The Great Debate

maybe, if ahsoka actually died.
also this scene is goat
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>travels through time behind you

I agree she should have stayed dead, but that doesn't make it not a great scene

Maul vs Old Kenobi was the peak.

this

>Obi-wan iterating twice to save Ahsoka, while Ahsoka looks scared the second time
>The look of worry on Obi-Wans face as Anakin starts summoning the force
>ON YOUR KNEES!
>Vader breathing
Kino.

What? Clone Wars is infinitely better. Rebels bored me.

Maul should have fucking stayed dead. It works as some non canon side story but actually bringing it into canon is fucking retarded

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Are these both being put on Disney+, or is it just TCW?

Grand Admiral Thrawn was also pretty good in Rebels.

>Mace Windu going Dragon Ball Z on an entire battle droid army with his bare hands.

Shit got a little silly. Grievous was awesome though.

I still need to watch the last season but I liked what I saw in his first appearance.

His new canon books are really good too. Better than his Rebels appearance at least

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>70 year old Kenobi beating Maul in two swings

The scene was amazing, but a slightly longer fight would have been better.

I started out hating it too, but now I'm glad they did it, his arc won me over. I think if the prequels were made again by George with the knowledge he has now they would've been the best movies. TCW was largely driven by George, and it gave us the best version of all the PT characters, the overall narrative of the PT and the setting is amazing.

I'll never understand the obsession with Ashoka. Besides her being a furry loli.

Not just in two swings. He baits him in repeating the same move that killed Qui Gon and counters it.

Ill admit it was a silly idea to bring him back in the first place, but his character arc and stories are absolutely fantastic so in the end it was definitely a good idea.

Especially now that he's dead for good and we don't have to worry about him being one of those "unkillable" characters like Ahsoka.
They brought him back, gave him a great arc, and killed him again. No harm done.

No, the pottery of that scene was amazing. It brought the characters to full circle and did them both justice.

I think it was Witwer's acting that ultimately won me over. Love me some Sam Witwer.

You are missing what made it so kino
See:

do you think he's pissed off because he doesn't have a dick? I mean, replacing your legs with robotic ones is all fine and easy in the star wars universe, but, you can't really replace a dick

You can tell great stories non canon. Just make it alternate universe or whatever. If they brought back Dooku and gave him a fantastic story it doesn't change the fact that bringing him back to life is fucking retarded still.

like helicopter lightsabers

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dooku is one of those brain jar monks now, only his spider walker allows him to wield eight light sabers

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My point is I think Lucas regretted a lot of his decisions in the prequels, but it's too late to fully remake them, so he retcons shit instead. I don't think star wars was worse for it though.

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What made TCW great was it was George and Filoni mutually keeping each other on a leash. Both absolute madmen with outlandish ideas, yet able to tell each other when something has been taken too far.

I think that shows in Rebels. It doesn't feel as creative as Clone Wars yet when it DOES do something new and weird it's taken too far like the time travel or lightsaber copters. I fully think that's due to George not being around

Clone Wars by a country mile. Rebels improved over the years but it never hit the same heights.

It's also the baiting part, he changes from his usual stance to Qui Gon's, which causes Maul to go for the same attack. What a great scene.

absolute trash. no substance and anime fights that belong in dragon ball, not sw. not to mention that the whole fucking thing is like an hour or two long.

I hope Favreau can do the same thing with Filoni on Mandalorian. It has the potential to be absolutely amazing.

But there was no reason NOT to make Maul coming back not canon. He was such a poorly utilized character before TCW. He deserves a good canon story.

Rebels was absolute garbage

it's like the clones being brainwashed by chips. It's a retarded change.

The conspiracy episode is really well done, and the clones having personality are great. But the entire thing undermines the whole clones aspect following orders no matter what they were just to cop them out to being pure good guys for the kids.

Based and red pilled.

just do a fucking prequel story to Maul like the books. Him becoming a Sith apprentice and the whole Black Sun shit.

>they added the exact same sound effect and ability for Anakin in BF2

Pure Kino

FPBP

Just a reminder that the Ghost crew were the main guys who help started the Rebel Alliance and never got mentioned in the OT despite being alive after RotJ. They dug their own hole

>What made TCW great was it was George and Filoni mutually keeping each other on a leash.
This isn't even remotely true. It was George that was keeping Dave on a leash. I think the helicopter lightsabers should be enough to prove that.

TCW is better because it has Ventress who makes my dick harder than a Plasteel Bulkhead on an ISD

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Yeah I definitely agree, it should've just been mental conditioning from a young age, and not a literal badman chip, but the show did get financed because it was made for children so what can you do.

what did filioni mean by this?

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I agree, the clones were blindly obedient to authority through genetic sequencing and conditioning, they shouldn't have had some bio chip of evil

That ahsoka is sexually assaulting someone younger than her

>implying that these two aren't the best girls (beside loli ashoka)

>Ghost crew were the main guys who help started the Rebel Alliance and never got mentioned in the OT
They weren't the "main guys". The rebellion is created of dozens or even hundreds of rebel cells all coming together. It's not just the ghost crew recruiting more and more people until they have a movement.
The characters in Rebels had no more of a hand in creating the rebellion as the rebel cell at the end of Solo did or Saw Gerraras partisans did. Hell, Rebels nails this fact home many times over.
The only reason they had even slightly more help than most was because the rebellion logo was partially designed by them (inconsequential) and they had direct contact with Senator Organa, who already HAD started his own rebellion at this time

forgot pic

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rebels added literally nothing of value to the universe

clone wars expanded on the good things of the prequels like worldbuilding, concepts, characters, etc and in some cases actually outdid the prequels when it came to things like how anakin and his friendship with obi wan is shown, as well as his very gradual slip to the dark side. it is a better show in every conceivable way.

the clone wars really made me dislike anakin more overall, he was really dumb

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Clone Wars by far.
Rebels was a good premise that focused on the wrong people. It should have been about Kanan discovering and training Ezra, while on the run. They shouldnt have known the Ghost crew. Maybe they they help each other out once or twice, but they dont live together.

explaining how the rebellion got started adds nothing of value?

