Why does communism provide more artistic freedom to kino regisseurs than """free market""" capitalism?

Tarkovsky would disagree.

>out-of-touch boomer that likes to whine claims something
>that means it must be true

Ah, so this is why Communist completely fails over and over again. Because Communists are provably stupid.

Honestly, I think film making both under capitalism and under marxist-leninist capitalism have more or less the same problem, that it that you have to depend on someone else to grant you the ressources to make your movie. Either the studio executives or the public servants of the ministry resonsible for it. And both will have a lot of very arbitrary standards by which they decide wether to grant or deny directors access to these ressources. A lot of great Soviet movies and a lot of great American movies were made in spite of the dissaproval of the respective Powers That Be.

Soviets made some kino tbqh

youtube.com/watch?v=ZWffqNHnOms

nuWars is basically communist propaganda

Communism bad because dumb haha

I wish.

He's saying the Jews are worse than ever before

>Man I sure do wish I could live in Stalinist Russia rather than 1950s America
Civilizations have their ups and downs user. It goes without saying we're at a bit of a low point at the moment.

because capitalists value safety over risks, that's a good thing in every other enterprise, but not for art.

Soviet and Eastern European cinema is top fucking tier and that's because it was top-down bougie productions from capital cities with a mission to make the filthy masses experience high culture. Nowadays the quality is nowhere near as high as its all subject to the Babylon of market forces for the bottom of the barrel scum.

I think the censorship only makes the art better because the director has to be smarter and more subtle with their criticisms of the soviet union.

wtf i guess i hate having food now?

>censorship is freedom
nice 1984 twist my friend, liked and upvoted ;)

>Soviet and Eastern European cinema is top fucking tier
This. If I remember right the Soviet Union set up a state university for Cinematography way back in the 1920's too.

The market forces film makers to appeal to plebs to remain profitable.

Communism will win!

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The Cranes Are Flying is pretty critical of soviet wartime policy

Capitalism is good for some things but culture is not one of them

>don't insult party or nation
>you're fine
as contrasted towards
>don't insult any gender, race, sexual expression, preconceived stereotypes, weights, education levels, nationalities, or political affiliation that sides towards """progressivism""""
>and you work will be fine!

The race to the bottom to be the most inclusive, all-encompassing work makes McDonalds look like an artisan hamburger restaurant

Do people genuinely think the USSR had famines in the 70s?

Yes, I think Comrade Eisenstein was a lecturer there.

Because in USSR you could have film whatever the fuck you wanted as long as you don't shit on the Party. And since actors got paid literally as everyone else in the country (same as directors and writers) the budgets weren't that high.

cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498133.pdf

What's funny is that capitalist Russia on the 90's had way bigger food shortages and poverty than any period in post-war USSR. Russia was only saved thanks to the state-owned gas industry, capitalism failed then pretty bad

>cia.gov

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because the commmies cat use censorship afterwards if they don't like the movie.

George Lucas is retarded. He's a billionaire and could make whatever fucking movie he wanted and finance it himself. He's not limited in any way. If he had been living in the Soviet Union he could be executed without a trial at any time if he made something deemed antisocial, subversive or whatever.

Also literature was better, public channels showed theatre productions, all the cultural stuff was on a much much higher level, now it's just dancing with stars/romcoms interspersed with ads meant to turn your brain into consumerist mush

Wasn’t the USSR like actually thriving at one point before it all went to shit?

>If he had been living in the Soviet Union he could be executed without a trial at any time if he made something deemed antisocial, subversive or whatever.

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but hollywood is communist?

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Because their fucking government just collapsed, you retard. And Russians have always been and will always be completely stupid when it comes to governments. They went from a monarchy right into horrible communism then straight on into Putin world.

see
try to make a holocaust denial film and see how it goes.

no any signs of it collapsing were just covered up and anyone pointing it out magically vanished

Yeah please tell me of the Soviet Unions great respect for personal legal rights. They only killed 60 million of their own people.

>monarchy is bad, my 24 yr old history teacher tod me so

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I've got some bad news for you senpai.

I imagine Lucas would be talking about studio control. Ie; the people with the money wanting to control the film. I imagine the Soviet government had all kinds of demands it put on film makers that got state financing too, but they'd be different from Hollywood's focus group nonsense and other such trash.

Nothing's gonna happen. Theaters won't show it because they'd be subject to boycuts.

>the only leader of the soviet union was stalin

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And there's the end of the thread. Ok, let's shift the conversation to the regular programing. Why don't you actually learn some history instead of thinking that what you heard somewhere on the internet is 100% true. Because i don't think you realise how MUCH 60 million is, especially back then.

