Heres your siege army bro

You don't need any of that shit to siege a castle, just enough men to cut off their supplies

You do need that shit for intimidation. Oh and where is the baggage train containing the supplies for the besieging army?

They are built on spot, that is they were built like that historically. You ain't gonna haul shitload of wood around.

to run down ennemy moles

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Why are they all formed up like that? What is the Tyrell's had defensive siege engines?

Castles could hold out for years with food reserves usually, usually way more than temporary army camps without constant supply.

>mfw last year when some autist here counted down the army to a man
Anyways yeh it's not a lot. For a show of their budget at least.

how many dudes?

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I hope someone already commented on all the copy pasting going on in this pic.

it's ~4500, give or take a few
it's not hard to count it you faggot
you don't count man by man, you just count one cohort and then count all the other cohorts
are you a nigger or just fucking dumb
lemme stop you right there
you're a nigger aren't you
nnp np np
don't even answer
we both know it

Fuck off nigger. The guy had dropped down markers for each guy he counted. Of course you can assume was each group is comprised of in men but that guy went over checking off each man present in the valley.

Fuck you nigger.

It's actually 5500, just counted it. You dumb fuck.

Tyrell? More like Tyrone l m f a g o

wtf boys, why didn't dothraki help the tyrells and flank the lannister army?
they were right there

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btfo
Hahaha how embarrassing. You're brown.

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I think that's just some trees user...

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have sex

meet me somewhere, bitch

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writers have nothing to do with this

very very sloppy

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They can't keep getting away with this

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Got more triggered with Olenna saying

>our sigil is the rose, we don't know how to fight
YOUR GRANDSON IS LITERALLY ONE OF THE TOP FIGHTERS IN THE SEVEN REALMS YOU OLD CUNT

Where the elefonts?

Olenna is a retard in the show

hey wait a minute!

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Overrated, just have a swordsman attack the castle until it starts burning if they don't have Murder Holes researched.

the perspective looks fucked, look at those troops at the back close to the trees, they're not aligned properly or something, looks as if they're floating
also the whole thing looks fake as fuck, cheap cgi pasted onto terrain

>Sarrasins
Are you French? It's 'Saracen' in English.

>horses in the middle of infantry
>retarded densely packed reverse wedge formation
>no archers or skirmishers
>walking right up to castle walls
>no siege equipment

I guess the writers are too worried about taxes and female empowerment to bother with having not retarded battle scenes

HUMUS

Some randomization would have made such a huge difference. Why did they stop trying.

they hired like 2k mercenaries, too, dumbfuck.

They didn’t have a historical Caesar to base their meta around.

The whole formation is stupid and looks awful.

>stuck in the back
>can't see shit cause this fucktard brought a fucking moose
>my feet are tired
>I just wanted to sail west

>That skirmish sized 'army'
>Those absolutely retarded formations
>Straight up walking towards the settlements

This is literally Medieval 2: Total War, including the braindead AI.

There's not even 1500 people in that image retard

I don't have an appropriate brainlet image for you, user.

That's gotta be like 4,000 men at most. That's not even a big enough army for battle.

I hired your mother for the week you mouth breathing abortion

Based

Remember the battle of the bastards? Davos leading a charge of bowmen into battle. Fucking retarded.

As shitty as the CGI is, the designs from those films are really underrated. Dare I say it, borderline kino even?

They have Stannis, but the show fucked him up too.
>hurr durr what are scouts?

SO each formation looks like 70 people about 90 formations

So a siege with around 6300 people to 7000 people

They could honestly be held off by 50 to 100 men. but as this is a critical cancel on a choke point they should have at least 1000 reserve troops after accounting for the ones that went with Rob

There is no reason the siege should be successful

>elves get btfo by dwarf twirly whirlies
>5 minutes later jump over an impenetrable dwarven shield wall to take the charge for them
Why did Jackson make the elves such massive cucks? Was it racism?

they did haul a shitload of wood around actually, the romans are most famous for this, and they could throw up a wooden fort in the middle of a battle, medieval armies did this sometimes as well

the design is nice but shit looks like the polar express

>Romans were playing Fortnite

How many roman legions would it take to realistically take the entirety of Westeros considering their formations and army sizes?
Would a mediocre patrician general be able to conquer westeros single handedly?