JFC user. you're a fucking moron.

OP, how is this even a question?
Rebels is dogshit. Nothing gets accomplished. Ezra is quietly swept under the rug at the end of the series, along with what was going to be the saving grace of the late seasons(Thrawn)
Even the villain of the week if TCW built some characters and worked for what it was. Rebels was more like bumbling idiot imperials let those pesky rebels get away again, see you next week to see the governor/insert bad guy imperial here fail again to a padawan, reject jedi, pilot girl, mandatory mandalorian insert, and jive talking strongman.

To add, I'm one of those people that think the prequels are more "okay" than horrible or worst thing ever made. There is truly great direction, visual storytelling, worldbuilding, characters, and concepts, all sorts of countless new things that they introduced to the universe that are just great, and in all three films no less. Actually, I kinda feel Revenge of the Sith is good in its own way. There's just too many good things in it for me to shit on it.

I can't help but feel like they only made the change because they wanted a copout/definitive answer as to why clones don't think for themselves. Characters like that super old clone on Kamino would definitely not be the kind to blindly follow orders to slaughter Jedi just because it's what palpatines said. This avoids that kind of contradiction entirely.

Not that I disagree that it's stupid, I just see why they did it. Having no chip borderline creates a continuity error considering how much some clones looked up to the jedi

Not even the OP you are questioning, but
Holy shit are you being serious user? Lol
I cant believe people like you still browse Yea Forums I bet you thought TLJ was great

lol why do you need an explanation as to how the rebellion is started

it isn't even done well either, for nearly the entirety of the show there's no stakes and it makes the empire look like scooby doo tier "villains" incapable of doing even the most simple of tasks

really the only good thing the show accomplished is ending maul's arc but even that was arguably disappointing, just as thrawn was

Kanan and Hera training/raising a teenage Ezra would have been so much better.
Every other character on the ghost can fuck off.

TLJ was fine

they can look up to the jedi, and at the same time have no qualms with killing them, that's the point to which their humanity has been compromised being that they're engineering bio robots. That's what's so much more powerful about it.

Who the fuck cares about how the rebellion formed? We knew so much about them already and they did not one interesting thing with the story that it wasn't at all worth it. It was just another lazy and safe bet on bland and boring easy storytelling instead of something actually new. Even when they bring in new characters like Maul, Thrawn, the clones, etc they just continually waste them time and time again.

I'm more or less in the same boat as you, I think the overall setting and storyline of the prequels are really good, personally better than the OT. But the execution isn't up to par, I think of the prequel era very fondly, but it's more to do with side material such as 501st log, republic commando and all the material outside the movies that, specially TCW cartoon shows us what George intended with the prequels to begin with, how he wasn't able to get that across in the early 2000s is beyond me.

Why didn't they search for this guy once they knew he was alive?

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>It's been said that the 501st got the best of the war. We also got the worst. On Felucia, the Seps dug their metal heels into the muck of that alien hellhole and dared the Republic to come in after them. So we did, only to be met with the month after month of flesh-eating diseases, shrieking nocturnal predators, and other sights that haunt me to this day. Cut off and for all we knew abandoned by our superiors, our only hope was Aayla Secura, our Jedi commander. Without her iron will, none of us would have come out of that mess with our sanity, or our lives. When her death came, I hope it was quick. She earned that much.
>When the 501st was finally rotated out of Felucia, Aayla Secura made a point of seeing us off personally, calling us the bravest soldiers she had ever seen. It's a good thing we were wearing helmets, because none of us could bear to look her in the eye.

It's clearly because they wanted to keep Rex a good guy and needed a reason for him to be special over the other clones

I like all Star Wars

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This image sets EUfags and edgy Nu-Disneylards SEETHING
They just can't stand anybody to live and get happy endings

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Exactly, this is showcased decently in the 501st journal from battlefront 2 (2005) in my opinion, while they looked up to the jedi, revered them even, they were conditioned, literally brainwashed into thinking of them as traitorous scum. They were as much in the dark as the senate was when Palpatine said the jedi betrayed the republic.

They didn't know. He only appears to Ezra in a force vision

>What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word.

>With the fall of Coruscant and the elimination of the traitorous Jedi, Palpatine's rise to power was complete. In recognition of our service and loyalty to the Emperor, the 501st were placed under the direct command of Lord Vader. Armed with deadly new weapons, blazing new ships, and shiny new armor, our presence let the galaxy know that the days of the Old Republic were well and truly over. We were establishing a new era, an era of order and peace. An era of The Empire

Me too. I hate how negative this board had become to one of my favorite franchises.