Who are you quoting?

if monarchies are so great why are they marginal nowadays and have all effective powers managed by parliaments? checkmate absolutists

no one even implied that you lunatic

>boycuts

the ignoramus who insinuated only stalin was ever the leader of the soviet union

At least you understand the gravity of their actions.

Soviet Union lasted for 80 years.

Well it is. Do some research.

>if monarchies are so great why are they marginal nowadays and have all effective powers managed by parliaments?
Jews

Reminder there's no such thing as free market or libertarian market.

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Culture under capitalism is trash. TRASH

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Name one director executed without a trial for their films.

Funny that you had to qualify that with "in the 70s" because you know damn well that the USSR had famines caused as a direct result of communist policy before.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932–33

I'm not /pol/ but communist apologists really need to fuck off. It's a horrible system that leads to failure every time it is tried.

Based.

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i don't think you understood what i din't understood.
i honestly dont get what you meant with that.

Lucas was at his best when people were telling him what the fuck to do. The moment he surrounded himself with yes men you got Jar Jar Binks.

>It's a horrible system that leads to failure every time it is tried.
So does capitalism, we are heading for enviromental collapse

Cinema is an american invention. Hollywood invented the modern feature film. Watch dw. Griffith's films. They are surprisingly modern. Basically every formal/technical device in use today was invented by dw. Griffith. Eisenstein did very little of lasting importance.

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Holy shit, we short-circuited his brain.

Vsevolod Meyerhold

meanwhile capitalism trades the expectancy of life on earth for profit, the most precarious notion of man

Ukrainian nazis can suck a dick for all i care
German bootlicking worms
Good riddance

You fucks should express you thoughts in a much clearer way that's all.

>then collapsed
>leaving behind horrible soviet infrastructure and destroyed enviroment

at least the nazis implemented food standards animal welfare and the autobahn

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It didn't you retard. If it wasn't according to the party line it was never released. Lots of movies were "freed" after USSR finally kindly fucked off latte socialist bastard.

Keep telling yourself that mutt
You are culture poison
You have always been
In music, in literature, your films, your comic books, everything sucks
Nigger culture is your culture

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There's literally nothing inaccurate about what he said.

Also fuck self-owning farmers, intellectuals, this guy that snubbed me 10 years ago, attractive people, sex-havers, random people we happen to get our hands on.

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>If it wasn't according to the party line it was never released.
How many kinos were never made in the US because they didn't fit with studios ideas of what is marketable

Only when stupid people start to desire other failed forms of government.

are those people gonna be okay?

I think I could legit kill communist apologists. It's basically self defense. One ideology genocided more than anything else and failed spectacularly every time you can't support it unless you want all other people dead.

So just get the money yourself and make low budget movies.

You'd have to count all famine and actual murder deaths to get close to a credible estimation of 10 million. If you believe the highest estimations of every last famine in spite those figures not being the most well evidenced or credible you'd struggle to hit 15 million. Of that, only 1.5 to 3 million actually died in any kind of Stalinist execution or work camp.

60 million is just bad comedy. There's a better chance Stalin personally fucked Roosevelt in ass on the floor of the White House.

I guess fewer than the number of arrested artists in the Soviet prison-state. And there's always a chance they may be picked up later or by someone else like publishing a book that's what freedom is.

I'd like to see you try...

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Stood trial for counter-revolutionary activity.
But no matter, user, I am just glad you did some research at least.
It's obvious Lucas didn't exactly mean directors under Stalinist repressions though. Tarkovsky was the most uncomfortable director for 70-80s Soviets and he just left the country with his films uncensored after Tarkovsky's death. So appealing to executions is kinda weird.

>Stalin killed 60gorillion and Communism is responsible for the deaths of 300zillion saints
Keep believing the propaganda
It's fine with me. You think you are redpilled cause you clap to the sound of control opposition like Peterstein and Shekelino.

Oh hey, it's the same interview where he talks about supporting BLM, his sheboon wife, and says he sold "His children" Star Wars to "White slavers" for BILLIONS.

Stop making excuses for this fat cuck hack you zoomers and neckbeards, dislike nu-wars like a normal person while realizing Lucas has been the worst thing to happen in the history of cinema and is a zero talent shekelgrub that stores your hopes and dreams in his neckpouch and feeds off your souls. Faggots.

Because of merchants being given free reign for two centuries

>Convicted of anti-goverment propaganda during war time
>Sent to prison
>Treated and cured of cancer while in prison
>Get out and write a book that your own wife describes as 90% bullshit

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Yes, nice "trial". Soviets were engaged in a cultural war so they wouldn't want to just execute a famous and popular director, but they still could because people had no legal protection what so ever.

