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So Discovery is doing the Borg now. They've stopped pissing in our mouths and they're just going to start squeezing out logs for us to gobble up.

Let's check in with Starfleet IT!

>us
Maybe if you stopped watching and shilling it so hard it would go away.

>Sisko doesn't die?
>This is wrinkling my brain

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That show is so fucking bad and yet i can't stop watching it.. HELP

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Joke's on you, I haven't watched any of it.

she's one of the few things that keeps me going at the moment

What would benny Russell universe garak have been like?

Next time you get the urge to watch it, insert a screwdriver into your urethra. Watch an entire episode while twisting the screwdriver back and forth. Repeat until you can't separate the weird, nauseating pain from the idea of watching Discovery again.

An actual tailor and deep in the closet

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Michelle Yeoh is completely wasted on this show. She's not the only one (Isaacs, the guy playing Pike, some "important bridge crew", whoever the fuck is playing the dyke engineer) and I don't understand why Kurtzman keeps jerking himself off to whatsherface Michael Sue so much when she (and Tilly desu) is the weakest part of the show.

Have no clue who this guy is but I feel like I'd have to be 50+ to know.

>Michelle Yeoh is completely wasted on this show
That's because STD itself is a complete waste (and not actual Star Trek).

Dyke engineer doesn't have enough material to be a regular. Should be sparse. Also mike and tilly might be usable if they weren't the entire focus of the show. The entire concept of main-character-trek is the failure.

I want to be mad about this statement but you're kinda right. You might recognize the lynd's voice though.

>whatsherface Michael Sue
I had to skip some of her "emotional scenes" in the latest episode (and a few other cheesy ones), I just couldn't stand it anymore

Paul lynde was in the closet?

Liberace was in the closet, they were different times.

Liberace being gay is like the Richard Gear rumour...unfounded and slander.

If anons are allowed to ask about STD I can ask about DS9 no bully my contents shaka brah

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link?

No they're not, retard.

>muh gimmicks
Fuck off, attention whore

I had a dream a few nights ago that I was on a star ship in the Trek universe, and a Vulcan girl wanted to fuck me. She said that I was the only logical choice, but after kissing for a little bit Odo ran into my room. Except it wasn't really Odo, it was like some weird combination of regular Odo, fucked up Odo (when Garak tortured him), and Curzon Odo. He told us that the Dominion was invading. I said they already got beaten, and he told me, precisely, "Not in this timeline!" Then I woke up.

Not a very interesting story, but I wish I was artistic enough to draw what that Odo looked like. It was really wild.

VF I want to do things to your anus

Big Daddy Vee doesn't have an anus. (S/He) is a species and gender of one. A perfectly evolved hyperorganism that scours the galaxy for novelty and fusion restaurants.

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tell me more about the Vulcan girl
you should look into dream symbolism because your brain is showing you some hella gnarly signs yo

lmfao you just miss creeping on BF

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I'm not ready for Pike to be gone, bros

Amelia Earhart looks like my Great Uncle.

Rick "Double D's or Get Lost, Please" Berman

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Pike's been gone since TOS. What are you talking about, dubsman?

>hehe look mom I shitposted again, they'll find me funny this time won't they mom?

Computer, analyze the contents of Deanna Trois rectum.
> Analysis completed.
Fill my mouth with it!

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Telling people who shill for inherently off-topic shows to fuck off is not "shitposting". It's defending actual Star Trek.

I'm thinking there should be protocols to stop this kind of thing.

Facial structure wise she is sort of similar to that picture of yours (high cheek bones, angled and such), except her hair wasn't the classic Vulcan bowlcut/bangs sort of situation. If you took the hair of that girl in your picture, cut the bangs, put her hair behind her ears, and made it a bit longer that was close to her her face.

She had medium sized tits, but her ass was pretty big (especially for Vulcan/Trek standards). I think she was a medical officer.

Bruhs, just matched with a chick who looks sort of like a young Jeri Ryan.

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>Mom? Moooooom!

The latest episode solidified it was bad for me.

send me off to a foreign laaa-aaaand
to go and kill - a yellow maaaaan

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>Regina
>30 year old
how old are you man?

This reminds me of the ending to "Back to the Future"

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You're face blind

Why did you meme mark the name Regina? What's so bad about that name?

And you're a jealous loser.

They look nothing alike, you faceblind creep.

You'll be alone forever with your anger and resentment.

this strategy will never work, STD shill. You position is untenable on a basic level.

>waah you aren't faceblind like me you'll be forever alooone
Nice retard post

I'm not faceblind. But you're definitely jealous. And oh so alone. Boo hoo.

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lol.

Please don't mention the Jeri Ryan thing to her until at least the third date, promise us that.

saw my brother at khe saaaa-aaaaanh
he held a woman in her aaaaa-aaaarms

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>says the incel scouring tinder and comparing random women to his star trek crushes

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Elvis!

BAWWWWWN INNA YOU ESS AYYYY, I WAS BAWWWWN INNA YOU ESS AYYY, IMMA BAWWWWN INNA YOU ESS AYYY NAW

>compares me to Neelix
Shit, nigga, I'm in good company!

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just a slip, went on to type the whole line and splitted it.
Name is fine. Also the girl for a 30 year old is fine too. Still be fucking careful, 30 years old and still fucking around on tinder, she probably is high maintenance. Hit and run material.

She looks 22-24ish but we'll see. I'm not on Tinder for anything long term that's for sure.

I never compared you to Neelix, you have brain problems.

>implying he'll even get a first date

>She looks 22-24ish

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Then don't post a picture of Voyager's best character. At least stay on topic.

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Is this poster just pretending to be retarded?

>the time that Voyager made up some crew member on the spot, who we're supposed to feel bad that she died, and who was Harry's gf, but we literally never saw her before

their still there
he's all gooooooo-ooooone

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Time for holodeck and chill, La Forge!

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>Own - The - Day!

