Holy fucking shit. In an age before transfats, processed foods, preservatives, artificial colors and flavors, etc, how the FUCK do you get this fat eatin the foods that were available in ancient Rome>
Fruits and vegetables and meats and wine. Thats all there was. All natural shit. He must literally do nothing but sit around all day and eat and then go directly to sleep. Is it even possible to get this obese off of figs and beef? Jesus Christ.
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>how do you get fat from beef and alcohol
You are a certified retard
>he must literally do nothing but eat and sleep
unironically yes. That’s it.
TRVE ROMAN BREAD FOR TRVE ROMANS
>Fruits and vegetables and meats and wine. Thats all there was
no TRUE ROMAN BREAD FOR TRUE ROMANS!
Beef doesnt make you fat, it clogs your arteries. And beef back then wasnt like todays beef, shot full or hormones and antibiotics and genetically fucked with. They were just cows.
reading the news to hoi polloi must pay well
they did have honey in the ancient world
for the most part, the Romans didn't care for beef
He carboloading on that true Roman bread.
Sorry, I forgot
eat five meals of meat and veg with bread a day, followed by some fruit and see how fat you get
you know they had sweets back in the day, right?
Grains made up the majority of the Roman diet
A lb of beef has way less calories than a lb of chicken.
>He must literally do nothing but sit around all day and eat and then go directly to sleep.
Yup. And drink tons of wine.
Even bread back then was different. The grain we use today has been bred for high yeild crops. I watched an hour long lecture on the subject it really is quite extraordinary. Its basically devoid of almost any nutritional value.
Bread back then was just wild grain and water basically
GRAIN DOLE GANG
AVENTINE KILLA MAFIA ON MINES FOOL, WATS GOOD
they literally turned the entire mediterranean into their food supply. Egypt was a giant fucking grain plantation
too many olive branches
Shut up retards. They ate a lot of bread, dairy products and alcohol. It's a sure fire way to pack on the pounds and overtake your political rivals through sheer body mass
You understimate how cheap and plentiful food was in the Roman Republic.
Almost all labor was done by slaves and there was a lot of competition in the agriculture so food was close to free. Obesity was a genuine problem in the Roman empire.
People also underestimate how advanced the Roman Republic was in its peak. This is how concrete apartment complexes looked at that time. Complete with inhouse plumbing, a central heating system and everything.
The majority of humanity TODAY have a lower quality of life than the average Roman had.
Being fat is genetic, it doesn't have anything to do with what you eat, dumbass.
you can be genetically predisposed to being fat or skinny or getting diabetus or heart disease or anything else but most of it at least partly preventable with the right measures
just throwing up your hands and screaming "genetics!" doesn't do anything but feed your delusion that nothing is your fault and you take no responsibility for your own actions and decisions
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lots of bread
lots of wine
Because when eating calms you down you do it more than cigarettes.
>the rules of thermodynamics didn’t apply in ye olde times
>All natural shit.
Pistacchios are natural, they're the fattest thing even today. One bag of them nuts is virtually 2000kc. All they had to do was eat a lot of nuts.
>this is your brain on American education
>Beef doesnt make you fat, it clogs your arteries.
Meat is highly calorific. Eat enough and it sure can make you fat.
You're an ignorant moron.
eating fat doesnt make you fat retard
eat enough of anything and itll make you fat, stupid. Beef isnt particularly caloric when compared to other meats. You are brain-dead.
You get fat from eating more calories than your body burns. It's that simple, stop complicating it fatty.
>you can be genetically predisposed to being fat or skinny
No. All humans are, and nothing will replace how you feed yourself. Nobody is special when it comes to this. No matter what the individual differences may be, you will always get fatter if you eat more than you need, and you will always lose fat if you eat less than you need, no matter how much is needed.
>there was a lot of competition in the agriculture
Wasn't one of the problems of the late republic the rampant concentration of land into great family owned latifundiae?
>eating fat doesnt make you fat retard
Because you think nuts contain fat, you moron? They do, but that's beside the point. By "fat", I mean calorific, you gigantic doofus.
>Beef isnt particularly caloric when compared to other meats.
All meat is particularly calorific, champ. You are an idiot.
