How did a fringe faction with a fraction of Empires resouces managed to build that shit?

how can a fringe fraction of the empires build that, get it blown up and yet is somehow still winning?

It's a fictional setting mutable within the bounds of its writer's imagination. Just like the holocaust - it's made up, folks.

>watching TLJ
>One ship hyperspeed rams the First order fleet and it's all destroyed
>wondering what the entire point of space battles are
>wondering why the fuck the resistance didn't just put a droid in a ship and rammed the death star
It dont matte bro it look so cool lol amazing shot so is okay

They looked at the resources you needed to build a death star and relaxed because you couldn't marshal such industrial capability in secret. But then a fringe fraction built an even bigger weapon in secret.

In 20 years no less
I love that the new order are just these guys floating around in space being menacing but with no real goal.
What would Rylo Ken be up to if a series of coincidences hadn't led to Rey showing up? Just wandering around his space ship wearing a mask? What are bad guy's goals in this film?

12 hours*
movie literally takes place in the immediate aftermath of 7 and follows a ~12 hour slow chase scene where people leave the chased spaceship and then come back to it

AND HOW, HOW THE FUCK DID THE LASER BEAM THAT IT FIRED AT ONE POINT JUST SPLIT INTO 5 DIFFERENT LASER BEAMS, EACH GOING INTO A DIFERENT TARGET . HOWWWW

I assume it took Rey a few days to reach Luke but yeah.

>MFW the writers actually acknowledged Relativistic Kill Vehicles in fucking Star Wars.
>MFW they don't even realize that they've broken the masquerade beyond all repair by this point.

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also how was the laser beam and explosion visible from everywhere in the galaxy. simple: Jar Jar is unironically a brainlet who doesn't understand physics

>the loyalists pooled the last remnants of the fallen empire's resources in a desperate bid to take out the republic with a wonder weapon
is the way it should have been, except
>death planet gets destroyed
>first order alive and well, even more of a threat in TLJ
nuwars is fucking retarded, that's all

The FO didn't build it, they just took over some alien civilization's super weapon project.

is that the story in the not-movies? i wouldnt be surprised

its a giant light sabre

I would have made this thing an ancient relic and the map they were all after wasn't leading to Luke but to this forgotten superweapon. In the end they'd have an intimate fight on the ground with the whole main cast while the side characters had a space fight to keep the First Order away. In the end they cause a misfire which leads to the planet's destruction.

Rey would have had a purpose as a character in there as her experience with salvaging and ancient machinery would have given her an edge on figuring the place out.

Disney should have hired me. But they didn't. So we have the shit we got.

a "fraction of the Empires resouces" is still an unfathomable amount of material and manpower. When they don't have to bother running a whole galaxy or constantly putting down rebellions I'm sure they can be more efficient with their time and energy.

What really ticks me off is that the republic has done literally nothing on screen. They got a few of their planets fried and then they just keeled over and let the first order take over. The whole situation is as ridiculous as Bush surrendering to Al-Qaeda and replacing our constitution with sharia law after 9/11 happened. A few planets should feel like a scratch to a galactic superstate like the republic.

btw what happened to all the ships in the old imperial fleet?

I don't remember this being mentioned in the movie though.

Is this seriously the third time they used this concept? I feel pity for Star Wars fans.

they parked their entire fleet on the main planet that blew up okay. They had no backup.

It should have been pre-old republic tier tech that got left behind in the uncharted regions that the First Order stumbled upon as their ace in the hole against the republic.

good, except you don't destroy it in the first movie. nuEmpire gets a hold of the weapon and escapes with it, thats why they are still a threat in nuWars despite being defeated in Jedi, the whole trilogy is about finding a way to destroy that motherfucker, which was actually build by the ancient Sith so characters have to explore lore about ancient Jedi and Sith, forgotten temples and stuff like that to find information about Starkiller and it's weak points, while nuEmpire keeps destroying planets while pursuing them.

They didn't build it, they found it. The galaxy is large and full of oddities.

they are white males

see

Nothing in the movie suggested they found it. Granted, nothing in the movies also suggested they built it, but that is just bad storytelling.

You mean a bigger weapon in even more secret, because there wasn't even a resistance that knew about it or got the plans for it previous to the film.

It's implied.

where? how?

Reversing the dynamic would have been interesting. Shame the Mouse's minions don't have enough imagination to even do that.

The Force Awakens was really bad. Easily one of the worst films I'd ever seen. the Last Jedi was even worse.

Seeing the forces of the New Republic doing some counter-insurgency would've been great.

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>they found it

Who is randomly building oversized Death Stars just to desert it? It likely took 20 years to make that.

Is that thing planet sized? It's goddamn ridiculous. The atmospheric pressure in the "trench" would be enormous. I don't remember, does the thing actually "open"? Holy shit that thing is actually more bullshit than the whole TLJ, as far as physics are concerned.

CIS droids built it, these weren't battle droids but unarmed industrial droids not connected the CIS control station.

quit making shit up, user. none of this was in TFA

I think my brainfarts make more sense than the current canon. I succeeded mating prequel elements to the sequels.

I honestly can't even remember how they destroyed it.

Does it really matter when the First Order can just asspull another instant threat within minutes literally every time?