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I sincerely enjoy the suffering of Harry Kim, she wasn't that bad for the purpose.

carpe diem!

that sounds pretty rad!

lmfao star trek

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Harold Kim, aka Wary Harry, was everyone's punching bag and straight up didn't deserve it.
He was a good crewmember, a little green around the edges but it rubbed off fast and he deserved to make Lieutenant by the end of the show.
Fuck Janeway, cold hearted bitch.

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He was VOY's O'Brien but he didn't get a Keiko to truly break his spirit.

When they were all crying about Michael preparing to get stuck in the future forever, did they forget the conversation they had literally 10 minutes ago where they said Michael was in the future going to be the Red Angel, meaning they already knew she'd figure a way back in time?

Also, why didn't they just do another 50 thousand lightyear spore jump like they did earlier in this season? Then they'd have all the time they need instead of being under a ticking death clock? And if they wanted to contact Starfleet for reinforcements but were being blocked, couldn't they just jump to Earth and be guarded by hundreds of Starfleet ships? Or literally a million other possible options besides sitting in space and waiting for the enemy to reach them? It's almost like having a ship that can teleport instantly anywhere across the universe is a completely broken idea and the writers have completely failed to grasp the implications it has on the story.

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Janeway coulda really used that Spore Drive.

>Michael
Dorn? Who the fuck are you talking about?

>did they forget the conversation they had literally 10 minutes ago where they said Michael was in the future going to be the Red Angel, meaning they already knew she'd figure a way back in time?

The Burnham Red Angel just set a bunch of signals, it never actually made it back.

Also the rest of that post is pure Cinemasins brainworms. They didn't do a thing that would instantly solve the entire story in two minutes because there's literally nothing interesting about that.

Cancel your CBS sub. Start watching TOS and TNG episodes whenever you need your ST fix. The urge to watch STD will pass.

>redditors defend the DS9 tribbles episode because due WACKY and I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW THE TRIBBLES
and they have the guts to criticize STD

Reminder that Gene Roddenberry had one good general idea that much more talented people than him actually implemented well, and stuff that he had direct control of was complete shit, and also he had the Lucas-esque fraud habit of constantly changing his mind and making shit up but then claiming it was all part of a grand original vision.

A one off gimmick is just that, a gimmick that can be quickly forgotten. Making a whole series on gimmicks or crap is just poor planning.

>bawww he was a visionary and a true auteur! I want things made by committees and soulless experts
Enjoy Discovery

Not sure what that has to do with Discovery.

Wasn't lucas-esque, he was just a severe alcoholic at that point.

are you serious? DS9 was autistically true to the source material and tone of the original - almost to a fault. STD on the other hand completely fails to show any reverence for the source material, in favor of literal reddit-tier shallow references "remember ___?" -tier worldbuilding.
>omg Tribbles
>omg Fasers
>omg Spack

Your weak criticisms will find no purchase in this actual Star Trek thread, STD shill.

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>a gimmick that can be quickly forgotten
Then why is it one of the more popular episodes?

So Future Janeway was unquestionably a villain right? She massively interfered with the past and altered the timeline which is we're always told is a big no no. And it wasn't to undo some horrible event in history, or even to save all of Voyager, it was just specifically because she was sad 2 of her friends died and 1 got space dementia. All the other deaths of Voyager though, like poor Lt. Carry or Hogan or even Harry's suddenly appearing girlfriend mentioned in this thread got to stay in history.

Still a more responsible use of time travel though than Sisko allowing Kira to travel to the past to find out if Dukat fucked her mom

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because DUDE TRIBBLES! I REMEMBER THESE THINGS!

>When they were all crying about Michael preparing to get stuck in the future forever, did they forget the conversation they had literally 10 minutes ago where they said Michael was in the future going to be the Red Angel, meaning they already knew she'd figure a way back in time?
Presumably the time crystal will stay intact long enough for her to send back the signs.

>Also, why didn't they just do another 50 thousand lightyear spore jump like they did earlier in this season? Then they'd have all the time they need instead of being under a ticking death clock?
Because Pike wants to follow the Red Angel's signs.

>And if they wanted to contact Starfleet for reinforcements but were being blocked, couldn't they just jump to Earth and be guarded by hundreds of Starfleet ships? Or literally a million other possible options besides sitting in space and waiting for the enemy to reach them?
Too dangerous for Earth, plus the spore drive is still black ops.

Every alternate timeline Janeway became a supervillain. Even prime timeline janeway was a villain half the time.

Yes.

Funny how the time police didnt stop her that time.

And she was portrayed as someone who did something wrong.
Meanwhile DS9 just did the usual "lol we are humans and we are bad! fuck everything" attitude of abusing everything you can for your personal gain. Truly Star Trek.

>DS9 was autistically true to the source material and tone of the original

The episode where Sisko nerve gassed a breakaway Federation civilian colony because he was having a temper tantrum at a Starfleet defector was pure Star Trek, I agree. Gene would have loved it.

>DS9 was autistically true to the source material and tone of the original - almost to a fault.
Latinum.

It was a very Kirk thing to do.

>It's a "Kirk was a crazy renegade" spouting zoomer who never actually watched TOS

Kirk was by far the most by the book captain portrayed on any of the shows.

Because it didn't overstay its welcome. If they had done a season on it, it would've burned out. Now don't get me wrong, Star Trek has just as many moron fans as any other franchise, they aren't immune to the REMEMBER THIS stuff. But the creative staff had the sense to do one tribble episode and move on.

every single story with Harry Kim was boring unless you could see his spirit break. But I love how the writers hated him.

