/j/ - Joker General

screencap me please

Who here can outjoke me the king of jokes

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Let’s wind the clocks back a year. These niggers and roasties wouldn’t dare cross any of you. I mean what happened? Did... did your balls drop off. Hmm?
Look, listen, I know why you choose to have your.. little circlejerk sessions on 4channel. I know why you’re afraid to go out. The society. See society has shown everyone your true colors unfortunately. Incelshaming that’s just the beginning. Society has no jurisdiction. It’ll find you and make you have sex. I know people who don't have sex when I see them.
It’s simple we uh kill the society.

I can get behind this general

FUCK NIGGERS AND FUCK WOMEN!

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Unironically kinda relate with the mother aspect
My mom is the most acting human i know and sometimes the only one ive had

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No worries my friend, all yours ;)
t. Mr J. O. Kerr

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>did your balls drop off
No, we got banned from twitter.

>Incel with an oedipus complex
Totally unheard of!

Smoking isn't cool.

lol
bretty gud

This is, without any doubt, the greatest Spurdo artbiece ever produced.

Times you were the joker?

In my city people have the habit of leaving public transportations tickets that are still valid (they are valid for 1h) next to the machine so that other people can use it for free
>get off public transportations
>about to leave my ticket so that someone else can use it
>see a N-word about to get on the bus
>put ticket back in my pocket

the new Joker is really Kino.

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Sure smells like incel in here.

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I'm not so sure, friend

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where is the bulge? this is one of the first things i unironically notice first from a man.

>be me
>using the elevator
>the doors are closing and a guy actually sticks his hand in the door and stops it from closing
>then he gets in the elevator
>tell him that I was using the elevator first
>he says that we can both use it at the same time
>we're in a tall building so I just press as many floor buttons as I can and get out of the elevator

bros im so fucking damaged

Will he ever come back?

the bulge is not always visible

That just sounds plain autistic

It honestly reminds me of caesar romero

I'm going to be dressed as the Joker when I go and see the Joker movie haha.

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I eat kiwis with their skin

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>go to the store
>grab some items
>use handstrengh to fuck it up (like breaking a chocolate bar in many pieces without damaging the wrapping
>get the only intact one and buy it
>hoohoo heeheehee hahahaaaa

SOMEBODY STOP ME

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Mom is the only person who will love you uncoditionally unless she's a crazy alcoholic cunt. Everyone else wants something from you.
Cherish your mom, she will die one day.

Grand Premiere of Warner Bros. 'Joker' film, Joaquin Phoenix walks down the red carpet, separate from the cast and crew, alone while smoking a cigar, completely dressed up as the Joker with smeared makeup, green hair, a large, suspicious looking red trenchcoat and a bizarre, continuous chuckle as he ignores the cameras snapping his pictures and reporters vying for an interview.

>"I used to think that, my life was a tragedy..."

Walks into fully packed movie theater, pulls out colt ar-15, cocks gun and aims it up in the air firing shots, laughing wildly as the audience gasps in terror.

>"But now... I realize..."

Audio cuts. Laughs hysterically as audience screams in completely muted audio, Nat King Cole's "Smile" begins playing.

>["Smile though your heart is aching
Smile even though it's breaking..."]

Begins unloading rounds directly into people's bodies as they touch the blood spurting from their chest. Inaudible screams and gasps of horror as people run for their lives while Phoenix mercilessly kills them all.

>["Smile, what's the use of crying
You'll find that life is still worthwhile..."]

>"... it's a comedy."

Police begin storming the cinema and firing bullets repeatedly into the Joaquin Phoenix's body as he collapses on the ground in a pile of blood, a mad grin of glee on his face as he dies.

>["...If you just smile"]

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Posting in an epic thread. Remember to put on happy faces Yea Forums! What do you think will the main plot points be?

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Joker Origin story

>his mom dies in the hospital
>he gets beaten up by society
>cucked by the nigress
>snaps and becomes the joker
>starts running around doing crime killing people n shieeet

>be Joker
>have shitty life
>go into a rampage against society
>get shot
>die

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"I used to think my life was a tragedy but now I realize it's a comedy" is one of the best movie trailer quotes ever.

Based

What are the Joker's views on Jews ?

HA HA HA HA
The world is mad!