they could build ponton bridges while under archery fire too

Imagine living a few thousand years, then being told you have to go and fight a die over a fancy necklace.

just one legion and yes

>place worst units on walls
>only one unit at gate
>don't move archers away from siege ladders or towers anchor points
>immediately fall back to the square as soon as the gate is broken and a single enemy unit is on the wall
>stand still in a dense mass while besiegers shower arrows at their leisure

I love medieval TW2 but every siege is a predictable foregone conclusion.

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It's because the perspective of the army doesn't match the perspective of the landscape. If you look at the trees, they are viewed from a lower angle, while the army is in a bird's eye view perspective.

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No. That is an army of 40,000 dathraki screamers.

Here's the powerlevels
Common unarmed guy

Realistically given what we've seen, a single legion could take the continent, though it would take a very long time and the majority of the army would need to be locals and mercenaries. Optimally, given westeros inept rulers and infighting mixed with its benevolent geography and infrastructure, three Roman legions could pacify the whole continent within 10-15 years.

>within 10-15 years.
Is that with or without teleporters?

why did the total war series go to shit..? why did the complexity go down as the series advanced? why did they remove features instead of adding new ones as the series progressed..?

life is unfair..

Or that time your woodland utopia is pillaged by dirty dwarves because your king couldn't contain his autism over a commissioned necklace. What is it with Tolkien and jewellery as a plot device?t

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They played fortnite before it was cool

Actually I think the angle of the landscape is even lower but this is basically what's happening here yes.

Read a book.

How would the Romans take The Neck? Can they handle a few Based Bogmen?

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Considering what Ramsey did with 20 good men, a single legion of hardy sins of Rome would have all of Westeros from dorne to past the wall conquered and working on taking essos

>no wagons with supplies
>no animal herds being led alongside so they can be slaughtered and provide fresh meat for the troops
>no roads and trails left from the army as they trample all the grass
>no farms or farmhouses surrounding the castle (what the fuck is the castle protecting? trees and empty fields?)
>that stretched out grass texture
>no banners
>everyone is wearing dark colors
>no mass of engineers and guildsmen to help build siege equipment
>not even a fucking ladder for them to climb the walls
>they havent even encamped yet far out beyond the castle walls so they can protect themselves from sallies
>everyone is packed in tight, easy targets for archers
good luck doing it now the archers on top will fuck up your formations as you try and retreat to build it
1/10 i would destroy that piece of shit army if i were in charge of the defenses

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It took the Romans 40 years to wholly conquer Britain up to the scottish mountains, and back then it was a rugged, forested land full of hundreds of thousands of angry celtic warriors who had no paths but rutted dirt tracks through scrub wood to travel on, and no effective ports or even cities capable of being supply depots. Westeros has less men, more roads, more ports, and more plains. Legions could easily cover westeros from end to end in a month. your fat ass not being able to march a mile in less than 2 hours does not reflect on the speed legions on clear roads could march.

Oh yes, I forgot the 20 good men.
They would of course rank above the common soldier.

you dont need siege with late game bretonnia, they have enough pegasus and griffon knights to just fly onto the walls and smash everything

>Keked

They should of just rendered the scene in game...

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>should of

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Elves would never go to war. Why would anyone who lives thousands of years risk their life for what would be to them just another insignificant war between mayflies. Would you go fight and die in Iraq if you've lived since the time of the Roman republic? You'd be so detached from the world that you probably wouldn't even notice yet another war in Babylon.

desu they were probably the commanders and their retinues, and it's not like cavalry is THAT useful in a siege (it can be but still)

>100k Sarrasins
No. Those number did exist in Syria at that time, Saladin's army that took Jerusalem was considered the largest possible, and it was only 40K. While this was later and different dynasty, probably wasn't more than 10K.

I'm on a laptop and just have a touchpad, so humor the bad drawing.

