CHERNOBYL (2019)

Looks like kino is back on the menu boys

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Why can't they just flow all radioactive shit to the sun?

I really hope they make this good and not just 6 episodes of anti nuclear power propaganda

why not just cover the entire site in salt?

> movie based in ukraine
> everyone has british accents

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Why didnt they nuke it

Because even our best technology fails in seconds when it is exposed to the most hazardous radioactive materials. They managed to get a robot near enough to the 880 tons of corium in Fukushima to touch it. But just for a few seconds. Moving it is still out of question for many years to come.

>complaining that anglos have taken over his television
its been that way for at least 70 years, pal

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how did they get it there in the first place

this is going to be some western disney-tier fanfiction like Lords of Chaos, mark my words

look up Nancy A

Corium is molten radioactive material and whatever happened to be nearby when the shit hit the fan. How do you move a melted slab? And before you go "herp derp how did they take the picture", it was taken 10 years after when it was emitting only one tenth of its original output.

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Didn't they also have to use some crazy system of mirrors to get the picture?

Also this trailer was dumb and this is gonna be shit.

What about them feels? They dont need those.

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That is absolute fucking bullshit, dont comment on shit when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about!

Because it costs about $22,000 to put one kilo of material into orbit. Current US stored waste is about 60,000 tons so about 1.3 trillion dollars to get rid of it all. Assuming a re-usable craft, which you wont be.

The average craft can take a 3.8 ton payload into a GTO orbit, so lets be very generous and say you could take a 3 ton payload to the sun, this would then need 20,000 launches/rockets since you're destroying them constantly. So you'd need 55 launches a day to get rid of everything, thats assuming you've got all the rockets you need right now. All the while you're producing more waste.

Thats even before safety considerations, rockets can and do explode from time to time, what happens when just 1 rocket explodes with 3 tons of high-level waste, scattering it over a huge distance? Bottom line is, it's a fucking stupid idea.

The first one was taken with mirrors and stuff because 5 minutes near it meant death. This one was taken 10 years after. Fucked up the order.

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>so about 1.3 trillion dollars to get rid of it all.
So roughly as much as the F-35 programme

Best thing to do is to bury it deep underground in granite like the Finns are doing. Or maybe invest in some plants that reuse the waste but that can't be used to make bombs so fuck that dumb nerd shit amirite.

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Geologist here. The problem with that is that one minor earthquake or slip and you got highly radioactive isotopes seeping into groundwater.

VNIMANIA VNIMANIA

All tunnels drilled in the solid rock formations with no access of water for miles. Plus its sealed with concrete after.

Based on the scenes / dialogues, I’m betting they used “Chernobyl Prayer” by Svetlana Alexievich which is a collection of interviews she made with survivors/relatives etc.
so there is hope yet

They started the selection process in 1983 and started digging in 2004. I think they took the necessary precautions and found someplace that doesn't have much seismic activity. There's a very good documentary called Into Eternity about it.

You say that like it matters. Even 300 years from now a simple stress fault might expose the deposite to groundwater.

Yeah now research Asse II mine.

its really not.

Oh look. A nuclear scare movie. At a time when countries need nuclear reactors more than ever.

I hate people.

Ok then. Problem solved. Couch geologist over here just says "no" and problem solved. Read

They will have individual holes for casks and then pour concrete.

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So youre saying that materials that have a half life of 50,000 years will be stopped from seeping into groundwater by holes? Amazing. Glad to see those US tax payer dollars hard at work.

Shitty old salt mine filled with radioactive crap and more salt on top versus a project designed with this exact purpose in mind that was researched over 20 years before it even began. It's granite holding it not salt.

I understand your lack of understanding of geology, but the problem isnt type of rock, the problem is TIME. Eventually even the hardest rock is exposed to stress.

The fact that it's surrounded by granite and concrete with no water nearby.

Anglos are the only people who bother imitating the accents when they portray other nations, everyone else just speaks normally. Nobody is learning the language of your unaccomplished faggot country so you have no foreign accents to imitate. Make your own fucking movies instead of crying for white people to make them for you and cast you continentals out of pity.

Based moron.

And I think a bunch of geologists were involved and picked a place where there hasn't been anything major going on in the last centuries or even longer. You can deduce what happened by looking at the rocks nearby, can't you?

Make your own fucking HBO series then. I hope the Russians finish gobbling up your shit country.

Same reason they can't dig a tunnel to the moon.

Why not just dilute it then before burying it?Could put down the radiation per volume to no more than the ore it was refined from.

Here's exactly what they plan to do. Once in operation, the disposal process will involve placing twelve fuel assemblies into a boron-steel canister and enclosing it in a copper capsule. Each capsule will then be placed in its own hole in the repository and overpacked with bentonite clay.

