So was it all a dream, or was it real?

Then why was that guy sweating?

Well that's depressing, guess I might just stick with thinking its real

When you really analyze it, it could be both.

It wouldn't seem real though when you got home and saw your wife, when you clearly remember shooting her in the head.

He was nervous about whether they'd have to lobotomize Doug.

the best endings are ambiguous

The Rekall guys literally say "Blue Skies on Mars" when they're plugging in his dream

Good point. The ending is ambiguous so I guess this is one of the things to support it being real. Im still leaning towards real, but its clear its supposed to be ambiguous

Yeah, I caught that. Which is partly why im considering that it might be fake

>what, the guy that went in to get him out of his alledged memory?
Yes, the man was telling the truth. Oops, schizoid embolism.

>Then why was that guy sweating?
Dramatic effect.

It's real. Because the shrink is obviously full of shit.
If I am still in a simulated dream, they don't need me doing anything to wake me up. Nothing I do in my dream can decide if I wake up or continue dreaming.

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>If I am still in a simulated dream, they don't need me doing anything to wake me up. Nothing I do in my dream can decide if I wake up or continue dreaming.
Yeah but don't they basically say this is a last attempt to get him to wake up, cause he couldn't?

Anyhow. When he said "this pill symbolizes your will to wake up" or something like that it's obvious bullshit trying to make me take the pill. Everything the guy said was wrong. He was too agitated when he said he was calm.

The nervous bead of sweat proved it to be real.

This guy on the other hand looks very trustworthy

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>It was all a dream; when he shot that guy in the head, he fucked himself. The director reveals that in the DVD commentary.
No he didn't you god damned liar, I listened to the commentary too. Verhoeven said he intentionally left it open to interpretation because he thought the audience would want Arnold to actually do those heroic things and win in the end, but both scenarios are possible.

At the begining of the film, he walks into the recall center. The name of the adventure that he selects is called "Blue Sky On Mars". That's all you need to know.

Yeah, but if they didn't implant the memory, that would mean that he just legit saved the planet.
Im not sure, andVerhoeven was right in thinking audiences would be pissed if it was all fake, I would be. Who wants to watch a movie where the hero gets lobotomized at the end?

Why the hell would they even have a program with that name, if it wasn't a dream?

>Why the hell would they even have a program with that name, if it wasn't a dream?
To leave it ambiguous as to if its real or not, so that even 30 years later faggots are still discussing it online.

The Philip K Dick story Total Recall was based on, We Can Remember It for You Wholesale, was not a fantasy in the protagonists head. So I will go with that interpretation and say the events of the story were real.

This killed me

Couldn't the sweat be something conjured by Arnold's dream, in some way?

The doctor said he was having dilusions and he'd basically broken the memory implant and his mind was twisting stuff and making it up as he went along. So it could be theorized arnold was considering leaving but then his brain made the sweat bead to keep him in the dream

Could be. He doesn't appear nervous otherwise. The way that it's filmed with the slowdown and the music seems to imply that something very bad just happened, rather than the hero outwitting the villain.

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Yeah that's the vibe I got. Plus everything he describes, running into Coehagan, the mutants, working with the rebels, and saving the planet before labotimization happens

My immediate thought was that Arnold "created" the sweat, or that it was at least possible and that trusting something to be real in a dream was a fool's errand. Didn't consider that it could've been competition between Arnold's brain and the Rekall stuff. Plus, shit gets REAL nuts afterwards.

Yeah, I feel it was his brain vs the recall stuff, and in the end he let recall take him down. Its kinda hinted at with him making the choice there

>Everything the guy said was wrong
Everything the guy said was right. He predicted exactly what would happen if Arnold didn't take the pill.

I miss soulful Arnie movies

are they ever coming back?

He's an old man now user.

There are scenes where Quaid isn't present and Quaid is unaware of things that happen in these scenes. If it was all a dream then either these scenes would not exist (as Quaid is not present to dream them) or Quaid would be aware of them (as he would have to dream them). The fact these scenes both happen and Quaid is unaware of them indicates that the story is real.

This right here

Kuato looks into Quaid's mind and he remembers something that he wasn't present for as well. If it was all real, how did he remember that conversation?

Dreams are weird, you can be a silent observer in them. If it took place in reality, there's no way he could have had that memory.

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when I was a kid I thought the chick with 3 knockers was so hot, but then I saw she let the black guy touch them and I was disgusted

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Just watched this all the way through the first time in awhile. Was better than I remembered. Not sure if my tastes have changed or if new movies are that bad

Yeah but why would he be dreaming about killing his wife and best friend? Was Quade a serial killer internally?