>muh beef isn't calorific
How hard is it to look it up?
whatever you say fatso
TRVE ROMAN BREAD is full of TRVE ROMAN CARBS dummy
>Complete with inhouse plumbing
Okay but Roman plumbing practices actually ended up spreading more disease than it prevented. Keep in mind it was just one stream of water flowing through multiple buildings collecting everyone's shit. Basically a shit river running through your house.
Dr.Oz over here. Whatever you say dumbass. Enjoy being wrong
Imagine the showers.
and this is somehow different to modern plumbing?
Remember that puke halls were a thing.
There was crazy wealth disparity with the richest just endlessly consuming.
better hope youre at the front of the line
Just check it, moran.
>eat 5000kcals of bananas, fruit and nuts
>move enough to burn 2000kcals
>why am I getting fat guise all I’m eating is fruit
Yes but there were many families. There were almost no normal farmers and instead most farms were owned by families but they all had slaves doing the farming and competing with each other pushing down the price of food to ridiculously low levels to the point where people started drinking juice over water since the price of fruit was cheaper than clean water in big cities.
Typical snack was dates + nuts + wine, that's basically pure sugar + pure fat.
It's the that grains are less nutritious, it's just that they remove all the most nutritious parts of the grain before turning it into flour.
You can get fat eating bread, and drinking wine.
They used public baths which were literal cesspools of disease
Because modern plumbing is contained to pipes and controlled by water pressure and not aqueducts free-flowing in open air?
>different to
Fucking Dacians, go back to Dacia or wherever the fuck ye come from. Its "Different FROM". God, I hate foreigners.
There are genetic traits that cause members of certain races to store fat easier, as an adaptation to food-scarce environments. Within a specific gene-pool though there would be little variation on an individual basis, you are correct.
Yeah that will do it, plus they liked honey.
based
Guess how I know you’re American.
Google the thyroid you ignoramus. Just because it's ultimately a matter of self-control doesn't mean that your body is irrelevant.
yeah but there were no cars or automated machinery. You walked everywhere and did everything manually. That burn hellified calories, my guy.
Muh genetics is usually a bs excuse but there are litterally specific genetic differences that can effect how you store fat but they're generally found on a group level rather than individual like certain island populations.
If you combine it with enough carbs and fat, you get clogged arteries.
did you know chicken breast is extremely sugary? and by that i mean high in protein of course
I find it hard to believe competition was that good when the senate was continuously forced to set a fixed price for grain to keep it low
What? No it doesnt.
Uh, because I practically told you? Get a clue, foreign scum.
are you saying pipes didn't exist in ancient rome
Vomitoriums werent for vomit, its literally just an exit from a building.
Look it up.
>You walked everywhere and did everything manually. That burn hellified calories, my guy.
Except Roman citizens (patricians in particular) did very little manual labor. That's what slaves and foreigners were for. Walking around your neighborhood doesn't magically make you skinny.
I think you should take a good look to yourself and chill the fuck down.
Dates are fucking BOMB with a glass of cold milk. Holy shit.
Yes, but they weren't pressurized. user, you're more than welcome to google this yourself. Roman plumbing was a neat idea but its execution proliferated disease. This is well known fact.
The problem was less that and more that they used the sewage for fertilizer without even composting which lead to widespread parasites. This was also contributed to by the popular sauce garum that was processed in such a way that parasites from the fish were not always destroyed.
The bigger issue from the plumbing was the use of lead which would have caused massive drops in intelligence and impulse control.
Horses and litters.
>muh thyroid
hit the gym, you blob.
walking around you villa doesn't burn a lot of calories, and for longer distances there were chariots, carriages, palanquins
>look to yourself
ARRRGHH ITS LOOK "AT" YOU FUCKING SCYTHIAN LEARN LATIN FOR APOLLO'S SAKE
Here’s a quick lesson in English for you. “Different to” is what brits say, “different than” is what yanks say, and “different from” is what uneducated mutts say.
You'll gain a max of 20lbs.
Nowhere near the blob in OP's post.
Yeah a big problem was that the families only planted the most profitable crops and since grain wasn't as profitable it wasn't harvested as much and thus local merchants priced it as a premium since the demand was high enough to ask for it.
The farming oligarchy didn't compete on this front because they didn't want to give up their market share in the high value crops like grapes.