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you guys forgot
>meet trump wayne
>put a smile on his face
>get slowly more damaged and broken
>go on a crazy rampage
>gun down a young couple
>oh shit lil waynes standing right there
>maniacally laugh and walk away

>before realizing 1-2%
>after realizing 90%

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Soo...
/NIGeneral/?

Except this is not Spurdo

there was something about Suicide Squad 2

WeE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE BEING A BRAPPAHOLIC IS SEEN AS WEIRD BUT BOTOX IS SEEN AS BEAUTIFUL

RISE
THE
FUCK
UP!

Posting in cancer thread

Have a shower then you sweaty virgin

This better not do a 'He was The Original Joker but not THE JOKER.' asspull.

They'll probably have some ostentatious young clown Protester revealed as THE joker at the end

posting in historic thread
pls post a screencap of this on opening day

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oh Veronica....

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Epic!

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> Arthur begins the trailer walking up the steep steps, pushing against the grind, a broken man

>Joker ends the trailer descending the steps, dancing and free - a changed man; his DESCENT into Madness!

HEHEHAHAHA ONLY TRUE JOKERS PICKED UP THAT CHAOS ELEMENT LOCK ME UP !!

>I was left out of the print

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Given that the lead is being played by a male, what effect do you think this movie will have with female incels?

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who's gonna play batman in the inevitable after credits scene and the joker cinematic multiverse?

Me

It looks as if DC is setting itself up to be /ourcapeshit/

I think they will finally realize they dont actually exist.

HONK

Baste
Fuck jannies

Women are sex dealers in a sellers market my bluepilled friend.

God I fucking hate women

I’m sure they hate you too, if they even know you exist lol

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If everyone says you're the bad guy, maybe you are meant to be the bad guy and should embrace it.

God I fucking hate niggers

They already did that with Man of Steel

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>always try to help others
>always demonized
>the more you help, the more they attack you
>maybe it's time to stop trying to be nice

Why are you so mad that he is mad at women?

I’m a little ambivalent on seeing this, I’m not a fan of sad movies

why? muslims are the real enemy of all western society.

Blacks and whites together, united in hatred against the real enemy of our nations.

Just sayin.

That's the entire white race right there, champ.

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Why are you so mad that I’m mad at him being mad?

God I fucking hate spics

Why does smoking make people look so badass? There is nothing cool about the act, but for someone reason people look a lot more masculine when they have a cigarette in their mouth.

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When the nice guys get mad...
The Devil shivers...
Bottom text

I can't wait until bunch of fat redditor "free speech activists" start running around in lipstick and annoy people in public

user doesn't sound mad, he just asked you a question. You on the other hand went and found a mocking image and insulted someone.

HOW MANY OF US HERE HAVE GOTTEN THROWN INTO SOCIETY

Nice one xD
Upvoted xP

BASED GYPSY ESL user

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Seething phoneposting normalfaggot

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This thread is getting a little too based for me...

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Will they zero sum or achieve CHIM and finally rise up?

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God I fucking hate my mom

God I love fucking your mom

Fuck. Will it be even safe to watch this in theaters?

God I hatefuck your mom

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>everyone in the audience is a mass shooter
>it turns into a battle royal
kino

I still wanna fuck her tight hole tho

This is fake. Why would the police show up? You're just the designated shooter.

This is terrifying, literally shaking rn.

We can't underestimate the gamers

Is this why Lil Wayne becomes a rapper?

/r/ that funny joker's interrogation raimi meme

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I'm not sure why fellow gamers are worried about this either, Robert assured me that everything's going to be fine, I heard if you shoot enough people kinoplex's administration even lets you pass no-singles policy on a next Joker screening for a small fee of $500, great deal!

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I always forget how fucking stupid that movie is.

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>all it takes is one bad day
True..... I'm one bad day away from throwing a can of Dr pepper at my mom

Do not stain the former /i/nvasion board's name with shit like that.

the workplace cuck slacked that he was hyped for this and that it looked amazing, when he wasn't too busy praising the NZ prime minister as a truly strong and independent leader we should all look up to

so it's going to be acidic and bluepilled, guaranteed

*Honk, Honk, Honk* may I please have your attention heh heh...
Ahem...
FUCK WOMEN
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK KIKES
FUCK TRANNIES
AND FUCK JANNIES
that is all

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Joker is dead

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Baste

Not one serious comment in this entire thread

Time to leave Yea Forums finally I think

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If you don't think any of what we're saying is serious, you're on the inside looking out, and we're looking back at you and laughing
Wake up and smell the coffee, bucko!

