Antagonist is evil because... he's evil

Why would the rock under his feet have glowing seams?

wasn't galadriel andher forces busy fucking dol guldur up during frodo's quest?

They didn't know the necromancer was Sauron. Galadriel was just protecting her own lands from a competing power. Never trust Noldor. If Sauron had been a Teleri fucking shit, then the War of the Ring would have been over before you could say "Kinslaying".

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>also they wear black leather and skulls are a big thing
>also really into big doomsday weapons

>antagonist desires control over all things to order them
What is the problem?

Wrong on the FIRST (1st) line. Sauron wanted power and dominion over ALL lands, and people.

Give me power and I will kill every single one of you, one by one.

>>antagonist is evil because... he's evil
yeah BUT being better is what gets you branded as evil: Melkor was the best of his brothers and being best he felt like he SHOULD be making music of his own. that's what pissed off Eru in the end. It's like Madara, he was the best fighter and felt like he SHOULD be trying to bring peace in the world.

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damn i didnt even think about this desu

It's a child's fairytale equivalent to capeshit

well it was a bunch of fucking orcs, who else could it be?

he started off with good intentions, wanting to bring the world to order but got corrupted

It's the best kind of villain.

Cringe and dare I say retardpilled

>Sauron is unambiguously evil
His proposals for a reformed inheritance tax were great.

Ahahahahaha, holy shit.

Are you saying there aren't evil leaders in real life?

Achually, corruption come from wanting power, and crafting/creation is associated with it. Eru creates , so when Melkor want to add is own spin to the song of creation he is directly going against Eru. Meanwhile, Aule also create (dwarves, in this case) but when Eru comes knocking he submit to Eru and agree they must be destroyed even tho he's sad about it. Furthermore, only Eru truly creates, since the dwarves were basically dolls until Eru accepts them and give them actual will.

Not only this, but in real life misunderstood evil is a lot less common than full on evil. Or are anons really going to argue that cartels executing doctors and school teachers, africans macheting each other, and Muslims forcing children to execute prisoners is somehow misunderstood?

Real evil represents real life. Misunderstood evil is a meme of fiction

Sauron is a god tier villain, I hate how he was turned into a giant flaming vagina in the movies

Also interesting to note that both Sauron and Saruman were maiar under Aulë.

He hung out with the worlds biggest edge lord for around 50.000 years. That's why he's evil.

Sauron was a much more powerful Maia than the wizards though

underrated

Sure, but that's not the point, the point is that two maiar of the valar of crafting become corrupted.

>>the bad guy lives in mount doom
You don't think the inhabitants of the world MIGHT call the evil tyrant's mountain base something like that???

Other Maiar were corrupted. Ungoliant and the balrogs were originally Maiar.

>Ungoliant
No

>antagonist is evil because his mother didn't hug him on his 10th birthday

Ungoliant is not a maiar, she existed outside of creation or before it, people don't really know

Ah gotcha my bad

It's just nature, it's not good or evil.

It's because tolkien was anti-industry

Nah, Ungoliant was some weird manifestation of the void that was never actually "created".

How can you exlude her as a Maiar yet admit that there is no agreement on the matter in the same sentence?

edgy fuck, unironically have sex

Aule was tempted by Melkor as well, I think Osse is the only Maia who actually switched sides for a little while.
>Ungoliant and the balrogs were originally Maiar
Ungoliant is not Maia or Vala. I think Balrogs were Maiar of Melkor, so they just followed their boss.

based and redpilled

We're now at the point where writers have tried so hard to give their villains a better motive that straight up fucking evil for no real reason is high tier again, prove me wrong

>dons armor made by his "male friend" back in Aman*
So you be saying

>puts on makeup made of hand-milked Numenorean sperm
we aren't allowed*

>remembers the Kin-Slaying while massaging his thighs*
to do what we want

>invents new lie to tell to his wife to justify why they still have no children*
even though

>pulls out sword from his leather Prada scabbard and caresses the tip of it*
we're Eru' firstborn and shit?

Funny how it's always the self-rightous types like you who end up burning people alive.

Sauron was an autistic control freak and thought the world would be more orderly if he controlled it

Are you dense son?

There is nothing wrong with industry. Industry is what elevates the individual and his society above of his own nature.
Striving to be stronger and better, going against the natural rule. That is the only way forward.
Fuck Eru. Hail Melkor.

It's agreed she's not a maiar but it's unagreed where she came from, she simply came forth from outside of erus creation. I've read that there are others like that too

>Osse
Wasn't Osse just a violent dickhead though who was mostly interested in storms and shit? Also I think he was the one who destroyed Faenor's ships?