>dyke engineer
Tig Notaro, and yeah, she's great.

she's an annoying smart ass little prick that needs to have her teeth kicked in

>Kirk was by far the most by the book captain portrayed on any of the shows.
not in the movies

nice attempt at moving the goalposts, but there is a difference between bad/flawed Star Trek and objectively not Star Trek at all. DS9, VOY, and ENT were all trapped by "let's be different" because they were run by boomers and the shows suffered because of it. But they didn't fundamentally despise and eschew the source material the way the STD writers do. They just thought Gene's ideas about conflict were a bit too simplistic and idealistic to the point of making the writers jobs overly-difficult.

we were talking about a single episode of DS9, not the series itself, which no one but mallfags defend as true to Gene's ideals. You fags are literally saying because DS9 tried to be different in a few non-worldbreaking ways it means any future show has absolute license to throw out / change whatever they want, to the point that the end product is barely recognizable, as is the case with STD. You're arguing in bad faith and you know it. But, that's what shills do.

Reminder that what Kirk does in Star Trek 3 is less extreme than what Spock did in the Menagerie, but for some reason everyone treats Kirk as a loose cannon because of that.

>Because it didn't overstay its welcome
How can a one-off episode "overstay its welcome", Youtube critic? One that, literally, reuses past footage? Are you this fucking stupid?

Wrong.

she's a professional comedian, being a smart-ass is kind of her thing, dipshit

no, you

WHO LAUGHED

>it's okay for DS9 and ENT to rewrite everything about Trek but god forbids a show with a black woman does it!

i'm a loooooong gone daddy in the - federaaaaatiooonn

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how did they rewrite?

Reminder that Kirk found Spock guilty in the menagerie. If it was DS9 they would have looked at the camera while holding a glass and said something like "I can take it!" and just hand wave everything.

me. i hate on garbage female comedians all the time like hannah gadsby and amy schumer, but tig notaro is one of the good ones. get your head out of your ass.

Literally all of STD, including season 1, has been about upholding Star Trek's ideals and it's source material in the face of adversity.

On an objectively factual level, not even something you can debate. It's not subtext, it's the actual text.

uh huh

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Do we have any screencaps of these S31 borgs?

There will be a future where quantum computing mixed with artificial intelligence mixed with holographic technology will be able to create a simulation where prime Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew have aggressive lesbian sex with full on tribbing and we'll be able to even participate in the activities if we're so inclined.

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That's literally the opposite of what I posted, so go back and read the post. DS9/VOY didn't "rewrite everything". They were faithful to the source material and only chose to explore a few different premises and tried to do tweaks on some of The Great Bird's more idealistic points like "no money" and "no conflict". These do no fundamentally violate canon nor do they break the storyworld, but they were rightly criticised as being outside of Gene's vision for how the Star Trek universe should operate.

Your "show with a black woman" in the inverse. It's an entirely different, generic sci-fi show with a sprinkling of Trek lore, names, and iconography here and there. There is absolutely no comparison between DS9/VOY/ENT and STD. The former is actual authentic Star Trek (although flawed) and the latter is not nor will it ever be no matter how many memebait characters they shoehorn in, so keep SEETHING.

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why even argue with STDfags? You're only giving them your precious energy

i'm still on qo'nos
in my miii-hiiii-iiiind
-----
every summer
when it rains
i smell the blood wine
i hear the planes
i can't tell no one i feel ashamed
afraid some day i'll - GO INSAAAAANE!!
*epic guitar riff*

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>TOS premise is that human have become better than what they were.
>DS9 totally disregard this, humans are as bad as Ferengi and the plot even tries to claim that the Federation is worse than the Borg.
>lol dude didn't rewrite anything!

VOY is Trek, ENT is Trek despite some missteps. DS9 is Babylon 5 and everyone with a ounce of honesty in their heart knows it.

He died the way he lived: high as a fucking kite.

>tfw rewatching the inner light
we don't deserve this kino...

literally me
420 blaze it

you are going to trigger all the TNG haters...I mean DS9 and ENT fans now.

>Early TNG had a Afternoon Special tier anti-drug commercial
>Everyone working on the show at the time was on 3 different types of drugs

80s hypocrisy was great

DS9 was a critique of enlightened humanity. Ubermensch cardassians and religious wars and augments and diplomacy-villain shit. It perfectly re-created the TOS dilemmas with a darker big picture outlook.

>DS9 is Babylon 5 and everyone with a ounce of honesty in their heart knows it.

It's not even B5, it's just a straight up lift of the backbone of what J. Michael Straczynski wrote in the early 90s, even before DS9 was in pre-production. This script and story was shopped with multiple production companies. Think of some similar situation with Einstein and the patent office. Take the Prophets/Pah-Wraiths with the Shadows and Vorlon. The Federation overseeing the Cardie station like the B5 station, both at the edge of wormhole/jump point.

It's so blatant. UGH! So bad.

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The US government gave out free money for doing anti-drug episodes. They also gave cops money for drug arrests leading to a fuckton of people being framed.

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do you mean the game where Wesley and his hot-ass girlfriend save the day?
that wasn't Early TNG, that was middle-TNG
are you talking about some other episode?

DS9 showed humanity was better than we were. Until we go to war.

cringe

It was the one where that one planet was supplying "medicine" to the other planet of space rednecks, probably.

No, I meant this oneThere's literally a scene where Tasha explains to Wesley why Drugs Are Bad And To Just Say No

>implying that The Game was a criticism of drugs and not your precious bling bling wahoos.
It's literally in the name of the ep, numbnuts

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Until Ira "Red Hot at Dukat" Behr poo'd the quality away.

Exactly you mouth breathing moron. You can't overstay if you only show up once.

>UGH!

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Just goes to show how great an idea JMS had. Imagine if B5 had the production budget and quality DS9 did.

Do we like TNG?

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>Do we
Stopped reading here and threw my mouse directly into the sink where snakes and other varmints reside. UGH!

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I like it. It's not like TNG doesn't have any bad episodes but it's got plenty of great ones too. Overall it's a good show.

I'm old enough to remember looking at a gossip rag in my grandparents kitchen a week after Michael Landon died from cancer. Miss you Grammy!

It's not bad, it's just not the best. It's got weird guest stars from the 80s whose careers went nowhere and nobody remembers. It has some weird shit but they try to retcon it instead of embracing it like VOY. It doesn't have that trying-way-too-hard feeling that ENT has that makes it sort of.... embarrassing but in the wholesome dad-joke kind of way that is comfortable. It's also not so completely foreign that its politics grate like TOS'.