I weigh 130 and don't give a fuck about fatties. But pretending like all humans' metabolism is exactly the same is a false statement and obvious to anyone who thinks about it for 5 seconds. You know you're incorrect here, you just hate fatties so you pretend anatomy doesn't exist. Nobody likes fatties but im not going to deny fucking reality because some fatties use it as an excuse.
no need at get mad.
>130kg
Lol fucking fatty
What class would the newsreader be? I mean he could read, so he wasnt a pleb. But reading the news in the public forum is beneath an Optimate. Could he have been a freedman? Or a Greek slave? The son of an Augur perhaps? Where would he fit (no pun) in Roman society?
Roman Empire had a literacy rate of 30 at its peak. Basically the entirety of Judea, Italia and Greece could read.
>it's another popsci contrarian opinion episode
Disease was rampant because everyone wiped their asses with the same sponge and bathed in the same water. No one ever claimed the plumbing itself was a high vector of pandemics.
>Brits
Who cares what dialect our vassals use? Our way is the only correct way.
>muh bread and dairy makes you fat meme
He was a fatass that sat around doing nothing. Also it's an actor in the modern age and there is no reason to think Roman newsmen were fattos.
Fair enough. Have a great day :)
>beef clogs your arteries
hey loser, 1950 called, they want their "science" back, LOL.
he's a big guy
plebs from any era couldnt read
upper middle class. Loved politics but too much of a pussy and dumb to get into it, so he yelled about it in the forum. Just like the media today.
Carbs
The media today is a direct reflection of the people who consume it.
Clickbait wouldnt exist if people didn't click.
This says a lot about our society.
Real talk though
Carthage>Romans
dont @ me
Tons of bread and no exercise, you fucking dumbass. If you take in more calories than you burn, no matter what you eat, you'll gain weight. Also, you should listen to the vegans, they'll tell you that ancient Roman's never ate meat, not even their armies.
If you eat less calories than your daily expenditure you WILL lose weight, it's basic thermodynamics you fat cunt
you won;t believe who clicks on click bait. It's not the so called stupid people. It's actually the self styled smart ones, the middle class., the ones that go to college. It's worse than you thing.
Or the natural result of human biases when given modern communication technology.
More interesting question is how it can possibly be fixed. Probably 90% of people who get upset with it only get upset with the side of the media that doesnt echo their own views, so any attempt to change it would probably end up being one side declaring their propaganda okay and suppressing the other.
Travel up to the mountains, carry back snow with you in special containers, then mix in a bunch of fruits for flavors, and you've got yourself a treat.
It's literally everyone, user.
What's nefarious is that they do it now in ways that make people think it's clickbait for the other side, when in reality they're just baiting for the side that their headline makes angriest.
is this a roman fatness denier thread?
>Just like the media today.
Not exactly. The media (journalists) today are pitbulls. They directly affect politics and put their careers on the line to try to do what they think is right in their watchdog role.
It's a literal requirement of Judaism to be able to read the Torah causing every Judean to be able to read.
Correct. Crux there is "daily expenditure".
Passive calorie burning varies from person to person for a variety of factors. Again, im not sure why you're denying basic anatomy as if it's controversial. I'm not making excuses for fat people. Im explaining to you that two people can eat the same amount, do the same amount of activity, and one can lose weight while the other gains it. Im sorry you live in your mind where that's somehow untenable with your thoughts on fat people.
Are you saying every single one of the couple of millions jews living in Ancient times had a written copy of the Torah next to their bed? That's pretty amazing considering the printing press didn't exist yet.
>put their careers on the line to try to do what they think is right in their watchdog role.
that's a very naive view user. There are some that are activists, but most are desperate for money and they bend the knee to what their bosses agenda is. It's a job that pays their rent and nothing more for most.
Yep which is why everyone is required to write their own torah scrolls and when you've finished it's called a "bar mitzvah" where you're an adult.
Islam used to have a similar tradition where every believer had to copy the quran once in their lives.
This is also why there is a distinction between the torah and the other holy books because scrolls were relatively hard to make so having short text that could fit in just a couple of scrolls which everyone copied made more sense.
ALL MOCKERY OF OP AND HIS FAGGOTRY SHALL BE KEPT TO AN APPROPRIATE MINIMUM.