>they only killed 10 million of their own people so it's not that bad
this is your brain on communist apologism

CITIZEN LUCAS!!!FACT!!!

George Lucas dropped himself into shit by running his mouth off at Disney (during an interview with Charlie Rose) over Star Wars Episode 7 The Force Awakens, referring to them as “white slavers” in regards to their handling of the child he sold to them in exchange for four billion dollars, which also included Lucasfilm, LucasArts, Industrial Light & Magic, Skywalker Sound and Indiana Jones.

Afterwards Turkeyneck had to release a “special edition” of his comment where he claims to have misspoke and apologized but you know what’s really bothering him? A Star Wars movie was made without his involvement to huge financial success and it’s burning him up inside because even at this stage in life, George Lucas is and always has been a money grubbing control freak.

On the outside he’s cold and detached but, speaking as someone who was also born under the zodiac sign of the Taurus, under this exterior lays a strong-willed character with great perseverance, determination and passion who occasionally shovels out a lot of fucking bullshit!

One of the things that always confused me about the prequels was the reason why Lucas decided to Direct them when he hadn’t sat in the Director’s chair since making the first Star Wars? Over the years I thought it was because he was worried that either someone would make better movies than him, as Irvin Kershner did with The Empire Strikes Back, or that he just didn’t want to share a slice of the box office pie with whoever helmed them.

>Stood trial for counter-revolutionary activity.
imagine being a tankie and unironically defending show trials

unreal

you are not correct in the head but I have a feeling people have told you and you think its a complement

Not a problem. Everybody here would fuck up anyone trying to bring back that genocidal system so all those pathetic unhealthy latte supporters get no respect. All communist supporters and apologists are potential sadists and murderers ready to shoot people in the back of the head if their party orders them to. All they'd be the ones to get killed eventually because that's how it operates. Humanity never invented creepier or mor einhuman system.

You killed your own people during the American Civil War too
Also the famine deaths are indirect deaths, if you count the indirect deaths of the industrial revolutions you wouldn't have a leg to stand idiot
Go watch your Peterson video now brainlet faggot

When did you realize armchair communists were just holocaust deniers on HRT?

the proletariat dictatorship owned the means of production and were therefore limitless in their access to the resources and productive forces necessary for the creation of film.

You have to go back

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Are you dense? I never suggested or implied that they never had famines. Previous famines are directly implied when you make a point of saying "in the seventies".

George was talking about life in the seventies in both the american and soviet regimes. That was the topic of conversation.

For reference the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl happened around the same time as the major soviet famines, but you wouldn't bring that up to characterize america in the seventies.

when i became a liberal

both sides hating me is a sign i am doing something right

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reddit loves communism

Yes, rob the people of all their wealth, send them to slave labor camps and kill anyone who's "problematic". All for the sake of the bankers who financed you.

When one pathetic youtuber made a video in which he attempted to absolve USSR of some war crime (as if there wasn't more where that came from) using the same dishonest tactic and lies. Comments are also very similar with "people" blaming the victims, calling them nationalists and their family liers. Usually it's just Russkies being in denial about their army of war criminals who helped Hitler start WWII.

Yeah unlike noble capitalism which only kills people after declaring them not "our people".

Uh, Tarkovsky?

No it doesn't the_donald is one of the biggest forums on the site, the ones you would describe as communists are probably middle of the road democrats that would vote for Biden

The comment you replied to which was "wtf i guess i hate food now" implies that mass starvation is an inevitability at some point in a communist regime, especially in the transition to a centrally planned economy.

you saying "Well there were no famines in the 1970s so there!" doesn't invalidate that.

You're very afraid of these "pathetic unhealthy latte supporters".

Latte supporters.

>mfw centrist watching both extremes fight like silly children

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Now we are moving into Memeneux territory
At this point i don't know who is worse
The liberal ''left wing''' faggots or the liberal ''right wing'' faggots. You both are equally retarded, that's for sure

Looks like "brain on communism" still hasn't come up with a better counter-argument than the "lynching negroes" fallacy. And inaccurate at that.

They really don't dude, you just think this because you call everything you disagree with communism.

So, whose cock do you guys want to suck next: Mao or Pol-Pot?

Got you running scared, eh porky?

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Fuck a kid then while stomping the head of a dog

>Pol-Pot
Oh the guy propped up by the US and UK? The guy who the Socialist republic of Vietnam was fighting against?

not a clue what you are rambling about now

Hoxha

based centrist big brain club

i'm unironically to intelligent to even fathom believing in an extreme ideology in 2019

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Keep those blinders on you retarded troglodyte.