>All it takes it one bad day
Unironically, what does it mean? I don't understand it

I just miss being able to discuss things without memers seeking attention

Wasn't even this bad in 2012 with baneposting

One bad day to push a man into lunacy I guess

straw that broke the camels back, etc

It's an honor to post here,fuck niggers

I miss this joker

Back when joker used to be good

- YouTube

You have a extremely low IQ

>You have a extremely low IQ
>a extremely
Jesus dude, if you're going to criticize someones intelligence, don't do it sounding like a retard.

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>Missing 1 letter > Not having the mental capacity to understand a sentence

no

N

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G

G

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Do you have a Yea Forums pass you fucking loser?

E

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>incels hate all women
>but somehow their own mommy in particular is always special and different
Strange, isn’t it?

>Not wanting your thicc mommy to sit on your tiny bby boy PP until you fire your first blank
Gay boy hours!!!!

Yeah it's strange how the one woman to ever show these poor fucks affection is the one they idolise

I love how this movie was in production long before clown world was even a meme... but somehow it's still /clownworld/ kino.

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Does anybody actually have a fucking opinion on the movie or are you only here for memes?

BTFO
T
F
O

I haven't seen it yet

Clownworld as a concept has been around for years

The movie isn't fucking out yet so what are we supposed to talk about you blubbering incel

The Oedipus complex isn't a thing, its just another one of those pseudo-marxist Jewish theories used to destroy the traditional nuclear family further, resulting in said incels
And anyone who actually wants to fuck their mom and kill their dad (even unconsciously) should seek mental help

Now I know why they call us honkies.

>Not wanting to succle on mommies puffy nipples as she strokes your ding-a-ling until you make the white wee x3
Gay bo

How do the memes become real?

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Let's be honest, that trailer affected me a little too personally.

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why is the joker so iconic?
Not even Thanos can compete with him

>joker has been relevant for decades
>Thanos has only been relevant for like 1 movie because all the normies creamed their pants over the latest capeshit clusterfuck

I wonder what degenerate creature could be behind this post

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>t. Had a ugly mummy

i rate it 5 stars

Why can't we get a muscular daddy Joker already?
Leto was a twink and a manlet.

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best movie ive ever not seen

my time machine is in the shop sorry

because that doesent fit the jokers character
the joker isnt muscle and brawn, hes a man who schemes, uses foul tactics and creates chaos.

more like /c/ for cringe

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>ICP pepe
have sex

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Read The Killing joke m8

What a boring post

I'm pretty sure he's meant to be sympathetic and not relatable Yea Forums.
If you relate to him you need to seriously make a change in your life

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>Dance off Mr. Wayne! You and me!

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But he was muscular in the dark knight returns and it wasn't an issue. He can still be a schemer, I'm just sick of the "twig" joker.

We're on the outside looking in, chad

Now you see, user, that’s where you simply misunderstand the beauty of it all. The memes, the movie, they have truly become one. It’s not a matter of choosing anymore for us, that’s what’s so cu-ha-razy about it HAHAHAHAHAHA

>female incels
Those don't exist. Even if you're a fat, ugly or handicap women, there will ALWAYS be a multitude of male willing to fuck you at least once. There may be some voluntary ones, but incel? Impossiburu.

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I'm going to say it...

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The trailer was better than the film can be, oddly. The character that they're creating is more interesting than a Batman nemesis (apart from when he met Swamp Thing) so I'm struggling with it already.

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*Ahem*

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I didn't see this as muscular, I thought he just had ridiculously padded sleeves

Leto was very toned for that film. Which from what I recall he barely featured in.

*to the tune of we built this city*
>We poopy shitty!
>We poopy shitty big fart butt hole!

>The Joker is the only one actually looking into the camera

He knew all along, friends. He knew we were a connection waiting to be born.

lmao based

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>that thin waist
>that chest
>that shoulder width
Miller Joker was built like a fucking bodybuilder.