>Death Planet destroyed.
>Super Duper Star Destroyer immediately deployed to rebel base.
>Super Duper Star Destroyer destroyed.
>President Skroob's warship and armada immediately deployed.
>President Skroob's warship and armada destroyed.
>Half a dozen AT-AT knockoffs and anti-door cannon immediately deployed.

I can only assume the next immediate threat is some kinda weaponized neighbor galaxy that can only be destroyed by Rey slicing through it wielding a quasar with the force.

because the writers are idiots

Maybe it took 2000 years then they forgot about it

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it started with the Falcon hyperspace jumping onto the planet's surface

Every time it's just a dozen X-Wings flying about randomly firing that destroys the base or ship. The Empire/First Order in these films is never threatening because they have the military competence of kids playing team deathmatch on Call of Duty.

They should have emphasized this in the film because for most of us who don't read the lore the entire films backstory is unexplained. Like who the fuck even are the First Order? Who or what the fuck is Snoke? I've seen both the new films and still dunno the answers to those rather major parts of the story. From the scroll shit it looks like the First Order is a remnant part of the Empire yet have more advanced technology and even less military skill.

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You didn't like butthole planet?

The Star Forge built itself using Infinity Engines that feed off of the Dark Side. The whole Rakata Empire was built using these things, the Wookie home world was a result of Geo-Engineering using an Infinity Engine that had a computer malfunction and kept growing the trees to skyscraper heights.

>"And the last thing they heard was a planet shattering 'BRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPP!'."

At least the emperor's plan was pretty solid. Lure the last of the rebels into a death trap, blockade their exit, pick off their fleet safely behind a shield, send like fifty stormtroopers and a couple of chicken walkers to handle the dozen or so rebels on Endor, corrupt Luke and call it a day. And before that you have the empire actively tracking down the rebel base, sending multiple star destroyers and bounty hunters just for Han Solo, etc.

But what the FUCK is going on with the New Order holy shit.

>Handful of fighters easily cripple the last of the remaining rebel fleet.
>"HURRR pull them back we'll just trail the ships at a casual 55mph for no fucking reason."
>"DURRR turn off all the equipment to track potential evacuation vehicles."
>"What the fuck is a blockade? Just line our entire fleet up in a killzone, nothing's going to happen!"

Episode 4 actually does a minor exposition dumb in this scene to explain what the fuck is going on in the Star Wars world. In it you learn that there is an Emperor, he dissolved the Senate which immediately causes dissension in the lower ranks until Tarkin reassures them. This helps establish that even the Emperor doesn't act with complete and utter devotion, the lower ranks can and do act on their own autonomy which is demonstrated by the fact that one of the officers literally verbally assaults Vader before he gets force choked. The audience also learns about the Force and that its considered an EXTREMELY RARE thing in that little spat as well.

The entire scene is maybe 2 minutes long but it helps establish a shitload of context in the world. The Nu-Wars doesn't do any world building, it just throws you in and the audience is obviously still reeling from it as nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

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And the genius of this scene isn't the exposition dump, it also establishes characters, personalities and relationships. Just like that. Done in two minutes.

What kind of excavators did they use to dig a whole like that? My guess is Volvo or maybe CAT

SCHAUFELRADBAGGER !!!

Have they provided any explanation to what is going on in the ST? What happened between VI and VII?

Shit, I'm a pretty avid "they should've done this and that instead of this and that, they should've hired me instead, faggots" poster, and from one should've-hired-me poster to another, I tip my hat to you.

ur such a manchild who hates a woman being in the lead. just enjoy the movie :)

MOOOO!

Nope, nobody knows who Smoke is, what his relationship to the old Empire was. How he got so proficient at dark side force usage. You get a few establishing shots like the planet Jakku being littered with wreckage which is meant to induce the assumption in the viewer that the Empire lost a big battle. No information is given about the Republic and its relationship with the First Order or why it even uses the name First Order and how it came to be established. Why is there a Resistance when the Republic exists? Huge fucking holes that are never filled in. You're told to read the supplemental books for that shit but that isn't how Starwars was created, all informally comes from the movies.

Of course!

They just dug a trench using cheap child labour and then bought the cannon used from some faggot on Canto Bight.

Idiots just thought leaving all that shit out would make people buy their supplements. Scientology marketing, lol.

DS2 was built in the span of 4 years because they figured out how to build a Death Star when they built DS1.

it's literally brainlet writing at its best
>uh we'll just redo the OT
>these guys are the not-rebels, they fight against the not-empire
>and there's like the republic or whatever but they get blown up
>and the death star, is like, way bigger and it's a death planet now and it can blow up like five planets at once
it's like an actual five year old wrote it

I really don't understand why people think extended universe material should explain the movies rather than extend our knowledge of the universe. The main story should be a cohesive whole while any other external material should explore other concepts and ideas.

When did this start? I can't think of any other films where people go "READ THE BOOK WRITTEN AFTER THE MOVIE" like it is a valid excuse.

It blows my mind that with the billions of dollars they bought the franchise for that this is the level of screenwriting they went with. It's honestly astounding. The episode films are the pivotal parts of the whole thing.

