Was Jigsaw morally right?

>every morning on your way to work you block lanes to try get your lane early just to keep yourself happy instead of travelling further down the road and safely merging like a mormal person
> you have blocked people trying to get to more important jobs just so you can sit comfortably in your desired lane
>last week you caused a motorcyclist to panic and swerve, creating an accident where he damaged his bike and legs
>well today, im going to fucking torture you until you die, you fucking cunt

Jesus christ they really upped jigsaw's game in this past movie.

Every time I see this thumbnail I see Sam Hyde as news reporter Don Cheadle

Absolutely not. It was both moralistically wrong and illegal. It’s pretty much mob justice, kidnapping, coercion, assault, and murder. And yes, everything he did was murder. Every time somebody died it was murder and he would have been charged with their murders. It makes me laugh when the absolutely bumfuck retarded sub 2 IQ vegetables try to argue otherwise.

That's not user's point. Regular people, whom your average joe would agree are undeserving of death, die every day. Yet unscrupulous characters, connivers, all manner of synonyms live on, freely. Jigsaw puts them in their place.

>creating an accident where he damaged his bike and legs
Based. Reward this man.

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>kills some guy because he smokes
no he's a retard

And who are you to be their judge, jury, and executioner? How have you not violated every right they have? How have you not become a million times worse than any of them by being a literal psychopath murderer? Kids are so dumb sometimes

It's the 7th movie. The one with Linkin Park singer and Hillary Duff.

>And who are you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
I'm no one. We're talking about Jigsaw.

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>>kills some guy because he smokes
Based

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No. Instead of accepting and overcoming the suffering of the world, and his own mortality, he decided to act out what a 13 year old's idea of retribution is.

I think it varies depending on the person. I don't really understand why most of the people he captures aren't rapists and murderers. How are a cheating doctor, a grieving father, and a drug addict on the same level as someone who molests a child.

Objectively the abject torment he puts his victims through are thousands of times worse than their crimes. Embezzling money? Taking pictures of people for money? Being fat? Like people are just trying to survive John, let people make their nut any way they want. Torturing a man for smoking is the final straw. He's torturing himself enough already by inhaling cancerous smoke.

If the captives were rapists and murderers the audience would cheer Jigsaw on.

3000 years ago stepped on a flower... no you too will be stepped on...
I have replaced your bones with knives carrying a 200 volt electrical current in 3 days you will explode

Don’t know why I laughed so hard at this

he never killed anyone

who is he? Who are you? Who am I? Same fucking theoretical is posed dumbass

>who is he?
Doesn't matter. He's DOING it. You're concerning yourself with shit that don't matter. It is fiction. It's the same bullshit with Death Note and Kira. Is it wrong for one man to have the power of death over all he deems wicked? Maybe. But he's doing it, so who cares? Just don't be wicked.

Your criticism is that it is all arbitrary. And you’re right. Just angers me that people constantly describe the concept of “arbitrary” without having the right word to use

No. and No.

He's a serial killer deconstruction of cop vigilante movies, though.

You haven't even watched the movies, it is precisely because he overcame suffering that he is able to be a righteous judge of others. People who don't value their lives and waste them don't deserve them. Every test he created was beatable if you wanted your life bad enough you could take it and come out a better person on the other side.

No because even when winnable, the traps weren't equal. That one druggie that became his apprentice just had to cut a key out of a guy, but that other guy got doused with gas and put in a room with combinations everywhere.

>Hello user
>five years ago, someone held the door open for you, but you were too shy/autistic to say thank you
>now you will see what it is like to get no thanks for your heroism
>in your body is a ticking nuclear microbomb, you are currently in a major metropolitan area
>you will slowly and carefully dig this bomb out of your nutsack using the tools i have layed out for you and disarm the bomb before it goes off
>you have 3 minutes

