When did he became the bad guy?

When did he became the bad guy?

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never

never

When he decided to make and sell illegal drugs.

When he flipped it

>drugs are evil
stop drinking coke then, faggot.

around when he made jesse kill the former partner

when he didn't abort his stupid crippled son.

Because he was the danger

I only drink water tho.

Coke hasn't had coke in it for a century, user.

when he killed mike, he was fine up to that point

but he poisoned the boy

Fpbp and spbp and /thread. Slave morality is not welcome on this board

S03E06

based autist

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Gale.

I think it was when he ran over the gang members and ordered jesse to kill gale

At that point he was officially in too deep and there was no escaping the hell to come

but he had no choise. It was either killing Gale or getting killed

You can make the case that his actions were always ones of self preservation. Everything he did was logical and to keep the operation going.

That said the question is when he became the bad guy. How does one define a bad guy? In my opinion thatd be killing an innocent man (aka Gale). Other people claim it is when Jane died and he chooses not to intervene. That one is more of a grey area in my opinion

Literally the only chance he had to save his skin. Gale knew he was playing a dangerous game as a meth cook, and in Walt’s shoes he would do the same thing

Season 5, when the writers needed him to become evil.

when he became a teacher, trying to indoctrinate you in the jewish arts.

actually he was an accessory to a crime by not reporting pinkman running away.

When he felt bad for the janitor he got fired.

He didn’t get Hugo fired, they had nothing on him except marijuana possession. He got himself fired

They wouldn't have fucked with him if it wasn't for Walt and tho it is illegal there isn't anything inherently wrong with marijuana consumption

it was a dick move because the janitor cleaned up walt's vomit and tried to give him some dignity

killing Mike for calling him a hothead

Caffeine is a drug user

I think we were supposed to dislike him when he worked with neo-Nazis.

>They wouldn't have fucked with him if it wasn't for Walt
And he wouldn’t have been fired if he didn’t have pot. Hugo did it to himself.
>isn’t anything inherently wrong
Breaking the law is inherently wrong.
See above

But if he didn’t go all the way would it even be a story worth telling?

This series' success is largely attributable to proto-virtue signaling that was taking place at the time. The show invites the obvious discussion of "so when did Walt become a bad guy?" which then caused normies and redditeers to clamor and trip over themselves trying to one up each other by declaring earlier and earlier that Walt was evil so that they could seem more moral than everyone else. This ultimately culminated with it being agreed upon that Walt was a bad guy from the start because he was a white male and all the bad shit he did he secretly fantasized about but never had the means or motive to follow through on it. He was always bad.

Letting Jane die.The massive disaster it caused alone is a telling.
You can argue she was a junkie who was going to waste the money with Jessie on drugs. But that was their choice to make not Walt’s, and Jane had gotten clean before and certainly didn’t desire to waste all the money nor did Jesse. Jane was even sleeping on her side until Walt knocked her over shaking Jesse, because he for some reason thought he could talk to him in that state. You can even see the transformation. Walt instinctively tries to help her, and then Heisenberg takes over and let’s someone who wounded his pride that he considered an opponent die. He broke bad then

Congratulations this is easily the worst answer you could possibly give

This has to be the most retarded analysis I’ve ever read. The debate about when Walt became evil is tangential to the enjoyable part of the show, the slow transformation of a character into a criminal monster. Whether he always had some bad in him is just a point of discussion about a person who undeniably became bad then worse at some point.

>The time he just let some person die because he didn’t like her resulting in the death of a huge number of people with the wreckage landing in his own lawn is the time he became bad
>That’s stupid
Enlighten us then

>let some person die because he didn’t like her
If you actually believe that was the only or even the primary factor behind his decision you are literally too stupid to have a discussion with. Jesus.

This. Every other horrible thing he did up to that point could be rationalized in some way, even poisoning Brock. He had no reason to kill Mike other than the fact that Mike insulted him.

Whatever helps you sleep at night you faggot.

