It wasn't that bad

I don't necessarily hate the movie, but it was just so much less interesting than the story that was abridged into the tiny little flashback to explain what happened after Prometheus. That flashback was the story I wanted to see.

It was garbage. That's not a subjective opinion either. The script was as, the direction was worse, the main actors was horrible and it completely breaks continuity with the rest of the movies by trying too hard to be smart

There were quite a few things that I liked in this film, but yeah. It wasn't that bad. It surely could have been better. One of the things that I really liked was the sequence where David killed the Engineer-like people. I'm still of the mind that they're not engineers of old, probably just a lower caste. That's why they all looked like shit instead of perfect specimens.

Yes it was. Even Prometheus was better.

I liked parts of it but the crew goes from borderline stupid to retarded once David shows up

>Get Prometheus
>Hate Prometheus
>Get an Alien movie
>Hate the Alien movie

Both of them were good. What the fuck do people want?

Isn't that the purpose of technology?

It was shit and killed all potential Prometheus had and then went the distance to rape Geiger's concepts.

It wasn't that good.

Best Alien movie. It was Nietzschean as fuck.

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It was way too dark. I don't mean tonally I mean it's too fucking dark.

Prometheus was objectively and comically bad, but at least its own thing.
Covenant was objectively and frustratingly bad, and was band-aide fan service.

They wouldnt be so bad if they were stand alone sci-fi, but they just fucked their entire universe for ridley scott's ego and wallet.

The problem is that Alien is a beloved franchise, and prometheus and covenant were in no way what the massive fan base wanted or expected.

This is a result of Prometheus being a product of Scott, the director of the original Alien, spouting off ideas about making this new saga, and it being more intelligent, and making heavy use of stylish visuals and all that.
But in the end, it was just a pretty average, by the numbers horror flick. A bunch of idiots dying because they're idiots in a bunch of easily avoidable scenarios. Like the biologist trying to pet the hissing alien, and the captain running in front of the giant, comically rolling tire like ship until she's crushed (rather than run 15 feet to either side, to safety)

Covenant was better, by a mile. However, that was Scott "bringing Alien back to it's roots" , by making another rather average horror flick with lots of style and flare.
And again, though to a lesser extent, stupid people dying in avoidabe scenarios.

Both films are just a vehicle for David to be an amusing, evil bastard. He is the literal only positive in both films.
Honestly, if they had been renamed as "David" and "David 2", had the xenomorphs replaced with some other alien horror and cut ties with the franchise, they would have been far better received.

This.

Generic shit with nothing new and it ruined the lore so hard it killed the franchise.

For whatever flaws Prometheus had, I was interested in what would happen next. It seemed at the end of Prometheus that they were actually building to a story and some major lore. Then Covenant basically skipped it entirely and just went space monster flick.

Blame the people who hated Prometheus.

People got what they wanted. They got an Alien film.

Why did Shaw repair the evil robot
Why did the ship crash if David brought it into the planet perfectly
Why did that one girl just absolutely LOSE HER SHIT when dealing with a sickness, was no one on a COLONIZATION mission given even basic training
Why did the lander have no way to quarantine people other than walking them down a long hallway
Why did David have tiny facehuggers
Why were the hypersleep chambers full of combustible gas
Why did a slight bump make the chamber asplode
Why did David think facehuggers were better than a fucking living gas
Why didn't they scan everyone for infection before leaving the planet
Why did people trust the evil robot after they saw him do evil things
If the back goo could wipe out a planet in less than ten years, why did the landing party not get fucked up by it even faster
Why did the lander med bay not have face shields
Where did the circle ship full of eggs from the first movie come from if there's no living engineers to pilot one from the planet where the eggs are

Most of those are moot points.

There's unironically nothing wrong with the first AVP

This. It was a mistake, we didn't know how good we had it. Prometheus was a perfectly fine, albeit lukewarm, entry to the prequels.

Explain your reasoning

Yeah this. Wasted potential.

and it just adds more questions. now we have three types of engineers.

>Why did Shaw repair the evil robot
Maybe she didn't realize.

>Why did the ship crash if David brought it into the planet perfectly
Many drivers struggle with parallel parking.

>Why did that one girl just absolutely LOSE HER SHIT when dealing with a sickness, was no one on a COLONIZATION mission given even basic training
It isn't star trek. Most real people are bad at their jobs, and don't take basic safety seriously until one of their friends accidentally deep fries her tit.

>Why did the lander have no way to quarantine people other than walking them down a long hallway
That's usually all hospitals do anyhow. Not star trek.

>Why did David have tiny facehuggers
For fun

>Why were the hypersleep chambers full of combustible gas
Everything is combustible in a high oxygen atmosphere.

>Why did a slight bump make the chamber asplode
Everything is combustible in a high oxygen atmosphere.

>Why did David think facehuggers were better than a fucking living gas
For fun

>Why didn't they scan everyone for infection before leaving the planet
That's a robot's job.

>Why did people trust the evil robot after they saw him do evil things
They thought he was the good robot. They looked the same.

>If the back goo could wipe out a planet in less than ten years, why did the landing party not get fucked up by it even faster
They didn't land in a bunch of goo

>Why did the lander med bay not have face shields
Those are expensive

>Where did the circle ship full of eggs from the first movie come from if there's no living engineers to pilot one from the planet where the eggs are
There were some living.