Acceptance of proof would be canceled out by the real reason why it became fashionable again.

What branch of Eldar makes up 13% of the population, but is responsible for 100% of the Kinslaying?

Unironically what was his tax policy?

aka faschism

>Galadriel was just protecting her own lands from a competing power. Never trust Noldor. If Sauron had been a Teleri fucking shit, then the War of the Ring would have been over before you could say "Kinslaying".
funnily enough, Galadriel is only 1/4 Noldor, while she's 1/2 Teleri. Sure culturally she's more Noldor though.

probably more like 24% of the elves

I think we all know where she really came from.

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>OP is lorelet because... he's lorelet

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sauron is a name given to him by his enemies same with morgoth

He's a forge spirit and a being of primeval order, he wouldn't have a tax policy because he wouldn't have money, everyone would do the job they were given and they would be given the food and resources necessary to perform their job optimally.

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Add to that,
>rings only exist because Galadriel didn't want to give up her position of worship to go be outshined by real goddesses
>certainly doesn't want to apologize or take her well earned punishment
>have thirsty friend who is best smith since Feanor
>tell him all the time how wet your pussy would be if not for the gods calling you home.
>smith makes a new friend
>no idea who this strange elf with no family could be
>since we literally know all elves
>doesn't matter, new guy has magic the smith does not
>look the other way
>what? Magical rings? For me? You shouldn't have!
>evil strange elf is evil
>tortures smith for the gifted rings
>don't think I know any Smith's, just help me hide these rings real quick
>world tumbles further from grace,
>no safety, no respite, no hope
>unless you have one of the three
>war, darkness and more war
>over fucking magic rings
>because one cunt couldn't face the consequences of her actions
>and one genius couldn't think past dat ass
Tolkien obviously loved the character but if we just take her at her actions she's at least as much a bad guy as Saurumon. Her actions are selfishness personified. And I blame no one but her for the destruction of the fellowship. Every time Boromir falters he looks to Aragorn for strength, support and good council. Galadriel uses her granddaughters snatch like a carrot on a stick to force a wedge between the two and sets everyone against the most passionate member of the group, also the one who has personally suffered the most for her stupid ring (which is kind of an extra level of not giving a fuck about others). All so she can skip barefoot through an unchanging forest and do fuck all for the rest of everyone.

>Cartels killing doctors
>"that's just nature"
stfu atheist fuck.

>I don't like it so it's evil.
you are a literal brainlet.

So communism.

Galadriel is keeping her ring to stop the decay of the woods.
>lotr
>real goddesses
Did you read any book

Well, he is the villain.

>OP is a faggot because...he’s a faggot

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hey dumbass did you know that none of those are their real names, just the names that the elves gave them with purposely negative connotation?

>Tolkien obviously loved the character
The non canon retcon shit Tolkein wrote later about Galadriel is pure cringe, she goes from rebelling against the Valar to going on a secret mission to oppose Feanor. That and making each of the Years of the Trees a thousand regular years long or some shit.

>Pierre and Andrews then propped each of the victims into sitting positions and forced them to drink the liquid, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. Rather, it was liquid Drano, that immediately caused blisters on the victims' lips, and began burning their tongues and throats and peeled away the flesh around their mouths. Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the drain cleaner too...

>Pierre and Andrews tried to duct tape the hostages' mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but the oozing blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren Walker was the last to be given the drain cleaner, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, he allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and fellow hostages.

>Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long and were too loud and messy, so he shot both Carol and Byron Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads...

>Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He then fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.

>Pierre then took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly and brutally raped her...

>When he was done, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head. According to survivor Orren's testimony, her last words were "I am too young to die."

>Andrews and Pierre noted that Orren was still alive, so Pierre mounted him, wrapped a wire around his throat, and tried to strangle him. When this failed, Pierre and Andrews inserted a ballpoint pen into Orren's ear, and Pierre stomped it until it punctured his eardrum, broke, and exited the side of his throat.

Maybe shit that's in your foul, ugly nature, but it's not in mine.

Read the Birth of Tragedy by Nietzsche.

>Villain is shitty because of his childhood/past
>This is used for sympathy
I'm not saying villains shouldn't have a reason to be asshats, but playing the sympathy card with their tragic backstory doesn't work because 9/10 it's still entirely up to them how they want to live their life, meaning they could make a turn around and live a good life

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More like everyone is his slave

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Nietzsche was an incel

>read Nietzsche

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OP's a fucking pseud. Nothing wrong with a character just being evil just because.

So communism in practice

>not being evil for the sake of evil in clown world
PLEB FILTERED

I don't think so. He had syphilis. In any case he was a great philosopher.