KK is to blame for everything. She set up the hiring practices for HR and all the shit that went down escalated from there.

and then they went and greenlit Rian's screenplay as well

>I really don't understand why people think extended universe material should explain the movies rather than extend our knowledge of the universe

Because they graduated with a B- in a Marketing degree and they have no idea about literally anything at all. All of this shit, all of it, is run by advertisers, and advertisers are FUCKING RETARDED.
Anybody ever hear of that little thing called Crash Bandicoot? It nearly didn't happen because the Universal marketing department wanted to release it under the title Wally the Wombat. Because they were fucking retarded.

They probably thought they could sail all the way to the bank riding on brand name recognition alone.

This. Marketing execs and advertisers think they have a deep understanding of the society and have their finger on the pulse but in reality they are fucking clueless and just take credit for lucky wins.

>dude you can literally write pure shit and they'll go see it
>wipes ass with toilet paper
>here's your screenplay bro
this is how I imagine most production companies operate nowadays

so in the span of one day, galactic legendary heros like han solo and luke skywalker both die, this literally who faction, which came out nowhere that somehow has the resources and numbers that the empire could never manage despite them being the SCRAPS of the empire, destroys the entire republic and within 12 hours basically destroys the entire restistance as well other than like the dozen of nobodies luke threw his life away to save

epic

Why did the Republic have no military?

>THIS IS HOW WE WIN THE WAR... WITH LOVE.. NOT HATE :)

They one fleet. A single fleet. And it was parked around that city planet they used as seat of government which got blown up. Of course you were never told anything like that really, or given any explanation. Just look at the SFX , mang, just turn off your brain. Twelve gauge lobotomy tier writing.

>bro just like.. turn your brain off. it's just a movie about space wizards for kids lmao

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>First Order supposedly still has fleets
>Snoke's dead but Kylo Ren has become Supreme Leader
>Resistance down to 50~ish people
>NOBODY wants to help them
How is this not a First Order victory already?

>Somehow dig a thousand mile deep hole
>Basically no buttressing
>Planet doesn't collapse into itself
Why wouldn't you just build it in space and skip all the earthworks, completely unrealistic. My immersion is destroyed and my day ruined

leia downsized the fleet by like 90% in fear of them becoming tyrannical
it worked didn't it? other than the "got entirely wiped out in one strike" setback they new republic is doing well

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I love Star Wars just for the fact that it made KOTOR possible.

Cool design except the side cannons can only aim vertically

>absorb half the mass of a star
>everything on the planet surface isn't crushed by gravity

You're talking about a franchise where an evil empire takes over the galaxy yet their military haven't figured out how to fire laser pistols in a straight line yet.

This is what happens when you have no visionary. A man like Lucas is necessary for a big project like this.

We all know why

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because you made the mistake that star wars is a sci fi when in reality it's a fantasy adventure film series so it's allowed to operate on cartoon logic
tl;dr

>Cool design
its just more ww2 in space

That part honestly isn't that hard to imagine. They blew up a whole bunch of capital planets at once and maybe the majority of the Republic's military got destroyed and the Republic pretty much became stateless. Or something.

>have the opportunity to make nu-Imperials al Qaeda/ISIS type terrorists to better reflect modern times
>let's bring back Nazis again and they are overpowered for no reason

bravo Disney

>to better reflect modern times
you mean to better reflect your own distorted political biases.
>WHY CAN'T THEY PORTRAY MUSLIMS AS BADDIES? >>>>:(((

What was their tax policy?

that last one really irks me but no one talks about it. if nobody gives a fuck about the Resistance, why are we suposed to root for them? Rian is so incompetent that he suggested that the galaxy actually prefers First Order to rule

even "turn your brain off" can be done right though, like providing an explanation that doesn't sound even more retarded than the thing it's trying to explain.

lol yikes, what's with that insecurity? he literally only said al quaeda and isis

I really wish they did the imperial terrorists angle instead.

we never really get an explanation what the resistance is even supposed to be in the first place, other than >it has Leia so they're the good guys

I hated everything about this thing. It has to be the dumbest shit in the franchise. Empire builds something the size of a small moon, which they managed to make feel believable somehow. Meanwhile the First Order transforming a fucking entire planet like this just feels absurd even in the Star Wars universe.

Then the way it sucked up an entire star to fuel itself was beyond retarded on top of it, as was the laser splitting apart and hitting all those planets at the same time (which looked close together as fuck) The entire thing just failed to cause suspension of disbelief because they just went too over the top. It was just too fucking ridiculous. And none of that even counts the blatant ripoff factor of JJ just making a bigger Death Star to begin with. Fucking hell.

you and i both know what he meant. he wants brown people as the antagonist because /pol/ has made him believe identity politics is the only form of discourse

Because the galaxy was tired and most likely broke after two galactic wars.

Because you can do some dumb shit if you devote the majority of your economy to the military like the Soviet Union.

This is your mind on so󠛡y. Literally defending terrorists. Pathetic.

keep blindlessly consuming the cultural hegemony sold to you by bureaucratic investors with nothing but corporate interests

or, you know, he's tired of >the bad guys are nazis trope for the nth time, even though the OT has done that already and WW2 was like 80 years ago.