That was introduced in the 14c though.
it's called having big bones and a slow metabolism you fucking asshole
I see we have plenty of dieticians online today.
If you were rich and didn't labor to work off the calories, you could still become fat. The reason it's so prevalent now is because poor uneducated retards have the McDonald's dollar menu and EBT. Back then being obese was something only the rich could pull off.
shuttup fatty
You're so fat you can't even reply to one person at a time with your sausage fingers.
Fucking this. How did all of these anons make it through school without ever learning the cultural perspective that a fat wife was bragging rights for most of human history?
By being an absolute madlad.
Even then, user, it's not because of the menu. It's the fact that people sit around all day doing nothing. They eat too much, they eat too often and they sit in front of tv or computer monitors all day.
>THERE WERE NO FAT PEOPLE BEFORE 1950 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Just when I think you autists can't surprise me anymore.
lol
>It's not because of this contributing factor
>Its because of THIS contributing factor
Have you thought that maybe both caloric intake AND caloric expenditure might factor in, dummy?
The worlds fattest man, circa. 100 years ago was about this fat, so not impossible. Rome was the height if civilisation at the time and you better believe they used lard and this mother fucker feasted on the reg.
What is alcohol? How does it create fat? Why does fruit make you fat? Liver ma nigga. It's the fucking liver that makes you fat with this food.
Roman feasts were so excessive that people would go puke out food just so they could stuff their faces some more. That's should give you an idea of how much Roman nobles loved to eat.
Says the 400 pound guys in their mom's basement.
Everything makes you fat if you eat allot of it dumbass
based retarded yurocuck
The correlation is obvious in the comment, Mr Trying to Sound Intelligent.
You don't have to be a dietician to know that eating more calories and carbs than you use or expend will make you gain weight. More intake than outake = growth in mass. AKA eating a bunch of shit, and not burning it away, will make you gain weight.
Conversely, burning more calories than you ingest will make you lose weight.
It's not complicated, or a difficult "formula". I'm not a sciencefag but it's the first law of thermodynamics right? I don't see why you would think someone would have to be a health professional to know that. It's not complex.
G. K. Chesterton lived less than 100 years ago, looked like this, and when he walked around town everyone talked about how he was the most comically fat person they had ever seen in their lives.
lotsa seething fatlards ITT
Because it's not what they want to believe, user. They'd rather blame Evil Fats or Carbs. Anything but their own lack of willpower to push the plate away. Mankind has eaten meat and carbs since the neolithic, yet somehow it's the cause of the obesity epidemic.
hey c'mon now the yurofriend* was just making a joke
Saying "it's not that people eat too much, it's that they dont exercise enough" specifically you only blame one variable. Maybe just phrase your posts better m8
The idea is to burn as many or more calories than you take in. It's a basic concept like you said. But the human body isn't that simple. A myriad of factors influence people's eating habits and how it ultimately affects their bodies. This is how some folks can binge massive quantities of food and stay slim while others have an extremely difficult time losing weight. The body's metabolic rate and various other factors, like I said, contribute to this.
ITT: retards with outdated understanding of nutrition
What's your height and weight?
The idea of willpower is just that. It's a wonderful idea but it isn't real. People's behaviors are hardwired.
One follows the other, dumbass. Eating too much while not doing enough.
That doesn't have a thing to do with the equation. Some people do not require as many calories to maintain their weight. Some need more. Jealousy from one that the other can eat all day and night is a simple emotional factor.
Calm down pinche pendejo.
Holy fucking shit. In an age before transfats, processed foods, preservatives, artificial colors and flavors, etc, how the FUCK do you get this fat eatin the foods that were available in primeval Europe?
>Nuts and roots and meats and water. Thats all there was. All natural shit. She must literally do nothing but sit around all day and eat and then go directly to sleep. Is it even possible to get this obese off of apples and venison? Jesus Christ.
This is literally not true and that attitude is the biggest thing keeping you from improving yourself
t. Former porn addict now three months clean after years of struggling to break my habit
6'2/180
Now you're just full of shit. Junky mentality, which is all it is. They want the hormone kick that comes from eating, not that their bodies require the food.