>why would he be dreaming about killing his wife and best friend?
That's what makes me think the schizoid embolism is what really happened. There's no way Recall would devise a memory for you that's indistinguishable from reality in which you kill your loved ones. As soon as you got home you would realize it was all fake. And probably have a very awkward conversation with your wife.

need 1 (one) schwasenegro kino for tonight.

Maybe the real total recall was the friends we made along the way

fat people do that all the time, Arnold is just such a fitness buff he can't stand anyone that out of shape, so he shot him.

Heres a list someone else put together
I highly recommend Commando

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I'll never forget the woman with three tits.

Escape Plan was fun

Good times

OK, I just got done watching my Bluray of it, OP, and I too now have the feeling that it might have been a dream, there were too many hints that it was all in his head, or you know, all just part of his "adventure package" from Recall

>people thinking it was real
>people thinking sweaty guy was trying to save him
>nobody thinking sweaty fat guy was just part of the experience and everything went exactly according to script
Dumbasses.

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What would have happened if he took the pill then? How would the script have played out then.

It was a simulated memory. He was never controlling his actions. The implanted memories were designed to make him feel like he did all this shit.
It's literally what he paid for and it was explained to him from the start.
Writer just happened to be into metashit to help it feel more authentic.

>and I too now have the feeling that it might have been a dream, there were too many hints that it was all in his head, or you know, all just part of his "adventure package" from Recall
Op here, yeah there were a ton of "its a dream" hints throughout the movie, more than I remembered
>the name of blue sky mars program
>girl on monitor in recall is same as one later in the movie
>at customs on mars, arnold (in the woman mask) says he'll be there for two weeks, the same amount of time that the recall sales man said he'd gain in memories
>the slowed down death of the doctor, vs the rest of the deaths, as well as the escalation of events
>events follow what the doctor said would happen almost perfectly
>details the salesman describes in the recall package, including the Hilton, the shuttle, saving planet and getting the girl, all happen
Im sure theres more

>In short: Total Recall doesn’t tell you whether it’s real or it’s a dream because it’s literally supposed to be both simultaneously, not unlike Schrödinger’s Cat.

>“Total Recall doesn’t say whether it’s reality or it is a dream, you know? It’s really saying there’s this reality and there’s that reality, and both exist at the same time,” Paul Verhoeven explained ... “Because you look at Total Recall there is never a preference, let’s say, taken by me or the scriptwriter, to say this is really what he dreams about and this is the truth.”

>“I wanted it to be that way,” Verhoeven clarifies. “Because I felt that it was – if you want to use a very big word – post-modern. I felt that basically I should not say ‘This is true, and this not true.’ I wanted – and we worked with Gary Goldman on that, not the original writers – [and we] worked very hard to make both consistent, and that both would be true. And I think we succeeded very well. So I think of course there is no solution. Hey, it’s both true. So I thought, two realities; that it was innovative in movie language at least, to a certain degree, that there would be two realities and there is no choice.”

mandatory.com/culture/1162415-exclusive-paul-verhoeven-finally-explains-ending-total-recall

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Seems like a bad business move to give your clients a clear memory of being told they suffered an embolism on your machine.

I have nothing to add but Sharon Stone was hot as fuck in this movie.

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You're not getting how this system works. It's not like a video game where you're dumped in a simulation. All Rekall does is implant a complex, convincing series of vivid memories into your head. It's all pre written from beginning to end, down to the last nick-of-time stunt, and any metanarrative like a bullshit embolism story or recall machine fuckup is designed to make the memory seem more authentic. He was probably in that seat for about an hour, if that, woke up after the kiss (which included an implanted musing that the whole thing was a dream, likely including waves of unreality similar to depressurizing from a dive), thanked them for his vacation, and went on with his life.

Would totally pay my wage to implant a fake memory of marrying her for two years

>ywn bone prime Sharon stone
why even live

I hear ya
jdimsa

it's kinda weird when you think about it. When you leave the place and go back to your job you will think you are a secret agent who liberated Mars.

He still has a memory of the embolism talk. Imagine going on a roller coaster, and while you're in line a loudspeaker tells you that you're going to die a brutal death on the ride. That would turn off a lot of customers even if no one died.

>At last, I have finally become, total recall
I just about lost it when arnie said this

what a faggot

Which is why they evaluated the fuck out of him beforehand. They concluded that Quaid wasn't the sensitive faggy type who'd piss himself if a roller coaster said it was gonna kill him as part of the ride.