We'll we just don't know. He's a simple clown trying to do his job and getting run over and beaten up. And crying on the train and doing stand up and wearing a red nose and holding flowers. And falling down stairs. So far, so relatable.

*to the tune of let the bodies hit the floor*
let the jannies clean the board
let the jannies clean the board
let the jannies clean the board
let the jannies clean the
BOOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRD

On-topic no more
Can't take much more

1 more hot pocket for me
2 more hot pockets for me
3 more hot pockets for me
4 more hot pockets for me
1, chair's about to give
2, chair's about to give
3, chair's about to give
NOOOOOOOOOOW

LET THE JANNIES CLEAN THE BOARD
LET THE JANNIES CLEAN THE BOARD
LET THE JANNIES CLEAN THE BOARD
*REEEEEEEEEEEE*

why so serious?

it fits his character very well - at the beginning of his career he's skinny as hell but it only makes sense for him to get big as his career as a criminal advances

ledger joker was pretty big and took a heavy beating from batman without really giving a shit. phoenix joker gets his shit kicked in by thugs and probably doesn't wear his droog cup

hahahahah

>atea platter of chicken tenders at o'charely's by myself last night
HAHAHAHEHEHE

Benis Tod :DD

>thanos
literally who

why does this cuck take care of a woman who refuses to fuck him?

No apostrophe is needed for plural nouns.

Fuck off Pedro

chair's is a contraction of "chair is"

So why do they call him the joker?

When does he say it tho?

Your incessant shilling for this movie has convinced me that it is worthless, and I will never, ever view it.

t. user who is sick of 4channel shills

the irony in this thread is so dense that we are about to collapse into a black hole

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they should call him "the cuckold" the way he takes care of his lazy whore mom and doesnt even get to fuck her

His mom dying will climax his decent into madness and he will kill Bruce's parents in the end.

>How many of your negro friends I killed, huh?
Wow Raimi was that really necessary?

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not really

They’re better there’s a chance it’s sincere. Learn how to satire.

Based and redpilled

>you see, I'm not a monster...
>but niggers are
Dark knight was ahead of its time.

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Us gamers, we get shit done. If you don't my commitment, Stacy, just take a look at my Xbox live achievements page! Ahahahahoohoo!

>taking care of your own mother and expecting sex in return
user I....

it's refreshing to see a main character smoking

you don't get to see that in movies anymore.

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>literally fucks niggers in his standalone movie
Taking things a bit far there Raimi.

'2 chair is ' is poor grammar.

I wanna fuck harley quinn
IN THE ASS!

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They still smoke at the theatre. I assume they're not real cigarettes anymore but they might be.

fuck off white knight. Mother or not a roastie is a roastie.

thread theme
youtube.com/watch?v=lEXyPS6U5rU

>he disrespects his own mother
i might be jokermode but yikes

lol this cuck is in love with a slut who fucks other guys hahahahahaha

unironically have sex

>he takes care of his lazy whore mom
>and doesnt even get to fuck her
you usually dont fuck ur mom u know right?

Lmao

Generations of crypto brainwashing from cigarette companies

>internet generations live their lives in perpetual ironic, postmodern humor to deflect any criticism of their actual incompetence
>Joker movie depicts him not as a supervillain, but as your typical loser
>Joker movie is the first time in a while that these losers have had their plights taken somewhat seriously
>Joker will now be the martyr of every forgotten man after he dies in the end and unironic joker rebellions will rise up for years to come

What the fuck is this timeline?

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He's her caretaker. She probably has dementia.

I was an incel like you, then I made my mom choose between giving me blowjobs or going without her medication

unironically this

gen z is a generation brought up on memes, irony and sarcasm
its fitting that the joker will be their symbol

She could at least show her appreciation with some pussy every now and then. I mean Christ, he works hard to support the little cunt and you know she's bringing home Chad's and niggers every night