They basically don't exist here, there's so few of them, they're laughed at and (hopefully) bullied. Below zoo animals in terms of respect we learn about them mostly from videos from countries that never had this system. But even in those countries the awareness of the endless list of communist crimes is rising I noticed a dramatic change in recent years.

Nah mate, the communist leader that killed one fifth of the local population

I do?

Don't forget to donate

Western puppet

Don't forget to change your diaper before mummy comes home.

Nah, I am pretty sure it wasn't just Meyerhold that needed to have a trial. You mention cultural war, but you forget that inside of the Soviet Union there was a need to justify the "punishment of the revolution's enemies". So people would be tried for execution based on testimonies tortured out of them.
And may I remind that Lucas was not speaking about 30-50s USSR. Not that it matters to you or me or Meyerhold, but he was posthumously rehabilitated in 1955.
Please read the whole reply chain.

people genuinely don't see the point in arguing with someone who's so far gone that they defend the deaths of millions of people for ideological reasons

i don't waste my time arguing with tankies for the same reason i don't argue with holocaust deniers

Which explains why no commie could ever (I mean it: ever) answer me how they would try to convince the generation of our parents to come back to the previous system. The younger generation is out of the question as anti-communism is an important part of their identity.

Because America. One of these days read the Wikipedia article on The Day After movie to check tthe Pentagon going full freedom on the director.

I thought George had exceptional freedom with at least the prequels since he was bankrolling his own production?

communist :)

>be self employed
>own means
>some spoiled kid wants communism

no

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theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia

>In a classic piece of Cold War realpolitik, Britain - prompted by the Americans - appears to have given military assistance to the Khmer Rouge-led coalition, despite knowing of Pol Pot's atrocities, in an attempt to limit the power of the Soviet-backed Vietnamese.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_United_States_support_for_the_Khmer_Rouge

I sometimes do it to inform others. If someone sees a twitter tankie you can at least tell people about the victims of anti-national NKVD operations, genocide on various ethnic minorities in Russia or victims of some construction projects (mostly prisoners) like a road or a dam.
Or the canibal island (aka peak communism). And just like that anti-communist sentiments rise while extremes continue to be relatively unpopular.

Yup. Still a communist.

They did whatever they wanted because they weren't accountable to anyone. They could make up whatever excuse afterwards.

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Funny because they don't even look up how the first socialist experiment failed (New Harmony). It's a mental disorder humans usually learn from mistakes.

Name one ideology without a headcount in the millions that's not some retarded system that has never been tried.
>inb4 capitalism

The distinction between "private property" and "personal property" is retarded and doesn't even make sense in the 21st century, i.e. a laptop is personal property but can also be the means of production for a programmer or artist. I've never heard a satisfactory explanation from commies that would delineate "personal" and "private" property on these grounds.

Marxism is a retarded ideology that should say in the 19th century where it belongs

You're exploiting workers for profit. Read Marx.

Fake communist allowed to exist and given support by the west in order to stop socialism (Republic of Vietnam) from spreading in Asia

I don't employ anyone

It wasn't real communism, eh champ?

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Literally wasn't, no.

Then you're petit-bourgousie. You have nothing to gain from capitalism.

They didn't have to worry about the film being profitable so they could make the film closer to their original vision, unless that vision involved criticizing communism or the communist party in any way.
It's just swapping one freedom for another. If you wanted to make a film that had absolutely nothing to do with politics then I can see why George would say you have more freedom.
I've never directed a film in either place so I'm probably talking out my ass

based mentally healthy anons

that's because liberal redditors are retards who bought the boomer propaganda about welfare and state run healthcare being "socialism" and were like "wtf i love socialism now"

A little bit tho.

>In an attempt to broaden its support base, the Khmer Rouge formed the Patriotic and Democratic Front of the Great National Union of Kampuchea in 1979. In 1981, the Khmer Rouge went so far as to officially renounce communism[111] and somewhat moved their ideological emphasis to nationalism and anti-Vietnamese rhetoric instead.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

Literally enemy of the people. You wouldn't be so disgustin if you just kep creating new comunes (after the inevitable failure of the previous one), admitting a handful of other hippies until you quietly go extinct. Good thing that people who suffered under this retarded ideology are violently against it now but it's still bad that your "kind" did it to them.

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The joke is they made good things as a way of rebeling
Those super kawaii cartoons, anti-pedo cartoons
deep emotional movies?

yeah why do you think they wanted to make them?

How? Just cause they were supported by the west (which was done to spite the Soviets) dosen't make them not communist.