>neo-nazi can't understand why his fringe ideology fueled by populist sentiments is defamed in modern pop culture
hmmmmmm

You can see tons of ships in the orbit around the planets right before Starkiller blew them up. I think we're supposed to believe their entire military force was destroyed in this attack kek

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And? You still need ships and manpower to keep the systems in-line. There's no way the REMNANTS of the Empire could have had a fleet big enough fleet to control an entire galaxy which has thousands of inhabited planets.

>WHY CAN'T THEY PORTRAY MUSLIMS AS BADDIES?

because real life already does that

>you and i both know what he meant.
No your bigoted mind decided what he meant. He's talking about how irregular forces can become victorious military forces. Like how a glorified militia can take over half a country.

>implying I'm a nazi
fuck off. I understand Hollywood's creative bankruptcy prevents them from coming up with new villains, so they keep recycling old stale shit like nazis. neo-nazis are literally a forced meme

That's bullshit. It's just boring because we've seen it hundreds of times. It's just cliche now. We want fresh villains.

>fraction of Empires resouces
???

According to the DisnEU, the New Republics peace accord with the Imperial Remnant stated that there was to be a galaxy wide ban on military shit and reduced the size of their fleet dramatically.
The Remnant kidnapped children in the Outer Rim, set up crime families and syndicates, built up a military to rival the Empires, and used dissenters and spies in the Republic senate to sow discord, political infighting and cypher funds from the Republic to help support the New First Order. They could've crushed the Republic at will anytime prior to firing Starkiller, but chose the quickest and easiest route, and in the end they simply moved into the now police-less galaxy.

Dude, it would just be Domhnall Gleeson planting a bomb at a spaceport instead of pretending to be at Triumph of the Will. Was TDK's Joker an attack at muslims too?

The Republic was ran by a bunch of Merkel-esque women who completely scrapped the military.

Even Pablo Hidalgo said the Starkiller Base is pretty farfetche'd even for Star Wars stuff.

That's just an assumption.
Overall in one book that takes place soon after ROTJ an empire cultist of sorts says that they will find a weapon according to Emperor's instructions. But it's never said that it's about Starkiller.

>Reversing the dynamic would have been interesting.
Bane already has that narrative on lock. Not even the Mouse would fuck with Bane.

I don't understand whats so unfeasible. The FO didn't build a planet. Starkiller isn't the planet, it's a bfg. 30 years seems like overkill.

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Weren't the heroes the establishment in the prequels?

>republic votes for sheev
>republic promotes sheev to emperor
>republic happily serves the emperor
>emperor gets killed by rebels
>DUHHH THE REPUBLIC SHOULD HATE THE REMAINS OF THE EMPIRE

>Starkiller of Peace

>sheev blows up a planet killing billions of innocents for no good reason

They explain it in books and shit

>Empire was defeated, the remnants went into unknown space to hide
>Signed a peace treaty with the New Republic
>Part of this peace treaty was that the New Republic would get rid of something like 80% of their military forces
>Empire Remnants (First Order) are not allowed to build new warships
>They do anyway, in secret
>Over decades, rich and powerful people (even some senators) secretly support the First Order and funnel resources to them
>Leia is one of the few Senators concerned about this
>She gets drummed out of the Senate when it's revealed she's Vader's daughter
>She forms "The Resistance" as her own small private army to keep tabs on the activities of the First Order, completely separate from the New Republic's tiny remaining forces
>TFA starts
>First Order blows up Hosnian System, headquarters of the New Republic who are still only operating a tiny number of warships because they're fucking idiots who are still keeping to the peace treaty

that's more or less it. None of this is explained or stated in the film, leading to questions like "how is The Resistance separate from the New Republic" etc etc.

it's all in fucking books that nobody will ever read

That was a rogue admiral, he was disavowed later

Space IRA would be better to make it clearer that the first order are the secret good guys.

>Unironically arguing that ISIS are good guys
Have sex

At least Isis aren't degenerates.

If only it was like 50 times smaller than the original and rapid-firing, instead of 50 times bigger.

Let me reiterate.
Have sex, incel.

ok then
>>republic votes for sheev
>>republic promotes sheev to emperor
>>republic happily serves the emperor
>tiny amount of people rebel against the emperor
>planet harbors rebels
>emperor asks princess of planet to release rebels or die
>princess refuses
>planet of traitors dies
Why would the republic get upset over this? Imagine if LA harbored an army of ISIS terrorists and refused to turn them over. Would you actually be upset if Trump bombed LA?

The real question is: how do you cut a planet like that?

have sex

>shoot multiple targets from lightyears away
>surprised the beams travel similar paths for a large part of their way

Hey your're alright, guy

Snoke is a space jew so funding it wasn't a problem.

When in doubt, blame the Banking Clan.

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>Imagine USA nuking Japan as the equivalent of the rebels destroying both death stars

Japan is defenseless, totally at USAs Mercy.

>in order for us to surrender, you need to wipe out 80% of your military
>USA agrees

Fucking retarded

have sex

It absolutely is retarded. Leia thinks so too. In the book she says it's stunningly naive for them to think the First Order will just abide by the treaty and never be a threat.

The new Senate is full of hippies and peacefags who think all war is over forever, and that they need to "set an example" by scuttling most of their warships

It's dumb, but in-universe it's also treated as dumb. So there you go.

>does it matter?