Nature can be evil. Chimps torturing and eating other is nature, but it's also evil. Good happens in nature as well.

He is "evil" because he thinks he is better than a bunch of gay elves.

He is evil, because he is based.

You not liking it doesn't make it evil. Take your line of thinking to its ultimate conclusion and you end up with a prison/kindergarten where you're not allowed to do certain things because they're naughty.

>SNEEEEEEEED

You're splitting hairs, good and evil are terms invented by humans to describe things. Virtually every able minded person would independently find these things to be evil, but you're going to be one of those teenagers who goes BUT IT'S NOT OBJECTIVE aren't you?

It seems to you like hairsplitting because you're a pleb. Try reading Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche.

There is objective good and evil. Everyone knows that, even a dog.

You're a brainlet.

And you haven't done enough reading. Go back to your atheist club, where you jerk each other off for knowing that there isn't a man with a beard who lives in the clouds. Things will make more sense when you get a little older. Hang in there buddy.

Try reading Ecce Homo by Nietzsche. It's a good intro to Nietzsche.

Try reading Gay Niggers From Outer Space by Nietzsche.

I accept your resignation.

What works in reality often feels contrived in fiction.

Why didn't this nigga manifest in the third movie? Such a let down. Last boss is big spider.

This. Dude wanted power. That was the reason he was evil

Can you stop samefagging and just saying 'read Nietzsche'? Knowing of something doesn't make you look smart.

>Last boss is big spider.

Yes and?

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I am giving people advice on how to advance philosophically.

You better hope no one ever grants me power because I would use it not for evil, but for stupid and evil things. Like introducing tarantulas into public schools.

You obviously don't study or want to teach. You want to navel gaze. Actually explain, listing off things is for brainlets.

I can explain, but I don't think you'd understand what I mean. Just from that retarded post you just made I can see you're not very bright.

That should read “The Dark Maiar.” Maia is the plural form

Tolkien was on fucking point

Explain crabs in a bucket without using the term “evil.” You’ll find there’s no other explanation. What they do provides no good for themselves or others. It is the active choice to watch the world burn based on their own jealous circumstances. It’s a perfect metaphor for humanity itself

It gives them some psychological satisfaction. It why people came up with evil to begin with. So they can smear the people who are stronger than them.

That doesn't make him evil. Sauron wanted power and dominion over Middle Earth. Melkor was evil because he didn't want power, he just wanted to fuck shit up and destroy everything the other Valar created, all because Daddy didn't appreciate his million year long guitar solo.

Retarded incel.

Soon.

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>Fights in the greatest war in human history until that time
>Finds true love
>Friendship with other great writers of the time
>Professor at one of the greatest universities in the world
>Literally invents new languages just as background for his fantasy world
>Has a deep and abiding faith
LOL he doesn't write about taxes what a faggot

Psychological satisfaction without purpose is evil. A sin, a vice, whatever you want to call it. We use the word “evil” to describe that phenomenon. Because yes, they do it because they enjoy being evil for whatever reason, but they are what they are and that’s why we have a word for it. Your innate semantic babbling is nails on a chalkboard to my ears

lily collins could fuck it up, but still

youtube.com/watch?v=wZ1vn85iQRE

*inane

>Your innate semantic babbling is nails on a chalkboard to my ears
>innate
Why is this semiliterate retard speaking to me?

Wow even two minutes after I corrected myself, a grammatical nitpick is all you have as a counter.

You can't even speak English properly and you want to tell me what words mean.

why are you obsessed with grrm, did he fuck your mother or something

>OP is a faggot because... he's a faggot

It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

Everything you say is a logical fallacy. We were having a debate about evil, would you like to continue? I would so love to peer into the infinite chasm of knowledge available from Your Majesty’s Excellence, Master of psychology 101 and Reader of Neitzsche, oh Wise One of Wonders Unknown.

We're not having a debate. You're insisting that evil is defined as "satisfaction of a psychological need with no purpose" which is blatantly retarded. If I make a drawing for myself, it has no purpose other than psychological satisfaction, so does that make it evil? Clearly you have to rethink your definition of evil, but I just don't have the patience to be nice to arrogant and rude retardos. So maybe in a few years when you're grown up.

unironically dis

>a great philosopher.
>is dead
lmao

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>If I make a drawing for myself, it has no purpose other than psychological satisfaction, so does that make it evil?
That’s another vice, it’s vainglory, lust, or gluttony depending on your perspective, also evil. Idle hands are the devil’s hands, as they say. You can create art with purpose, to create art for no purpose is a mockery of purpose itself. To better yourself, to earn for yourself, to depict something beautiful or meaningful, to make someone else feel something from your art, I could go on. There are plenty of ways to do it right, and plenty of ways to do it wrong. You posture while dogmatically preaching juvenile garbage and citing babby’s first existential crisis handbook

okay puritan retard, life is evil. good luck with that opinion.