They were communist in name only and even abandoned that, see > However, some analysts argue that this change meant little in practice because, as historian Kelvin Rowley stated, "CPK propaganda had always relied on nationalist rather than revolutionary appeals".[114]

I'm not being funny but any system implemented I would still be at the top

I would have likely exploited anything communism had to offer, even harder if everyone else was playing fair

>they renounced communism in 1981 so that means they weren't trying retarded communist forced collectivization experiments in the 1970s!
yikes

In Soviet-controlled state it was a common thing for directors to play with the censor. For example comedies were very popular. Some very anti-communist movies the key was not to be too obvious or you might get into trouble. Talented bootlickers existed too but it doesn't absolve them.

How.

He was comparing life in two countries contemporarily.

It's also clearly not an inevitability, considering Yugoslavia didn't. Cuba never had anything resembling a famine except for a small one with no known mortality when its only major trading partner collapsed, which is better than most capitalist countries would fair under US embargo and happened long after the famine-less institution of the regime.

On the other hand, the Wall Street Crash was just a particularly bad instance of a capitalist inevitability, happened at the same time as the latest soviet famine, but we're not characterizing praise for the US as "wtf I guess I love being a hungry homeless drifter and killing myself now'

Enjoy gulag.

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No, I gotcha. 1815 France also wasnt a monarchy since Louis XVIII was an English puppet.

>tfw ironically pretend to be an unironic Stalinist because is pisses off both /pol/and redditors

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there's no "free market" in hollywood

either you fund it yourself and self publish on youtube or something or you gotta follow their rules

it's too bad lucas spent decades building his own independent way to make films but never supported any new directors to start a new studio or anything
and then he sold it all to the mouse

there's still hope for douglass trumbull, who also has an axe to grind against how hollywood does films
youtube.com/watch?v=k6HRtFVZcew

People continued to die even after

holy mother of based epic troll

would have paid of captors with potatoes

this but unironically

A true king answers to God and no one else

If Louis XVIII claimed to be a monarchist while also fighting against the spread of monarchist ideology while being supported by anti-monarchists you might have a point

That goalpost move holy shit.

Communist Russia had a delegated artist budget
If you don't know, basically composers, directors, etc, were given a fuckload of money, got told to "make art" and were left to do their own thing

As long as they didn't get overly political they could do pretty much anything
Some of the best music compositions, novels and movies come from that era of Soviet

Also, don't pretend America had more freedom back then, if your movie even SEEMED pro-communist you'd be detained

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you people are the worst.

Nah its not that that's good. It's that its unremarkable compared to shit capitalism has also done but never gets tarred for. Between 1770 and 1792 British capitalism managed to kill 30 million indians through famine alone by the same logic that communism killed 10 million over a similar period. And that's just in one corner of the empire not counting other causes of death.

He did just that. The historic records just don't show it.

Because every fucker in Hollywood wants a bigger cut than they deserve so the movie ends up being an horrific amalgamation of shit to appeal to a wider audience. Still better than starving to death though.

You tell those latte supporters.

Based orléaniste.

ah yes, russia is a real holiday destination with all that art left behind

truly the 2nd renascence

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seething poojeet

Are there unironic capitalists ITT

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people aren't intentionally starved because of capitalism, it's not an intentional decision made by some Office of Capitalism refusing to allocate them grain

unlike communism where grain is literally seized by a central authority

refusing to pay someone is not morally the same as robbing them. In the first case, if I ceased to exist, you would still starve, but if I ceased to exist in the second case, you wouldn't starve.

you can understand why people would assign more blame to the latter than the former, no?

>capitalism is bad because people are exploited for profits
>lets support a system where you're just straight up enslaved instead

Well, yes, it was doing quite well for a while between the 50s and 80s. It didn't become a world power for nothing.

>ah yes, russia is a real holiday destination with all that art left behind
Russia is a capitalist shithole

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>If I ceased to exist
Don't tease me like that bro

I really want to visit Russia but that's because I want to visit world war 2 places. Like I wanna do a week in Moscow and maybe 5 days in Stalingrad.

It's not exactly flattering to be drawn to a country by the worst things to ever happen in history but tourism is tourism. Poland gets it.

capitalism has killed more people

The bolsheviks were funded by capitalists.

you would think with all that free roaming 'artists' and communist art budget it would have made an impact like everywhere else

funny huh, its almost if you are romanticising it to make it sound better than it was

>between the 50s an the 80s
um no

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Stagnation

>Hollywood is even more communist than USSR

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Hahaha tell us about capitalist malaria I love this part.

why did rates of homelessness, drug addiction, murders, robberies go way up after the fall of the soviet union?

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polands now the fastest growing european country

Chaos
Corruption

So communism is not responsible for creating conditions that led to the fall of communism?