Judaism as you know it didnt even fucking exist in Roman times
spinach and bok choy contain so few calories it's borderline impossible to get fat by eating just those two veggies
Tbh I would
>how do you get fat from excess caloric intake
Who knows lad, it's not like the entirity of Italy was basically a giant farm for Rome either. So lord knows where a moderately wealthy Roman would even find food
>rabbinical judaism and first/second temple judaism are the same thing
Sure but even acknowledging that influences behavior. Determinism doesn't mean "nobody should try". Fact is when some people learn about determinism gives them an excuse to give up whereas if they buy into some psuedoscientific self-help movement they can actual improve themselves.
Is my posting this any more than the result of a billion billion variables falling like dominos? Of course not. But this piece of knowledge is irrelevant given the complexity of the model we exist in, or even the "hardwiring" you're referring to.
Tl;dr yeah choice is basically an illusion but that's not relevant in any meaningful way
It literally existed during the roman period as depicted above. In fact in the fucking show itself they show Jews copying torahs for fucks sake.
That was an exaggerated rendition of a fertility diety. And is from the east, not Europe. Read a fucking book.
Genetics cannot create mass, it can affect fat distribution and even mass partitioning ratios. Stop being a nigger tier wine aunt nutritionist.
>what are models
>This was also contributed to by the popular sauce garum that was processed in such a way that parasites from the fish were not always destroyed.
How the fuck does any germ or parasite survive immersion in a fermenting solution of salt and fermenting fish in the hot fucking sun for several months? What's your sauce on that HAHA SEE WHAT I DID THERE no really. What's the source material on that?
>One follows the other
No. Its a simple x-m(y)=z function. A decrease in y or an increase in x can
and does often occurr completely independently of the other variable. The result is an increase in z either way.
M=metabolism, and that can as you said vary from person to person and impacts how large y needs to be for z to be 0 but it doesn't change the basic function of the equation. Both y and z are independent variables.
A whole day of walking burns about 100kcal
>Americans think that meat, bread, and alcohol don't make you fat
Is this how you guys get obese without realizing it?
>determinism
Determinism is brainlet tier because it implies a physicality of consciousness. Look into dualism and you’ll understand why past actions don’t demand set future actions when a conscious actor is involved.
>Both y and z are independent variables.
Damn it, y and x*
>And is from the east, not Europe
en.wikipedia.org
>It was found on August 7, 1908 by a workman named Johann Veran[3] or Josef Veram[4] during excavations conducted by archaeologists Josef Szombathy, Hugo Obermaier and Josef Bayer at a paleolithic site near Willendorf, a village in Lower Austria near the town of Krems.
>from the east
The Venus figurines of Mal’ta are several palaeolithic figurines of women found in Siberia, Russia.
en.wikipedia.org
Scribes still copied torahs but you really don’t know what you’re talking about from a historical perspective. Judaism existed but the differences between modern and roman-era Judaism are about as significant as the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism, or maybe even Christianity and Islam.
>Conscious actor
That implies consciousness is a thing independent of the sum of various chemical and electrical parts.
That's not science. That's voodoo.
VVVV
Romans mastered wheat and flour consumption
Forget Latin, law or arts, the biggest Roman legacy was simple carbs
>being sub 6'2
Yikes
You are correct, I was wrong. I'm big enough to admit that.
>Both y and z are independent variables.
They literally aren't as one influences the other. You failed word problems in school, didn't you?
>Si ego auferam hanc, morimeini?
>Foret doloribus asperiores repellat...
>Tu es magnus homo
>...tibi
Roman higher ups literally ate, vomited and ate again
>According to Suetonius, who was secretary of correspondence to the emperor Hadrian, the emperor Claudius always finished his meals excessively bloated with food and wine. He would then lie down so that a feather could be inserted down his throat to make him disgorge the contents of his stomach.
>Claudius’ excesses paled in comparison to the emperor Vitellius, who allegedly feasted four times a day, and procured exotic foods from all over the empire to satiate his enormous appetite, including brains of pheasants and flamingo tongues. He is said to have vomited between meals in order to make room for the next banquet. The historian Cassius Dio memorably remarked that Vitellius was “nourished by the mere passage of the food”.
Wrong. It's not a simple supply and demand situation, but a case of essentially propoganda.
I guffawed, quite audibly.