After that it's just a matter of whether you like the gritty 90s antihero or not.

Highway to Heaven was a great show

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Damn! I haven't heard that show's name since probably 1996 when the last rerun went off the air and was replaced for Touched By An Angel.

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>It's also not so completely foreign that its politics grate like TOS'.

An exception being that TNG's prime directive stuff has aged EXTREMELY poorly

It's attempts to keep itself era neutral with things like music and culture are a pretty firm negative too.

The problem with DS9 is that it was the first step in a slope.
First we had that, now we have STD.

It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't patting themselves on the back about it. TOS pats itself on the back twice as hard but its so goofy nobody cares.

I for one am very glad for this.

true, actually. It was the first toe-hold into subversion. also ENT was still Star Trek, but a huge slide down that slippery slope as well.

DS9 was the edgy fanfiction teenagers like to write.
It was also so poorly done the audience didn't realize they weren't supposed to sympathize with the Cardassian

DS9 was true to trek. Only thing you can complain about is the Dominion War. And even that was great at showing how the utopia vision is flawed. Quark said it best when comparing humans who are well fed and safe vs those hungry and fearful in Siege of AR558

DS9 was just 2deep4u

They got across that the Cardassians were in the shit when they invaded Bajor well enough, people (rightly) just didn't care about that as much as the occupation and the six gorillion Bajorans who died because of it.

have sex

Wait, we know what VF looks like?

One of the first eps was Kira saying "we're the occupiers now" and Winn was always bitching about the federation being the new occupation and it was just so fucking tiresome. It's a shame dukat statistically improved everyone's lives and the bajorans were so hateful and pity-mongering they chopped their arms off after being vaccinated and shit, they should have been genocided instead of oppressed with health and civility.

MAKE ME (please)

>Just goes to show how great an idea JMS had. Imagine if B5 had the production budget and quality DS9 did.

B5 however was one of those cases where lack of resources made them them work twice as hard and improvise in ways that resulted in something superior - they might have had so little money that instead of finely crafted physical starship models they had to create ships in CG on a bunch of second hand Amigas, but they ended up creating engaging 3d dimensional space battles while Star Trek continued to have battle choreography that looked like it was static plastic toys hanging off strings, and it took an event episode to have more than two ships on screen at the same time.

Not to mention that when Trek finally got it's hands on CG animation it went full retard with it. God I cringe thinking back to Miranda's and Excelsiors being hit by torpedos in DS9 and wildly spinning away like they'd been hit by the fist of god and Starfleet itself becoming 100+ times bigger overnight.

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>It was also so poorly done the audience didn't realize they weren't supposed to sympathize with the Cardassian

This is true but not in the way you think it is.

Read interviews with Marc Alaimo then ones with Behr and the other show runnings, it's legitimately heart breaking. Behr is a fucking oaf.

No, I was describing the Vulcan who tried to fuck me in my dream before Odo and the Dominion cockblocked me.

Those words have no power here.

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Not a single word of what you said is false, but again, it's perfectly understandable that the audience would feel more sympathy for the space jews than the Cardassians. As whiny as they are the Cardies really did fuck them over, and we see that dicking while the problems on Cardassia that pushed their society in that direction in the first place are abstract, told not shown, and rarely even mentioned at all.

reminder that Geordi went to Risa multiple times so he had sex

Does anyone legitimately hate the Cardassians in DS9? I mean, in TNG they were completely one dimensional Romulan ripoffs and nothing more, but DS9 did a great job of fleshing them out and making them not only sympathetic but actively making the audience question whether the Cardassian occupation of Bajor was really that bad of a thing.

got any links? I'm curious now

>I mean, in TNG they were completely one dimensional Romulan ripoffs and nothing more
Except they weren't, as usual lies to make DS9 sound better.

It's really weird cause there were SO MANY evil/backstabbing/anti-federation/anti-kira/power-mongering bajoran factions and individuals and SO MANY "all spoonheads aren't like that" examples. They didn't have the Cardie captain of the week thing going on, like TNG had with its villains. There was basically ONE bad Cardassian and the rest were like refugees so they had to be accepted.

Literally the only fucking thing Cardassians do in TNG is kidnap people and torture them for information and then put on show trials that presume guilt, like Romulans.

Actually watch TNG instead of living off memes.

They also stole the whole "dangerous border patrol" concept the early TNG seasons had for Romulans and ran with it way way better. TNG started replacing romulan plots with cardassian ones, not DS9. They also added the whole treaty negotiation thing where picard had to do morally grey shit first too.

you know exactly the episode I'm talking about. Now you show me an episode where Cardassians show any amount of depth beyond this in TNG. Go ahead, I'll wait.

memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dukat#Background_information

A whole lot of it here. Pretty eye opening stuff.

The one about the space indians.

>picard had to do morally grey shit first too
So, the rot actually started in TNG?

He's right though? The Cardassians in TNG are alien-of-the-week level developed, they didn't get any depth until DS9 had more time to spend with them.

Oh, I was hoping they posted pics.

I don't know about the timelines, they had Ro way before DS9 existed though.

You'd watch it.

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>Make it so
fuck you.

>DS9 uniforms
Nope

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wew lad, respect lost for Ira Behr

>Behr is a fucking oaf.
and by "oaf" you mean clownish absurd Jew

What really gets to me about this is that everyone on the staff apparently realized that Dukat was a goldmine for a morally grey character except Ira Behr who set out to fucking sabotage everything that had been worked towards as hard as possible

>Not thinking of Dukat as a villain whatsoever, Alaimo considered the character more of an opportunist.
the absolute state of american's morality

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My favorite quote is one where Behr is like "Alaimo makes it sound like the character would be one dimensional and cartoonish without his input"

How does ones have so little self awareness?

