Old Dukat did nothing wrong aside from perhaps being too lenient with the Bajoran terrorists, and except when he accidentally got himself stuck on the station while the boobytraps were going off, and then when he tried to screw over a rival politician by separating that politician from his son, but then he accidentally left a trail of clues and Garak caught him, and maybe that one time he accidentally got that chick pregnant and didn't abort, and when his whole life was ruined when he forgot that the Prophets were omnipotent beings inside the wormhole, and one time he tried to convince Sisko that he was perfectly sane, and went about this task by talking to imaginary tulpas, also the whole becoming Space Satan thing might have been ill advised, and of course all the times when he cheated on his wife, and when he had to perform dishonest tricks on women (including Mama Major) to get them to sleep with him, and IMO when he tried to cheat in a game of kalevian montar with Odo.
Upon further reflection, he actually did a whole lot wrong edition.
Why did they scrap the greatest Trek spinoff concept ever? I want to see the episode where Kira has to give Ziyal 'the talk' >Even as early as the series' first season, many story pitches ended up being unused for DS9. Fred Dekker, who worked on that initial season, later recalled, "On Deep Space Nine, we staff writers would hear pitches a few times a month, and I came across a couple of ideas that I thought would make terrific episodes. So I would write these up and submit them thinking, 'Yeah, this is going to make for a great episode,' only to never hear anything about them again. It was like throwing ideas into a black hole. Eventually someone said, we've got one of the biggest recurring casts in franchise history, why not create a small-scale spinoff?"[12] The spinoff, which was to be titled "Star Trek Deep Space Nine: Naprem" followed the eponymous ship and its crew, which had been introduced in the 4th season episode 'Return to Grace'. Cast would have included Marc Alaimo [Gul Dukat], Nana Visitor [Kira Nerys], Casey Biggs [Damar], and Melanie Smith [Tora Ziyal]; talks were conducted to bring Jeffrey Combs [Weyoun] in as a defective Vorta (a plotline which would later be used in Season 7).[13][14] Preliminary scripts outlined frequent guest starring from DS9 cast members as well as a romantic plot between Alaimo and Visitor, who had been enemies in DS9's original run. The idea was scrapped far into preproduction when studio concerns over split viewership and Visitor's pregnancy suggested an attempt to balance two shows at once would be damaging.[15]
I just want to get drunk. Being around other people makes me feel lonely. When Vic notices you it's like the whole sun is shining right down on you, but when he looks away there's no darker cold. I don't know why I keep going back. Maybe seeing the sun shine on other people reminds me there's still something decent in this world.
Jackson Ramirez
Whatever happened to TOS/Twin Peaks crossover posting?
I wear my heart on my sleeve and fear no man. I suspect one of my biological parents was an Andorian, I just show more of my human parent's side. Besides, the pink skin bants will be the foundation of our alliance.
Brandon Perez
I 'm almost finished watching tng but don't know what to watch next. do i watch the tng movies next or something else?
>When 9:00 p.m. finally rolled around, we were still waiting for a musical performance by Tim Russ, better known as "Tuvok" on "Star Trek: Voyager." He was surprisingly good, and did a very nice set. Also present at that 'dessert party' were Armin Shimerman, Denise Crosby, and Suzie Plakson, who mingled with the crowd. Shimerman was the only one other than Russ to stay after the concert. Maria introduced us to Tim, and then we chatted with Armin Shimerman before leaving. We stayed at my mom's, which was only six miles from the convention. youtube.com/watch?v=lz08KktAJq4
I was thinking about how if I were captain of a starship I'd replace the counselor with a bridge jester. On Fridays we all wear elaborate carnivale costumes unless we have other things we're supposed to be doing. Just stuff to give the crew something to look forward to.
To me, Barclay means hope. Even if his holodeck programs were shockingly distasteful and the records of his relentless searches for public anal humiliation vids were the shame of the computer system. Hope.
15 light years and 30 days, the last ones were the worst >wit-widdily-woo one minute i kneeled down and smoked and the next I stand accursed >dehnt-denenent-dehnt-deeyoo
>google powerful sexy gul dukat cosplay >0 results >google sexy gul dukat cosplay >0 results >google gul dukat cosplay >1 result >impossibly shameful moment of cringe >a man wearing a garbage bag and a Michael Myers Halloween mask is waving a gold dildo in the air The lesson? Gul Dukat is the unreachable summit of cosplay. All imposters have died on the climb.