We’re not having a discussion fag. If I wanted to hear Walt’s bullshit reasoning I’d just watch the show again. Not hear from some halfwitted user about why Walt choosing the selfish choice when not threatened at all was the right thing

Well Mike would’ve come back to kill him for killing his men, but Walt wasn’t thinking that far ahead. He was just pissed

I think it's when he decided to continue selling drugs after it was no longer necessitated. Everything else he did before that point had been out of self-preservation, preservation of the people close to him, and preservation of the business which itself was for the sake of his family. When he continued selling drugs after he no longer needed to, the heinous things he did were no longer out of any sort of preservation, they were towards the ends of continuing to sell meth because he enjoyed the power. I think this was partly foreshadowed by him punching the paper towel dispenser after finding out he was in remision and seeing his distorted reflection in the bloody dents he made. That was when he realized that him continuing to manufacture drugs past that point, which he loved doing, would not be justifiable in any way. The decision to do so would be the point when he becomes objectively immoral.

In regards to Jesse's girlfriend dying earlier - I think it was really clear that they were going to use that money to fuel their addiction and kill themselves. So Walter letting her die was practically the same as saving Jesse. Not only that, but he didn't really make a serious decision to let her die, it was a very small window of time he had to consider the possibility he could let her die and then he immediately regretted it. I don't think that can be said to be causing her death, most people in his position would panic similarly and they wouldn't be responsible for her dying either. Also, if he hadn't come that night she would've died then and there anyways, so really him having a lapse of judgment and not intervening created the exact same scenario that would have played out if he had sat his ass at home all night.

He wasn't always evil he just always had the capacity for it which you have to imagine is how most people actually are
It's a subtle but different thing

Mike absolutely would not come back for Walt. All he cared about was getting out of the life and protecting his granddaughter. The cops were on his trail, and killing Walt would've landed him in jail

He could have accepted Gray Matter’s offer for the job and health care. Maybe he wouldn’t get as much money but it was an amazing offer to just deny out of pride. He wasn’t evil then, but he sure as hell was setting himself up for it big time

If Walt was able to evade the cops well enough do what he did in the last episode Mike sure as fuck could have done it. And Walt purposefully let tons of people know he was back, Mike would just come by to kill Walt and be gone.

Mike has never given a shit about revenge. He's a level-headed professional, ego means very little to him. All that matters to Mike is getting the job done and providing for his granddaughter. Basically he's Walter without the faults.

>Caffeine is a drug meme

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I feel like the writers didn’t have the balls to make the audience hate Walter the same way the writers on Sopranos made me hate Tony, while also rooting for him

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Probably as soon as he had enough money to cure his cancer.

>when not threatened at all
At this point I can only assume you're either trolling or actually have never seen Breaking Bad

>Mike has never given a shit about revenge.
Better Call Saul is canon, you mongoloid.

Agreed, Tony is irredeemably evil in 6B yet I still keep rooting for him to win against all odds.

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when he assaulted the jock in the clothing store

S1: E01

When he quit his doctorate research because he was so assblasted about Gretchen.

>breaking the law is inherently wrong

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Based DEA bro.

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From the start, it is confirmed in season 5 when he visits Skylar for the last time and tells her
>Hello my stupid talentless annoying wife who was basically the series first villain, I want you to know I was evil all along because a bunch of faggots on the internet will be really mad unless I make it explicit that I'm bad before the end.

Literally just got done talking to my friend about this. Both agreed when he killed Mike

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Who the fuck drinks that shit?

>Breaking the law is inherently wrong.
Not if the law is wrong.

In a way, he got what he wanted in the end, and his money will go to his kids, whether they know it or not
I guess he really did Break Bad™

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When he let Jesse's girlfriend die.

This, after Mike told him off he was butthurt beyond belief, he couldn't handle it when someone finally put him on blast like that
Mike was 100% right about everything he said too

I was gonna say this but Jane somewhat threatened to blackmail him so I can see a rational justification there

When he became the bald guy.