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>being an opportunist
>not a trait of a villain or morally bankrupt person

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Data must have activated his flotation device

I'm seriously concerned by people who fall for Dukat's manipulation. Are you really so gullible? He's an egomaniac, he's manipulative and he's cold hearted. His M.O. is clear. He thinks Cardassians are biologically superior and that other races exist just to serve Cardassia. He's a fascist to the highest degree. He's vengeful. He's delusional. He actually believes his own lies despite his actions going against his claims of compassion and fairness. He's willing to kill or cheat anyone who stands against him. He desires to be worshiped but those he oppresses because "it's for their own good". He views Bajorans as children who need the grey man's guidance. He's an archetypical racist. He's multi-dimensional in the sense that his personality is complex and fleshed out, but his morality is not multifaceted. He's simply evil.

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I feel like Trek could have used more humans going rogue and breaking fed rules for those they care about or causes that were just. Maybe thats why I liked Enterprise as much as I did, Archer did some shitty things to keep Earth safe.

>There was a lot of interest, among the cast of DS9, about which character would kill Dukat in series finalé "What You Leave Behind". "Everyone wanted to kill Dukat," Ira Behr observed. Those actors who desperately wanted their own character to become Dukat's killer included Nana Visitor, though Behr was certain that he wanted Dukat to be killed specifically by Sisko. Dukat's fate was made very clear, with the Bajoran Fire Caves intended to represent Hell. "I think he belongs in hell," Behr declared. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, pp. 709 & 710)
The irony is so palpable it's suffocating

>Riker carrying Nicolas Cage across the threshold

Sup Ira Behr

If he's so evil then why did all the bajoran bitches want his dick?

that might be too complex for DS9 fans
they see surface level "depth" and stop thinking other than "omg I am so amazing for liking this"

>Riker carrying Nicolas Cage across the threshold
Perfect

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still, did nothing wrong

Season 6 of DS9 is my favorite season of any star trek. Federation at war was kino.

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good shit

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You're on the same website that says "Hitler did nothing wrong."
You're on the same website that says "Trump did nothing wrong."
Of course you're going to find people who say "Dukat did nothing wrong."

Well what about Damar?

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But all three of those statements are unironically true. Granted, bold lies perpetuated by the media make the first one the most difficult to grasp, but the second one is pretty obvious and the third is completely self-evident.

Why would you include Trump in that list? The rest are losers.

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He's so smart, but we're not allowed to see his grades.
He's so rich, but we're not allowed to see his tax returns.
He's so exonerated, but we're not allowed to see the report.

There's something fishy about this guy, I tell you what.

at least the others have some redeeming quality

The Enterprise C we deserved...

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What episode was this and why is this happening? It looks like he's about to reveal The Thing.

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Wait is VF gay or a girl? He/she is talking about finding a guy from work cute in thr discord. Its gay right?

Probably this one.

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Looks like a painting of the Ambassador class, what's supposed to be different?

You aren't wrong but...

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That whole episode was the epithome of the stupidity this show is.

>We cant destroy the Discovery because we just used two Torpedoes instead of Enterprise full weapon potential
>we are too stupid to simply bring some Torpedoes into the Engine room and detonate next next to the Warp core manually without the Sphere AI being able to do shit.
>although we can jump to anywhere in the Galaxy we stay near, giving Control enough time to reach us
>building a Time suit and some time crystal device can just be made under one hour
>the enterprise is now something like a Carrier with hundreds of Fighters who would never fit in that hangar
>Sarek and his Wife just come by out of nowhere to say goodbye instead of informing Starfleet about the shit that is going on
>lets introduce another Planet we never heard before but is mentioned as the most political important planet in the Federation
>lets go full Black panther with the 17 year old genius Queen
>fatty Tilly annoying as ever
>just dont move until the enemy ships surround us and just raise the shields after the come out of warp
>superior AI just makes a perfect circle around two enemy ships in a 3d environment

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It was supposed to be this...stupid budgets.

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I don't see a problem. That looks like a transition between Constitution Refit and Galaxy Class.

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Too many Excelsior influences, the Jeb Bush of Starfleet designs.

brainlet with youtube poisoning

I disagree. By getting Voyager home when and how she did, Janeway gave the Federation a massive edge over it's peers, especially while everyone was rebuilding from the Dominion War.
While everyone is recovering from hundreds of millions of casualties, thousands of lost ships, and an unstable political situation, Voyager is arriving with blueprints for functional transwarp technology (the quantum slipstream drive), weapons that can hold their own against the Borg, and the Borg themselves have been dealt a blow to the tune of a Unicomplex and one of their transwarp hubs (we don't know the full extent of the damage she did to them).

The quantum slipstream is the game changer. Voyager was able to cross 10 000 light years in a matter of hours with theirs, and while it had issues, that's with a drive that was built by a ship with a crew of 150 people and no external support. Utopia Planitia's going to have a line of slipstream-capable exploration vessels up and running in no time, at which point the Federation will be able to establish meaningful diplomatic relations with most of the species Janeway made first contact with. By getting Voyager home when she did, Future Janeway handed the Federation the 25th century, and the best part is that she can say she did it all for her friends and crew.

Dukat does bad things but doesn't think he's doing bad things. That makes him two-dimensional, and that means Dukat fans are plebs.

Damar does bad things, but he recognizes that they are bad and he uses them as motivation to change himself. That makes him three-dimensional, and that means Damar fans are patricians.

Thing is...Probert designed the Refit Ent, Ent C, and Ent D. That was always intended to be the design and was even on the observation wall. Money resulted in a nice but less sexy design.

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Exposing the Borg to anti-Borg technologies that haven't even been invented yet is actually not a good idea

That honestly looks a lot closer to Excelsior than being a mid point between Excelsior and Galaxy classes

Too bad we will never see a show that show us this outcome but instead we get more STD cancer

Meh I think its a better midpoint design sorry.

That said I do still like the screened version. I just like the planned version more.

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>Dukat does bad things but doesn't think he's doing bad things.
One sentence in and you're already wrong, lel

And luckily...you can own it.