>doesn’t matter
how does it not matter? How is the glorification of mob justice, torture, premeditated murder and vigilantism just ok? How are you fine with the entire concept of a movie being absolutely retarded. Any ounce of respect I had for this potato with a crayon for a brain goes out the window when I realize he has the mind of a 6 year old like you and actually thinks what he is doing is justified. Who cares? I care, I also take issue with a movie glorifying that sort of thing in any way. The fact that kids like you walk around thinking it was ok or justified is the problem. It doesn’t matter who is doing it because the theoretical I posed to you implies that any one man bypassing the law by taking on all the roles by yourself is doing something evil. It is a basic American principle to separate these things, that is what is being violated here beyond just the murder and the kidnapping and the resisting arrest and the attempted murder of police officers and all that

Who are you or him or me to determine what lives do justice to life? What lives are “worth” living? You’re comfortable with a system where only one man arbitrarily decides with no standards?

That's way too clever. What alphabet agency/cartel do you subcontract for?

Imagine being this mad over a shitty horror movie from 20 years ago.

>how does it not matter?
Because he's DOING it. How is this lost on you?
>Boy Stalin was a real cunt for killing those millions of people who threatened his rule
Yeah, he was. But he already did it. 'Nuff said. If it came to light that a serial murderer, for years, was taking matters into his own hands and killing people who otherwise deserved it, I wouldn't bat an eye because he's already done it. There's nothing to say.

Imagine having the mind of a child and not being embarrassed to post with it

what the fuck is this .1 IQ chimpanzee randomly-mashing a keyboard talking about?

The Saw movies are beyond awful.

>Did you even watch the movies
Thankfully I'm not retarded.

ATF

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No Adam the photographer

It's been proven that second hand smoke is even more dangerous than actually smoking so he in fact did deserve it.

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>live or die

petty jigsaw is an underrated meme

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>morally right
Depends. Do you ascribe to Utilitarianism, virtue ethics, Kantianism, Divine Command, or stoicism?

Trying to figure out or discuss the morally right thing is a waste of fucking time and most moral theories regarding the existence of good itself make arguments based on ignorance.

TL;DR, Most ethics are logical fallacies.

if you haven't watched the series, why post?

Adam Failed.
even Gordan failed, yet Jigsaw counted it as a pass since he learned his lesson

it's the concept that if you're forced to fight for your own survival its makes you stronger.
I dare you even have to cut off a fucking toe to save your life.

>Empirical facts are edgy
HONK

honestly, most of the time jigsaw was pretty bias in his choice of victims, fuck he pretty much knew all of them from his own life.

No, he was just another serial killer that needed to be put down, Judge Dredd Style

It isn't arbitrary though. If anything it's very pointed, as this user said he personally knows almost every victim he kills

>Judge Dredd Style
Have they done a Dredd Vs Jigsaw comic, like the old Alien and Predator crossovers? It feels like something that could happen.

>Kidnap people
>morally right
duuuuude

Redditors would definitely help out. They're very nice people.

They need to reboot the Saw series as a period piece. Set it during WW2 where Jews have to escape Nazi Jigsaw's Holohoax traps. Or Medieval traps with a Jesuit Jigsaw. Escape Room has kinda stolen the Saw thunder.

I still don’t understand the old fuckers motive
>have terminal cancer
>wife makes bad decisions and gets her unborn baby killed
>WTF I hate society now!
>starts collecting druggies, place them in a house so they kill each other, just to fuck with some cop
Dumb as fuck

Adam failed as soon as the movie started the key went down the drain

How is that fair?

why do torture movies make more comfy entertainment

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is life fair?

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He could have cut his feet

He had a hacksaw too he broke it chimping out Jigsaw gave him multiple ways to get out

People that think the movies tried to make Jigsaw look morally in the right are the stupidest motherfuckers in the world and clearly did not watch.
The Saw series is actually kino but normies never looked past the so ebin death traps, even if 60% of the movies are the drama/thriller aspect out of that.

Pouring one out for my favorite absolutely madman Hoffman, one of my favorite villains of all time

youtube.com/watch?v=jgc89CB1JNA
This bitch deserved to die for putting both of her hands in the fucking trap. Why not use one hand to keep the blades apart while using your other arm to grab the antidote?

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doesnt he make someone tear their own eye out to get a key?
hows anyone supposed to live through that

I hate horror movies they make me shit myself

The key was under the eye.