>wow why did all these statistics of all these things that an office of central planning swept under the rug go up when that office ceased to exist????
it is a mystery

Same people in charge with different labels. I seriously hope retards living far away from the place don't consider it an argument for the bolshevik bastards and the most murderous failure of an ideology in history that they created.

Underrated

*NKVD officer gases you in the back of his mobile gas van*
heh, it's not murder if you're a counterrevolutionary.... kid.....

*party official takes all your shit for his own personal use*

russia is a cultural giant, because the country has soul unlike the USA

Why did they start decreasing ten years after that transition?

because people started actually getting the real stats and it wasn't covered up and the homeless were not moved to barren waste lands?

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If you want to be a professional artist you need at least some people to enjoy your work and finance you somehow e.g. buying tickets, state promotion, funding you or something like this.
You can be lucky and your financier (doesn't matter if's a patron, the governemen or simply a bigger audience because you appeal to the masses) likes your art, accepts your artistic approach and doesn't try to influence your work.
As soon as this isn't the case you have to make some sacrifices if you still want to make a living as an artist.
It was always like that and it always be like that, no matter how the economy in your country is organized.

This is an illusion. Every decision, everything about life in a capitalist country, is in some way decided by the rich that have bought out the government.

You might be starving and view it as something that "just happened", but who fired you from your last job. Or if you're someone who previously made your own living, who introduced legislature or slashed grants that made it so you can no longer support yourself?

Who made it legal for your health insurance to drop you on a technicality, or decided you wouldn't just get healthcare as a matter of course.

During the years of your employment, who set your wages at so far below the wealth you create that you couldn't save enough to survive the coming downturn.

Everything that happens in Capitalism is the decision or fault of a few hundred or few thousand rich people. And they don't even function to keep each other in check because they largely have the same interests as employers so want 95 percent of the same things.

On the most basic level the very existence of large scale private property isn't a natural thing. You need a state, an army, and a police force behind you to own a factory you might never set foot in.

Capitalism is a system where you're deprived of freedom and where the circumstances of your life are controlled by others to your detriment. They're just better making you not see it despite it being in plain sight.

not even in the usa, this is euro time Yea Forums

Russia is kind of shitty. Part of their culture to this day is invading others, not respecting any kind of personal rights and lying about their history.

>capitalism failed
Russians failed. As in they failed to provide a stable environment in which capitalism can flourish. If you institute capitalism without the necessary institutions, it's going to turn out like Africa.

>be drug addict in soviet union
>someone finds out about it
>sent to gulag in secret and drug addiction is never recorded as official stat
wow i wonder why all the stats for these things went up when a repressive communist regime wasnt in power anymore

because you only have to convince the people in charge, who generally are pretty smart, to give you money

in capitalism you have to convince as many people as possible, who generally are pretty dumb, to give you money (or the people in charge won't give you money in the first place)

it's not about communism, but authority

Power vacuums are a bitch

>eliminated unemployment and homelessness
More like eliminated the homless and unemployed. I know /pol won't find anything wrong and that's because the bolsheviks are not much different from neocons. They are both misantropist who have no problemsigning off millions of people to make the country look more wealthy.

yes, but it's shitty with soul

Never heard of Fritz Lang faggot?

he was rejected by the west after he named the jew

I swear dipshits don't understand that you can't wave away facts about the soviet union with "they were covering things up lel".

The facts we have largely come from internal, confidential reports that discussed problems frankly, not publically released PR.

nice digits
and yes, those /pol/sters are a bunch of meanies

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Also jailed scientists for speaking the truth.
Kinda like trans people who hate scientists for telling them it's impossible to change sex trying to get them all fired.

>people in power who are generally smart
Are these the same people that thought freezing crops would increase their yield? Cuz that sounds pretty smart to me.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Ye, like the Holodomor.
holodomor.ca/key-documents-related-to-the-holodomor/

> Every decision, everything about life in a capitalist country is in some way decided by the rich
Nope. Demonstrably false. I have marketable skills, so if I have two job offers from two companies, the decision of which one to work for is mine and mine alone, not some mythological "rich person who has bought out the government."

I don't have such a freedom in a communist regime.

>You might be starving and view it as something that "just happened", but who fired you from your last job
If you got fired, it was likely your own fault for breaching your contract or underperforming in some way. The term you mean to use is "laid off" but it's okay, I don't understand a communist apologist to understand things related to work or employment.

Yes that happened.

go self employed

or

change to a proven flawed system because you don't like your boss

hmmmm, during ww2 people grew food in their gardens in the uk and shared it, in russia it would have been confiscated by a retard and left in a ware house with the intention of getting it to a comrade 100 miles away and it would have spoiled either way because the state knows better than you

>you can't wave away facts about the soviet union with "they were covering things up lel".
>an authoritarian regime known for imprisoning people who speak against the regime would never misrepresent the official stats to make their regime look better

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>Capitalism is a system where you're deprived of freedom and where the circumstances of your life are controlled by others to your detriment. They're just better making you not see it despite it being in plain sight.