>tfw I remember the Internet pre-irony

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I'll finish it for you...
>Screaming and noise dies down
>Police close in on body
>Faint laughing sound getting louder
>How is he still alive after taking 100 bullets
>Police get closer laughing is coming from pocket
>Laughing sound is ringtone
>Police sergeant pulls cell phone out of pocket and answers call
>Hello?
>Despite only being 13% of the population

based

this is either low iq shitposting or straight up mentail illness

I will remember the first /j/

So is not knowing that a comma separates clauses

>Never start with the 3 day ban, the victim gets all fuzzy. He can't feel the next...
>*Janny hits Pepe with the 7 day*
>See?
You wanted me? Here I am.
>I wanted to see what you'd do. And you didn't disappoint. You let 5 trannies shit up Yea Forums with Blacked threads. Then you let Hiro take your place. Even to a guy like me, that's cold.
Where's Hiro?
>Those admin fools want you gone so they can get back to the way things were in 2007. But I know the truth. There's no going back. You've changed things...forever.
Then why'd you wanna fire me?
>Ha ha ha I don't wanna fire you! What would I do without you? Go back to posting gore on tumblr? No. No...no. You...you complete me.
You're garbage who posts NSFW content on blue boards
>Don't talk like one of them, you're not! Even if you'd like to be. To them, you're just a no-life incel, like me! They need you right now. When they don't...they'll cast you out. Like a jew from 90% of nations. See, their FAQ, their rules: it's a bad joke. They're dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as Hiro allows them to be. I'll show you. When the servers are down, these, uh...civilized moderators, they'll ban each other. See, I'm not a monster; I'm just ahead of the curve.
>*Janny grabs pepe across the table*
Where's Hiro?
>You have all these rules, and you think they'll save you.
I have one rule.
>Ooh, then that's the rule you'll have to break to know the truth.
Which is?
>The only sensible way to post on this board is without rules. And tonight you're gonna say the N word
I'm considering it.

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It's mental illness to not support the feminism that's destroying the west?

>chaotic
>nobody can reason with him
>nobody can foresee what he will do
>society and normalfags are terrified of him
>can outdo intelligence agencies when he wants to
>creates immense paranoia in society as nobody knows what he's going to do next, and most importantly, who he is and if he's right next to you
Lads how did we end up being the Joker? Literally just shitposting memes has basically turned us into a conceptual Joker in the eyes of society, with the alt-right hysteria and media going apeshit over ok signs and milk.

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11/10 pasta
Highly palatable

The Marlboro Man ad cemented the macho image

so everyone who likes the joker wants to have a one bad day and snap? is this what it is? you guys want an excuse to lose your minds?

maybe

Why does the Joker, the largest clown, not simply eat the other clowns?

yes

Wonderful

I don't think there's a single person on Earth over the age of 10 that hasn't at least once fantasized about disregarding all obligations and societal norms and just doing whatever crazy thing comes to mind

Correct, a comma could separate clauses.

Based hateanons

No, we simply share the outlook on society being fundamentally wrong, even though a lot of us don't know exactly why. A lot of people feel this, by the way, this isn't as much about who sees society for being fucked as who has enough introspection to realize what that nagging feeling of something being wrong is, and enough intelligence to see that through all the anesthetizing consumerism and panem et circenses.

Nobody wants to snap and most won't, but underlying idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with society is basically shared among 99% of young men today. Which is why so many identify with villains or anti-heroes over heroes, and I assure you that percentage is a lot higher among people on imageboards, too.

Pure kino-pasta

I unironically became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity.

I fantasize about someone breaking into my house and killing my mom, taking everything from me, then I would just snap and go around killing all the sluts who rejected me

Nice Dubs

have sex

absolutely based

Hello Elliot

with me

Why are the subhumans from /pol/ even identifying with the Joker at all? Most of his suffering comes from not having access to proper healthcare so I doubt he would be some pseudo-libertarian fanboy like most polshits, you also see him dating a black girl so he's not suffering from hysterical delusions about a race relations. This guy has actual problems, he's not some whiny incel faggot hating society because he's too much of a beta pussy to approach girls or feeling he's being persecuted because people told him saying 'nigger' is racist.

no amount of hormones or genitalia manipulation will ever change your chromosomes

>some random children's cartoon villain made up on the fly by a couple kikes 80 years ago to make a quick buck is now somehow considered a complex philosophical and political ideal destined to guide an entire generation

They erased the "2019: Throw him into society" comment, it was the highest rated comment on the trailer

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Underrated

Based

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So is batman in this movie

Based Naeeeeemur

>children cartoon character is interesting and complex enough somehow to have infinite films made about him

>tfw this movie will inspire mentally ill people to go on a shooting spree

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If this movie is following the existing DC timeline then batman wouldn't exist yet

This. You just know someone's gonna shoot up a kinoplex on opening night.