You ever look a man in the eyes and know he's seen more than most people? Like he's left the real world and come back and sort of has everything figured out. They just radiate an aura of confidence and ancient wisdom, and control every situation they're faced with a calm attitude like yeah I've seen the other side of the sky, incorporeal thought forms you can't even imagine, so this passing blip in the infinite cosmos doesn't even phase me. Well, if you haven't met someone like that, I'd like you to say hi to my old pal Chester.
To think that all I did to this screencap was lighten it a bit to bring out the contrast and it has been reposted countless times. But actual real OC I have posted on Yea Forums has been forgotten forever. Thank you /trek/ I love you all.
We’re not gonna make it, Captain, our love levels are critically low! By my calculations, we’d need to reach at least 10 perfect trek gfs to keep this thread alive and we’re barely pulling 2!
Susan Oliver was fucking hot. The Cage was a great episode. Pike is basically being offered paradise and being able to pretty much have a fucking harem controlled by these aliens. He refuses on principle. He's not gay, at all. His choice is to submit and be given basically everything a heterosexual man could possibly want in entering the illusion. Or else realize that it is just that, and illusion; and that generations would be used as slaves to rebuild the society of these aliens. Yet, theirs was gone a long time ago.
>TOS: Peace is preferable >TOS Movies: War is avoidable >TNG: Peace is mandatory >DS9: War is inevitable >VOY: War is hell >ENT: Eye for an eye >STD: We wuz kangs
Connor Anderson
it ain't me it ain't me oooohhh the red white and blue!
>STD: We're stronger than the Klingon Empire No, you're not. They'll utterly destroy you. The idea of friendship and compromise only works if you're neutral. Why don't you ask any regional power or people what compromise and friendship did for them when total war broke out?
Xavier Lopez
Reminder that all your fanfics and modified holoprograms can be recalled and fanfics based on copyrighted works are illegal in the Federation, so I hope you holoincels learn to code.
she was really great in that episode, it blew me away, especially considering how bland and useless kes was (like some horrible test tube combination of keiko and deanna troi) thats just a 'demagogue' go to your local retailer for approved™ ideology
Christopher Richardson
Always loved his Darth Vader statuettes.
Jayden Stewart
>fanfics based on copyrighted works are illegal in the Federation Does copyright exist in a post-scarcity and post personal property society? Fuck the Feddies.
Jackson Cruz
Finished my rewatch of DS9. It's painful that there isnt anything in the ST universe that can compare. It's just too good, bros.
Grayson Moore
It's ok, kinda dumb that the fate of the galaxy is in 9 people's hands and the Dominion left the back door open.
>left the back door open You talking about how their line was weak in the center? Because that didn't matter in the end, they surrendered before the federation could take advantage. The war was won because the insurgents captured the Founder, and that situation had plenty of excuses, such as the black out from blowing up the power grid, and all the troops being out of the building because they were busy committing genocide. The founder thought they were unstoppable, which is well in line with their personality throughout the show, plus they didnt know at the time that someone would actually attack the command bunker.
Camden Kelly
I haven't seen a capeshit movie in 5 years, and I haven't watched a capeshit TV show in 10 years. No regrets.
Daniel Johnson
Also, those rebels only got in "the back door" because they brought out some cardassians to execute.
DS9 may be my favorite Trek, but it certainly isn't perfect.
Why couldn't the Jem'hadar just vaporize those Cardassians inside, instead of opening the door and taking them outside? Sloppy writing.
Levi Lee
It might have been a mistake to write in that they couldn't blow open the door, maybe that is just as silly as being lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time that they decided to execute the current leader of the cardassians at that moment, or that they even needed to do it outside since they had energy weapons and its not like it makes a huge bloody mess.
Justin Cruz
>Star Trek is fascist! nope, they refuse to open fire on helpless/unarmed civilians way too fucking much. they don't value warriors. Star Trek also frequently portrays characters that are not stereotypes of their race. Quark is a stereotypical fereng- oh wait, hes just a slightly shady businessman, he cares too much about what other people think to be a ruthless profit driven ape. Rom is terrible at business and cares not for latinum. Nog joins starfleet.