?????

I wonder how many gommies overlook the millions upon millions of entrepreneurs who, as actors in a free market, make a living doing something they love. They have the freedom to create their own businesses and sow the fruits of their labor. Capitalism is the very essence of economic freedom. Socialism regiments your life and restricts whatever capacity you have to act as an individual in the market. Why? Because the State sees no utility in the individual, insofar as the goals of the collective are concerned.

You can't read.

>because you only have to convince the people in charge, who generally are pretty smart, to give you money
If they are smart, they know communism doesn't work.

They're still smarter than the average slob, and we're talking about the office of culture not agriculture. And even if they're not that smart, they only have to give funding to good directors, by accident or by reputation. A business aiming towards the lowest common denominator would try quite successfully to make the movie dumb.

>The facts we have largely come from internal, confidential reports that discussed problems frankly,
Yes, I'm sure that low level bureaucrat would never cover up a problem under his responsibility when reporting to communist part official #5910, all these internal reports were for sure 100% honest and frank discussions of facts with no politics involved at all.

>They're just smart you guys
Yeah, 200+ IQs right there.

>systematic extermination of people vs a war of revolution with aggressors on both sides

Why do you use false equivalents? Jesus christ stop drinking the Kool aid cunt.

Your argument is literally "LOL PEOPLE WOULD NEVER LIE TO THEIR COLLEAGUES AND BOSSES TO LOOK BETTER"

yeah everyone who becomes authorities in a global superpower are just dumb lol

slavic man bad

Well if it was in an internal report, it must be true. Consider me convinced!

Not smart enough to freeze crops, apparently.

Trump is a pretty effective leader and pretty smart, glad you agree my friend.

You can go read many of these that came from the very worst crisis points, because for a few years after the collapse of the USSR the archives were open to western historians. Most I've looked at were from World War 2.

"We suck. We need to not suck. Everyone's dead and its because we did some dumb shit" is not an uncommon bottom line to these things. They might couch it in slightly softer terms, but their estimates of how many men they lost tends to be realistically high.

the average ameriburger thinks the sun revolves around the earth

>noooooo don't you know trotskyists, kulaks, fascists, and saboteurs have human rights!

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communism will win

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You really don't know how things worked in commie countries, do you?

The average communist can't think because he's been executed.

the average ameriburger isn't deciding government policy

>You can go read many of these that came from the very worst crisis points, because for a few years after the collapse of the USSR the archives were open to western historians. Most I've looked at were from World War 2.
Ah yes I'm sure the officers reporting to Stalin just 3 years after he purged literally ~1 million people were definitely forthright and honest about the facts and would for sure voice opinions that make the country (and by extension, Stalin) look bad.

no but they're funding movies you giant spastic retard keep track of the discussion before you make another abhorrent post

Oh, you think Putin is any more honest about the state of his country than the Soviet Leadership was?

It's almost like the 20th century happened in between.

>"We suck. We need to not suck. Everyone's dead and its because we did some dumb shit" is not an uncommon bottom line to these things. They might couch it in slightly softer terms, but their estimates of how many men they lost tends to be realistically high.

It always warms the heart to remember what happened to this idiot

commie apologists literally think the Great Purge was made-up western propaganda

nice political repression

kek, did he get dishonorably discharged?

The state of world is so shit I'm willing to give communism a try
Just hit me up when the revolution goes down

He's an effective leader and smart by capitalist standards, in the sense that he's very succesful at using his office to accumulate wealth for himself and his cronies at the cost of the american people, yes.

>express sympathy for literal enemies of the US and get kicked out of military for it
>political repression

Service in the armed forces is a right, not a privilege. If you take an oath to protect the constitution and the Republic, you can't then promise to overthrow the government. You can't say "I want to overthrow the government" as an enlisted soldier.

never insinuated anything close to that, but humanitarians are allowed in to survey

and the soviets would not allow that and they did shift people to waste lands

shit its one of the main reasons for watch dog organisations now, because communist and nazis would cover up human rights violations

He got an "other than honorable" discharge lmao. Here's the story about this gommie

theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/19/west-point-commie-cadet-us-army-socialist-views-red-flags

I'm Canadian but that's pretty based to kick him out. glad the US military doesn't stand for that shit.

>BAAAAAAAAAW NERDS ON THE INTERNET HATED MY SHIT PREQUEL MOVIES I WISH I WORKED UNDER STALIN
lol and this is the guy some fuckers on this board defend?