Just saw the trailer, what the fuck is this movie?

>that only appeal to literal children and people with the mentality of one
now yuo see...

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Darker movies like this usually have or end up with some sort of tragic event linked to it in.

i used to think it was a tragedy. now i realize it's a comedy

>next memester shooter dresses up as the Joker before shooting up a mosque

Not able to get peoples opinions to change, now shills are trying to create mass shootings.

>no singles policy becomes real and is implemented nationwide

Its still there its just not top comment

It's a comedy.

UNHINGED
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Greetings.

Feeling like bringing my gf to this movie would be a bad idea

Will Melvin the brother of the Joker make an appearance?

why'd you change your avatar bro?

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Unless you’re female as well, you’d be in danger.

they bumped it down even though it had the highest number?

>Well there's only minutes left, so you're gonna have to respond to my bait if you wanna save one of them.
>...them?
>You know, for a minute there, UHH, I thought you really were Hiro, the way you threw yourself after user data! hehheh!
*Janny throws Pepe to ground*
>WHERE IS HE?!
>Calling him a gook is your only choice!
*Janny bans Pepe for 30 days*
>WHERE IS HE?!
>You choose between one cuck or the other. Your admin, the Nip, or his blushing nigger to be-
*Janny permabans Pepe*
>HO-HEHAHAHAHAHAHHAA! YOU HAVE, NOTHING! NOTHING TO THREATEN ME WITH! NOTHING TO DO, WITH ALL YOUR BANS!
*Janny permabans Pepe without hope of appeal*
>DON'T WORRY! I'M GONNA STOP SAYING THE N WORD. And that's the point; YOU'LL have to say it instead! Hiro is attention-whoring on /qa/, and she's... uhh slicking it to yaoi on /y/!

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Angry women dude. They're despotic and abusive of power. Literally anything can piss them off and they will lash out at anything in sight. Diversity hires was a mistake.

I completely agree with you.

weren't there a cinema shooting at a TDKR showing?

hehehehehehaahahahahahahehHEHhehahaheahehhoohoohohoAHEHHEHEHE

I think he means "chair is" not many chairs

Can we replace /alita/ with this?

The movie isn't even out yet, dipshit.

Joker is kino as fuck and is truly /ourmovie/.

I hope so because that movie was trash.

She took care of him when he was small so he's just filling his side of the contract. You know, people used to always do this back in the day. Before the days of the (((nuclear family))) aka step 1 in destroying the bonds between people.

yike... you autists are seriously going to watch this "movie"???

I cant wait to see him get his ass beat
But then when he becomes the Joker and continues to get his ass beat it's going to be so kino because he'll be crazy!
So excited!

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Unironically the first general that I can get behind, let's keep these coming lads.

this, le incel beta joker. Just like us!

IF YOU JUST SMILE

>Unironically the first general that I can get behind
Not even Patton?

>it starts raining
>makeup runs off of the body's face
>revealing dark skin and curly hair
IF YOU
JUST
SMILE

Stay mad faggots, go back to your Alita Gen with the other spic lovers

my mom's a slut and unquestionably the reason my life is fucked, still love her though since I'm not a total weirdo

This whole leadup has been hilarious
>people make gangweed memes to trigger Yea Forums
>slowly over a year the meme gets appropriated with "this, but unironicly"
>this movie has been in production the entire time
>incels become a buzzword
>then the new zealand mass shootig happens
>new meme is clown world and the media is starting to panic right before this movie comes out
This is the perfect shitstorm for a clown world

I thought he was going to start dancing like Michael Jackson when he kicked up his leg

joker is like minions - shitty

Facebook moms don’t love the Joker like they do Minions

>they will ask
>where were you when the Joker Rebellions began?

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U think the director would go so far to do reshoots to not ”acidentally make a alt right love letter movie”

ENOUGH FROM THE CLOWN

i support it

Kino

>phonepostig derp
You have nothing. Kys
>actually analyzing stupidity
Looks like you really value your time

incel here can confirm
my mom being perfect is honestly why I can’t forgive roasties

Those don't exist

Now yuo see the funny side!

I'm the joker

we got a comedian over here