*also sloth

seething

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Your antiquated ideas are repugnant to any healthy human being. They're also what's ultimately responsible for the destruction of the Northern European peoples.

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Yes I'm the idiot, not the guy who doesn't know the difference between innate and inane, but still thinks he's a moral authority that can tell people it's bad to enjoy things.

not even him but you're the retarded one here

What is the context of this image, Sauron didn't die and Morgoth was thrown to the void long before that.

>seeking virtue will cause the collapse of western civilization

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>antagonist is evil because he literally convinces an entire nation to declare war on heaven, resulting in the genocide of said nation
>antagonist then goes on to create a super power bent on domination and slaughter
>and only gets stopped when the entire world unites against him

You didn’t even mention all the evil shit he did before that. He’s been torturing elves for most of his life

By making life so ugly, they drove people into self-destructive behavior. Read Nietzsche. He will explain it to you. Or not. I think you're too smitten with spiritual sickness to be helped.

no taxation, orcs are allowed to retain all plunder for themselves.

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>by making life so ugly
Explain yourself. Ugliness comes from vice, not virtue. I’m convinced you don’t know shit about Neitzsche if “fuck it lol nothing matters vices are fine bro do whatever” is your interpretation, because that’s not what it says, mr. enlightened community college student

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why are you posting words: the comic again? nobody should ever have to suffer reading something like that.

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Imagine being so American you believe this unironically.
Do you ask the television how to breathe every morning when you wake up?

Nietzsche's doctrine was amor fati, a complete acceptance and love of everything that happens. Seeing everything, even pain and suffering, as necessary components of life.
Your doctrine is slave morality. Calling the beautiful and healthy evil, and in the process making things ugly and sick.

its 3 pages m8, theres even pictures for you.

>complete acceptance and love of everything that happens. Seeing everything, even pain and suffering, as necessary components of life.
Pain and suffering are virtues. Accepting that things happen does not mean you should not seek to organize things for the betterment of yourself and others, because though you will never have complete control, there is no worth in believing something that will rob you of whatever agency you might have had. You do not become ubermensch by seeking vice. You may accept it, and understand it is necessary for the sharpening of virtue as light and dark need each other to be their own, but it is not what you consciously seek. I tire of discussing morality with nihilistic college students

I’ve read it before and I regretted it. Only thing I wonder is if the author is self-aware of the stupidity and pointlessness inherent to his eventual rationalization to do virtually nothing despite writing an essay about what should be done. I can’t tell if it’s suppose to be a parody of rambling pseudo intellectuals who say nothing with a lot of words, or if he really thinks it’s profound and worth reading. In any case, I could have shortened it by a good 95% and maintained the depth. The art of comics is brevity

>mentions nietzsche
>post is retarded
100% correlation. Kill yourself please.

Read a philosophy book bro. Nihilism has been refuted a million times, this is just cringe

Even now you seek to drag down Nietzsche into your mire of life hatred and slave morality. Have you ever tried reading Nietzsche? He mocks ideas of virtue and vice, he literally spends several books doing this.
Do you understand his concept Dionysian? Chaotic and undifferentiated? Clearly you don't, since you seem to think Nietzsche was some ascetic life denier.

this. im so fucking sick of everything being subjective and shades of gray. antagonists dont need to be sympathetic and you have to be a fucking brainlet to want them to be. a clear evil is much more preferred than a kinda evil. the best villains are those who are fucking evil and love being fucking evil

ok then, I got the comic on /tg/ and thought it was an accurate portrayal of how pseud fags can ruin a good gaming session with their real life politics.

What a thoroughly stupid thing to say.

He's not evil for the evil's sake. He's Lawful Evil and thinks his actions are justified

You just say words you hear to make yourself sound smarter. Chalkboard to my ears. You never make any points, just a parrot.
Pic related, your philosophy

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What you are experiencing is a regression into childhood psychology. You want there to be clear rules for everything, to make you feel safe. You are honestly pathetic. Nothing but a manchild.

>Antagonist is evil because society/external influences made him that way so he can't be held accountable for his actions

Now the illiterate retard accuses me of "saying words".

"Evil" does nto exist. There is only the emotion disgust.

Everything this freshman nihilist pseud has said in this thread is cringe as fuck

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Imagine caring about the well-being of vicious criminals that would rape and torture you without a second thought.

