He was always a whiny shit. He wined to his uncle constantly. He was perpetually moody and short sighted.
During the entire first movie he vacillates between grand standing acts of "heroism" and despondent pouting when he feels like he's being upstaged.
In Empire he bails on his friends to go to Dagobah. He directly disobeys Yoda and Obi Wan to go to Cloud City. He didn't die in that encounter but still threw everything in jeopardy.
In RotJ he stunts on enemies he's more powerful than and when faced with a real challenge only pulls off not dying because Vader does a heel-face turn.
The only reason people think he's some great paragon is the extended universe, which was all non-canon and a big retcon for a generally childish, self-centered, and emotionally short sighted character.
The Last Jedi version is a far more accurate continuation of his personality following the events recapped in TFA. That is also a more believable character as the son of the childish, self-centered, and emotionally short sighted Anakin Skywalker.
His sacrifice at the end of TLJ was the most noble thing he's ever done and even that was an epic grand stand to clown on his own nephew. The one he failed because for all the Skywalker family natural power with the Force they fundamentally don't get the idea of balance within the force. Each successive generation for three generations in a row going zealot for one "side" or the other. Then they pontificate as to why that's totally right when all the core philosophy speaks to the need for a balance, which they personally reject at every turn.
In summary - Luke is a shit. TLJ was very much in-character. The Skywalker men are a bunch of emotionally stunted man children given more credit than they're due because they're good at space magic.
>In summary - Luke is a shit. TLJ was very much in-character. The Skywalker men are a bunch of emotionally stunted man children given more credit than they're due because they're good at space magic. try to explain this shit here, good luck
Cooper Cox
>In summary - Luke is a shit. TLJ was very much in-character. The Skywalker men are a bunch of emotionally stunted man children given more credit than they're due because they're good at space magic. Stopped reading right there.
Isaiah Clark
Kill yourself, shill.
You can't explain something that isn't true.
Colton Cruz
TLJ was great and added pathos and logos to the series in the same vein Anakin Skywalker's demise did
Jackson Ward
We could elevate the level of film and television if we just stopped talking about Disney products. Let the shills shill to each other while we move on from being led like children to the latest focus group claptrap.
Who is with me?
I take the No Disney Pledge! Say it! I TAKE THE NO DISNEY PLEDGE. I TAKE THE NO DISNEY PLEDGE! I TAKE THE NO DISNEY PLEDGE!!!
The Last Jedi is literally one of the only good disney films
Nathan Murphy
I'm fine with what they did with luke, however the same probelms with the premise persist. The issue with the trilogy is they decided to just remake the Rebels vs big bad Empire from the originals rather than doing something imaginative.
Julian Reed
>You can't explain something that isn't true have sex
Nathaniel Young
Luke purposefully puts himself in harms way because he wanted to pull his father back into the light. He could’ve punted them both if he wanted, in fact, he did beat Vader but stopped himself at the last second because he refused to make the same mistakes his father did, which helped bring him back into the light. That was his progression, he went from a whiny, overly dramatic, fists first think later, dumb guy into a mature, patient and benevolent character. Then thirty years later he devolved into a whiny loser because he was disappointed in a student, who let's not forget, he tried to kill because he was “irredeemable”. Sure Space Hitler is redeemable but an edgy emo user isn’t. TL;DR: Op is retarded
Sebastian White
$0.02 has been deposited into your Disney account.
This is dumbest shit I read all day. Shill harder for your Mouse overlords. Completely ignores Lukes transformation from whiny sheltered farm boy to a grown man who goes on a suicide mission to rescue a man he barely even knows. Get the fuck outta here. What they hell do you people even know about sacrifice? Nothing at all I bet.
Ethan Allen
Same fag detected. Go over to the Mary Sue or Reddit. Your mediocrity and revisionist bullshit would be better appreciated over there.
Based and schizopilled. (For real though, star wars has always been shit)
Robert Garcia
Nice revisionism Ryan.