ANUUUUUUUUUUUU

pretend the real lesson is that we need new modern reactors with safer designs and to decommission the ones that are decades old and a liability.

Here we go. Tell us about the bedrock here. Can it do the job? Source: indico.cern.ch/event/401223/contributions/958655/attachments/803584/1101320/III-2_Erik_Johansson_ONKALO_presentation.pdf

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Jack Palance

Just what humanity needs, more NUCLEAR BAD scaremonging

Meanwhile France doesn't give a fuck.

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Just what the nuclear industry needs, looking like they want to cover up its own greatest disasters.

well then hopefully they'll have this shit figured out in 300 years.

Could either end up as complete kino or a total disaster. Nonetheless I am interested.

>HBO miniseries
who fucking cares
I thought this was going to be a movie

Hopefully it will come across as the truth, which is slav(e)s and commies are retarded beasts

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what's the big deal? i don't see any radiation?

Here you go brah.

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moar nuke kino
youtube.com/watch?v=nemYBeT4aQY

Why is it uneven? The explosion creates a radius of chain reaction. Bull-fucking-shit.

it's even worse when brittish and american actors put on european accents.

youtube.com/watch?v=NH85zxU4tqU

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Radiactive particles were carried by the wind and landed where you can see.

because it was radioactive dust and smoke carried by wind

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hmm did that make the death of stalin bad? no that was one of the best movies of the decade so i dont know maybe you're just being retarded

Fun fact: people in the Soviet Union weren't even informed of the explosion due to the censorship and many firefighters from different countries just walked to their death without being aware of what happened, and some of the survivors died from cancer years later anyway.

>based on untold true story
Let me guess, it was a secret KGB facility where they actually tried to make a spooky weapon

Why don't they just drop all the spent fuel 5 miles deep into the ocean?

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>the power of American education

>the loudspeaker voice just says "attention" over and over again
Just sounds stupid when you know what she's saying

Like they did off the coast of New Jersey?

Fuck off, faggot. I'm a proud American, better off than whatever shithole country you're from.

Lies. If that were true, the wind would've carried the radioactive sludge as well. The ground would have been fermented, and life could not grow. Explain the animals still living in Pripkyat.

>born in orange zone few years after disaster

heh, another excuse for being a retarded autist into my collection

Estonian delusions and slander

Don't Ukranian actors exist thou ?

In many areas around the plant they actually removed the contaminated topsoil

Mads

They do and so does the rest of the world. Anglos and jews are the only people who make movies about other cultures because they don't have one of their own and the world lives rent free in their heads.

Cesium 137 decays in about 30 years. The area around the plant is 30 km or 18 miles. Look at all these people melting.

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How are americans this fucking retarded

>Don't Ukranian actors exist thou ?

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How far do you think the wind carries sludge?

Based, can't wait for nuclearkino with Jared Harris

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as horrible as communism is and I would gladly drop every communist i could from out of a helicopter i will say this. those commies handled the fuck out of chernobyl and i dont know if a capitalist system could have done it. like, I dont trust TEPCO with fukushima, but when that disaster struck in the old soviet union they grabbed up a bunch of dumb peasants, gave them a shot of vodka and told them to go clear some radioactive debris off the roof because the motherland needed them too.

How hilarious. You believe the Earth is flat? Landings were fake?

Obviously not, but the Earth is no sphere. Wider longitude than latitude. However the moon landings were faked as hell.
Brainwashed retards. Zero point arguing with you, samefaggot. Quit replying to me.

Education has a well known liberal bias, therefore they reject education and anything related

France has a shitload of liberals and iirc Macron was talking recently about pulling a Germany and shutting down the nukes to replace them with renewables

Soldiers were part of it as well. There's even a medal and award. "We arrived there at 10 or 15 minutes to two in the morning.... We saw graphite scattered about. Misha asked: "Is that graphite?" I kicked it away. But one of the fighters on the other truck picked it up. "It's hot," he said. The pieces of graphite were of different sizes, some big, some small, enough to pick them up...

We didn't know much about radiation. Even those who worked there had no idea. There was no water left in the trucks. Misha filled a cistern and we aimed the water at the top. Then those boys who died went up to the roof – Vashchik, Kolya and others, and Volodya Pravik.... They went up the ladder ... and I never saw them again."

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They are currently rioting about fuel prices. If they pull the plants, power costs are going through the roof and more riots will probably follow.

>Chernobyl
>Ukraine
>no slavs, only british actors

This is racist. Is it because slavs are too ugly for tv? Brits are ugly too

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Yeah, we were doing that with our permanent storage facility construction (which all the nuclear plants in the country pay for as a mandatory part of their Atomic Commission fees) in the Nevada desert months from completion after decades of work when King Nigger shut down the whole project because he's a faggot. For no fucking reason.