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Just because you're a pussy doesn't mean Chad elves are

I have been playing since Rome 1 and you're full of shit, Attila is the hardest and probably the best total war to date, medieval 2 and rome 1 were piss easy.
Warhamms are simpler but they bring a lot of new stuff, new fantasy elements and game mechanics so you can't have it all I guess.
Medieval 2 is still my favourite TW but you can't say the complexity dropped it's just not true...

Everyone in the show just fucking walks through it.

How did the Knights of the Vale get through it? How did Brienne and Podrick? How did the Unsullied fair so well marching through it? Where the fuck are the crannogmen?

They're bored of living and ready to go

ON AN OPEN FIELD?

I don't think anyone in the writing staff ever looked up how medieval warfare worked. I don't know much myself but I know even when they got gunpowder artillery cannons it was still very difficult to assault well defended castles.

Are you really this oblivious about the teleporter memes in GoT?

>all the butthurt sandniggers trying to deny history
Mudslimes suck at fighting. Deal with it

go build some more onagers you faggot

A lot of sieges were just that, sieges. As in they wouldn't actually assault the defenders, just prevent them from getting any more supplies until they surrendered

/twg/ where you at

Why does that dude need a ladder to go over that wall?

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The arab empire that spread islam would disagree, muhammed is literally a warlord

Why would anyone with a brain land the ships in the bay within range of arrows? Even the Crusade naval invasion we have to base his event around was way smarter than this.

You land on a beach close and establish a beach head keeping your ships safe from danger. You do t sail them right between two towers into a bay.

Stannis was as dumb.

A square formation vs the cavalry with archers in the center would have saved him despite numbers at the north battle also.

He is said to be a ‘great commander’ but never did anything to deserve that

Perspective in paintings was non existent in middle ages.

probably jerking off to some rats

>why did the complexity go down as the series advanced?

You've been under the fucking rock.

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checked

Check out this cute rato I found my ratbros

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How hard is it to not fuck up even the simplest things? Like your tents are bigger than your enemies towers.

The Romans would send in their local auxiliaries and mercenaries to flush the savages out. They'd burn every village and hut they found, drain swamps, cut down forests, build walls and watch towers, fill in sink holes and caves. Roman military engineering was their true stength. Savages couldn't hide in a forest if you tore that forest down.

It's explained that the wall near the beach was particularly weak compared to the rest of Kings Landing. It would've been impossible to walk up to it as you'd have to walk along the rest of the walls.

Baibars had more than 60000 men at Ain Jalut. Boy do I love when people just talk out of their asses.

sloppy job mossad

It's not meant to be a realistic depiction m8, it's meant to describe an event in one quick frame.

Think how theatre frequently use oversized props so that people can see what the fuck is going on despite being far away

I ignore shitty memes

Elves are hypocrites who believe themselves to be better than all other races but are just waiting for any justification to brutalize their enemies.

>we Tyrells are not very good soldiers tee hee
there's your siege weaponry bro

underrated

But it wasn’t particularly weak because you would have to land on the beach in the middle of a fortified bay to get there.

The structural weakness obviously outweighed having to sail into the bay, its established that Stannis has complete naval domination as well.

Guess that's true. The common plebs probably didnt care too much about realistic perspective and proportions in pictures back then. They were probably more excited to see some actual drawings of events.

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You are looking at it in the wrong way, lack of perspective was a a stylistic choice because artists wantet to convey importance of things. For example Jesus is bigger in medieval paintings not because he was a 2.5 meter chad but because it showed the importance of Jesus. Also a lot of medieval paintings were made in books and these paintings weren't bigger that playing cards so there were physical limitations.

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Tyrells literally had all the food in the seven kingdoms though. The Lannister no catapults meme army just showed up and dabbed on them with their instant victory cinematic.

the only possible explanation is that they paid off the garrison to open the gates

Realistically how long would it take him to beat the NK/Westeros if he had 1 (one) army and deathclaw.

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>have complete land and naval superiority
>throw it all away by immediately attacking the walls instead of starving out the defenders

I guess Stannis's tax policy was too lenient for him to pay for a sustained siege.