Not at all. Remember that Quaid starting to think it was a dream near the end was part of the implant. It was Rekall's exit feature. Waking him up as the unreality hit would have eased his belief in it all being fake from the start.

It was real. There was no indication that they could send people in to people's dreams or whatever and if they could getting shot wouldn't matter because why not send the guy in again and again until Arnold would be like "oh I guess this is fake."

The doc made it sound like though that, basically, if Arnold didnt accept what he was saying, his brain would be gone, and the only thing left would be his memory given to him by recall, which after he kills the doctor, is all thats left

>Total Recall 1990
>ambiguous ending
>Repo Men 2010
>outright telling you it's fake
Seems ambiguouity is more disturbing than fake

>Repo Men 2010
they can go screw themselves with that ending. Was depressing af

No I mean if there is really such a service out there, then there will be some people doing their construction jobs while thinking they are actually secret agents

>there will be some people doing their construction jobs while thinking they are actually secret agents

there are people like that, they're called paranoid schizophrenics

what a thought provoking movie, even after all these years, too bad now we just get nonsense like The Last Jedi, good job OP

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In real life? Oh fuck yeah that would be a problem. Even an exit feature would be risky.

Its amazing how many good movies Arnold made. Stallone, and Willis, have nowhere near as many.
>the pavement was his enemy

>Imagine going on a roller coaster, and while you're in line a loudspeaker tells you that you're going to die a brutal death on the ride.
If I was paying 300 bucks for the wildest roller coaster of my life, I'd be disappointed if that's the best they had.

The exit feature part is a kind of big of the movie. It's a confusion with "experience" and "memory"
Now we are all familiar with Matrix and VR and we think an exit feature is useful in that.
But originally the Rekall said they are selling "memory". Not just experience but "memory". Their original (IE. If nothing goes wrong) operation was already intended to make people schizo. To them the exit feature is just something that prevents clients from paralyzing on their chair forever. But even when the clients leave their company normally, the clients will hold memory they think are real.

>big
I mean bug.

So let's say it's supposed to just be a pre made program, program is activated, everyone you see is an illusion
Wouldn't Arnold killing his friend show that recall lost control of the program? Shouldn't it just be say ricktor after him? Wouldn't this be a sign of his brain either being destroyed or it being real, and thus the program isn't just running it's course?

Lets be realistic here. PKD would prefer it ambiguous because nothing’s real to that fucker.

It could be a 1 time thing. Time doesn't necessarily flow the same during the dream as it does in real life, so he could become a brain dead veggie the moment he chooses to not believe he's still dreaming.

I couldn't find her hot because then I'd be cheating on the superior Sharon Stone in her 80s workout outfit.

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>was it a dream, or real?

Kino. It was Kino.

The bigger question is why would the feature looks like a doctor. If they really want people to realize they are in a dream they should do something people don't confuse with real people

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>wake up
>realize you just experienced a fucked up death on Mars
>never got to fuck anyone
How would this be a good experience? I'd be pissed and would want my money back.

and thats the artistic merit about this movie

After all the primal sex with Sharon Stone, sex wasn't what Quaid was starved for. More than that he wanted a mars adventure.

Or all three. Either he died from an embolism followed by a lobotomy, every second of it was part of the vacation experience and he went home to his 10/10 wife with a cool fake memory, or it was all real and he was the savior of Mars.

lol what? do you never dream about other people?

>And probably have a very awkward conversation with your wife.
What happens in Vegas...

Is the fact the Quades wife, and the recall salesman, both try to convince him to take a Saturn cruise supposed to mean something?
Is it proof that they're were trying to keep him from screwing up his head because he was an agent? Is it proof the mars program is more dangerous than others for a person's brain?

So did you guys like the remake?

It was alright. It being set on earth at least differentiated it from the first one. Still not as good, but the missing mark at the end of the movie from his injection at the beginning is a nice "what did they mean by this" moment
Overall it was better than most remakes

Like the Robocop remake it had some good ideas but ultimately lacked the Verhoeven madness that made its predecessor great.

>no Hercules in New York
that list is shit

The first chase scene was recorded in a well-know public plaza in Mexico City, that's why is one of the favorites here.
It's funny cuz' it is supposed to be the future but that place is awful.
Great work of the director.

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Fuck off beaner.

Good to know that. I hate that every sci-fi now takes place in Singapore or Honkong

Make me!

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Maggie was pretty good