Underrated

>fringe faction
I know this ain't a good excuse, and I still hate the movies, but Battlefront 2 kind of explains this. Most of the Empire wasn't on the death star when it exploded. A lot of them were spread around the galaxy doing their thing, so there was plenty of fight left in them. The only thing they really lost was their leader. What isn't explained, however, is why no one bothered to do anything about the Empire remnants for 30 years, basically giving them free reign to build up their forces instead of delivering the final coup de gras... but I guess they just explain that off as the rebels still being a bunch of shitters hiding around on forest planets not doing anything meaningful. It really seems like there wasn't any type of government in place to take over once the Empire was destroyed, and it just turned into pure anarchy where everyone was like "eh, whatever".

>the whole trilogy is about finding a way to destroy that motherfucker
No this would be gay. The faggot superweapon would wear out its welcome very fast.

>Starkiller isn't the planet
It's a planet-scale structure. Meaning it's literally tens or even hundreds of times bigger than a death star (which was already considered an near-impossible feat of engineering in the OT).

Why do you care?

I think there's a throwaway line in TFA about how Leia formed the "resistance" because the republic wasn't taking the first order seriously. I think that they're basically a less gay Antifa.
>Leia forms the #Resistance to fight Donald Hux's supremacist First Order
My big problem is WHY the fuck does the First Order want to do all the shit it's doing? Why aren't they happy in the republic? With the rebels and the empire it's fine - the Empire wants to maintain its rule which is why they fight the rebels. The empire blows up planets indicating it's a dick factory which is why the rebels want to end them. FO has no motivation. Is Snoke just that charismatic that he can convince a bunch of people to help him take over?

nigger do you really need someone to explain to you why germany hasn't been reaming itself

>when you need other media to cover your plotholes
Storytelling expectations: subverted.

Honestly, I think that's the route they were trying to go, but since Battlefront 2 failed so hard and considering the future of the series is in doubt, it will probably never be explained except for maybe a book series if there is an author out there that is really hard up for something to do.

bombed vs nuked is important. Trump would more likely send in the military to cut off the heads on the LA government that was harboring it. Who knows how many of those LA civilians agree with him, after all. Alderaan probably had plenty of imperial loyalists (or average citizens who just don't give a fuck) who got fucked because their royalty was a bunch of dumb cunts

Why not simply slapping a hyperspace device onto an asteroid and ackbar them into planets?

It sorta makes sense, even in the previous EU, the Imperial still had a lot of military,assets and space left that they remain their own faction in the universe.

Stop over-analyzing a children's movie.

star wars is dumb

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They had 30 years to do it.

It took 12 years to make

Yeah, so 18 years of resource accumulation, inheriting all that Imperial know-how on the way, and 12 years of construction. The Empire built the first Death Star with less prep time thanks to the Clone War eating up all the resources.

I'll m guessing explosions of some sort then using droid excavators to clear the rubble. The bigger question is where would they put the spoils? That would be a gigantic pile of rock that they could maybe fill in some oceans with. Are antimatter bombs canon in SW universe?

who cares u fucking retards? they fly around in space and shit.

Fraction?

The empire runs the entire galaxy now.

There is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a resistence.

Quick rundown?

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best part is they weren't lying. most of that is just internet routing space

Reminder that while the 8-12 hour chase scene happens Rey leaves and somehow experiences 3 complete days on Acht-To then comes back to meet them at the end of the 8-12 hour chase

These both happen simultaneously because her and Kylo FaceTime during the course of both events

are you bullshiting?

I thought Rey arrived during the day and left that same night

He's not, that's exactly what happens. Except it wasn't Leia's proposal - she actually opposed cutting the military because she was afraid the Empire Remnants would regroup and become a threat (which they did obviously)

The other Senators viewed Leia as a "warmonger" and went ahead with reducing their military by 90%

And on top of that, the remaining 10% was all stationed around the 5 planets that get blown up in TFA

That’s what the Prequel Trilogy was about, even having it by half the galaxy on one side vs the half on the other side was what the Separtist plot was about.

The best thing would’ve been to not bring the political aspect into play at all and have it be just intimate Jedi v Sith. One somewhat respected religious order pursuing their mysterious evil counterpart through the shadows of the galaxy

Man that force bonding shit was so transparent.

>Oh fuck we just paired our wooden plank of a protagonist with a much better, more likeable character.
>Okay, we'll rewrite Luke into a nonsensical hermit.
>Fuck, we only have Rey and Kylo together for like five minutes at the end.
>lol force skype sessions

lololol

it's built on a planet

Yeah i always wondered about that, it's like if neo nazis showed up with a nimitz class aircraft carrier and an entire modern army

They were being funded secretly by people who wanted the Empire to return.

also the First Order is much, much smaller than the Empire at its peak (which had something like 25,000 fucking star destroyers)

FO isn't even 1/100th the size of peak empire. Where they screwed up was having Rey say that "the First Order will control all the major systems in a matter of weeks".

Worst of all is that they could have just taken the Star Forge from the old EU and say the first order found it. There's your infinite factory.

Too bad they completely failed to flesh out anything about the First Order in the movies. Could have mentioned somewhere how they're subverting other planets and local governments through infiltration, strong arming and buying out, getting hidden allies everywhere throwing money, men and material at the First Order. But no, it's all magic.