I can't read this.thread with a straight.face

you expect junkies to think?

It's just nihilism

I'd think they'd at least try to do the best to not get their hands stuck in an emo box.

That is the definition of arbitrary. He arbitrarily punished those within his immediate accessible environment and therefore arbitrarily spares potentially worse people or arbitrarily punished potentially better people. That is what arbitrary is, and the opposite of it is the basis for the rule of law

>rip off abominable Dr. Phibes
>become normie delight with 7 sequels
You never can tell how it'll play

I read it in his voice. You're good.

Jigsaw is what White Sharia looks like.

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>walk to nearest mosque/ghetto

HAVE SEX
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>even Gordan failed

how????? he did exactly as told

Fukken nerd lmao

>guy ignores his daughter...deserves to die

ok.....

Fucking hell user

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the insurance guy wasnt meant to die, the angry boy killed him

>grieving father,
he wasnt meant to die, nor his wife

Reminder

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Just because something happens doesn’t null its importance. If that were true we wouldn’t bother talking about the past at all, which clearly isn’t a smart idea. You can still critically analyze Stalin despite the fact that what he did already occurred. Stupid argument, son.

he was sorta but he started getting muddled and basically just killed people for the dumbest shit.
>you smoke cigarettes. now you need to learn your lesson mister. Die now

His apprentice was a cute

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It's supposed to be 'live or die, make your choice". And the choice is between a shitty way to "win" and dying. Is killing another man to free yourself the right thing to do? What moral quandry is there in begging Reddit to help? Fucking retarded I swear.

it wasn't beatable for the guy amanda had to gut and kill to free herself from the reverse bear trap

her nudes are gross

>jigsaws victims are often selected due to indirect consequences of their actions or negligence rather than direct malice
>people were put into unwinnable 'games' due to jigsaws negligence

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Proof?

a fact of life is edgy. interesting.

underrated post

Regardless of what his victims deserved (and they definitely didn't deserve what they got), it's not his place to give it to them.

>Utilitarianism
Implicitly Kantian

>virtue ethics
Implicitly Kantian

>Kantianism
Objectively correct

>Divine Command
Implicitly Kantian

>stoicism
Just resentment my shit up: the philosophy

>some guy that looked wrong at minor has to cut off his foot
>some junkie has to dig in her friend corpse

Saw is dumb desu

back to R*ddit

all he had to do was saw off the rusty pipe his chains were attached to lol

Post sources

well done user, well done indeed.

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Fuck No. Most them didnt even commit crimes they were just drug ursers

8 is the only non cannon one dipshit

Did anyone watch 8? it was so bad i wonder why it was made.

>hello marie (or whatever the fuck her name was)
>your husband was a lying piece of shit so now im going to kill you
no

How do you explain the dude in the first movie that Amanda had to cut open for the bear trap key? Dude had no choice but to be cut open.

he is still alive

>cannon

Some user opened my eyes a while ago in a thread about the franchise
>the only one to blame of his wife losing the child is the door, because the other guy just stumbled into it
so basically the franchise doesn't make any sense, and jigsaw was a salty retard

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Is that Mr Meaty?

This thread lacks kino
youtube.com/watch?v=pXrCjaKKSlc

>hello user, we're going to play a game, for the past 7 years you have contributed to the cancer known as 'baneposting' on the Internet. You are currently on a CIA plane that is crashing with no survivors.
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>hello user
>for months you have ruthlessly mocked and berated others for their sexuality in frankly very funny posts on 4channel.org
>but times have changed, and now calling people a faggot online is unacceptable, so you must be punished
>before you lay two doors. One contains a tall, black gentleman who will force you to dress like a girl and then fuck you up the ass. The other contains a transgender man who looks and sounds exactly like a really horny 10/10. You must choose one to enter, and you must remain there for 5 hours.
>if you get an erection both are instructed to tear out your testicles and force-feed them to you.
>live or die

oh boy

I thought the guy who ran into the door stole something and was running away.