>nothing matters bro read Neitzsche brooo

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I'm sorry we can't all have a prestigious degree from the university of Yea Forums. Who am I to come here and make you feel stupid with multisyllabic words criticising your children's fantasy. I guess you can ask your mum to tuck you in a little tighter tonight, alright big boy?

If you are the Nietzsche fag then you are the philosophically inept one. If you actually take more than a completely superficial interest in the subject you’d realise his value is more in historical and scholarly terms. He writes well, and has influenced a lot of thought, but argumentatively barely anything he says holds up today. You are worse than a brainlet, you’re a pseud. You have a cursory knowledge and talk with authority.

not him but if you truly cared about discussing philosophy, you would try to present your argument in a way that your opponent can understand. since this is Yea Forums and everyone just cares about being right, that never happens.

embarrassing m8. you will grow up 5 years from now and cringe at yourself, guaranteed. We were literally all you at one point

DAIN?

Nietzsche was the most profound philosopher since Jesus or Buddha, both of which probably never came up with half of what's been ascribed to them.
We can also talk about Kierkegaard if you want, and I can make the same points. Well we can't, because you're a brainlet and philosophy is not for brainlets.

>university of Yea Forums
>An institution with more prestige and integrity then any of the colleges involved in the 2019 college admissions bribery scandal

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>Nietzsche was the most profound philosopher since Jesus or Buddha

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Sauron´s real name is Mairon you fucking moron.

You're right this is not a good place to discuss philosophy. It doesn't matter though, you can't have a discussion with someone who don't understand the words you're using.

I've been on Yea Forums since 2007, you probably came here in 2016.

there is nothing preventing you from explaining yourself beyond your own ability to successful draw connections from concepts and connect your philosophy to your argument. Instead you posture

Yeah, at this point I think you KNOW you are a pseud. You don’t seem to comprehend how actual philosophy works. Stirner is a Nietzsche equivalent with actual philosophical merit. Nietzsche himself is literally a Plato equivalent, some things he says may ring true, but here’s studied more to understand the grounding of types of thinking than he is taken seriously in modern debate. Nietzsche is the height of pseud shit, the man was intelligent himself, but if you are drawn in by good writing and can’t see how blatantly false premises and hyperbolic writing isn’t a good argument, you have far to go in terms of intellectual maturity. I mean, for one thing, he bases a lot of his notions on the fact christianity is wrong. That isn’t a basis for an argument in of itself though, you have to place some sort of groundwork to base your views on instead of something else which you are already calling incorrect. Schopenhaur was one of his influences and that man alone is clearly far more philosophically intelligent than Nietzsche was. Maybe read some philosophers who you didn’t google search “best philosophers” to find and actually get a broad reading of ideas that are argued well and still taken seriously today before you start hurling the word brainlet around.

The thing is they actually mark you down for that on philosophy courses because it’s just obstructive and secondary to an argument. It’s a classic pseud tactic

I think the inability is on you. Who doesn't know basic English and accuses me of "using smart words". How can I explain it to you then?

No way Glaurung was that big, how would Turin kill something like that?

>Stirner
lol.

>He was part of the Project Chanology movement
not something to be proud of m8

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Good defeats evil.

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Stirner is unironically better than Nietzsche, he has actual points that make sense. Not saying I agree with him at all.

People were already complaining about newfags back then, but atleast the site wasn't full of deranged soccer moms and contrarians larping as boyscouts.

It still isn’t you fucking schizo
Stop seething because this place isnt an echo chamber for you opinions

It's funny you keep stating your opinion like I should care about it.

Funny what happens when you are faced with an actual response that presents something for you to refute. If you want to get good at philosophy step one is recognising when you have lost an argument.

>implying Sauron truly repented
>implying Manwë wouldn't force him to shapeshift into a sissy in a chastity cage to sit at the feet of his throne if he didn't run off

you are right about Gal*driel though. The only good Noldo is a dead Noldo (with the exceptions of her brother Finrod and based Fingolfin)

Why are you projecting your obvious frustration onto me? You're calling me a "fucking schizo" and trying to give me orders. Seeing how I'm getting to you is only going to encourage me.

I’m not trying to give you orders you insecure faggot. I’m just saying if you can’t cope with people disagreeing with you maybe a forum where people can say whatever they want isn’t for you. Try Reddit, where whatever brainlet opinion you have will never be challenged

It's just your opinion though. I don't know why you wrote all that text when all it amounts to is "Nietzsche bad!". I seriously doubt you have ever even understood Nietzsche.