>100kcal
100,000 calories? No. 100 calories? No.
Already corrected myself 3 before this reply. ()
Now reply to my actual point instead of being a pedant late to the party.
Consciousness has to be separate from materiality. Consider how information in a computer isn’t information to a computer. We both know that true artificial intelligence is simply not possible, and the only explanation can be that a conscious mind cannot arise from the mere physical requirements for a mind. It isn’t science, but to say all things outside of science, such as philosophy, are voodoo is the mark of an uneducated mind.
that is a normal american guy today
jesus fuck americans used to be so skinny
TRVE ROMAN OBESITY FOR TRVE ROMANS
>We both know that true artificial intelligence is simply not possible
So you know better than Hawking...hey guys, we got a bona-feeday fuckin genius right here
>Propaganda
For every clickbait article on the right there's one on the left. It's propaganda created for partisans who want their biases affirmed.
It's quite purely a market force. To say it's just the result of a puppetmaster is a view in itself that has a billion clickbait articles out there affirming it.
>We know things that about AI that literally no computer scientist says
Who the fuck is "we"?
You're talking about the supernatural. trying to explain it under the guise of philosophy is like me rationally explaining why Muhammad id the voice of God and I will not humor you further.
>bona-feeday
Hawking was a genius but assuming he’s right because of that is moronic. Hawking was an astrophysicist, not a computer scientist or a philosopher of the mind. Even if your doctor was the best physician in the world, you wouldn’t want him running your stock portfolio. The choices of conscious actors can be emulated with purely physical means, but things like the teleporter problem and our own failures to produce even rudimentary conscious actors show that we cannot create a conscious mind from material alone.
IT'S "HOMINEM MAGNUM ES" LIKE WE HAVE TO POINT IT OUT EVERY TIME THIS IS POSTED
This. I'm the only one in my family and friends group that eats them, I'm so confused, those little fuckers are tasty as hell.
You're still wrong. In the initial post that inspired your sperg attack, one factor directly inferred the other. Eating too much to too little expenditure OR too little expenditure and eating too much. They both say the same damned thing. It's not placing one variable above the other.
>be not a plebeian in ancient rome
>do nothing but eat bread, olives, various meats with some fruits and veg along with various alcohols
>sit around doing this all day then go out for your daily hour of work yelling news from a soap box and then promoting the Guild of Millers™
>return back home and eat and drink the rest of the day away
yeah, so hard to picture why gluttonous fatties were so fat
>pure sugar
No, there are vitamins, minerals, water and fiber in a date.
>pure fat
No, there are vitamins, minerals and fiber in nuts.
lol if you think we can you’re deluding yourself. I would challenge you to explain how we could, in light of the insurmountable challenge of hard consciousness problems, but for some reason you have assumed your materialist worldview is the only one worth holding and that people like Kant, Hegel, Aquinas, Ockham, and so on are talking pure nonsense when they challenge it. Labeling tenable ideas like dualism and idealism “supernatural” doesn’t help your system of thought, it only damages it.
Fair enough. Have a good day :)
The units in which food energy are usually measured are kilocalories, you fucking nigger. This is shortened to kcal.
This guy gets it.
I tried to turn people on to them, but they say "ewww they look like dead cockroaches" fucking lames.
He ate lots of true Roman bread.
I see you've bought into the "neural nets are just like the human brain lmao" meme and think the singularity is around the corner
A 16 oz steak by itself has over 1400 calories, 120g of protein, and about 100g of fat. That's 80 percent of a person's daily recommended intake if they way around 170-180. Throw in the wine and yes, you absolutely could and would get that large.
post body
what are calories
Caloric surplus makes you fat. Caloric deficit makes you lose weight.
You sound like a fat person to me.
I know, but they're both wrong. I was covering bases in case you made a typo. 1 hour of walking burns around 100kcal in the average person, user.
I like them, but they're expensive where I live.
well yeah but that's because a pound of chicken weights more.
>Myself, and this list of past philosophers couldn't understand a complicated system, therefore it's impossible to replicate!
How is this any different than going "i don't know how thunder and lightning works, so it must be Zeus!"? There is zero (0) evidence to suggest that the brain doesn't hold 100% of our thoughts in a physical state. To imply it isn't just a complex biological computer is supernatural. It's not me dismissing it as supernatural. IT IS SUPERNATURAL.