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>"You need to come south. You need a taste of summer before it flees. In Highgarden there are fields of golden roses that stretch away as far as the eye can see. The fruits are so ripe they explode in your mouth—melons, peaches, fireplums, you've never tasted such sweetness." - Robert Baratheon

What did D&D mean by this?

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Ancient armies didnt drag siege engines around, Its impossible. They brought the engineers with them and built them on the spot and it took them weeks.

But I dont expect them to do that either on the show.

you also have to consider that materials were expensive so you have to represent as much as you need to with what you have, its no wonder that art got better as new paints and canvases were discovered that were easier to create

Fireplums give me the shits I never buy them.

No, most sieges ended within the year without outside resupply of the castle.

why the fuck wouldn't you clear cut around your castle

> quasi-medieval feudal army
> in perfectly aligned formations
> everybody wearing the same uniform
> cavalry mixed in among infantry
> where it can’t maneuver

Bravo, D&D…

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they don't need siege engines cause they have dragons

>trees surrounding your castle to give enemy cover
??????

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People don't know that D&D got their medieval warfare knowledge from Age of Empires 2.

House Arryn is the best but how did the Knights of the Vale get to Winterfell undetected?

If they went by land how did they get through Moat Cailan?

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The series was already dumbed down shit by the time Medieval 2 came out. Only the first two games are good.

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You need siege weapons in Age of Empires 2 though.

literal retardation if you think medieval 1 is worth playing

It's a show for women in their twenties, what do you expect.

Why are they building trebuchets defensively in Winterfell?

Turn off your brain lad

Uniformed medieval armies can't be avoided.

Plebs would be confused.

Elven death != human death

Not if you spam Two-Handed Swordsmen and Champions and Tarkans

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Sieging is ez pz bro

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literal retardation if you play medieval 2
guns and pikes don't even work and the ai shits its pants every siege battle

Git gud

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>It's got wuxia bullshit in it
Hard pass

Fuck I might have to install a Total War game again

Since they "battalions" of 20 horse are exact copies of each other, why didnt they copy 10x more of them?
This is a warband I wouldn't even present to my mother

>it's siege/rivers crossing episode

play a good game instead

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Crannogmen would probably have let them through anyway because they don't like the Boltons and the Vale and the North were most recently allies. Plus they'd probably be aware that the Arryns and Starks are related.

is this from got?
what a stupid formation, who the fuck puts cavalry in the middle?
god damn even the actual war of the roses wasn't this bad

But the Boltons were holding the Moat.

The writers could have at least given some throwaway line that "House Reed has seized Moat Cailan from the Boltons without word getting out."

I'm guessing that Howland Reed is never showing up.

That way more of an issue that Davos didnt want to hit their own men unlike Ramsey and with that they were useless back there. On top of them being heavily outnumber there wasnt much of an option but to throw more in the meat grinder

They are reborn instantly in Valinor you dumb retard. Tolkien elves are also not hippies.

Here lad.

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Crannogmen took the Moat with 20 good men but then a dog chased them away. By the time the Valemen arrived the dog had put the towers to the torch and the people from the surrounding villages to the sword and moved on.

based dog

You dorks ever play Ultimate General Civil War. Fun as shit.

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fucking total war has a greater variaton of faces

Much better than the gunpowder TW games. The mission based structure where things carry over like Myth is better than the sandbox campaign as well.

Imagine being old and wise, then jumping over a dwarven shield/spear wall into a horde of Orcs

Imagine what could have been...

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It's because the AI will actually fight you to accomplish a goal. Sandboxing AI in Total war will never be good.

Have sex.

how did the Union fuck up Fredricksburg so hard?

I was actually the CS in that pic and ended up holding them back.

b-but I have a fiance' to have sex with

looks cool

It is. Fuck the union. We Gettysburg now!

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Literally jsut play one of the Total War games and copy one of the default formations on there

kek. Only old /twg/ posters will get this meme

>Tallest of all of the children of Eru
>Shanked to death by angry manlets

memehammer posters are cancer and should be banished

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found the writer.
lynch yourself scumbag.
No, wait. Lynch your family, then lynch yourself.
No, wait. Go lynch all the hollywood scum pumping out fake shit that gives young people a massively warped view of life, then lynch your family, and then finally, lynch yourself (with no survivors).