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There has always been a tragic dearth of titcows in Star Trek.

Ira Behr is pretty rad and What We Left Behind looks like it might be kino. Anyone buy their tickets today?

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Not yet...but I shall. I just want to see this on the big screen.

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both the Probert design and canon suffer from the same problem in that they self-consciously try to bridge the gap with a design that is half-Celsie half-Galaxy when no prior eras had a problem with making a distinct statement. They should have gone with something unique, but still recognizable as Starfleet cruiser that hits all the right cues. That unique design would then be translate-able to other ships of that era so as to help orient the audience to a given time frame.

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Singlehandedly killed Star Trek

dude I love Star Wars and STD space battles

(cont). Doing a "hybrid" design is supposed to show an evolution, but just ends up being an ugly bastardization that from any given angle could be mistaken as "maybe Excelsior-era, maybe Galaxy-era". It doesn't help that the Galaxy was a -very- carefully drawn ship with lines that don't really lend themselves to kitbashing and other types of reworking. Both the Probert Ambassador and the canon model are ugly ships with the ship from Yesterday's Enterprise being slightly less ugly.

There are better fan designs out there, but literally everyone falls into this same trap.

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What are you waiting for?

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True, but you have to balance that against other benefits of getting Voyager home early: the loss of a transwarp hub, the loss of a unicomplex, and providing the Federation with data on transwarp technology and an overview of Delta Quadrant politics may be worth the trade off, especially if the Borg are set back and trying to recover from the virus she used on them.
What pissed me off about the slipstream is how Janeway mothballed it because it had issues in the episode Timeless, but then 10 episodes later in Dark Frontier she settles on the vastly more insane plan of stealing a transwarp coil from a Borg ship and trying to use that.

Berman didn't single-handedly kill Star Trek. He had help. Particularly, everyone who thought this zoom zoom pew pew dogfighting in space shit has anything to do with Star Trek.

Because that outcome is fucking boring. Warp drives were already fast enough that not even two whole quadrants of the galaxy were enough fodder for more than a single show (TNG). Every subsequent show needed another goddamn quadrant to be explored because the Enterprise already covered Alpha and Beta in their entirety. Quantum slipstream drives would essentially not just make galactic exploration so trivialized that one could cross the galaxy at its longest diameter in the matter of a week, they'd make the Federation so much more advanced than its peers that no power in the Alpha or Beta quadrants could even pretend to be its equal, even if they all united against the Federation. At this point you might as well do like the original drafts for TNG and just have everyone using transwarp transporters to go from planet to planet.
Oh, and let's not fucking forget that since we know the Federation survives to the 29th century thanks to Voyager, all possible tension is permanently gone. Thanks Voyager. Enterprise just further cemented the same issue with 31st century Federation bullshit. There's no excitement left in Star Trek as a franchise anymore. The entire galaxy has been explored and we've gone forward in time to see how the future is literally perfect. The writers overextended themselves, overplayed their hands, and managed to completely fuck up the setting. Nothing in Discovery matters. None of the shows matter anymore. It's all fucking pointless.

If you really wanna go that route than the worst offenders were the studio.

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considering how everything seemed fine in that Janeway's future she really didn't do much other than making sure Kim didn't get a promotion

>going to the theater alone

>Regal Thornton Place Stadium 14
Can't wait to meet you Vee Eff!

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As it should be.

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>going to a theater in America

ILM actually went to the opposite extreme, in that they produced two really stellar designs - Excelsior and Oberth (cute!), but neither design really agrees with the other. The ship in your pic is objectively shit because they fucked-up the aesthetic giving it this giant honking boat secondary hull, just so they could film a hull damage scene for that ill-begotten movie Generations, and then ended up fucking up the actual original model because their bolt-on parts got permanently glued.

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Who's going to be season 3's captain? Why is it Spock?

They could do a special where the crew of a slipstream prototype encounters the Tyranid Hive fleet closing in on the Milky Way while en route to another galaxy, but in the end figures they're far out enough that it's not an issue.

There is nothing wrong with Generations or the superior Enterprise-A variant Excelsior class.

That's what I was getting at...

Excelsior is fine...the B...meh

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After Threshold I think they might want to be extra careful, also voyager didn't actually have any science crew.

He was probably still filling out written authorizations by the time they got back the long way.

>Particularly, everyone who thought this zoom zoom pew pew dogfighting in space shit has anything to do with Star Trek.
Literally the best fucking episode in TOS is about a starship dogfight you fucking moron. Star Trek has always wanted to be big pew pew dogfighting in space since before it was a tickle in Gene Roddenberry's neurons, but the budget was never there for it until just recently.

The documentary portion will be both entertaining and educational.

The "season 8 roundtable" will be pure cringe.
>Captain Ezri, Captain Bashir and Captain Nog walk into a bar. They have a seat to discuss old time, when suddenly Captain Sisko walks in... Captain JAKE Sisko. And he has a plan to return to the wormhole and rescue his father!

>the superior Enterprise-A variant Excelsior class.
I dunno what this means. Is this an STD thing?

>submarine warfare is "dogfighting"
>ye olde naval broadsides are "dogfighting"
christ on a pony, the retards are coming out tonight...

Found the redditor.
TOS spaceship fight was a slow battle where every single shot mattered with actual strategy, it wasn't just FLY AROUND AND SHOOT PEW PEW LAZORS AT THE ENEMY FOR GREAT WIN!!!

Back to your videogames, faggot.

The Beta Quadrant isnt explored by the Federation and that advanced technology would be for sure be copied fast by other races.
And what tension about the Federation existing in the 29th or 31th century. Did you really believed they would ever go down a road were the Federation falls apart ?! You cant be that naive.

>After Threshold I think they might want to be extra careful,
Why? Nothing happened that wasn't worked out by the end of the episode. You also have to balance that against their willingness to risk being assimilated. I'd rather take the long way around if I know it means I don't get turned into a shambling techno-zombie.

I'm going to be wearing my Valley VF Forge shirt with the letters VF in the center of the chest so anyone from /trek/ will know it's me!