Your answers are all bullshit and it's perfectly represented by your first one
>Maybe she didn't realize.
Bitch she knew he was evil in the previous movie

It was pretty fucking bad

>Where did the circle ship full of eggs from the first movie come from if there's no living engineers to pilot one from the planet where the eggs are
Here's a better question, why are there no living engineers when they've traveled the galaxy and likely have hundreds, thousands, potentially millions of installations all through the the system, if not the universe, but because David destroyed one planet, which he was likely incorrect about it being their homeworld (why wouldn't they have orbital defenses and super advanced AI to assess threats and instantly nullify them for just such an occassion?) they suddenly magically are all gone?

Were the engineers the biggest idiots of the franchise all along?

>GOOD TIER
2>1>AVP

>OKAY TIER
3

>WTF ARE YOU DOING TIER
Pro = Cov

>CAN'T SEE SHIT CAPTAIN TIER
AVP:R

You're kidding yourself if you think AVP1 was at all decent.

Wasn't that good, either.

I thought it was great. Why did you dislike it?

For starters, they had two R rated franchises combined into a PG-13 movie. Even Freddie vs Jason didn't stoop that low.

You never actually see the engineers. The closest thing to a real engineer is the pilot in prometheus.
They aren't even supposed to be actual engineers. They are some sort of bio-android clone soldier.
Problem is the movies don't explain any of the hidden meaning in the symbolism and references to greek myth, the bible, angels and satan etc
The silos in Prometheus are Tartarus a prison for the Titans (pilot/soldiers) and monsters (goo)
These titans were a rebelious faction against the actual engineers(gods).
The titan called prometheus fled and helped humanity it various ways. Maybe even intending for humanity to destroy everything engineer related in the galaxy.
Theres just so many layers of story that should be told in the movies.

Hate the scene at the end with the bitch fighting the alien on the outside of the spaceship.
Also, Jussie Smollet totally takes me out of the movie.
Mostly dig it, though.

holy shit smollet is in this? Fuck sake ruined.

Too bad Covenant fucked it all up

They are both shit for various reasons. Covenant literally gets explained in the additional scenes released later.
David was just rying to recreate an ancient xenomorph birthing ritual.
I feel sorry for people that paid to see this shit since the story is explained on youtube for free.

>>You Blow, I'll Do The Fingering
Totally onboard for Fassbender's wild ride

I liked Prometheus. Its concepts and ideas are clumsily told and fall flat, but it's still entertaining as fuck and from a story-telling perspective it almost works.

Pretty sure those weren’t engineers, but a species developed by engineers. I think this was lost in production like everything else in this franchise.

I sort of agree theres elements i hate about it but the world building and background stuff is really good.

The biggest issue is they never explained why the crew were acting like fools. It needed to be explained that the entire mission was fake and just an excuse to get Weyland to the engineers and dispose of Shaw and her husband who were the only ones besides Weyland to know the truth.
Everyone in the crew was expendable.
It needed to be emphasised to stop the whole "lol why were they so unprofessional"

>why were they so unprofessional

They were hand-picked by Weyland, so none of them were of the highest esteem in their field. It seemed like it was more of just a cover so that Weyland could potentially "meet his maker" and become immortal.

Yes exactly its like a fake building front on a western set.
Entire thing was ruse.

It was worse than Prometheus

maybe if they wanted those guys to not be engineers they should have NOT given them a floatly curved structure thingy that looks like the circle ship for the circle ship to dock on to.

And then apparently detach and crash from for no reason.

wait I forgot:
>WHENDON TIER:
Res

It did the best job of showing an alien absolutely fuck people up. None of that silly stalking and playing with people, it just found you and murdered the fuck out of you.

I liked it

It was fine right up until the point where McBride's character brought a COLONY ship so close to danger for a couple of humans. Makes no fucking sense in any conceivable way. And it's even more retarded they strayed off their original planned course to a SPECIFIC planet. These decision would not be made irl. No fucking way

Irony here is that Alien wasn't Ridley Scott movie in first place. It is Dan O'Bannon movie. Studio dindn't want to give project to someone as inexperienced as O'Bannon. Scott wasn't even first director they were in touch with the project, first one was Walter Hill, who didn't have time to do it, but he remained on project as producer.

I wanted Prometheus 2 not this rehash shit.

Prometheus was bad but i enjoyed it despite the flaws this on other hand was total garbage

Fuck that shit, it's not bannon's movie at all. Ridley brought the xeno upon discovering the swiss guy's artwork and competence to set design. One of the producers doctered the script and discarded bannon's retarded names for good ones, as well as including mother fucking Ash - both the character as well as the concept of murderous android in the service of its corporation. Alien was the result of too many cooks in the kitchen that worked out well.

Art team behind the movie was largely assembled by O'Bannon. Technically Scott may have hired Giger, but he did that based on O'Bannons suggestion. O'Bannon is the reason why a lot of rather obscure European artists like H.R Giger, Chris Foss and Moebius got some traction in Hollywood. O'Bannon worked on Jodorowsky's cancelled Dune project, that is where got involved with the artists. Moebius was major influence on Blade Runners visuals and pretty much any cyberpunk movies and games ever since.

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AVP movies are their own thing. Those aren't Alien or Predator movies.

Alien movies: Aliens > Alien > Alien 3
Predator movies: Predator > Predator 2 > Predators.

Those are only movies of those franchises. There aren't anything more. Move along.