Glad to see more and more positive threads popping up finally

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the neimoidian slime looks too dignified

To quote the old /swco/

Sabine is >flat and Hera gave birth to a literal El Goblino

If it weren't for Dave Filoni, Nu-Lucasfilm would have slaughtered every last character from TCW and Rebels based on the idiotic notion that IF THEY DIDN'T APPEAR IN THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY, THEY MUST BE DEAD, BECAUSE THERE IS NO GALAXY FURTHER THAN 10 FEET FROM THE HEROES

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personally I think the prequel era is vastly more interesting than the OT era

the problem with the movies ultimately comes down to execution every time, george just isn't good at things like dialogue (he admits this himself, he said he would just make silent films if he could) and he could've used a little help with the story although I think that was mostly fine. the visuals were amazing conceptually but the cg at the time just wasn't really there for it, so while there was a good bit of practical effects and sets they could've done themselves some good and had some more. I feel if george had just oversaw the trilogy while getting people to help him write the scripts and direct the movie instead of just doing it all himself with yes-men to tell him everything he's doing is gold, we would've gotten movies even better than the OT.

conceptually, everything in the prequels is just great. things like coruscant, the clones, kashyyk, kamino, geonosis, they were all dreams of george since the OT and i think he made them work even though they can look ugly here and there. and now they're part of the universe forever, and we'll always remember them. i'll certainly always remember the fucking clone troopers first before the bland first order guys.

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The threads are generally positive if they aren't about nuwars. How one can claim to love star wars and not feel a modicum of anger in the face of the complete mutilation of its corpse is beyond me.

The sequel trilogy is complete ass conceptually and story-wise so it's impossible for me to be anything but negative about it. I love everything about Star Wars besides that era though.

Filoni locking the characters from Rebels and TCW alive Post-ROTJ was the biggest fuck you to nu-Lucasfilm you could have made, who seek to do everything to tear down what Star Wars is

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Star Wars is a nonlinear franchise. Every character has to die eventually.

Aksoka was given a perfect and poetic death for her character and it made even the hardest ahsoka fans happy.
Now she's back to life for no reason other than being a fan favorite. There is nothing left to do with the character so she's destined to die offscreen and we will never get a proper explanation to her fate despite her perfect death already being written and then undone

>Aksoka was given a perfect and poetic death for her character and it made even the hardest ahsoka fans happy.
she was never dead you blind fucking dumbass conspiralard

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I'm 90% sure she will show up in episode IX to train rey or something stupid like that.

She's a cool character, sympathetic, edgy in a realistic way. Her being a girl only means I may want to plow her, but it's not like your usual situation with something on tv - I'd like to meet and date her before plowing her. Because I actually enjoy her character.

Sabine is one of the worst characters in Star Wars history.

As morbidly awful and cringe as the sequel era and films are, I'm excited for the Mandalorian. Everything about it is sounding pretty cool.

It's got a western aesthetic, it sounds like it's basically just ripping the plot of the cancelled Boba Fett movie and taking place on Tattooine, it has guys like Dengar and IG-88 and it's got a really high budget like a live action Star Wars series deserves. And Pedro Pascal. I'm optimistic.

the worst star wars characters in history have only been created post-disney, minus jar jar binks

really makes you think huh

t. a faggot that only likes characters that have cool light sabers.

This IS a nuwars thread and it's generally very positive.

You don't have to like the movies, but I suggest giving the sequel trilogy another chance in the form of it's books and comics. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Pic related is about the Galaxy slowly transforming into what we see in Episode 7 and fills in the important political details that JJ left out.

I was a lot like you. I hated the new movies and era with such a passion, but I realized the era actually is much more interesting and fleshed out than I thought. What I REALLY hate is JJ and Johnson making shit movies.

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The sad thing about the PT is that they used a ton of practical effects. I think someone said George insisted on using digital before it was developed properly so everything looks fake and shit, George cared equally much about pioneering visual technology as he did about making a good movie.
I agree that the prequel era is better than the OT one, though I wish that instead of being purely clones vs droids the separatists should've consisted of armies from separatist worlds, and droids should've been supplementary forces. I also think itd be better if the republic had a standing army before the clones, but it would be largely sidelined as these clones showed up with the most advanced armors, weaponry and ships. TCW does a good job of making #clonelivesmatter, but i think itd be cool to see clones hating on the "regulars" and the regular army hating on clones. I THINK, im not entirely sure, this is somewhat covered in the republic commando game, or one of the commando novels. Iirc one of the delta squad members calls nonclones inferior when it comes to combat or somesuch.

not that the ST isn't shit, but you seriously have rose tinted glasses if you don't think the EU stooped to the same depths

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It really isn't though. Nuwars generally refers to the sequel movies. You could even toss "star wars resistance" under it, and there is no discussion about it.
In fact going purely by this thread the general consensus seems to be that rebels is mostly inferior to TCW, but it does have a couple high peaks.

Sabine has the definition of a cool lightsaber. It's a literal one of a kind black lightsaber. So your statement is both incorrect and fucking retarded.

I'm ready for The Mandalorian to be the best piece of Star Wars content since the buyout. It's set up to succeed in a great way. Especially with everyone on the project saying it's going to bring star wars back to it's dirty roots (I hate how clean and sterile everything in the sequel trilogy is.)

Set your expectations though. It's definitely not about Boba Fett since this takes place after he died.

not him but it shouldn't be up to books and comics to make an era actually interesting. with the OT and PT there were actually great concepts that laid out groundwork and foundation for EU works to do some cool stuff with. here, it seems like they have to do ALL the work since the ST did none of it.

if you just watch the sequel trilogy movies (like me) there is absolutely nothing of intrigue there. it is as bland, safe and boring as it gets with not a hint of interesting worldbuilding. every single aspect of their world is conceptually bland or ripped off from something far better. there's no fix for that.