You introducing logic to break down a supernatural starting point doesn't make the starting point legitimate. Literal geniuses like Newton wrote volumes on theology. 100% of it is supernatural despite probably having some good ideas because the fucking starting point isn't grounded in reality
The whole point of the Turing Test was to answer the question of “can machines actually think” in a useful way because Turing knew the idea of a machine consciousness was so laughable that that it could never happen, but yeah rejecting AI materialism is voodoo lol
>If you think something is theoretically possible that must mean that you think this particular method is coming soon!
Strawman harder, brainlet.
>120g of protein
THINK OF THE GAINS
>A man who devised an algorithm machine 80 years ago laughed at the idea of hyper-advanced applications of that technology, therefore it cannot happen
Well when you put it that way, user.
The point of the fucking Turing test is to see whether or not we can fool a spectator into thinking he's interacting witha human instead of a machine, not that the machine itself is has a consciousness ffs. Read a book instead of spouting pop-science blogpost #9438
pot calling the kettle black
Thanks for being reductive. I included the list to say that your dismissal was stupid, not to say the idea is right.
Your biggest problem is that your don’t understand what a reason to believe something actually is. There is no “evidence” for or against either materialism or dualism, because what you mean by evidence is highly limited. You think of evidence here as an observable phenomenon. But if we include logical proofs and arguments, there are plenty of reasons to believe in dualism. The Modal argument, the argument from knowledge, the observational assumption, the zombie argument, Hume’s argument, so on all constitute at least defensible, if not sound, reasons to believe in dualism. You can call it supernatural if you like, but all that reveals, as I said before, is a shallow understanding.
>no dude, I'm telling you, this clock will become conscious the more cogs we add to it!
Nigga no one cares if u can pass Alan Alda’s test lmao
>I mean he could read, so he wasnt a pleb.
Plebeians as a class were highly literate for the time period, especially in urban centres like Rome.
As for your question, I'm not aware of anything like his exact role so I can't say for sure but since he seems to be a holder of a public office/has a singular official role (there aren't other newsreaders on every street corner) if I was going to guess I'd say he'd be one of the Equites maybe.
Being in charge of delivering official announcements and proclamations (plus his well-fed appearance) would suggest to me he's quite high ranking since any public office was highly sought after in those days and his job seems to be similar to a medieval herald or town crier, both roles that were high prestige and thus tended to be monopolized by the well-connected and/or wealthy.
Not that this really answers your question since both plebs and patricians could become members of the equites.
He also had bodyguards to help him off his crate so I'm guessing he was pretty well-off.
>complexity changes the fundamentals of the argument
It’s a categorical, not accidental, fact of consciousness that it cannot arise from materiality. All a computer “is” is a faster, smaller, more efficient machine than what Turing had- the fundamentals are identical. You can build a computer in minecraft. Arguing for complexity to change anything just says that you don’t understand the concept being discussed.
You misread my post. That’s what I said.
>I can logically prove that when cells are configured in a certain way, they open a portal to heaven where our consciousness exists independent of our bodies
For every philosopher who had "proven" your point here, there's one who has disproven it. Philosophy has its role, but pretending like philosophers can "prove" things like mathematicians can is absurd. Especially silly when considering how many "proven" mathematical models have been disproven by scientifc evidence.
Something being logically sound does not make it scientific. It doesn't make it true if there is no evidence to back it up. Basically your crux has to depend on this idea of "consciousness" being more than just a process of your prefrontal cortex. We can perform brain scans of people performing high level thoughts and see that part light up. That IS evidence. To say it isnt because you cant isolate that very specific part that makes you feel special and warm and fuzzy is you desperately grasping for existence beyond being a series of cells functioning together. It's unscientific. It's not based in evidence (nature), therefore it must exist BEYOND nature. Supernaturalism based on logical models is still supernaturalism.
Your body can only utilize about 30g of protein at a time, any excess is just converted to fat and stored.
Maybe he did it so he would be more noticeable for his job.
Fat is just future energy for acquiring gains.