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It's good except for ff being off so you can just canister shot into your own lines while they are in melee

One way to look at it, those kinds of miniatures are from manuscripts, where space was at a premium, so the pictures were usually only a few inches across, now imagine if that walled city was in in the correct proportions to the humans, and you wanted to show both the city and the besieger's camp in one realistic frame, a person wouldn't even be the size of a dot in that picture, so the picture would be pretty pointless form a narrative perspective

Hence why Total War will never be good for anything but LARP.

this is now a /twg/ thread

post more carpets

awesome game used to play it with a buddy but he's in nippon now and hasnt had time for a new campaign

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so you don’t have a problem with magic and dragons but this bothers you? Ummmmmm ya. Have sex buddy

>Have sex
bend over

>have sex

best insult of 2019 thus far

>2012 technology

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Shogun 2 and the games before it had a crispness that the latters TWs just lack.

That looks really neat, user. Is there anything like it for other theatres?

It's a hack job. Probably done in a few hours in after effects.

>Keked

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he could've shot at the enemy archers.

about three fiddy

fuck lads i miss pre-warhammer /twg/

i'm really glad to see this post brother

fuck zoomers and muh rome

dumbass, I almost started doing it now. Obviously you don't count every man.

we all do

Based FoG2 poster
What do you reckon the next expansion will be?

youtu.be/u_p7K_3BZj8?t=630

Video related (and timestamped), The Battle of Dyrrachium pretty much was Fortnite, both sides competed to build a wall quickly and try and cut off the other. Romans were incredibly good at building, they took down and built their fort every day if they had to move, they were able to build whilst under attack. They would build forts and defences whilst only a few hundred metres away from a hostile army in battle formation.

myth is like the black company which is kinda like game of thrones
play it

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The greeks were pretty good as well. Pic related is Alexander building a bridge for his siege towers during the siege of Tyre. The towers moved with the bridge, providing cover for the workers.

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>assaulting castle walls immediately, taking heavy casualties due to the fortification
>not just standing around with a blockade, starving them out while lobbing diseased copses over the walls with a trebuchet, and having drinking parties and cookouts with your bros around the campfire

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imagine seeing that slowly rumbling towards like bowel cancer

>Greeks

Saracens suck dick

>romans spend a few months building massive ramp to assault the fortress
>when they finally get there the jewish rebels had already killed themselves to avoid capture

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>entire command just openly clumped up together trapped in the middle of infantry

That’s stupid. Archers would make short work of that.

>get to the main teutonic castle
>set up with your mates around it while getting drunk on mead
>fire a couple of cheeky bombard shots at the fortifications
>start waiting them out
>fast forward two weeks, half the unprotected bombards have been destroyed, turns out Teutons figured out the art of walking out the gate with a torch
>typhus has killed half the army
>reinforcements are rumoured to be coming from as far as the Hanseatic league
>realise how fucked up the situation is
>timetogo.jpg
It really is a toss-up, not an easy decision at all whether or not to assault
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Malbork_(1454)

pretty cool to look at

The ramp in question is that greyish slope on the right btw. You can still see it to this day.

Yup. I read that it was partially rebuilt in the 80s for some TV-series though. So what we see in the picture isn't necessarily the work of only roman hands.

Bulgarian larpers pls go

Autism Simulator 2019

Cut be an ancient heroic British siege technique. Flex your army at their doorsteps and say "we will cut every man and boy's throat, and rape every woman and girl inside this castle if you don't surrender immediately".

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Based, WHITE and redpilled Fall of the Eagles Chad. Late Antiquity is the best period, Attila is the best game and has the best ASoIaF mod.

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given westeros is roughly the size of the americas how come the population and recruitable manpower doesn't reflect this?

you put your general in the middle and spam rally cry to keep your men from routing

>the number of times that huge fucking armies get ambushed by other huge fucking armies as if scouts didn't exist
oh god why

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context?

its roughly the size of south america also at this point in the series i guess it makes sense since the wars have dragged on for some time. In the first season the Lannister armies for example are quoted in the several tens of thousands (Tywin gives Jaime half their forces, stating 30,000 men)

The third line of the pre-Marian legions was made out of trees.