>no slavs, only british actors

What's the difference, though?
>misshapen
>violent
>alcoholic
>miserable

authentic slav experience m8

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Yeah I just think that their communist system could mobilize in a way to put that fire out that I don't think a capitalist system could because you would have a bunch of fatcats like at TEPCO worried about maximizing profits. Also Deepwater Horizon and BP's handling of that. That was what I took away from whatever Chernobyl doc I watched. Communism is horrible and it sucks, but man when shit hit the fan they don't mess around like some of these huge market cap soulless big corporations do.

>Looks like kino

stop sniffing the glue

the BBC did a really great documentary about it a while ago, surprised it's not been linked yet since I first discovered it here.

youtube.com/watch?v=njTQaUCk4KY

>read about the divers of Chernobyl

>They were three guys that volunteered to dive into the pool of water underneath the reactor in order to drain it and to stop another explosion from happening

>The tunnel they had to swim through was pitch black and filled with water more radioactive then Godzilla's piss!

>The guys are told they will die if they do this and they still volunteered to do it

>They were still able to make it through the tunnel and open the floodgates even after losing their only source of light

>All three managed to make it back but when they came out of the water they were so badly burned they looked like the fucking tar-man from RoTLD. They all died a few days later.

>mfw just imaging what they went through

Hope they cover that story in the show. Those guys were fucking heroes! If it weren't for them all of Europe would have become a radioactive shit hole. Same goes for the guys that built the sarcophagus.

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>try to fly it into sun
>rocket explodes
>suddenly radioactive waste is falling onto earth
As long as its over asia im cool with it

based 12 year old

back to pol or ill send your info to the CIA

Because potential leaks could poison the entire ocean, you fucking retard

Except they tried to cover it up like a soulless company would try to, and made the situation a hundred times worse as a result. Their great effort was the usual soviet tactic of throwing thousands of unsuspecting people, fired up by patriotism, into a fucking meatgrinder and hoping for the best.
The people working there, the ones who sacrificed everything for the rest of us were heroes - but their leaders were shameless criminals.

They better get it right.
>No Ukrainians
I'll handwave this. It's a given. No notable actors from Ukraine and none that would work for this anyway.
>Nuclear Power
Better not be leftist libshit hypocrisy, considering nuclear power is the cleanest power source in the world when you have safety measures.
>Ukraine
If you start doing muh Russia I'm going to throw a phone book at someone.

t. 1/2 Ukrainian 1/2 Pole slavshitter in America now

Fuck off faggot
Ukraine and Poland are the last few "fuck off immigrant" countries left.
Also two last of bastions of unique eastern european culture that isn't nordic garbage or stupid Anglo empire.

Nuclear power is fucking scary

I don't see any folks of color either...

hold on are you telling me Ukraine wasn't at least 25% black?

YOU FUCKING RACIST BIGOT

#boycottChernobyl

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>implying Orban won't save the EU

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Is this movie based off the best mission in Call of Duty 4 ?

Well... that too. Didn't want to list EVERYONE, since it wasn't relevant. Based fact poster.

F

No, S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

I wouldn't really argue with you there and maybe its less about communism and more about you know, those people and their propensity for collectivism. do it for mother russia.

btw scot adams has been on a generation IV nuclear tear for the last couple of days. "it literally cant melt down, its DESIGNED that way" etc etc. these people are going to doom us all. the nuclear menace has to be stopped.

Looks like Greenpeace has found the thread. The only catastrophic nuclear plant failures have been due to either retrofitting cold war era bomb factories to produce electricity and then having field peasants run them or failing to replace a safety system on your coastal nuclear plant despite being warned for over 2 decades to do so. Nuclear is the solution to liberal faggots complaints on coal and oil plants and yet they find ways to bitch about it too

i sure do love anti nuclear propaganda, let's pretend those monthly gas explosions never happen

Calm down faggot, not everything is an attack against you. It's a movie about an interesting event in human history.

Why not dig a really deep hole out through the bottom of the Earth?
If you did that, you could drop as much as you wanted out into space.

>series about tragedy in which hundreds of young men died
>female character plays major role

dropped

How fucking retarded was Japan to build a nuclear reactor a few hundred feet from the fucking ocean in an earthquake/tsunami area? I assume they used the ocean water for cooling but fuck.

has Jared Harris yet been cemented as /ourguy/?

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SIR

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This was constantly amusing in Rome. It would be great if they could all speak contemporary Latin, but there's probably not a viable alternative to them just speaking Brit English.