I dont pick any door at all

i remember just by the thumbnail, that was the edgiest shit Ive seen in my life

Fuck her, she jumpscares me every time

Sides have exploded, thanks

>Was Jigsaw morally right?
No
>Did his victims get what they deserved?
Yes

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Best ITT

>wait to page 10
>post with sage

>he thinks people don't lay in wait to post responses to moeposter

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Chess of course.

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>Hello, Donnie. For years you have struggled with a drug addiction, squandering the life that has been given to you. You recently began trying to solve your addiction by seeking help from a rehab clinic. Unfortunately, my to-be apprentice also goes to that clinic, and for that you must be tested. I have put you in an unconscious and paralyzed state as a part of your test and hers. In a short while, the woman next to you will rip open your abdomen. Live or die. It’s your choice.

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Just finished getting all the perks for her build. Now I have complete builds for all the licensed killers.

>your husband was a liar, a fact you did not know about
>You get the most brutal death of the series

Sure do!

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>hello ceo of insurance co
>you are an asshole and i will make you suffer
>you will learn selflessness through pain and bloodshed
>then ill kill you anyway lol

>And who are you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
It is up to god to judge criminals, but up to me to send them to him.

Unfortunately, she sucks. Low tier with meme power. Only works against low rank survivors.
I should know I main Freddy Krueger

Yeah the reason the wife got BTFO was she thought she was walking into an empty building and the junkie ran into her full sprint. It's implied he stole drugs from the building and Amanda was in on it.

Not murder cause he didn't actually kill them

Certain ones did, like the rapist from 4 or the guy who faked having a sickness in the original.

you are legitimately retarded

Setting up a gruesomd murder is just as bad.
>I didn't do anything officer I just built this guillotine that sliced a man in half after I kidnapped him

Not murder

Literally any court would disagree. Period. He would be charged with all of their murders.

have you taken Law, smug anonymous teenager? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>playing God

No

Prove it faggots

Someone has to take the throne.

The whiny edgelord photographer in the first movie was a good husbando

Is that why people who pay for hitmen end up doing just as much jail time as actual murderers do, dumb brainlet

remember that time in Jigsaw that He killed a guy because he contributed to a car accident by standing up but then saved the life of the passed out dude in the saw blade room because he realized his only crime against him was accidentally mislabeling his X-Ray's?
this was in the same movie
his logic is retarded

god i wish that were me

The crimes committed by the captives would be considered under duress and they would not be fully responsible but instead the prime responsibility would go to those who coerced them and put them under duress. At the very least it is assisted homocide, and furthermore there are instances of direct murder as well. He leaves a man chained in a bathroom to starve to death and his skeleton confirms this the sequel. That is murder and even if he didn’t chain them directly, the fact that he knew they were in danger of death and did nothing to help or alert others to the danger and allowed him to die means they are responsible for the death. This was decided in a court case where a man was charged for allowing someone to drown without telling anyone, leading to a precedent being set in that regard
t. someone who took law, retard

>implying leaving stuff lying around is the same as hiring someone to kill someone
Lmao retard also hiring a hitman isn't even murder because YOU aren't killing him, see the trend brainlet? Just because it's bad doesn't mean its murder

Lmao I'm not reading your fucking novel also high school law doesn't count dipshit
MURDER = YOU KILLING SOMEOME

you can't handle the truth

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you know nothing of law and yet you arrogantly proclaim what is and is not classified as murder based on your own preconceived notions of something you haven’t studied? How very interesting

>user, for years you posted on the internet whining and complaining everytime someone had a morality that told them people should be punished for their wrongdoings
>inserted in your chest is a bomb powerful enough to kill you
>I have placed you in a room with a trolley, a short track with a switch halfway through, and 6 people. One track has only one person, the other has five. They are all faithful husbands with children, who are notably competant fathers and the warm center of their communities.
>in thirty minutes, the trolley will run along the line towards the switch
>attempt to remove the people from the line, you die. Attempt to remove the bomb, you die. Attempt to stop the trolley, you die.

reminder the literal fanservice they delivered at the end of the franchise with doctor gordon coming back
that was a literal nod to the fans, because it was obviously not thought to be that way in the slightest
not even mad

I have a bachelors already, kid. This is a rare opportunity for you to learn something without any personal responsibility or shame for being wrong due to your anonymity, and yet your immature pride prevents even this.