I maintain that Rebels is just as good as TCW, but sour grapes from the Disney fiasco and the cancellation of TCW, as well as general edginess and thinking Star Wars is a MATURE FILM FOR MATURE FILMERS SUCH AS MYSELF colors people's opinions of it before they watch it

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no one unironically thinks the EU didn't have its fair share of garbage the EU stuff always still felt like star wars, i cant say the same for characters like rey, finn, rose, holdo, that fat opera singing thing, that stuttering faggot, maz, etc

Eh, I watched the first two seasons and I hated almost every second of it. I just kept giving it chances because Filoni was involved and I like TCW. I wouldn't be surprised if that went for most of the people in this thread.

i've watched the entirety of both and it isn't

the writing and overall themes of rebels aren't anywhere near up to par with tcw and the stakes are consistently pathetically low until the very end. it is very kiddy for at least half the show, and to the show's detriment.

gendy's clone wars > tcw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rebels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a literal flaming dog turd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that new resistance cartoon

hopefully mandalorian is good

Also the thing about the EU is that its a sideshow attraction. The way the old EU worked meant that literally anyone could write w/e and submit it to Lucasarts, and as long as it didn't contradict anything or was an obvious troll (though i think some may have snuck by) it would be accepted into the canon. Old EU was something of a pick and choose. Now everything is controlled by Disneys iron hand, they are solely responsible for all star wars content, and they should justly bear the responsibility for it.

>it shouldn't be up to books and comics to make an era actually interesting.
Oh I don't disagree by any means. I'm not defending TLJ or especially TFA by saying this. In fact, I resent them even more for leaving out such important context that only ended up in the books.

However looking at the broad picture, at the Start Wars universe beyond that movies, the Sequel era has a lot going for it. Its upsetting how many people disregard it just because it's the era that the new movies take place.

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There was a lot of good in the EU - like the early 2000s video games, Shadows of the Empire, and the Boba Fett cartoon from the Holiday Special - but there was also an overwhelming pile of absolute garbage.
There's also a lot of good in the NU - like Rebels, Zahn's new Thrawn books, the Lando comic - but again there's also a lot of really offensively bad schlock being shilled at us.
Better to just take the good and ignore the bad.

The sequel era literally just restored the status quo of the OT. It isn't distinguishable from the OT in any way other than time. Hot fucking garbage.

i just can't invest time into a world that has been painted so poorly by the movies it originates from

mandalorian will be taking place in the era so it'll be the only other thing i'll give it a chance in, and it does sound good so we'll see

>the writing and overall themes of rebels aren't anywhere near up to par with tcw and the stakes are consistently pathetically low until the very end. it is very kiddy for at least half the show, and to the show's detriment.
It's literally made by all the exact same people as TCW, and
STAR WARS IS FOR 12 YEAR OLDS

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Honestly looking back, the EU had higher highs but definitely just as low lows. If not, lower.

>I'm now old enough to not be able to relate to zoomer nostalgia
Tartakovsky's Clone Wars is the only Star Wars cartoon I've enjoyed.

DESU I think people exaggerate how shit a lot the old EU had. Maybe when it was just the OT, but I think by the time Star Wars was at its height around episode III's release, there was a lot of great stuff releasing. Hell, even up to right before Disney bought Star Wars there was a bunch of great stuff coming out, Clone Wars was still being made until the mouse cancelled it.

lol this has always been the dumbest argument. I like how you're not to criticize something because DURRRRRRRRRR IT'S FOR KIDS DUDE but in the same vain you can act like it's high art and suck it's dick all day like an embarrassing manchild. get real

Wouldn't you be pissed if you were in the star wars universe with no dick and couldn't slam all the twilek puss?

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Clone Wars wasn't EU any more than the 6 mainline movies were
and need I remind you of
>Jedi Prince
>the Mando Travissty
>The Force Unleashed 2
>TORtanic
>the entire Yuuzhan Vong
>Legacy

>The sequel era literally just restored the status quo of the OT. It isn't distinguishable from the OT in any way other than time
See, that's exactly what I thought at first too because it's the way the movies make it seem. Under the hood though, everything is completely different with radically different contexts and dynamics.
I feel like people would have an easier time realizing that if JJ just kept some of the backstory in his movie like he originally intended to. It was all cut and shoved into novels.
Either that or radically different designs. It makes sense in-universe, but I'm still rolling my eyes at xwings, tie fighters, and ATATs still being the face of the Galaxy.

That's fair. I'm not really here to convince anyone to read a book they don't want to read or force them to try to like something that is so tainted by movies that they hate. I just feel like the era deserves a second chance.

Maybe the Mandalorian will be the push people need

i bet you unironically like TLJ and think that plot holes dont matter

Rebels was never good. It adds nothing to the Star Wars universe.

nope, it's shit and plot holes do matter!
Fortunately, Rebels is not shit, and has no plot holes.

Yeah fuck the sequel era no one gives a shit about that. Literally OT but with shittier characters shittier villains shittier locations shittier everything not to mention stuffed chock full of propaganda

Based.
Remember that Grievous in 2008 CW get beat by fucking jar jar and some other gungans.

I admittedly haven't read anything from the ST, but at this point I honestly don't believe you and I doubt I can be convinced. Disney completely soured Star Wars for me.

So fucking good. Imagine if literally everyone was competent in Star Wars then turn it into a cartoon, what an idea

God OG BF2 is so based. Star wars will never be this good ever again. Too much damage has been done not just from the movies but the inside of who's running it.

>I admittedly haven't read anything from the ST
I have, and don't. There is good content to be read in new canon comics and novels, but they aren't ST era related, they're all PT and OT.

>It's literally made by all the exact same people as TCW
And? Are you retarded? You realize it was on a completely different channel with different policies as to what you can show, yes? And no, not every single writer returned.