Beer is basically liquid bread calorie-wise and you can drink a shitload of calories easily
>fermenting
ah yes, how could the germs possible survive fermentation
You can make anything sound absurd if you substitute fantastical language and attack strawmen rather than engage with the actual point. That’s the “logic” of flat earthers.
If you don’t think philosophers can prove things, then you honestly do not understand philosophy. Philosophy is mostly logic. It deals with questions that remain unclear and debated and therefore is shorthand in casual discussion for meaningless prattle, but look into Godel’s philosophy, or Wittgenstein, or even read Euthyphro if you don’t think things can be proven through philosophical reasoning. And your point about philosophers disagreeing is as pointless as if I said we can’t trust science as a field because of disagreements regarding physics.
Your point about science is true- something can be logically sound, and therefore *necessarily true*, but not be scientific, because science is a philosophy of knowledge that is purposely exclusionary. What you call science is a Baconian epistemology that was never intended to be the end all of knowledge, but rather a descriptor of the “what” of measurable phenomena. You’re operating under false pretenses when you assume that because something is not experimentally verifiable it’s not true. Causality isn’t experimentally verifiable, nor is being- these things are assumed in the scientific method and demand a prevailing philosophy behind them.
Yes we can see the brain light up, but you truly don’t know the implications of that. How the physical and the nonphysical interact is ultimately inconsequential, and a dualist would just as happily concur that physical stimuli has physical responses in a living thing as a materialist. The only difference would be whether there exists anything more. (Cont)
>And beef back then wasnt like todays beef, shot full or hormones and antibiotics and genetically fucked with.
that's only amerimutt beef, European beef is God's mana
Finally, your point about dualists being afraid of some perciebed cold reality is just childish. I deeply fear the implications of my beliefs, and nothing gives me more trouble than them. I could just as easily say that you fear the implications of objective morality, being judged after death, so on and prefer the reassuring guilt-free mindset of the epicurean. You don’t have an argument here, not because of your ideas, but because you legitimately aren’t educated on the issue of philosophy.
fuck i haven't eaten dates in years. goddamnit i wanna eat dates and drink wine all day without getting fat. why is life only sufering
No, it isn't. It's flushed. That's what rabbit starvation is.
now I know what GRRM means when he constantly talks about barrel chested men
olive oil dude
How many fat people were there like 300 years ago? It's not genetics, you just need to stop shoving hotpockets in your mouth
>I know nothing about computer science but a little about philosophy
>You and i cannot argue about this computer science question because you don't know as much as i do about philosophy
Fine. I see no possible way this conversation can continue without both of us beating our heads about the perceived blindness of the other so let's call it a day and each go our own way.
To put it in terms we both understand, I sound like Einstein arguing about the absurdity of quantum entanglement to you while you sound like CS Lewis rationally proving the divinity of Christ.
I'll totally grant that I'll need to deep dive into dualism to understand what you're trying to say as im sure at this point you're not just a theologian.
Kuddos on proving youre at least someone worth learning the viewpoint of.
>It's flushed
Please take your pseudo-science to /fit/ and stay there. "Rabbit starvation" is caused by rabbit flesh providing little to no vitamins, not because your body reaches some mystical protein quota.
:3
>CS Lewis literally quoted on the first source i look up
Oof.
>oh my god how did caloric surpluses exist before America this can’t possibly be true
Fucking moron
That's why it exists in all lean meats. You get the same if all you eat are chicken breasts or venison strips.
It's hilarious you talk about quotas while espousing some 30g (120c) before it's all converted to fat.
it was better than shitting in the street
It's actually caused by a carbohydrate deficiency.
en.wikipedia.org
You would what? Have sex? Not in this lifetime
IIRC rabbit starvation was from a lack of fats. Which rabbits and squirls don't have much of.
It's why Inuits can live off red meat and fish in the north but you cant in the south.
I think the full picture is that if you have a high protein diet you also need to have a high energy intake which can come from either carbs or fats.
That's him before he gained most of the weight. He was 6 foot 4 and 286 pounds when it got bad. Inarguably obese. Another website says he was 300.
That said its disheartening that when I type his figures into a modern bmi calculator, it does identify him as obese but puts him at a point on a line graph that's still a fair distance from the end, implying the website regularly has to inform people they have substantially higher BMIs than this infamously fat man. He's not even at the midpoint of the red "overweight" section.