Explain how not killing someone is murder

>redditor worked into a seething shoot

Kek this guy gets it
t. law student
t. The guy laughing at all the ex (You)s

Look up Charles Manson, basically the same circumstances and yes, he was charged with first degree murder. And also he murdered the guy he chained in the bathroom via dehydration

>I have a bachelors already
kek so does the guy who serves me coffee every morning what's your point?

Not murder

Why is this board so dumb, bros?

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I’ve made it 3 times now and you keep ignoring it and saving face with this whole “I was only pretending to be retarded” routine because you’re 16. He commits murder directly by your own incorrect definition, and also the murders you think aren’t murders are also considered murders by the legal definition. I have done just about everything possible to prove my point including the citation of court cases. Have a nice day retard

Lmao y are you mad bro it's not murder

imagine being unironically 16 in 2019 and unironically doing the whole “I was only pretending to be retarded” routine. How embarrassing

KEK

Imagine not being able to tell when someone with a higher level of education is trolling you and writing a case brief in an attempt to flex your epeen while he screen caps you and laughs at you with his other law student friends

welcome to Yea Forums

>I was only pretending to be retarded
KYS yourself

that’s a convoluted way to say “I was pretending to be retarded.” Also I was very brief. You don’t want to know my verbose.

Lmao you guys are gonna make excellent law clerks one day, 2 sugar 2 cream

I'm sure there's a whole gang of lawyers pretending to be retarded for the lulz XD on Yea Forums

Imagine being critical of a study that is the basis for your entire society and country. A study that was so intrinsic to the American concept of public contribution to society and of the sovereignty of the people that it was taught as standard curriculum for most of our history and as a result we were the most legally-astute and well-read population on the planet. It is idiots like you who fail to grasp the important of philosophy and law and therefore your ignorance become the foundations of a failing republic. All citizens should be well read and well-informed on the faculties of their legal process for their own good and the good of the nation. You are an example of why that is so.

Why do you keep repeating yourself?

Lmao imagine still being mad over this also I didn't read that

hmmm

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I just like practicing my verbal ass-whooping, I’m not really mad. It is my job after all to make the common folk feel stupid and inferior and therefore in need of me

>thinking that proves anything
yikers

He never punished truly reprehensible people, did he? Like really, what is the worst crime any of his victims committed?

>Ben from lost
>orderly/nurse in a hotel
>callous doc comes by acting dismissively of a patient
>call him out that this is a person, with a name, and should be treated with some respect
>get shot up with "fast acting poison"
>told if he doesn't hold a mother and child hostage at gunpoint and threaten to murder them he's going to withold the antidote
>because he "let other people push him around"
What about the poor fucking guy jigsaw is testing the drill trap on?
How many people has he killed working out the bugs of his Rube Goldberg machines of angst?
Did they have a chance to learn a lesson and escape?
Jigsaw is a deranged cock holster.

since samefag accusations are the last card of a bad hand, I expect this is your endgame? It needs work, honestly it’s a pretty common trope at this point

DUDE SHE SHOULD HAVE LET HERSELF BE KILLED
EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE LMAO

>you lied about surviving my traps
>I'm gonna boil your wife alive
>Eat shit, faggot

2 had a real scumbag locked in the house

Everyone in Saw V was responsible for the death of several homeless people.

>the death of several homeless people

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There's nothing wrong with mob justice desu.
>illegal
>morality is dictated by legislation
Mega yikers dawg

why are these always the best threads?

jiga setting up his traps over trivial things
the pseuds arguing over morality
the whining over whats canon
thank you anons :)

Go live in some collectivist hellhole then, America was founded on the principle of the rule of law and the fundamental fear of mob justice

this poster most assuredly identifies as a communist, those fucks are retarded.

no it hasnt you dipshit

kek

moving into a lane early is considered rude? shit... i've always done this.

It's not rude, and hitting a bikie should earn you a fucking reward.

>run to nearest mosque/ghetto
fixed