Jacob Perez
>He was always a whiny shit. He wined to his uncle constantly. He was perpetually moody and short sighted. >During the entire first movie he vacillates between grand standing acts of "heroism" and despondent pouting when he feels like he's being upstaged. This is the first stage of the hero's journey. He clearly gets over it and, more importantly, was ultimately striving to be the best person he could. >In Empire he bails on his friends to go to Dagobah. He directly disobeys Yoda and Obi Wan to go to Cloud City. He didn't die in that encounter but still threw everything in jeopardy. Good job missing the context why he did both of those and wording it to imply malice. >In RotJ he stunts on enemies he's more powerful than and when faced with a real challenge only pulls off not dying because Vader does a heel-face turn. The reason he went toe extreme lengths against Jabba was because the whole time he was giving him an out to end things peacefully. He could have killed them all at any time, but didn't, because he's a fucking Jedi. The whole point of the Throne room is him putting his faith in Vader. He at no point thought he'd actually be able to kill the emperor. >The only reason people think he's some great paragon is the extended universe, Had you actually read any of it, you'd know Luke is by no means a paragon, even if he's far more heroic. >generally childish, self-centered, and emotionally short sighted character. The fact he put all his faith on Vader remembering who he was is the absolute opposite of this description 1/2
2/2 >The Last Jedi version is a far more accurate continuation of his personality following the events recapped in TFA. That is also a more believable character as the son of the childish, self-centered, and emotionally short sighted Anakin Skywalker. Meaningless drivel, and my IQ has dropped merely reading it. >His sacrifice at the end of TLJ was the most noble thing he's ever done and even that was an epic grand stand to clown on his own nephew. Every climax of every movie in the OT is an act of heroism and willingness to die for friends and what's right >The one he failed because for all the Skywalker family natural power with the Force they fundamentally don't get the idea of balance within the force. Neither does Rian "force autobalanace" Johnson, and neither do you >Each successive generation for three generations in a row going zealot for one "side" or the other. Then they pontificate as to why that's totally right when all the core philosophy speaks to the need for a balance, which they personally reject at every turn. Anakin wasn't a zealot in any way. He was an emotional man turned killing machine. Luke actively defied Yoda and obi-Wan's dogmatic approach to the force, and was vindicated when Anakin returned to the light. Kylo is easily the least dogmatic of them all, being an unstable manchild.
>In summary - Luke is a shit. TLJ was very much in-character. The Skywalker men are a bunch of emotionally stunted man children given more credit than they're due because they're good at space magic. In summary, you're a complete fucking faggot, and the fact I took the time to respond to this stupidity makes me feel ashamed and violated.
>throwing his saber away because he refuses to yield to the dark side and use violence to solve his issues >throwing his saber away to refuse to take a stand against tyranny because “the Jedi aren’t perfect so it’s better to leave the galaxy to be conquered by the space Nazis” Retarded Star Wars Facebook page admin: “iT’s ThE sAmE tHiNg!” Also it’s not even the same toss: one is over the shoulder the other is to the side, absolute retard you are
I've come around to liking TLJ after skipping about 90% of it. BASED RIAN DID IT!
Charles Howard
He sure expected you to, OP
Nathan Gonzalez
I've been saying this for a while but Luke is a bitch who grew up without a father who lusted over his own sister and got cucked by the better man and who chimped out and tried to commit suicide (and failed) when he found out that he had a dad and rejected his dad by chimping out like a little bitch that he is. Episode 6 was fake and gay and just altered his personality
Tyler Kelly
It wasn't bad at all. It wasn't what I expected but that can be ok. I would have cut 90% of the casino scene though. I did like how Rian built up a feeling of despair by gradually showing the Resistance getting picked off ship by ship throughout the movie until it looked like any hope of winning was impossible.
Cooper Evans
Yeah and it's not that different from the arguments used to defend TLJ in this thread.
Samuel Lee
dumb nigger shill luke was never prepared but he ventured forward regardless. that makes him the hero. >more believable character luke was literally obiwan's redo. it is explicitly about how He Is Not His Father.
