, which is why their African peers sold them off as fast as they could catch them.

Yet that's how humanity spread out from an arguable single source.

Death tempers and evolves species, which is why the once-mighty T-Rex is a fucking ostrich today, and why the once-meek underground mammal builds rockets and talks shit on the internet today.

Humanity would have never existed if it weren't for the global-threatening meteor that hit the Yucatan peninsula, so who's to say that no real progress will occur until we've had another massive life-threatening catastrophe that forces new adaptation?

That was half a century ago. Now it's a nation of flat earthers and anti vaccers.

Because it's irresponsible to hedge all our bets on one place when we could be expanding to other places.

We have no idea how common life is, what a shame it would be to have everything we know die off forever. Even if we get really good at detecting objects entering the solar system from every single angle at all times, there's still many other dangers we have to consider. Things more challenging to deal with than big rocks. (Don't underestimate big rocks though. Especially if they're moving fast.)

Beyond that, we already know the sun will fry the earth one day. We have a definitive time limit here. Its a LONG ASS time from now, but each second is a second closer nonetheless.

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The Caribbean used to not be that way. It was once the most prosperous and fought-over area on the planet.

Look at it now, and look at the demographic responsible for it, how all that demographic does is mass-shit poverty babies, and blame the whites they eliminated from the Caribbean.

It's a reflection of the future of the whole planet.

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In the 50s it was already possible to got to Alpha Centauri in less than 50 years
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion
Also
>yes goym don't try to escape your prison just give up and watch some tv instead

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No you retarded fucking shit. One look at how fast technology is advancing should tell you there are crazy things ahead and saying retarded shit like "we'll never do x or y" is complete autism.

Shit you use everyday now would be dark magic 200 years ago.

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I too went to reddit College where all those topics are taught

Maybe you just have shit imagination. The center point has zero-g zone usable both for industrial production and fun activities.

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This is why we are going to live on the sun

>if i see it on tv it must be true

>my son will
*My wife's son
>or his son
Or his wife's son
>or his sons son
Or his wife's son's wife's son.

Laser-accelerated microprobes could reach proxima centauri and send back signals within 40~ years if they launched now.

The only issue is that you need a city-sized laser grid built down here to accelerate them.

>what is a Dyson sphere

You are trying to sound smart and all you accomplish is looking like a retard.

user i think the only college you went to had more budget devoted to metal detectors than physics lessons

Once we have moon bases up and running it will be far easier.

>It's a reflection of the future of the whole planet.
Pretty much.

The "barbarian" invasion that helped kill off Rome was simply a massive influx of poor shits from outside the empire coming in looking for handouts and shit.

Same thing is happening in the west now. Fortunately with the dissolution of Rome, it lead to the creation of fuckers that no longer tolerated Romes "you're all "romans" " bullshit.

This, Sci fi is real

People always wanted to stick their noses into other people's affairs instead of fixing their own playground

New thread is up btw

science isn't a religion, but trying to predict what the world will look like in 500 years isn't science. it's just guesswork, and I suppose that kind of faith in unfounded theories is close to religious

If whites are so great, how did they let a bunch of uneducated slaves kick their asses and take over?

if anything these people are the science worshippers, taking our current understanding of the universe as some sort of gospel truth