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>submarine warfare is "dogfighting"
>ye olde naval broadsides are "dogfighting"
It was neither of those things fucktard, otherwise they'd be in a submarine or in a galleon
>TOS spaceship fight was a slow battle where every single shot mattered with actual strategy, it wasn't just FLY AROUND AND SHOOT PEW PEW LAZORS AT THE ENEMY FOR GREAT WIN!!!
because their budget was shit and they couldn't do much at all with their existing starship props and effects. So to compensate they generated artificial tension with slow pans of the bridge, shots of the captain looking tense and concerned, shakycam and people pretending to be getting thrown around, and cheap ass pyrotechnics of bridge consoles blowing up like they were made by the lowest bidder, all leading to a generally sluggish battle that pretended to be intellectual and deep when actually it was just making stupid technobabble up back and forth until eventually the Enterprise technobabbled better than the other guy and won
>Back to your videogames, faggot.
go fuck yourself you stupid cunt, you know nothing about Star Trek

Do you actually read posts before you reply to them?

You're not being insightful when you say that the fights looked different, since you're replying to a post which already mentioned that the fights looked different (and explained why).

Eh...the submarine hunt aspect always was best.

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youtu.be/I8O_C7T5H_s

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>And what tension about the Federation existing in the 29th or 31th century. Did you really believed they would ever go down a road were the Federation falls apart ?!
They shouldn't have gone down that road at all and you know it. If they tell us that the Federation survives that long, then all tension is gone forever because we know that no threat from the Borg to the Undine actually matter and they'll all lose to the Federation.

>DUDE EVERYTHING BEFORE WAS WRONG!
>DS9 WAS RIGHT!!
Cringe, really there is no point in talking with you fanatics.

Janeway was completely insane about risking her ship & crew EXCEPT if it might help them get home faster. That was unacceptable risk.

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I'll be the large sweaty man screaming out your screen name and likely the only other person there. Let's split a popcorn!

>Undine
That's not their name. Videogames aren't canon.

It's that Razorfist cunt. He's a massive DS9fag.

Both Voyager and Enterprises future was from altered timelines that dont exist anymore. So why bitch about them

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The arrogance is astounding.
>DS9 is what they wanted to be from the start! I know this because I know everything!

That road was already when the first episode with time travel appeared. And come on you know that we will never see anything about the Federation being invaded and defeated or suffering from like Civil war.
Although it could be a good story line. Hell even a having second full scale war with the Dominion would work.

DS9 is guilty of many sins, but being the first series to have a major ship battle featured in it with actual shots of the ships flying around and shooting each other rather than purely internal bridge shots and people announcing everything that's happening is not a sin. It's something that was always desired even by Roddenberry himself, but was always squashed by pure lack of resources.

I'll be the guy waiting for you in the bathroom

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enjoy STD

It was still retarded that the ships blew up like Ballons and we never saw shields in action in these mass battles.

Yawn, this is slow! where is my fast paced shooting like JJ Trek and Star Wars? I don't have time for this!

>Janeway was completely insane about risking her ship & crew EXCEPT if it might help them get home faster. That was unacceptable risk.

Other people's ships and crews as well.

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Like fuck if I'm going to sit here and call them Species 8472 every time I need to bring them up.
>That road was already when the first episode with time travel appeared.
No it was not. Time travel was always common in Star Trek, but time travel from the future was always avoided for a good fucking reason.
>And come on you know that we will never see anything about the Federation being invaded and defeated or suffering from like Civil war.
Irrelevant. Meta knowledge and in-universe knowledge are two totally different things. We as audience know the Federation is not going to lose because then the series would be over, but the actual credible tension of a battle or war is lost if the writers literally state that the Federation cannot and will not ever lose in-universe by showing absolute proof that the Federation exists and flourishes well into the 31st century.

Phased polaron beams tear through shields like they aren't even there. This was covered in the Jem'hadar's first episode.

They could have done a better job with the special effects, but if you conflate special effects with the writing then your opinions belong in the trash.

The E-B alterations to the Excelsior just make it look fat and ungainly, and overdesigned when the original while having typical issues with some angles, was close to perfect.

The E-B just took away a bunch of it's good angles

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>they came up with a convenient excuse to have their epic star wars fight so it's okay!

They explained this 3 whole years before the battle which bothers you so much. If you weren't paying attention, that's on you, not them.

>boogeyman
>arrogance
Says the arrogant cunt who doesn't even read interviews. Every writer and director in TOS wanted to do big flashy starship battles, and they were all shot down by the producers and Roddenberry himself because that shit was so outside their budget that it wasn't even funny.
STD sucks for many reasons and the mindless dogfights are far from the most crucial. In fact they're one of the smaller issues.
I don't disagree about that. The execution was not great. However, that is separate from the claim that "big showy starship battles aren't Star Trek."

DONK!

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>and they were all shot down by the producers and Roddenberry himself
Because they knew best. Look, good on you if you like videogames battle, it means you have a lot to enjoy from the modern shows.

>Because they knew best.
Because they knew the budget and they knew they couldn't create more than one or two good-looking starship battle scenes with their funding.
>Look, good on you if you like videogames battle, it means you have a lot to enjoy from the modern shows.
I never said I preferred them to the older style of Trek battles. But you're fucking retarded if you think that the 'holy spirit of Star Trek' somehow excludes enormous flashy ship battles.

For those of you just joining us, Valley Forge was revealed as a resident of Seattle.

>more is better
this is how Trek died

At this point you're just putting words in my mouth. That's called strawmanning, and it is a logical fallacy that people who have run out of good arguments to make resort to, like you apparently.

>Phased polaron beams tear through shields like they aren't even there. This was covered in the Jem'hadar's first episode.