Also pretty embarrassing that you have to use the "it's for kids" argument for something you're defending. Not really making yourself look any good there.

I love star wars up until Disney bought it. It was the buyout that got me into the EU and I'm loving it

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Bloodlines and Phasma are solid imo. Worth checking out.

Just stay away from the Aftermath trilogy. Absolute hot fucking trash.

>See, that's exactly what I thought at first too because it's the way the movies make it seem. Under the hood though, everything is completely different with radically different contexts and dynamics.
The problem is the sequel movies don't event hint at any of this stuff. Having some of it in the movie to capture your imagination is essential to making the EU stuff work because it feels like it fits in better, it's what made the prequels have a somewhat positive legacy because the rich background stuff in the films provided the basis for the EU stories that came out of the era.

But the sequels are just running from battlefield to battlefield with virtually nothing new or interesting so the EU stuff that comes out just feels like a completely different universe or fan fiction rather than an extension of what we've seen on the big screen, it's not under the hood but rather a completely different hood.

as a long EU guy I kind of felt they lost the plot in the vong arc and departed after the last novel was released in it, but that's just me.

>Sabines Lightsaber

THE DARKSABER IS A CLAN VIZLA RELIC AND YOU KNOW IT, GOOD THING BO KATAN NOW OWNS IT

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The third aftermath book is actually great. It's just not worth slogging through the trash of the first two to experience.

Regardless I don't know if I'd actually consider them ST books. They are much more centered around the final days of the empire.

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and that is what is wrong with the films

they aren't star wars, they have objectively failed at being star wars films. star wars films are supposed to give you a grand scope of worldbuilding, a look at the universe and a sense of adventure and character. they have failed on every front. without that, how can anyone possibly be inspired to go look at the EU content which is, as you say, barely even in the same universe considering the movies themselves give no attention to anything like it?

god i fucking hate these films, baffles me how people can defend them or act like they're true star wars

Like the Knights of Ren are a good example, them just being named and in a five second clip does nothing. If we actually saw Kylo talk to them or give them orders like we probably will in IX, it gives them much more life and gets people excited for any EU stuff involving them.

isn't this the book that has the xhe/zer pronouns lol

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this show is the only reason people like Grievous

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that embarrassing little thought piece on the right is the gayest and most so󠛡y filled thing i have ever read in my life

That's the book before it, Life Debt.

Disney told the author to cool his fucking jets with the politics by the time the third book came out, which he did for the most part.
Still kept being a kike on Twitter though, which is eventually what got him fired from writing SW content and now his upcoming comic was given to a new author.

The show exaggerated Grievous. Going toe to toe with several jedi masters is stupid, he was always about ambushing and isolating weaker jedi, using stealth and surprise. Whenever the gig is up he should always seek to flee. TCW did this better, instead of him being an unstoppable one man army like in the Genndy cartoon.

lol

BTFO

Please don't parade SW's corpse before me.

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The Nu EU it's fucking trash without any good story beyond Zhan so no go and kill yourself retard

See
Aftermath and Life Debt are seriously 2 of the worst star wars books ever written, but as someone who calls it like I see it, the third book is actually pretty solid and follows a much more interesting and important storyline. Not to mention just straight up better writing. None of that baby babble like in your picture

>the Sequel era has a lot going for it.
Except literally doesn't have anything going for it

Quit being a closeminded faggot and maybe your parents will love you again

Repite with me I'm a colossal faggot that literally shill for Nu Wars

>a massive robot covered in armor with four arms, a lightsaber collection and heavy spider legs shouldn't be able to dispatch multiple jedi at once
ok retard

>it's bad for a villain to be intimidating and unstoppable

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I also like how TCW made Grievous a clownish buffoon that could be defeated by a gang of half-witted gungans. Very cool. Certainly better than the cartoon that made him look like an actual threat. Very cool indeed.

What the fuck is this a page from his diary?

still shit

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Even when the sequels put out new stuff like Snoke, Phasma or Maz Kanata, either a) the design is really fucking bad and uninteresting or b) the character's actions are boring and uncool.

It's why characters like Aayla and Plo Koon became fan favorites just because they're visually cool and were part of an important emotional scene in a main saga film.

It's actually incredibly interesting how they managed to fuck so much up, aka why watching Youtube critiques of the sequels is so addicting and the most joy I get from the new movies.

Soo a giant Android that basically can run all he wants and don't feel exhausted, have 4 fucking arms with 4 sabers can spin theses like crazy, have strong legs that allow him to fucking climb what he want couldn't kill some jedis? yeah no the only way a jedi could defeat him it's the way Mace did aka using the force and don't being impressed of him, the movies and the clone wars nerfed him so hard that he was another character and yet you still have some Clone Wars episodes where they were trying to make him more like the Old Clone wars show because they knew that's what people want

the ability to wield four lightsabers is insignificant to the power of the force, which he hasn't got

He says that and uses the word poopbaby. Least self aware thing I've ever seen

Only good Star Wars prequel shit sadly

that's his only weakness

four lightsabers, with expert swordsman skill, means a lot when you can use it right. it was wasted in episode 3 obviiously though

>tfw I read that as Chuck.
I've been on this site too long.

No force powers to speak of, and it's pretty clearly established that the force trumps everything else. The way he can deal with lesser jedi in TCW, but flees when faced with masters, such as Kit Fisto etc, is a better representation than some anime tier ultra powerful death robot.
Not at all what I said. But he can be intimidating without being unstoppable, being a jedi hunter and specializing in finding ways to isolate and prey on jedis fears instead of being an unstoppable force immune robot that 1v4s with absolutely no issue.

it doesn't amount to much when every jedi can see his moves telegraphed long before he makes them

Are you fucking retarded? He did exactly what you said in the Gendy cartoon. He ambushed the first screaming jedi, then killed the big guy by catching him off guard in smoke.