>captain sisko rekts a planet to get back at the maquis The Maquis literally poisoned the biosphere of an entire planet(only poisonous to a specific race). Sisko tit-for-tatted hard, and did the same to them. Sorry if that's how Sisko do, that was incredibly shitty to drop racial-specific nerve gas on the cardassian civilians, so the Maquis can fuck off. Oh and what did the Maquis warmongering autism do? That's right, Gul Dukat signed a pact with the Dominion and promptly wiped them ALL out. The Federation was right.
Look, you simply cannot argue a society like the Federation is fascist when it lets women do whatever the fuck they want, carries families around on their exploratory space ships, refuses to commit atrocities. They were literally aghast at the destruction of the Crystalline entity(which had turned several colonies to ashes unprovoked) and they literally(beta canon) tried the woman who killed it for genocide and imprisoned her.
Fascists don't care about the little people - they remove problematic elements from their society. Bashir going "why the fuck is this man with schizophrenia being allowed to live on the street? He could easily be cured." is not fascist. "Why the fuck is this man not being executed" is fascist. Anyway, suck my cock
Isaac Turner
/pol/ posters love to pretend that Star Trek isn't a sci-fi show about the liberal agenda reaching its apex.
I mean, technically, the only people you're really ever meeting from those various races are usually part of their military, or whatever their leading faction is, so they are always dressed appropriately, such as every person in the US military being forced to wear a uniform of some kind. It's not like they're running across alien civilians a whole lot, and since we follow the federation, almost everything is some sort of diplomatic exchange involving those groups.
Maybe it's time to put down the microphone. Nobody wants to hear me sing, I don't even want to hear myself sing. How many years have we been doing this, Vic? And what do we have to show for it? We're still just a computer program in a holodeck. How many more shows are we going to perform just because that's what we're programmed to do? Do I really enjoy it or is that just the programming? Maybe I can only find myself by walking away from the club.
Do you think Vic uses infinite cash hacks? I mean, he's pretty living the life a king. Every night he rocks the house, gets drunk on booze that he knows won't ever destroy his liver, raw fucks bitches who can't give him Star Trek Discoveries and lives in a sweet casino suite. What more could a guy want?
Andrew Perry
Something real.
Jack Anderson
cringe image
Luke Mitchell
>being a centrist means you don't have any convictions or beliefs >being a non-extremist means you don't have any convictions or beliefs That's not how it works.
>create new folder >entitle "rape gangs" >drag and drop Yar hologram file into folder
Jackson Wood
But shouldn't it be the rape gangs going into Yar?
Joshua Carter
that's why I create a crude MS paint depiction of rowdy rape gang people and place it in the folder with her
Daniel Gray
Can you make an animated version of her and the rape gangs like those weird dancing people desktop animations that came with XP?
Easton Cruz
I wish I could. That would be top kek.
Noah Jackson
I would unironically leave my wife for a woman that enjoys and would cosplay star trek.
Elijah Garcia
post wife
Wyatt Butler
I would never post pictures of my big titty bride
Lucas Harris
stop larping
Joshua Foster
Cope
Grayson Reyes
a centrist, by definition, is someone to whom the current political establishment is favourable. thus the centrist is able to be blithely ignorant of "politics" (differing points of view), because it does not concern him. moreover, if any "politics" of any stripe, other than that of the current elite, threatens to take over the system, the centrist views it as a threat, and attempts to persuade people that any different point of view, (absolutely anywhere on the political compass) is "dangerous", " reactionary" or "populism" or so forth, that politics is "boring" or falsely claim that it does not affect you, or that can't be changed. Thus, to a centrist, ignorance and apathy become virtues, human curiosity or self critism a vice.
a point of view that combines aspects of different ideologoes is not "centrism" it is properly understood as a "synthesis", in the hegelian dialectic.
Blake Gonzalez
What a bunch of self-serving bullshit in favor of extremist claptrap
James Baker
B'Elanna and Harry were a better couple
Aaron Reyes
Why are DS9 memes so uninspired and lame?
Tyler James
>nope, they refuse to open fire on helpless/unarmed civilians way too fucking much. >Fascists don't care about the little people Do you honestly think that fascist propaganda showed them shooting unarmed civilians?
There are three ways to view fascism - via anti-fascist propaganda - the truth - via fascist propaganda
You've been raised on anti-fascist propaganda your whole life, so you're incapable of distinguishing between the first two, and you don't have the theory of mind to even imagine what the third one would look like.