Palps could have spun it as a rogue asteroid collision or a rebel terrorist hyperspace ramming

>Disney Star Wars revives EU concept for Ep. 9.
>It's the Sun Crusher.

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This is what pisses me off about it. The sequels insist on riding the cock of nostalgia and the use of coherent plot points are a complete afterthought. If they're going to be that lazy, why not pull inspiration from the EU? It has plenty of viable options to make this shit seem possible but instead we're just told to deal with it.

Fuck the director and writers.

They went too far with the "no politics" thing. Even New Hope had the bare minimum of telling you how the Empire was pulling this shit off. Fear will keep the local systems in line etc.

There was some cut scenes from TFA that would have set up the New Republic, its relationship to the Resistance, and things like that but that would have been "too much like the prequels"

As another user said wisely a few days ago:
>They went so far in avoiding the prequels that they even ignored some shit the OT did well

This is literally what they do, it’s a whole culture that’s cropped up from getting too far up your own ass

I started noticing it on that Kevin Smith show where he and the black guy would be like: “Yeah, like NOBODY is going to see BRAND NAME it’s BRAND NAME for crying out loud! I’m sure COMPANY cares about what 20,000 fans think. They’ll just cry into their money about it.”

And that’s how you get where we are. That’s why they keep doing the remakes. You get these nepotism hires with no skill who aren’t creative or brace enough to think of an idea so they go: “Let’s remake Aladdin. It’s a guaranteed win, like people aren’t going to go see ALADDIN!”

I'm more annoyed that the incumbent government military is called "the Resistance".

They're not, though. The Resistance is Leia's own private army and officially unaffiliated with the New Republic.

they never tell you that, but that's how it is

No she spends three days there

But they're not a government military. They're a rogue fleet set up by Leia to fight the First Order when the real government wouldn't do anything about it.

That's a big oversight then, especially when the central conflict of the movie is on a timer.

I guess you could say there was a short time gap between when she left to find Luke and when the FO shows up, but they don't frame it that way. And like you or that other user pointed out, her skype-force sessions with Kylo take place concurrently.

I guess they just figured nobody would notice. I always thought it took a few days to weeks to get halfway across the galaxy but that shit seems to have gone right out the window. Finn and Rose go all the way to Canto Bight and back in what, 4 hours?

Why didn't they just hyperspace ram it. Apparently an old outdated hunk of junk like the Falcon can pierce through shields this whole time. A simple ram anywhere would render it inoperable. They honestly just sat around letting the empire build this super weapon this whole fucking time?

Maybe 1 day on Luke's planet last only a few hours.

It just happened to be in the same solar system as the Senate. Which no one thought of exploring before.

>they never tell you that, but that's how it is
yes they do

So they just take naps all the fucking time?

It wasn't in the same system as the Senate. It was half the galaxy away in the uncharted systems.

The beam it shoots travelled through hyperspace and was for some reason visible across the entire galaxy. I'm not joking, that is the canon explanation.

I don't remember them ever stating that the Resistance is Leia's group and not affiliated with the New Republic. Nothing like that is ever said.

What makes this stupider is they simply let several ships run out of gas and be destroyed before doing this with the cruiser.
Any of those other ships should have done the ram first before simply allowing themselves to be shot down on empty.

this made me realize that so far every single planet in Star Wars has a consistently earth-like day/night cycle AND the exact same gravity

jewish usury. popcorn flick.

>I don't remember them ever stating that the Resistance is Leia's group and not affiliated with the New Republic. Nothing like that is ever said.
they say that word for word in the first movie and even further say all the core republic worlds dont give a shit because at the end of they day they are still the government even after the empire fell. in the 2nd movie its elaborated on further during the casino scene where its revealed some big powerful corporations are selling spaceships to both sides so they want the war to continue

>they say that word for word in the first movie
Show me the quote. I really do not recall this.

And the bit about weapons dealers selling to both sides doesn't say anything about the relationship between Resistance and New Republic.

Star Wars always had some unexplained gravity technology since space ships have artificial gravity, so it makes sense to keep everything at 1G because human-like species start to fuck up during development any higher or lower

the ''Republic'' really was a equivalent of what if the UN ran everything, so it's expected to be dogshit. How the rebels expected to sort everything out after taking out a fraction of the resources + the emperor would've make for a better plot than what they eventually came up with.

Star Wars taught me that, on a galactic scale, Autocracy is best.

The Twi'lek homeworld was tidally locked with no day/night cycle, though I think that got retconned out.

why are they even called the resistance? who are they resisting? Obviously the republic is okay with their existence, they probably don't agree with militarization, but it's not like the republic is actively hunting down the resistance.

They are resisting the First Order because the official government won't do it.

A tidally locked planet is mostly uninhabitable. And would probably have extreme weather in the twilight regions where you don't get cooked or frozen.

Why doesn't the new republic have any army? Even if the remnants of the empire signed some sort of treaty you'd want some kind of protection in case they didn't honor it. How does this republic even enforce their own legislation without any power backing it up.

>official government is a bunch of cucked individuals with women in power that try appeasing to the first order rather than going after them
>resistance is formed but it is soon taken over by women who proceed to cuck the men and culminate into dumb women in charge getting them all killed with only enough people to fill the millenium falcon

I think they just went back to the way the Old Republic did it. Remember, they didn't have a standing army either until the Clone Wars.