I hope Fordo appears on the assault on coruscant in the next season, jesus christ...

Dude the sequel movies are bad but the new EU rules!

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Nah, Genndy just exaggerated those traits in Grievous to the point they were retarded. More stealth, more fear tactics, less outdueling several masters out in the open. Obi Wans saber duel with Grievous highlights pretty well how "mere mortals" stack up to the force when trying to meet it head on. Jedi literally see the next couple of seconds and have heightened reflexes. No amount of limbs is gonna change that.

based. CGI fags can fuck off

Well everyone was exaggerated there to be honest

I really really really want to nuke this planet

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that duel with obi wan was retarded though

it has nothing to do with skill, it makes grievous look like a bumbling moron who's never fought a jedi in his life. either that or no one's ever thought to swipe at his hands before

Overall I'd have to say Clone Wars, but Rebels had some kino af moments

A nigga cried when Kanan sacrificed himself to save the Ghost Crew

is this dare I say a terra sue?

>the greatest pilot in the galaxy

*blocks your gender neutral path*

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dude just open your mind the new EU is as good as the old one and even more!

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Not really, spinning his swords in the face of a regular jedi knight would've put them off, itd be an effective scare tactic to make them lose focus and make it harder for them to predict his movements with their precog. Obi-Wan however isn't a novice, so he calmly relies on the force and nullifies Grievous completely. A recurring theme in star wars is that you literally can't beat the force head on, you need to employ underhanded tactics to gain an advantage.

The contingency is cool though

This isn't that bad. I'm all for weird and varied planets.

Top kek

This

Grievous' primary weapons are Suprise and Fear

If he goes against an opponent who knows his moves and doesnt fear him, grievous WILL lose

This is why Obi beats him all the time and Ventress kicks his ass

it's literally doesn't make any sense for Sheev to do that and for the remain imperial obey that stupid thing, it's basically dude we need to kill the empire without putting any trouble to the rebels and then Disney can have the FO because...

None of these were good.
The only post EU stuff was the Thrawn Books and the X-Wing book series.

It makes sense for palpatine.
>If an Empire cannot protect its Emperor then that Empire must be deemed a failure. It collapses not only because its central figure is gone, but because it must not be allowed to remain.
Completely in character for him.

You are right though that it doesn't make a ton of sense for imperials to follow his order through, but not as many did as it may seem. Plenty of imperial remants went awol, attempted to carry on as the new emperor, straight up disobeyed, or took his orders in their own way.

If Sheev was thinking about the possibility of dying before his time come out then the Sheev clone makes more sense

Based Tartakovsky-poster

Luuuuuuuke

>The sheev clone makes more sense.

Yeah I agree, but the new canon hasnt really tackled the concept of cloning force users yet. There is a good chance it's not possible or there is some other reason palpy didn't do it.

If fucking Snoke can corrupt Kylo in the womb making a clone of yourself and trespassing your mind doesn't seem so hard in comparison

Wish we got a scene like this instead of "NOOOOOOO"

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its a nice painting but that wouldnt work for a scene

who is this beautiful female jedi? she looks like wife material

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Just you wait. With the reveal at the end of Solo, and the constant need for Disney to milk the Star Wars cash cow, there's gonna be more story with him, and maybe Kenobi in the future

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>poorly animated
>a few minutes long
This catered to the retarded Youtube crowd before Youtube became big

I could see it work, but instead of him walking towards it, since it's at the end of the movie it should be him walking away from the tomb as he is fully embracing Vader.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree
not that it's good, but it's not without precedent

>The decree was deliberately disobeyed by Albert Speer

so they turned Speer into a cute pooinloo girl

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Hera is also FLAT

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his father still did it so no

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dem thighs tho

God dammit user, not you from /swg/

>Its upsetting how many people disregard it just because it's the era that the new movies take place.

Give me reasonably deep post about the stories that you like, elaborating on their good qualities because I have read it all until 2018 and it is all simply underwhelming.
Most ideas are retreads of stuff from old EU books with names changed that might as well have happened during the imperial remnant war. The few new things like Cardinal, the brainwashed Stormtrooper commander and how he sees the world make up just a couple of paragraphs since he is only a supporting character in a story about Phasma and her Mad Max planet clashing immensely with the incompetent portrayal of the character in the movies.

They are too fearful of establishing things of consequence or worth that might end up inhibiting the movie writers creative freedom.
But the Disney books still established the First Order to build its own shit in the Unknown Regions while the Resistance uses extra old scraps and surplus of the New Republic and then Rian had to awkwardly shit his war profiteer angle in there that makes no sense in that context. Even in the currently pathetic puddle of content there is no consistency.
But yes, great Nu-EU. Just look at how every single fucking story has to shoehorn in a reference to the Battle of Jakku because making up at least a second other important event is just too much work. Also pretty funny how Scarif and Jakku simply take up the place of Yavin IV and Endor from the old EU, just so I can have it easier to claim that Disney wants to slowly replace everything from the old Star Wars and rewrite history with their stupid new names on their own terms.

But if it weren't for Sabine, we wouldn't have the amazing Mandalore arc

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Shit, got her and Satine confused, never mind.