The screencap isn't saying that Star Trek is a historically accurate representation of a fascist society. It's saying that its a fascist's view of fascism.
>Bashir going "why the fuck is this man with schizophrenia being allowed to live on the street? He could easily be cured." is not fascist. You really believe that the Nazis executed people with easily curable illnesses? Also, even when they did kill the handicapped, they didn't advertise it - the relatives were told that they'd been moved to a specialist hospital with better care.
according to alt-righters the EU is as totalitarian as the soviet union
Benjamin Watson
Why were you gone for a week?
William Harris
You've got to be fucking kidding. The individual states are still in charge of capital production and each country still has it's own elected government. It's not like the head of the EU is a fucking dictator telling everyone how their labor should be used in order to increase production. Stalin was a fucking actual totalitarian asshole who conflated himself with the state and used his power as an excuse to weaken and conquer Ukraine because he wanted food and hot water.
>The individual states are still in charge of capital production and each country still has it's own elected government That's just what they want you to think.
Brandon Campbell
it is the nature of all individuals to be self-interested. to be self-serving is no vice.
the trouble starts when somebody else persuades you to be self-sacrificial, while the person himself does nothing of the kind.
Joseph Watson
cringe
Jonathan James
Bottom surgery
Logan Jones
>that powder on the collar still makes me laugh, Bashirfaggot is so dumb
Caleb Powell
Be nice.
Christopher Mitchell
Ok, it’s somewhat endearing that BF fails due to stupidity
Wrong. A centrist is by definition >having moderate political views or policies. Now shove it up your ass and jump off a bridge. You need to die.
Connor Ward
You're in a lovely mood today.
Aaron Rodriguez
kys chomo bla x
Nolan Peterson
"moderate" is by definition a synthesis (between an artificial framing of "extremes"), therefore, ot should be obvious that moderation is not the same as "centrism"
a centrist is a "centrist" by virtue of being in a position of power. that power is the ability to frame different interests (such as the working class versus private corporations), and sucessfully alter the political playing field into one which is most convenient for themselves. it is the art, in other words, of forcing a false dilemma, and positioning themselves as the "middle" even supposing that the self styled centrist differs from the other players, he offers a false choice: himself, wholly good, and the others, purely evil. he admits no vagaries of good and bad, and totalizes morality itself, betraying those meagre, chinzty appeals to "moderation" >shove it up your ass and jump off a bridge. You need to die. such is the true face of a "moderate" unveiled. let there me no more illusions: moderation in all things entails moderation even in moderation.
what is urgent, what is necessary, and what is true or good, cannnot be ceded, especially not to one who demands all yet yields nothing.
Tell me commander, if those games are so good, why the fuck is Star Trek Online there? And why in the holy fucking hell can't you buy any of them?
Caleb Jones
Spotted the volcel
Carter Lewis
>111 >bf111.jpg weird
William Hall
okkk chomo ,,,,just fuck off and die bla x
Jonathan Jones
...
Xavier Lopez
except that its neither shown as propaganda or filmed as propaganda you dumb faggot showing starfleet as having major flaws is the opposite of propaganda. you're also still embarrassingly wrong about how Star Trek handles race, gender, etc.
>Do you honestly think that fascist propaganda showed them shooting unarmed civilians? Hitler unironically and deadly seriously spoke at great length about wiping out international jewry in all its forms on a regular basis at most of his rallies.
>Also, even when they did kill the handicapped, they didn't advertise it - the relatives were told that they'd been moved to a specialist hospital with better care. Yeah and that never happens in star trek. Handicapped people are taken extremely good care of in Star Trek. Geordi serves on a feddie flagship despite being blind.
I'm sorry you /pol/tards are super salty as fuck that Star Trek is a left wing world where retards like you are thrown into the garbage where they belong and people actually focus on bettering themselves as people, not rotting away in front of computers, snarling and clutching their monster energies as they pump out another rant about how michael burnham is a bad character because she's a nigg-I mean because she's a mary sue.
Unless Star Trek is: - forcing women through intense social pressure to have as many humans as is possible - shooting unarmed civilians and defenseless people - killing people for being disabled, handicapped, or genetically inferior
Then it is not a fascist setting. >but but but its probbagunda dey would not show that!