Security was the responsibility of the individual planet governments, like Naboo with their "security volunteers"

Its really dumb when one of the old Republic's errors was not having their own army when the Seperatists showed up, so they made do with the suspiciously convenient clones.

And the old Republic at least had the Jedi Order for peace keeping, New Republic has squat.

>you and i both know what he meant
There was a very interesting study done showing the moral blindspots of the liberal mind. Look at the above user, how he claims to be able to read the mind of other posters, reading genocide and hatred in the hearts of others. If only we had such psychics in the ranks of the police and ambassadory of the U.N.!
>we tested how well liberals and conservatives could understand each other. We asked more than two thousand American visitors to fill out the Moral Foundations Qyestionnaire
>One-third of the time they were asked to fill it out normally, answering as themselves. One-third of the time they were asked to fill it out as they think a “typical liberal” would respond. One-third of the time they were asked to fill it out as a “typical conservative” would respond.
>This design allowed us to examine the stereotypes that each side held about the other. More important, it allowed us to assess how accurate they were by comparing people’s expectations about “typical” partisans to the actual responses from partisans on the left and the right)’
>Who was best able to pretend to be the other?

>The results were clear and consistent. Moderates and conservatives were most accurate in their predictions, whether they were pretending to be liberals or conservatives.
>Liberals were the least accurate,
>especially those who described themselves as “very liberal.”
>The biggest errors in the whole study came when liberals answered the Care and Fairness questions while pretending to be conservatives.
> When faced with questions such as “One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal” or ”Justice is the most important requirement for a society,” liberals assumed that conservatives would disagree
>If you have a moral matrix built primarily on intuitions about care and fairness (as equality), and you listen to the Reagan [i.e., conservative] narrative, what else could you think? Reagan seems completely unconcerned about the welfare of drug addicts, poor people, and gay people.
>If you don’t see that Reagan is pursuing positive values of Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity, you almost have to conclude that Republicans see no positive value in Care and Fairness.
Tldr; liberals are mental midgets, unable to grasp the real views of anyone who disagrees with them. They literally cannot conceive of a world where people don’t watch Stephen Colbert and so have to conclude that anyone who disagrees with them is literally Hilter.

PRAISE KEK SHADILAY BROTHER BASED TRUMP BASED KEKISTANI

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I spent 4 hours on this today, did I manage to improve the trailer?

youtube.com/watch?v=c0006AIHvto

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And here we have exhibit B

Is the average IQ in star wars galaxy 85 or something?

probably lower depending what species you include

did literally no one look at my trailer? dammit

And the prequels sucked, too.

IRA were a bunch of butthurt fags. North Ireland didn't want to break away. Deal with it.

Now this is all dumb as shit but it's still an explanation for why the galaxy was in the state it was. Why the fuck couldn't they put some of this in the movies?

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lol more jar jar though, like when there standing around he just be there aswell when they were hugging jar jars head around the corner nearly there though, potential

thanks man

i cant fking believe it though, my second you tube video, after 6 months and I have ZERO likes and 2 DISLIKES

LIKE WTF

2 DISLIKES someone when to the effort of disliking something that took me 4 hours dammit

Because they didn't build it.

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Probably people that saw you post it here and then your subsequent posts whining about it. Quit being an annoying bitch.

Starkiller being an ancient relic could dovetail nicely with Snoke being a sith holocron

Politics were verboten as part of the "avoid the prequels" policy

If that's true, then they could have wrote an explanation for the New Republic being vulnerable to the first order that didn't involve space politics.

@all have sex

Then they should have picked a more personal and intimate setting and story instead of going all out space war again. It's like signing up for a marathon with a running not allowed policy.

You volunteering?

No argument here. I think they should have made the small size of the First Order and actual plot point - have them be a more decentralized, guerilla type organization that has slowly embedded itself in positions of power. Have them be the ones doing hit-and-run attacks. Biological warfare, that kind of thing.

You can still have your small-scale Resistance fighting them. Just say that the New Republic's military isn't suited to fighting this kind of threat, and most of them don't take it as seriously as they should. Leia does take it seriously though and tries to fight them with her own small faction, because she knows how easily it could snowball into Empire 2.0 if left unchecked - and more specifically how dangerous even a single Dark Side user can be.

It's like there was never a moment of reflection on the script and if it works with what they were trying to do. Just a room full of nodding people afraid of offending someone with criticism. Must have been a right nightmare to work there.

Thanos created more resources.

I think they live in caves and shit in the twilight part

There was probably very little room to maneuver below the mandate of "We want it to feel like New Hope"

Gotta have big empire, small rebels.

are you a cute girl?

it would have been better if this was some ancient weapon from millions of years ago discovered by the first order

Autism

>they put Rakata Prime on the map in the TFA artbook
>no Rakata, their artifacts, nothing
like, why? they knew what they were doing teasing that Rakata Prime is a real planet in their nucanon. It was KOTOR fan bait and they didn't do nothing with it.

>fan bait
Exactly this and nothing more. Whatever it needs to make you part with sovereignty over your wallet.

Honestly the scope of the First Order is really poorly explained. Theres implications it's some fringe faction, and that it's considered a nuisance by both the imperial remnant and republic, but neither want to commit the resources to it. Others things seem to say that the First Order effectively control the former empire and the republic is a tiny little slither.