It was also nullified before total war broke out

They had to pull a "oh a minor background race joined the Dominion and also has unstoppable anti-Starfleet guns too" stunt to force more drama near the end of the series

>enjoy STD

This is hilarious. Want us to tell you how often Discovery does space battle stuff?

it's literally your argument
>they wanted to do it from the start so it's better
>it has a lot of flashy stuff going on so it's better

Why are you always stalking people? Stop being a creep.

for all of Babylon 5's cynicism, they never lost the belief humanity will win in the end. Even if it take a million year to get there.

ds9 started the era of scifi not believing in science with the prophet shit. They tried too hard to "subvert expectation". ds9 started the era that inevitably led to TLJ.

Literally who

>Notice me and my trip
>WAA NOT THAT MUCH

>It was also nullified before total war broke out
DS9 itself is the only one with shields that repel phased polaron beams. Because it's a fucking space station, and their shield generators are MASSIVE. Ships have smaller, weaker generators, so ships are still vulnerable.

>we finally got ships flying around
nice troll. i mean, this has to be a troll. r-right?

No, you stupid little fuck, what you're saying has nothing to do with my argument. Not once has the word 'better' been used in any of my posts. You're trying to pin up a strawman so you can beat it up like a useful punching bag. Sorry, not falling for it. Try a real argument or fuck off.

Pretty much this, we went from the "We can be better" of the previous Trek to the "we really can't be better fuck everything YOLO!" of DS9.

ENT did it better anyway and it made sense because it was a prequel.

And it was solved by Star Fleet before the War started. So it seems you are actually the one with the trash opinion.

Nice job taking words out of context. That's fallacy #2. Swing and a miss.

See

you clearly said that it's what they always wanted to do which implies it's better because it's "what they truly wanted" instead of something they had to accept.

Nice try inventing some bullshit idea that in no way is based on anything ever mentioned in the show.

Okay. Show me a ship that's immune to phased polaron beams.

The Federation could lose a war and still exist.

>ENT did it better anyway

except it was shit

dear doctor is the worst star trek episode ever.

a midnight in sickbay is just dumb.

makke new thred

>ds9 started the era of scifi not believing in science with the prophet shit. They tried too hard to "subvert expectation". ds9 started the era that inevitably led to TLJ.

lmao. You know that movies point was that believing DID matter, right? The dude who goes on about pissing on the past because it's worthless is the villain and the book burning scene involved no books being burnt because someone who cared took them away before it could happen

Oh god. Why are you people so stupid? And you're everywhere!

>you clearly said that it's what they always wanted to do
Yes
>which implies it's better because it's "what they truly wanted" instead of something they had to accept.
No
The argument was never about which way of presenting a starship battle was better. It was about whether the big flashy starship battle in DS9 that they blew nearly their whole budget on was or was not within the spirit of Star Trek. I've already said that the execution in DS9's big battle was bad and that the battles in STD aren't great either while praising a starship battle in TOS as the best the series has to offer. What sort of mental gymnastics do you have to be doing to think I am saying that the DS9/STD battles are better?

The Defiant

Looks like user is serving up hot shit

>user says they'll be at Regal Thornton Place Stadium 14
>my order confirmation says Theater 7
internet detective you are not brah

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Source?

mak the thred

The Defiant:

" In 2372, while on a diplomatic mission to negotiate a trade agreement between the Karemma and the Ferengi, the Defiant was for the first time capable of repelling enemy fire from Jem'Hadar fighters with its shields. "

fine, I accept your concession

Midnight's Edge

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memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phased_polaron_beam

Regal Thornton Place Stadium 14 is the name of the theater. The showing of WYLB is in auditorium 7.

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Wow, you really are pulling out every trick in the book for this one, huh?

guess you gotta buy a ticket and come thru to find out lmfao

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Okay, here's the script.

chakoteya.net/DS9/479.htm

What's the line of dialogue where they explain that the Defiant is immune to phased polaron beams?

>They didn't do a thing that would instantly solve the entire story in two minutes because there's literally nothing interesting about that.
If you can come up with numerous easy ways to resolve your plot without even having to think about it for more than ten seconds, you have a dumb plot.

Are you sure you didn't misread the text? Regal _______ Stadium 14 is very popular. I live in North Carolina and I'm trying to decide whether I want Regal Briar Creek Stadium 14 or Regal North Hills Stadium 14.

fucking writers never have even an iota of actual tactical thought.
also this episode was 60% shallow sappy bullshit of retards saying their goodbyes (hmm didnt they say the whole episode that hey can't use the subspace relays to communicate..hmmm) instead of rushing to complete their impossible task.

I feel like hollywood is just a circle of sjws sitting around in their comfy lil echo chamber giving (blow)jobs to each other and unaware of how low their IQ has become.

Also wtf do they keep spock in a beard? this is ryan (he doesnt deserve the i) johnson levels of subversion

There are no other showings that night in an Auditorium 7 in the country. Be sure to wear good socks!

The whole concept of Phased Polaron Beams was that they go through the Shields like they werent existing. And although not immune you can find this dialogue in the script:

" KIRA: I'm picking up two more ships.
(Who fire on the Defiant.)
WORF: Shields at sixty percent.
SISKO: Return fire! "

And in that memory alpha article you find a picture of the shields of the Defiant holding with a description:
" Deflector shields of the Defiant holding under phased polaron beam fire "

>literally who

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STDs version of her...

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Food for thought. Thank you and see you next thread.

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Don't post pictures of developmentally disabled people user

>(hmm didnt they say the whole episode that hey can't use the subspace relays to communicate..hmmm)

More that one person literally says "I hope you get this one day"

They weren't calling up people on the subspace phone. They were sending off goodbyes the old fashioned way

Did I miss an ep or something....because I have no idea where she came from.

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You are welcome. Have a nice day.

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A person there was literally an entire episode about. Hence the "Previously..." clip.

Watching things is hard for you, I guess!

WHICH EP? This makes no sense.

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Dont talk shit. That creature comes from " Short Treks ", a spin off with several mini episodes. So it was especially stupid to show her in the previously clip.

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Ah that explains she appeared out of the blue.

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Stop being a twat. It wasn't an actual ep.

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