The new Canon is so bad that the Star Wars youtubers only talks about the old EU that tells you alot

>that end of Rebels with Satine and the JUST haircut

kino desu

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>satine

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>both were kino
No!
TCW could be kino at times, but the only great scene in Rebels was the Ahsoka vs Vader

Also, I'm still angry at Anakin's characterization in some episodes and even angrier at manchildren who think he's better Anakin than movie Anakin

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wtf did Lucas wrote that?!

It is a better Anakin than movie Anakin. It shows his dark side tendencies without hammering it over your head.
Like the time he stabs the guy holding a detonator in the back, for Anakin it was the only obvious choice to make and he didn't even hesitate.

Dave Filoni is basically George Lucas' T-800 infiltrating Disney, acting out his will

>when he does that and a few notes of the imperial march play

Kino

you didn't understand that scene

TCW does a thoroughly good job with Anakin. Adding Ahsoka was a stroke of brilliance, as it further showed a recurring theme of Anakin being unable to let people go, like the time on Geonosis when Ahsoka and Barris were stuck under rubble.
Also his tendency to give into his emotions, like during the Obi-Wan undercover arc, Anakin is so pissed off at the whole situation that it seeps into his fight with Dooku, I love the fear on Dookus face when Anakin starts fighting with his rage.

youtube.com/watch?v=eQATBFIZ13o i love this scene

a lot of love went into this scene

dooku and sideous must have a lot of fun with this good guy bad guy game

You all agree that this is shit, right? I haven't watched it so I wouldn't know first hand.

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Im subscribed to multiple channels that talk mostly about the canon. What are you talking about?

Nobody has watched it. I'm not going to bother at least until season 2 is out and I know if it actually picks up the pace

Havent watched it and wont watch it. Probably not gonna bother with anything new star wars releases unless they literally attach George Lucas' name to the poster.

>Im subscribed to multiple channels that talk mostly about the canon

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What a pointless response

post the channels

-1

>Im subscribed to multiple channels that talk mostly about the canon
you can't be this pathetic not even a master baiter could write that

this, so fucking much this

So are we all hyped for the final season of TCW? Will this be the one thing that Disney doesn't fuck up?

Star Wars Explained
Star Wars Theory
Dash Star but he moved onto a broader audience recently with Marvel content
That's just off the top of my head I guess. I really only watch Explained

We still have to see that

I also bring little star wars figures with me to class to play with when they have the video about sexual fertilization

In his defense SW Theory talks about OT and PT lore a lot too

show me with the finger where's Rey

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I said canon content. Not explicitly sequel trilogy stuff. It says "CANON" right in your screencap, silly willy.

Do you watch reaction videos too?

Are you actually retarded?

finger rey?

>Are you actually retarded?
say the guy who unironically watch X Explained videos

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That's not me. I just think it's funny how quickly you dismaned your own argument.

>Aksoka was given a perfect and poetic death for her character
really? you think killing a quiky and cute kid that you grow to care for for 7 seasons of a family friendly tv show is the perfect ending?
Asoka needed to live and venture into the galay or something. She has an amazing origin story, she grew up among the best warriors of the galaxy, fought in the clone wars, apprentice of Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Her accomplish nothing.

Her death*
fuck me

>cope

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it's pottery when you consider the closing words of that passage best describe nuwars, "a prolonged monotone fart."

Rebels was fucking trash. How can anyone like it? The episodic format and general all around Disneyfication of the show hurt it immensely.

The only watchable parts of it were the season finales since Filoni&co actually put some effort into them. Everything else was a waste of time and shouldn't have been made at all.

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do they think this is a gotcha?

>Look at this book you have never read!

Uh, what?

Hidalgo is so fucking based

jesus

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Those channels talk about EU content more than canon content.

Fucking kek he's right though.

Imagine if Disney announced that the new Star Wars Book was fucking called
Young Jedi Knights: The Diversity Alliance

There would be more video essays about it than grains of sand on a beach

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Star Wars Theory is about 50/50
Dash Star was like 90 percent canon
Explained is almost exclusively canon

Clone Wars is considered both Canon and EU since it was running before Disney bought Star Wars.

>3 white people, 1 wookie
We all know which side would really throw a fit over it about not 'real' diversity

>A ginger
>A spic
>And a women

They are hardly "people" let alone white

Darth Vader doesn't have a dick either so it seems to be a running theme among the Sith. Except for Sheev, of course.

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I think Anakin was basically autistic.

SW Rebels added more Disney shit to the universe. Space Aladdin, the Bendu, the lightsaber helicopter, the Death Troopers turned into a joke, etc.
TCW was kino.

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>but I suggest giving the sequel trilogy another chance in the form of it's books and comics
no

Rebels being a Disney product really hurted the writing. The Empire never got an episode where they succeed, hell, even Thrawn lost everytime. The way the handled the Death Troopers was pathetic, 5 of them got owned by Space Aladdin and his tumblr girlfriend.

IT AINT ME

>Hurted

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What are you talking about? Thrawn won everytime. The rebels got there ass handed to them everytime and barely made it out alive. If disney did anything right it was Thrawn's character.

Can't believe they made it non-canon, it's the best shit

ya this is retarded. But no more retarded than ewok's riding an imperial scooter.

The characters strengths were all wacked out anyway. Windu was taking on entire armies by himself.
It would never work as canon given what we know about the characters in the movies

The only thing that is absolute trash is your opinion, in particular how only one battle was DB like.

>Thrawn won everytime
Come on. He designed a new Tie, the ship gets taken and destroyed by the mandalorian tumblr girl.
He lost everything, Filoni didn't have the guts to let him win the fight so he had him disappear in space/time with Space Aladdin.
There's also a reason why Tarkin didn't stay more than 2 seasons, he would've turned into the equivalent of Hux, a parody.