Should have started only with Kylo and the Knights of Ren only with implications who he's working for. The knights would make a great excuse for shock troopers hunting the protagonists for reasons.

They had every opportunity to mkae something good and they fucked up every single one of them.

That was a JJ thing, so it's possible it could be one of the planets in IX. They are going to the uncharted regions, or the Knights of Ren are coming back from there I'm not sure.

One of the more egregious wasted opportunities is that they had Fischer, Hamill, and Ford all alive and willing to do the movies but never went for the reunion scene.

It's not like RJ or Fischer's death screwed this up - it was never planned at all. Han was always going to die before Luke was back in the story. They never even planned for it.

So KOTOR

It's like they always planned to kill off every single one of them.

It's a cynical ass thing, it really feels like Disney were trying to erase the past and force people to embrace their new era, i'm surprised Rebels and Rogue One got made.

Sure, maybe, but they could have at least had them all meet again before they iced them.

Also conflicting reports that Leia actually survives IX.

>"let the past die. kill it if you have to."

Pity she didn't survive DCCXLVII

I'm 100% sure they filmed B-roll footage they could use for IX and will use some impersonator to ADR some lines on top of Kung Pow'ing her into scenes using scraps of footage from TFA and TLJ into a weird Plan 9 monstrosity.

This actually makes me want to see it now.

Allegedly they shot a ton of IX stuff with Fisher before she died, so they probably have all the footage they need anyway.

More implication that they actually had her killed because she was blabbing too much.

What, some steward slipped a pill into her drink to stop her heart and they paid off the coroner?

Thats reaching a bit far, even for the mouse.

>this opinion got quints

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I know right, how dare they not jack off the fans in every possible way

SNEEEEEEEEDDDDD

That's all TFA did anyway so why not.

Also how would they deal with the magma core

Jews

it could be geologically dead
also star wars has never really addressed these kinds of things

It's a snow planet, not a magma planet.

This shit looks more like a bastard between a WW 1 Tanks and the typical Warhammer 40K Autism.

First Order going full Pearl harbour but this time the Carriers are in port

the planet was the ice planet the jedi got the saber crystas from

That Crap is beyond Star Wars, its something for a Type III civilization on the Kardashev scale

>They explain it in books
Explain in the movie, asshole

Damn asians all look the same

Yeah you don't want to play the fringe cringe game.

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>some user on an Indonesian shrimp farming forum has better ideas than the best of what Hollywood has to offer

Daily reminder that JJ is an absolute hack.

paranoia

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>keep blindlessly consuming the cultural hegemony sold to you by bureaucratic investors with nothing but corporate interests
lol this word salad. You've gone mental.

first order found the star forge duh

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>republic

i think you mean the small rebel unit called "resistance" :)

They stole George's notes. This was supposed to be the Republic's superweapon to destroy the Resistance (now called the First Order).

>Even New Hope had the bare minimum of telling you how the Empire was pulling this shit off
The original trilogy had the benefit of being the starting point and not a continuation. What was mostly important in the OT is that the Empire is established as the dominant force in the galaxy and Rebels are under-dogs.

>blindlessly

That's a new level of stupid.

That's definitely the biggest problem with the new trilogy.
>OT follows a scrappy band of guerillas as it overthrows the government and, in turn, becomes the new galactic super power
>"What do we do now? We could explore how every revolutionary force becomes a conservative force and show the former-rebels dealing with corruption, greed, and personal ambitions that undermine the values they once fought for, ending in the beloved freedom fighters becoming a new generation of tyrants and in thus laying the groundwork for a new rebellion."
>"Nah that's too big brain and interesting. Just have Leia lead a small rebel group, despite the fact she's part of the giant galactic government, and make the small surviving faction of Empire loyalists find free money and technology in an uncharted part of the galaxy."
>"Okay but the New Republic would still be way more powerful than the First Order even if they found free space money, so wouldn't they just intervene?"
>"Lol just don't put that in the script. Make it all about Leia and pretend the rest of the Republic doesn't exist."
>"That's retarded and besides, how are we going to have time to explain all that?"
>"We won't. Just stick all that back story in some promotional material after the movie comes out lol."

I’m not quite sure if I agree with the guy or not, but that sentence definitely has clear meaning and proper structure. You probably read about word salad in your intro psych class, but you clearly don’t actually know what word salad means

wouldn't gravity cause the planet to collapse or something if that much was carved out of it?!

>blindlessly
>bureaucratic investors
"Cultural hegemony" and "corporate interests" out of nowhere in the context of what he's talking about. It's pretty obvious he just made some vague accusation claiming the other guy was subservient to an unseen power and stitched it together in a pointlessly verbose manner.

The whole planet is supposed to be hollow. That's where the star gets sucked in to create the lol-matter that makes the hyperspace lol-beam.

>The whole planet is supposed to be hollow
what the absolute fuck

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The New Republic is what happens if you let lefties hippies that think nukes, military and police are baaaaad take power. Don't laugh, because it will happen someday.

Well, when you let a dude with totally-not-evil-space-wizard scars and a black cape declaring the end of democracy and outright establishing an empire, yes, yes, the average IQ is sub 85.

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