Then fuck off. With this level of logic you can argue literally anything is fascist. Fascism is not about "doing objectively evil shit in secret", it is "doing objectively evil shit in the open and it's normal and everyone accepts it or they're disappeared".
Austin Brown
>all those quotation marks >not a single good point was made Imagine trying this hard and failing this triumphantly. OOF
Does this mean that Cardassia is based and did nothing wrong?
Mason Diaz
to paraphrase the great playwright david mamet: "politics is the polemic between persons of two opposing views. the quality of discourse must be addresed first (that is to say, before the issues) — it is incumbent upon each person to hear the other fellow out." niether attempting to browbeat others into silence, nor jejune stylistic criticism, nor flat denials indicate any willingness to "hear the other side" nor indeed, shew any evidence of "moderation". im not a /trek/ regular, so i can only assume you meant something incredibly rude. good day, sir.
Daniel Evans
>I'm sorry you /pol/tards are super salty as fuck that Star Trek is a left wing world where retards like you are thrown into the garbage where they belong and people actually focus on bettering themselves as people, not rotting away in front of computers, snarling and clutching their monster energies as they pump out another rant about how michael burnham is a bad character because she's a nigg-I mean because she's a mary sue.
Michael Burnham is a fucking nigger, I hold no fucking reservations about that. Star Trek has always been right wing as fuck - it's a meritocracy where you're not allowed to cheat your way to the fucking top. Your rich liberal silicon valley daddy isnt going to get you into Starfleet and your worthless nigger ass isn't going to make it because "da poor blak peepole need help" There's reason why most of the captains are white men and why you fucking shitskins were given the worst fucking shows to parade around like the token appointments they were.
You people fucking vandalized and stole star trek from its actual, majority, mostly silent audience. There's a reason why discovery is fucking failing- we don't want to see another fucking white man's show being vandalized by putting a dancing fucking nigger in it.
Dominic Perez
This is the equivalent of saying "anti-semite" after you say something damning about Jewish people.
Adrian Thompson
Except in this situation the lynchee is the still the joke.
>caring this much about some autistic show you contradict yourself. why would an autist not care about a show for "autists"? >I need to stop using this site yes, please.
Christian Young
Whew lad. Way to take the bait.
Zachary White
>brainlets trying to discuss politics OH NO OH NO OH NO.....AHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Sebastian Myers
can I please be allowed to call faggots and retards like mkultra gay and to tell him to kys
Nathan Williams
>eu pays companies like nestle to move away from uk to other eu countries
Jayden Sanders
Sure
Carter Gray
it's called free market
Oliver Smith
>EU PAYS THEM TO MOVE That's not a free market you nonce.
Landon Young
Everything's free market, all's fair n shit.
Jace Parker
>EU gives incentive to a company >company decides to move because it's more convenient >a company deciding what's best for them is not free market
Ryder Robinson
No one takes you for some sort of intellectual; you're long-winded and babbling over semantics and should probably go find a place where people like that get along with each other. kthx and fuck off
Cooper Martin
This entire general has turned into a hate locker. A closet full of arguing ninnies who are completely wrecked in their personal lives and therefore need a pressure valve. This is where they let off that steam.
thats star trek everywhere everywhen, autists were shitposting up trek conversations before you were born
Justin Taylor
I was never arguing with you so this doesn't really apply. But I'll point out something else and that's your off topic rambling is more akin to /pol/ and not /trek/ unless we tie our posts in some ancillary way to the show.
Otherwise, your posts are bannable. Stay on topic or go be a pretentious tryhard somewhere else. Thanks.
Christian Peterson
>another quote about how the right and the left are the wings of a bird and you're the feathers on its ass always regurgitating what other people say is a sign you have no independent cognitive abilities just stick to posting star trek webms and charts unless you have something intelligent to contribute to the conversation you can't lecture other people on compromise if you're calling people niggers and REEEEEing about the corruption of white star trek with no intent to consider anyone else's perspective you're hiding behind pacifism like a coward to avoid a discussion because you just want to spam your /pol/ shit kys retard
hmm, i wonder why that doesnt seem to apply to your own posts, or all the others that replied to me, or to whom i replied. if you are a mod, then go ahead, ban me. i am sure /trek/ will be much improved.