>Poorly animated
I cannot take you at face value.

hey user, wich critiques do you recommend? I find them cathartic

They did an amazing casting job with the right one, those guys look just like Hayden Christiansen and Ewan McGregor

MauLer is the big one and if you don't mind this guy being a Plinkett copycat, his review is longer and just came out and was a fun watch
youtube.com/watch?v=9Ugp8F7KefE

Clone Wars was EU and canon because it had the G canon

My apologies user, I'm not from an english-speaking country.

And I as a long EU guy never cared about OT and post OT thing because these looked like pure trash with these realistic portraits

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It could work as exaggerated war stories. Like for example the Mace Windu one could have been told by the kid who saw Mace Windu battle on dantooine.

rebels added literally nothing of value except this qt
fact

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Yet it was better than the prequel films.

Not hard when there are 3 lines of dialog per episode and the rest of the show is your favorite characters™ doing flips

Nah it was absolute powerwankery. Some episodes were good, Dirge vs Obi wan was pretty cool, and some of the clone stuff was cool. Anakins trial of spirit was also good.

holy fuck is this real? my sides are in orbit.

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I never really watched Rebels, but I love the heck out of TCW. It adds so much to the prequels since the movies lacked the time to do it, and just showed you"Here's how we got to Star Wars" The clones are great and it really shows a larger conflict, and when I mean conflict I mean full scale wars, unlike the rebel alliance which was really a bunch of guerrilla warfare tactics. The clone wars really captured that, and really expanded on how impacting war is. Wish they brought back the Zillo Beast.

watch rebels. you won't regret it.

>tfw I got Uncle Ethan to read it during one of his livestreams.

Since we are giving opinions here. I watched the first season of rebels and regret it. Since then I just watched the Obi-Wan killing Maul scene and Vader vs Ahsoka on youtube.

Cool, I don't mind him being a copy of Plinkett, speacially because I think RLM kinda fucked up the last 2 reviews, Mike should have waited un till Disney was done destroying SW.

That is season 2 and 3.

Well i didnt watch that long because it sucked

Siege of Lothal was better.

>Vader beats the absolute shit out of the two protagonist Jedi to the point where they can't even touch him and have to run away
>Vader clearly wasn't even trying

I just bought both DVDs of this not too long ago. Have yet to watch them, but if my memory from years ago serves, they were really awesome.

The animation is so fucking comical though. Such a downgrade from the later tcw seasons

I like this, because gre Grevious and Dirge, but the new clone wars had Savage and Maul, who I love

well, most people read books, not the cover art, I can't really say it matters if you don't like what it looks like

I'm still mad Ahsoka survived that. Such fucking bullshit.

Clone Wars. That's the only show that did pre-Vader Anakin right

Well as a kid I saw these covers and the first through was *man this looks like trash* and surprise surprise I was right when people complain about the old EU they always talk about the OT and post OT era

Rebels and Rogue One did a great job with Vader.

youtube.com/watch?v=Nr7ufR7utEo

Clone Wars was great. Rebels had some interesting stuff but my biggest problem through basically all of it was the shitty characters. Ezra especially was such an unlikable cunt that it constantly took me out of enjoying the show. The character designs were also seriously lacking for the most part. A lot of the faces just look off.

well, you're not

>slaves could not be brought near to the planet
>Republic had outlawed slavery
>New Republic also outlawed slavery
>this leaves the Empire
And the Empire would give two shits about their local rules why?

Yes, they did, but I'm talkin Anakin. He actually sounds like he's having some *fun* instead of just being "muh tortured and demented and mopey". Not even the old Clone Wars show got him right.

design wise only Kanan and Hera are good and they are basically a Kyle and Jan rework

She is Filoni's waifu. The end of the show is awful because of that. He brought the time portals into the story just to save her.

From the main cast yeah. I did like adult Ahsoka and old Maul was also pretty good.

>the old jedis legends remained alive in spite of the jedi purge
And this planet wasn't the first target of the Death Star becauseeeeeee?

>youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
I preferred this one, though it's not Anakin. One of the few times, if not the only one, where Palpatine goes and does something. And he's just laughing the whole time. Even shadowy masterminds like to cut loose every now and again.

what's a good starting point for EU books?

>it became one of Luke's first destinations when he began studying the history of the jedi order
THE FORCE IS FEMALE SHITLORD

Everything by Karen Traviss

All of the dark horse comics

Because the empire isn't sexist.

Thrawn Trilogy. It's the backbone of the EU. Zahn did a lot of coordinating with Stackpole in their novels, so you may also want the Rogue Squadron comics and the X-wing novels (9 of them).

The Jedi Academy trilogy is utter shit, but it introduces the concept of Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order. If you'd rather not endure the retardation of Daala and Exar Kun, though, I'd suggest instead I, Jedi. It's painful because the MC is pretty much one of those sue characters, but it's at least much better written.

TCW has a lot of good fights. Obi-Wan vs Savage and Maul after Adi Gallia is killed is pretty good too

Thrawn trilogy is the correct answer.

thanks I'll check them all out
sad to hear jedi academy is shit that game was so much fun back in the day

The Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy game is set a little bit after the Jedi Academy trilogy.

Definitely ignore though, user is almost certainly trolling you there. Karen Traviss is a bad author who should never have been allowed to touch anything with the Star Wars brand.

>Uses lightsabers just to humor them and have some fun.
>The moment he sees Maul might be a real threat he defeats him instantly.
Based Sheev