>Rapone said his journey to communism grew out of his experiences as an army ranger in Afghanistan before he was accepted into the US Military Academy. And those views only hardened during his studies of history as one of the academy’s “Long Gray Line”.

>Rapone was not accepted to West Point, so he enlisted. He was deployed to Afghanistan in 2011 and was assigned as an assistant machine gunner in Khost province.

>“We were bullies in one of the poorest countries on Earth,” Rapone said. “We have one of the most technologically advanced militaries of all time and all we were doing is brutalizing and invading and terrorizing a population that had nothing to do with what the United States claimed was a threat.”

Sounds fuckin based to me

The soviets weren't intentionally starving people in the famines either

The worst thing they at any scale was take from rural populations to make sure the factory workers could keep working, but their goal wasn't to starve anyone. They want those people so they could work in the future.

It did you filthy t*rk

When he had total freedom he made the prequels

Out of spite.
He was sick of everyone saying that he was a horrible person, and that his jew wife was responsible for any success that Star Wars had, despite the fact that Lucas had other successful franchises as well that Marcia never touched.
And by the end of the 2000s, Lucas was so sick of the fanbase shit talking him, that he decided to stick it up to them, and sell his franchise to the guys he knew that would rape it the most possibly horrifying way. He even donates most of the money, as proof that this is completely out of spite.

Your home is personal property because you actively live in it. The brooms in your broom closet are your personal property because you store them in your home. Your laptop is your personal property because you're constantly shitposting from it.

And if I use my laptop to create something that makes money, suddenly the laptop is a >means of production despite nothing changing about it.

I thought he self pruduced the prequels?

Imagine how much of a brainlet you'd have to be to start your propaganda leaflet with "after being razed to the ground..." and then listing relative gains.

He doesn't say that there was much artistic freedom in the USSR, but under the purpose of generating more capital you have even less.

desu I haven't seen the video but I hope he doesn't imply that the prequels were made shitty because he had to serve to the masses, when they were guaranteed success and only his pocket was on the line

>censorship only makes the art better

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>He doesn't say that there was much artistic freedom in the USSR
>I haven't seen the video
Why are you asserting something without watching the video? He specifically says as long as you don't insult the government you can do what you want

He had to kill what he created. Simple as that.

Gay

Ghey

In 30's maybe
After Stalin died that would be prison for couple of years
During Brezhnev and later: nah

>shitpost
But that's literally you the worker owning your means of production. Where's the contradiction?

He did this to himself you idiot.

He literally went to war with fans with his special editions bullshit.

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>starbucks commie american experts discussing ancient foreign politics
it's a school day tomorrow, Kyle

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theres no such thing as a trans vegan

estrogen is synthesised from pregnant mare urine, its more cruel than the milk industry as they are packed into warehouses in eastern Europe and trapped all day to pee harvesting equipment so some spoiled kid can be a girl

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Whoever had control over him over the original movies, is a fucking saint.

George would of made a shitshow.

>unironically being a capitalist
>unironically being a communist
Property is a spook retards

considering how shit his stuff was with total freedom I don't think this is a bad thing

always funny to see "trans vegan" or "Trans anarchist"

I love this 'out of context quote headlines are a story' generation

It does tho

Haven't you ever heard the phrase "art thrives under restrictions"?

>>don't insult party or nation
>>you're fine
I think they're also intended to uphold certain values and ideals. They couldn't make a movie celebrating imperialism for example, even though it's not insulting the party or nation.

If only

Did any of those fucking communist make a movie about their gulags? Or how about the NKVD Or KGB carrying out assassinations against unarmed civilians? Yeah, the U.S. may have some atrocities under their built, CNBC and the CDC telling me about the Tuskegee Institute and all the experiments they carried out about black folks who had syphilis, ot the American government trying to sterilize people of color like the Native Americans. But our country has been around far longer then the Soviet Communists have been. If the fucking Marxists were still around, they'd still be shitting all over the environment and hauling people to their gulags just for nonviolently protesting the communist government. Oh, I forgot, the communist government you have inside that head if yours is far better than what the Soviets had made a reality.

isn't it common knowledge he made the films to shill the toys

I think he also keeps certain characters alive so that he would be able to sell more merchandise that were based on the character. Why doesn't he just go the indie route and make a movie he wants to make, then show it to any of those film festivals so that any studio interested can buy the rights to distribute the film?

no, they literally didn't. if you said the wrong fucking word your own family might put you in the gulag out of fear

Its true though, without the auteur movement there in the 70's, we'd be stuck with the same awful garbage

Thank god for Kathleen Kennedy and her patronage of American Zoetrope.