John Nguyen
he's right, arguments are for faggots. stay mad and go back to
Jackson Hall
>says a bunch of gay shit >gets btfo >starts screeching about /pol/ you started this conversation you fucking dumbass stop blaming everything on boogeymen you're probably going to go full snitch bitch in a minute so before this post is deleted I'm just gonna get another kys retard in
John Edwards
have sex
Easton King
kys retard
Caleb Long
>more convenient >so convenient that you had to be paid 10s of millions and given tax breaks Its just stealing industry from one country to move to another, same shit USSR did.
Alexander Walker
That's free market though, regulations are free market. Black market is free market.
Landon Gonzalez
you mean things literally every country does? even the USA
Thomas Reyes
Free Market for Libertarians/Right Wingers = Lawless Market, which is ironically the least free market.
Christian Gomez
So stop fighting? Or do you just not like it when someone disagrees with you? You've done nothing to change the direction this thread is going.
Landon Ramirez
Free market is a model for describing economics things, it's not FOR anyone. Measuring the cost-benefits of BREAKING the law is not the same as lawlessness. That's the sort of thing you measure as free market.
Leo Sanchez
Mods, this shit is completely off-topic please nuke thx
There's a difference between states stealing from other states and a 'trade union' stealing from one member to give to another.
Lucas Jones
>one member L O L O L
Lucas Hughes
Post more sexy cosplayers.
Landon Roberts
>Free market is a model for describing economics things Free market is an economic system with zero government intervention or any other authority. Literally a lawless market.
>A closet full of arguing ninnies who are completely wrecked in their personal lives and therefore need a pressure valve Some impressive projection here. I'm sorry you hate yourself.
>Free market, an unregulated system of economic exchange, in which taxes, quality controls, quotas, tariffs, and other forms of centralized economic interventions by government either do not exist or are minimal. britannica.com/topic/free-market
>an economic system in which prices and wages are determined by unrestricted competition between businesses, without government regulation or fear of monopolies. dictionary.com/browse/free-market
>With this level of logic you can argue literally anything is fascist. no. It has to show: - a highly independent military, where the military is almost always portrayed in a positive light - a society with no major political discourse - a highly expansionist, colonising society - a society where the economy is largely controlled by the state, and capitalism is viewed as crass and barbaric
>Geordi serves on a feddie flagship despite being blind. Except he wasn't. He could see perfectly well with the aid of his visor. Also, what do you think the Nazis did with war veterans who had limbs amputated? Do you think they sent them to the gas chambers?
btw, obvious samefag
Cooper Murphy
There's a difference between a politically focused economics definition and a theoretical one. One of them belongs on /pol/ and one belongs on /biz/, though /biz/ is super retarded.
Isaac Ortiz
>one (you) BF could only dream of being that attractive.
Thomas Rodriguez
I love my homeless German dad covered in open sores!
A true Free Market has no regulation on the private sector. A fully communist market has no private autonomy.
Kevin Morris
>having a society where people work before they want instead of necessity >having a society where poor people are helped instead of letting them die in the street >a world were people can better themselves and follow their passions instead of slaving their younger years in some soulless job hoping to reach retirement age >instantly assume it's COMMUNISM UTOPIA! it truly says something about right wing policies
Ayden Brooks
Oh no I still beleive in a permanent global revolution of the proletarian that ends on a collapse of the 1% and self ownership of the means of production and labor.
I know, I hate it when a thread full of wage slaves and neets argue about reforming the global economic structure in a Star Trek thread instead of doing anything to make a difference, too.
Benjamin Stewart
If you forget the whole 'enslaving Bajorans' bit, going crazy when it didn't work out for him, and then hooking up with an evil space god, sure.
Parker Morales
What an effeminate passive-aggressive bitch post.
Bentley Baker
no
Leo Brooks
>enslaving bajorans But you cannot enslave animals.
Adam Sanchez
Sorry, I said I hate it when what I really meant is that it bores me to death. Fighting about politics here is as obnoxious and toxic and distracting as STD, except STD is actually on-topic. There are better places than /trek/ for you to start your revolution. Direct enough for you, cunt?
Kevin Young
jesus christ what a trainwreck I hope you all feel happy and loved
Isaac Smith
>tfw people keep saying that the fat redhead is pregnant 3 years of pregnancy that's a bit much.