Charles Perez
haha stupid faggots getting legitly pissed at valid arguments, get of the internet you stupid fucks
Eli Barnes
>Rian does a better Luke than the EU
Uh...no. Luke would very obviously want to build a new Jedi Order, one that doesn't suffer from the orthodoxy of the past. He bitched out for no good reason after saving the fucking galaxy. It didn't make sense in the first place, and it doesn't make sense now. Eat shit.
The fact is, nu-wars is just a shameless cashgrab by Disney to capitalize on the nostalgia of fans before they all die. It always was. Also, something something feminism. There's no defending it.
Landon Parker
Didn't read. Get fucked.
Andrew Brown
The thing with "force autobalance" is that in itself it's not such a bad idea. It doesn't contradict anything from previous movies. You could even say that in the OT force was trying to autobalance itself by using Luke. The only thing that fucks this idea up is Rey as she just gets more powerful every movie whereas Luke had to train.
Josiah Martin
Plebs This entire website is full of shitheads that constantly whine about everything and only post their loaded opinions, it's full of hypocrites
Xavier Allen
Nice counter-argument, soiboi. The EU is superior to nu-wars. Deal with it.
Grayson Smith
Based
Logan Nguyen
>hurr if a character isn’t a Mary Sue then theyre bad The whole point is that Luke needed to grow, what’s the fun of having a perfect character from the get go? You strike me as the exact fan that just ADORES the new films for that exact reason that Rey has little to no flaws. The whole point of the fucking story is that Luke BECOMES a hero, the first movie showed his ignorance and childness, second showed his foolishness, and the sixth was when he had finally grown as a person to become the hero he needed to be.
I’m aware this is nice shill bait, but I just couldnt understand how the main protagonist not being perfect from the get go would be undesirable
It´s nice you tried though. Even if it was pearls before the swine.
Cooper Fisher
This thread is an example how manipulation works. >triyng to chill Skylwalker Making you believe he was a cunt, but he wasnt. >if you don't agree with me, you need to get laid.
Fucking normies.
Connor Hill
Based. OT star wars had depth and character development. It's like OP watched 40 minutes of A New Hope and decided "That's what Luke is like throughout the entire trilogy"
Incidentally, Rey IS the same person she was from the first movie.
Caleb Torres
>Embarrassing shit
How embarrassing.
Adrian Williams
This
Austin Rodriguez
THIS
Jace Evans
shut your damned mouth heathen
Cameron Ramirez
OP COPIED THIS FROM RESETERA
OP IS A TRANNY
Dylan Campbell
OP TRANNY CONFIRMED
Ryder Brooks
Good posts, for good friends.
Cameron Martinez
Based btw dawg
Matthew Cooper
The problem people had with Luke in TLJ was NOT because he wasn't some perfect moral actor, I don't think that is how most fans see Luke and that's certainly not what people were expecting from TLJ. The problem is Luke acts totally ooc and there is no context or build up to why he reacted the way he did and of course with no prior character traits established to indicate his demeanor a plausible one. This real problem is reflected when a lot of the TLJ apologists come up with generalizations like 'Luke is human, he's not perfect!' to defend the terrible writing on display.
Don't forget: he got his lightsaber back before dragging Vader to the ship
Ryder Wood
The only way to fix this now is with a movies worth of flashbacks explaining in more detail why he acted like a big faggot.
Caleb Martinez
Hi Rian!
Anthony Gonzalez
That picture, in case, can be used to show how much Disney did NOT understand that scene. Or that the writers are oblivious to context. probably the reason why these movies feel so strange and everything feels "misplaced" and fake.
Gabriel Bennett
Great user. Screencap-worthy.
Landon Moore
>His sacrifice at the end of TLJ was the most noble thing he's ever done Wrong. Throwing away his lightsaber and saving his father's soul was. Luke was whiny in ANH because he needs room to grow, he's cocky in ESB and is humbled because it's the second act, and in ROTJ he's a stoic Jedi.