I'm not the one who's been brought to the brink of tears.

elves aren't human

I'm so smug happy i immediately recognized that was fanon

>GOD BAD
>OBAMA CARE GOOD
thats all I need to know

I never called him bad and that’s not what my post amounted to. And I don’t think you understand Nietzsche if you think he is a nihilist or denies morality. Seriously, if ive read schopenhaur, Hegel etc. Why would I not be able to understand entry level shit like Nietzsche? You do realise even college student loves him because he’s the FIRST thing you learn about in college? He’s not exactly obscure or hard to grasp. Seriously, if you are confronted with arguments you can’t refute maybe read more and develop your views until you can. Otherwise quite ironically for a Nietzsche fanboy you are acting like a zealot who won’t see reason

youre a dumb fucking nigger if you think everything needs to be filtered in shades of gray. also stop projecting your wimpy cuck fantasies on everyone else. give me sauron, give me sheev, give me the thing, give me chigurh, give me fucking freeza. give me something the protagonist has to defeat or overcome other than these fucking lame stories where both good and evil have evil and good in them. its jarring as fuck and also completely culturally subversive to have new stories made where the good guys are also evil and the bad guys are also good if you look at it from some completely faggy point of view. its typical philosophy 101 tripe

this kid literally epitomizes pseudo-intellectualism. Dozens of posts with 0 (ZERO) arguments and 100% posturing

dumb meme

Nice projection pal
Take that last reply you desperately need

What's with Amerimutts and turning everything into a retarded circus. I don't give two shits about obamacare, I'm not a contrarian like you.

They aren't evil, they're just dumb subhuman animals who are acting on their impulses.

He’s not unique. There are a lot of people who read one or two famous philosophers and think they’ve attained enlightenment and it’s all irrefutable truth. Ironically Nietzsche wouldn’t approve of thinking like that at all.

You have to prove torturing people is a natural human impulse. I think clearly it isn’t. If we are going to accept the most popular theory for morality, which is realism, then morality can be objective in so far as it speaks to fundamental truths about how humans think and how it is beneficial for us to live. That stance still makes what they did evil.

I don't think you understand Nietzsche because you don't give me that impression. You think Schopenhaur's antinatalism is apparently hard to get and makes Nietzsche entry level in comparison. Even this "argument" you have "confronted" me with is nothing but an appeal to authority. You're honestly just a dumb pleb.

>he’s not American
the lore thickens. things start coming together. you could almost say it made me think

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says the guy who has made 0 (ZERO) arguments ITT

Is that hot soda you're drinking? Shouldn't you be worried about your diabetes?

yes, ease into that caricature like a finely-tailored suit.

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Sauron is basically Satan if Christianity was like Zoroastrianism in divine hierarchy (dualist)

he's bad because he chose to be evil, and his personality dictated how he was evil (lawful evil with intent to forge an empire)

That's probably why you don't like Nietzsche. He had mastery not only of form, but also of the formless which do you not seem to comprehend. I can make arguments, but what is the point of establishing tautologies when I'm sure you won't agree with my premises.

I have presented arguments, one for example being Nietzsche’s arguments based on Christianity not being true. Check my post. And anitnatalism is barely relevant to schopenhaur, obviously I’m talking about the world as will and representation. It’s pretty clear you just wikipedia’d him.

Are you 1/16 Cherokee? Should I call you Big Chief? Does your mum weigh above 200 pounds?

How does him calling out that retarded perspective automatically mean he cares or even sympathizes with those people? Everyone has a reason and a justification for doing the shit they do, whether it’s right or not. Thinking someone is pure evil is retarded. By that same logic we’d condemn half the retarded poltards on this board

Nothing you said in this post actually means anything. You aren’t fooling anyonez

Get a load of this fuckhead

His antinatalism is the part that is relevant to Nietzsche. I don't know what argument you've made, I can't even tell what you're trying to say you made it about.

literally endless circular posturing, sophistry incarnate.

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Read the Birth of Tragedy, by Nietzsche.

Lmaooo you genuinely haven’t read shit. His atheism inspired Nietzsche dummy. And ignoring my argument is not an argument.

>circular posturing
Yeah, that makes sense. What is with you retarded brainlets and your inability to speak your own native language?

I’m sure you’ll hit your mark eventually

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based

Why don't you read the book he wrote on him? I did.

How would you describe this endless pathetic cycle of posturing? Would you like me to call it a square? A triangle? Please, tell me which word I should use oh Great Thesaurus of freshman college

Okay Big Chief, say goodnight to little mamma for me, when she comes with your evening pancakes.

jokes on you, breakfast is the only meal real men actually make

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I was the only one who could write the name of that German philosopher beginning with N correctly on the whiteboard in a fun little trivia quiz in (senior) high school in Finland. I only knew the spelling of the name because our neighbour was kicked out and I got his copy of The Antichrist.
I think I got candy from the teacher as a sarcastic reward.
I'm proud of it still, I just walked up and wrote that bitch down.