... poo pee poo poo...

Incase is based in any case

shame it runs like hot garbage no matter what

But an actual siege isn't fun, exciting and captivating enough

This.

Shogun was the first game on the new engine yet it still felt like a good total war game. How come all those that came past it are dogshit?

>But I don't expect them to do that either on the show.
i would.
sounds like a good time for character development or to show off some obscure siege equipment that would help them win.
or hell even cut away and see what another character is doing.

this is just lazy writing.

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>first game on the new engine
"no.."

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It just had a lot more care put into it, although it wasn't the first with the new engine.
I still can't stand the way Rome 2 and its expansions look and play, while Shogun 2 still manages to look appealing.

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>try to satisfy 18th century itch with Empire and Napoleon
>doesn't work because tactics don't mean shit and the battles are undersized
If there is a game set in that general period that actually has a nice, focused campaign and decent battles that actually reward good period-appropriate strategy I'd be all over it. Would be way into Ultimate General as well, if I didn't have a hard time getting into the American Civil War.

How based can one man be

did you watch the episode? they had to act quick because Dany's army was storming Casterly Rock, where the Lannisters army was expected to be, if they were to start a regular siege, she'd surely wise up and storm them from behind before the siege would become effective

Sounds like fall of the Samurai might be right up your alley, then. It captures line infantry warfare better than empire ever managed to do. The atmosphere is also pretty great.

>run to the wall
>throw rope
>climb up
>still have strength to fight
m2tw everyday

10 good men.

> Attila is the hardest and probably the best total war to date
Its certainly the most tedious.

Oh I know FotS, Shogun 2 is my favourite TW. But it still doesn't quite scratch that itch; the need for a proper musket strategy game.

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are we ignoring the fact that romans hadn't invented steel and didn't have heavy cavalry? Sure seems like everyone is

>are we ignoring the fact that romans hadn't invented steel

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idc if this is bait, ramsay's archers were too far

yes I'm dumb

You're meant to be highly critical of claims about troop numbers in pre-modern sources.

Otherwise you fall for Caesar counting every woman and baby in a migrating tribe as a trained, fierce warrior he defeated.

Scourge of War: Waterloo

One of my friends asked me if I was excited for the new season of Game of Thrones. I launched into a 10 minute rant about how the writers and staff don't give a shit anymore and entirely skip entire sieges in favor of gay time wasting CGI bullshit.

The joke is that I enjoyed the latest episode more than he did and I was right about everything.

Romans didn't fuck around with sieges.

You're right, they didn't, which is why the guy you're replying to is correct. Greeks were the ones fond of sieges and would starve you out without a fight. Romans, on the other hand, stormed the walls, broke your front door down, then fucked your ass with a sword.

The extended 5 armies battle is as close as we'll ever get to a OldHammer live action battle.

Pikes do work they just can't fight on their own. To use pikes in med 2 you have to use them in a line with heavy infantry infront of them or else they start using their swords as they get entangled. As for guns they stop reforming so much if you put them in skirmish mode.

>one conquer-mode Alexander the Great wants to pray at a temple
>"go fuck yourself"
>one really pissed off Alexander the Great decides terraforming is the best course of action
A true legend

mods fix that problem altogether.

The ones at the front can exit easily, even though they'd have to loop around if they wanna go to the back, but the ones right in the middle - now that's fucking retarded on a whole new level.

>building them
>it can take weeks
They are literally doing that right now on the show. Winterfell is being fortified as the first line of defence, building trenches, pits,moats,siege weapons, painting dragon glass over the ramparts to prevent white walkers climbing over(look in the background when they walk along the wall) etc.
You have to remember there are a lot of timejumps in the show. Some scenes are actually taking place days or even weeks apart. That was confirmed by everyone from D&D to GRRM back in Season 3/4.

That's a pretty good double wall in a remote location.

>bigger than two towers

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Literally just pull a Julius Caesar and put a wall around a wall