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I have, and he called him a Christian apologist to dismiss his arguments when Schopenhauer wasn’t at all. Again, a lot of Nietzsche’s points are just based on Christianity being wrong, which is not a premise to base an argument on. You can’t start stating things that are supposed to be true while your premise to say these things is the fact that something else is wrong. It’s just meaningless

He's not just evil, he was the strongest of his kin and probably way more creative, he saw Eru making music and wanted to rebel and try make his own music of creation. He's pretty much a super bad kid

Well there is something called circular reasoning, but since you posit that I am simply posturing, it doesn't make any sense to use the word there. I think it's your diabetes making it impossible for your brain to work at a functioning level, and as a result you write nonsense.

cringe and blue-pilled

Get a room you two

Clearly you didn't, because the book was written by younger Nietzsche who still admired Schopenhauer. It's when Nietzsche got older he started dismissing Schopenhauer.

you sure love debating which tools should be used instead of actually using any tools. You talk about a conversation you never actually have. That’s called sophistry. Unlike you, my thoughts are organically formed after I read and then I make my own conclusions, hence me putting two words together to create my own idea, as opposed to parroting the phrases and terms I read in a book because I could not perform that crucial step of transforming another’s ideas into my own. You understood me and that’s all that matters. You perform posturing in a circular fashion. Just because the Holy Neitzsche did not use that specific word combination does not mean it is not valid. English is fun that way, kid.

su gu fck urself bcuz u cun stall eusuly undastent wyat I um seying evn no evrythink iz sbellt rung

He still calls him a Christian apologist in it. And yes, as he got progressively insane he started hating someone who actually argued a semi hopeful message and wanted to incite positive change in the world. You still aren’t addressing the arguments I’m presenting by the way, this is the third time you’ve ignored it

True humanist CHAD.
Sadly too many virgin replies.

If you refuse to use words in accordance with their meaning, then how is anyone supposed to know what you are saying?

Immanuel Kant

yeah he ignored my arguments so I just started laughing at him and posting reaction images. I don’t know if it’s working, but I don’t know that it’s NOT working either

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He literally doesn't. You are welcome to show me the quote.

you’re a broken record

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is this the thread where I post that porn philosopher dude who comments on Pornhub?
Zoomers don't remember. Even though it's like three years ago.

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Yeah I didn't respond to such strong arguments as "stfu edgy atheist" and "have sex incel".

If he just presents another avoidant comment that doesn’t say anything I won’t reply and I suggest you do the same. He’s clearly aiming for the last reply, which is always the resort of someone who doesn’t understand that the person who makes a better argument is right, not the one who “retorts” last. I don’t understand how anyone could be into philosophy and then think treating the words of some guy as gospel and refusing to entertain other ideas makes sense.

>If he just presents another avoidant comment that doesn’t say anything
Oh you mean like this:

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Well maybe don't act arrogant and call me a pseud and then get mad when I nitpick your language for flaws

The mid-credits scene for Shazam showed Mr. Mind, who in the comics is the founder of the Monster Society of Evil. Having a worm as a villain might seem pretty dumb, but I'm honestly kind of excited about having such an over-the-top, unapologetically evil villain.

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I love when people get so buttblasted they start having conversations about me in the thread where they just stroke each other's egos and attempt to feel better.

youtube.com/watch?v=vZQJFbrqjUY
OBLIGATORY

>he calls ME arrogant

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better put another mark on your wall next to your golden-framed portrait of the Prophet Neitzsche for this stunning internet victory. lmao

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I'm arrogant too, the difference is that I don't embarass myself in my native tongue.

How can someone with no arguments be so cocky? Who, when confronted with the fact they aren’t addressing someone’s points, deflects to a random poster? How the fuck are you claiming to be philosophically versed and then deflecting to some random user when I ask you to address a point
Beyond good and evil he does a lot

classic

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keep posturing in that hole you’ve dug for yourself.

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>beyond good and evil
That's not the book he wrote about Schopenhauer. The book you said you had read. It's called Schopenhauer als Erzieher, but I'm sure a Nietzsche expert like yourself doesn't have to read Nietzsche, just lie and say you did.

Wait, what the fuck is your opinion then? You do realise your views can’t just be “Nietzsche” as he changed his own a significant amount through his life? I assume the stance you take is the one he developed when he was older and is famous for, not some essay he wrote about why he got into philosophy? Why the fuck are you treating this guy like he wrote the bible? Also, PLEASE for the love of god address my point about his false premise

whats the difference between pepe and wojak? Aren't they basically the same character?

Tolkien actually said Sauron was good in the Second Age, just willing to do extreme things to see good done.

IMHO Sauron and Morgoth are unequivocally good guys.

I don't think lying is any way to have a discussion. Why should I respect the opinion of an unrepentant liar? Of course you don't understand Nietzsche when you haven't read him. What's the point of discussing Nietzsche with you?

Why can’t tolkien come back bros? I hope he was right about religion so I can chill with him in heaven and ask him lore questions.

Okay so you still haven’t addressed my point and are now just calling me a liar for absolutely no reason. Please just take the last reply.

I said you should read a book. then you claime you already did, and when I pressed you on it, you admitted to not having read the book.
So why would you lie so brazenly? Where is this authority you tried to establish by talking about reading Hegel and Schopenhauer? It is gone now.

Also Sauron was a lot stronger than Galadriel. She couldn't do shit outside of her treehouse but Sauron could conquer the whole of Middle-earth, so I guess the Valar feared him more.

May I say, the original incel?

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Its been literal hours and you're still here lol? You're responding to posts I made while shitting. I have no doubt you're a legit Nietzsche pleb because only a loser who spends literally half the day arguing his dumbass opinions on a LOTR thread would think Nietzsche has anything poignant or truthful to say. You've proven you are an incel and unemployed, so have sex and get a job and stop being such a faggoty emo.

Quote me admitting to not having read it.

I think it's some yaoi fangirls tumblr where she draws Sauron like a pretty boy and Melkor is his big strong lover. That's what I remember from it. It's been a few years since I checked it out.

I accept your concession.

>He still calls him a Christian apologist in it.
>>show me the quote
>in beyond good and evil he does it a lot

I regret reading every book on philosophy I've ever read.

lol, so quirky

I would then introduce tarantula hawks into the schools.

You said I admitted to not having read it, which I didn’t. Therefore, you are a liar. And as you are a liar, I don’t need to refute anything you say. I am simply doing to you what you did to me, so you shouldn’t have an issue with it.

>Or are anons really going to argue that cartels executing doctors and school teachers,
I used to believe the contrary but my job let me meet a lot of people that are just cruel and pure evil without a good reason. Sometimes they think it's cool, others they are completely incapacable of empathy.

Also, I learned that ""evil"" is directly linked to stupidity

By admitting to not knowing the book, you implicitly admitted to not having read it.

The philosophical giant doesn’t understand the concept of being mistaken apparently. I can actually prove you lied, the post is right there!

So you admit to being mistaken. Very well, very well.

What makes it objective? Your feelings? Human feelings?

t. 22 year old zoomer

Pepe is a cunt, Wojak is just empathetic

we all do user, we all do. Tolkien is a popular guy up there for sure, I bet gods getting jealous

>he who speaks last, wins
if action is the result of ideal combined with effort then I can only surmise this is your ideal based on your efforts

>antagonist is a nigger... because he's black

This. Literacy is a form of mental illness. Imagine looking at squiggles on paper and hearing a fucking voice in your head force you to have thoughts you never would have otherwise.

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>he's the first thing you learn about in college

How you approach someone influences how they respond to you. Who would have known.

based as fuck

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fUCK the virgin accelerationist Ted was absolutely right about everything

>MUST. GET. LAST. WORD. MUST. MAKE. NEITZSCHE. PROUD.

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>protagonist is good because... she's good

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NEITZSCHE WAS THE GREATEST PHILOSOPHIZER TO EVER LIVE YOU FUCKING BRAINLETS. NOTHING MATTERS WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB I'M PICKLE RICK!!!!

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I FUCKING LVOE SVEINCE

Are you retarded?
He is evil because he was corrupted.

how did gandalf not see that coming. can a lorefag explain why gandalf wasn't sus of saruman if they were both maiar under the same valar

He descended into imbecility. His philosophy leads to imbecility. He ended up talking to his horse

I freaking hate what they did to Maleficent. And now they are gonna ruin Cruella.

I’m partial to the usurper henchman. A guy so bad he’ll overthrow the boss the second he can, like Star Scream in the first Transformers movie

no one knows and we are not really meant to know. Everything about that shit is too ethereal, almost dream like and too distant or unnatural to have any kind of concept of understanding. I mean. They sang songs that created things. I feel like its not as simple as being suspicious of Steve two houses down.

agreed. that whole “underdog henchman wants to be the boss” trope makes great characters. I call it the “vegeta complex”