>divers of Chernobyl
didn't they kinda debunk this?
they survived

Is it the best solution in the long term? Sincere user asking.

noice

youtube.com/watch?v=Wdx25H1cSoc

man it must have been a fun night when this thing happened

>more radioactive then Godzilla's piss!
>Those guys were fucking heroes!
>reddit spacing

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Use whatever the NASA moon capsule was made of

>The first ever photo taken of the Chernobyl disaster, 14 hours after the explosion.

fucking hell it took them 14 hours to take the first picture

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You know that's exactly what it will be though. Entertainment (((liberals))) can't be letting people know that there exists a safer and cleaner alternative to fossil fuels that doesn't require economy crippling taxes and regulations, and vast expansions of government power in order to be economically feasible.

ok can someone redpill me on chernobyl?

Ok kid let me tells you tale of old.

Once upon a time there was reactor. Big, strong, powering Ukraine and nearby city called Pripyat. Some madman decided to do test. The test failed and it exploded. Half of europe got blasted with radiation so strong that people grew additional limbs. Whole Eastern Europe is now just big fucking zone of mutated slavs who keep drinking until they die.

This come from me slav.

Though by far the biggest and most catastrophic nuclear accident in history, it killed exponentially fewer people (including estimates for suspected cancers decades later) than a single year's worth of global fossil fuel pollution. In spite of the small handful of nuclear accidents that have ever occurred, nuclear power is still statistically much safer than even wind power. Source: giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/kharecha_02/

Despite all this, Chernobyl has been used by ignorant leftists and uneducated tree huggers as anti-nuclear propaganda to great success, which has resulted in a significant reduction in global nuclear power output, an increase in fossil fuel power production, and by extension, increased environmental damage and wide-spread health hazards.

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>explosion at poorly maintained nuclear plant in Ukraine
>tons of radioactive particles get blown into the atmosphere
>plant was owned by Soviets and the severity of the situation was downplayed
>entire region/city has to be abandoned and thousands of people have been suffering from radioactivity poisoning over the next decades

it was so dangerous to go through the Russians decided to dump a bunch of concrete on top

ever seen the so called 'black people'? we have them thanks to chernobyl.

>it killed exponentially fewer people
>exponentially
why do you use this word in this context

So like Enemy At The Gates, then.

Why don't they just launch all of our trash into the sun?

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Why are you autistic

based

looks comfy desu

who /gen4/ here

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Nobody likes slavs. Deal with it gopnik.

Cнид

Why don't they just blow up the nuclear plant?
No nuclear plant, no radiation.

>open trailer
>synth BWOM followed by geiger counter ticking
>close trailer

Cид

Oh shit it gots a decent amount of cast from The Terror like Hickey and the main guy in trailer, this could be decent

fun fact: the light beams at the bottom of the photo are caused by the radiation from the rubble on the roof registering on the film

Just another day in The Zone, /k/omrades.

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>Looks like kino is back on the menu boys
All the Actors are English, Irish and Swedish

>kino
you're right

Anyone have that webm of the New Safe Containment being wheeled into position over the remains of the blown reactor building?

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Tired of waiting for a new game the based Finns got bored and made their own Stalker movie.

youtube.com/watch?v=EwkIaJX3hmg

I was 10 years old when Chernobyl happened, the live coverage of the helecopter dumping Boron onto the glowing reacotor is forever etched into my mind, everything was nuclear when I was a kid, nuclear war was just a buttonpress away and I still remember the fear on everyones minds and lips, but for a kid back then it was just normal life

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>50,000 people used to live here...now it's a ghost town.

>only just realised now stalker and cod 4 came out the same year

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>tfw my dad hates nuclear power and his only argument every time is "b-but Chernobyl..."

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What alternative or inprovement of method do you propose?

Yes, no blacks, but we have great food and white girls.

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>rocket explodes in atmosphere
>end of mankind

>end of mankind

The (((Kalergi Plan))) will ultimately do this anyway so who gives a f*ck?

that's not accounting for the absolute retardation of French people. Nuclear scare is very real there because the kikes keep pushing it in media and those sheeps eat it.

I know but that's how things are.

Well, looks like I have to reinstall S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl. Thanks OP.

fucking HBO jews, there was already a better kino chernobyl mini-series

youtube.com/watch?v=ifRoRCXY3ZY

this article talks about what really went on:
pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph-telegraph-magazine/20190309/282488595041423

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Get out of here, stalker

Sounds alien to me, and I was 3 at the time.

Oh look... More libshit propaganda to demonize nuclear energy and promote (((eco-friendly))) energy scams. I wonder how they are going to relate this one back to Trump.

fuck I hate guitartists.

>France has a shitload of liberals and iirc Macron was talking recently about pulling a Germany and shutting down the nukes to replace them with renewables

Nukes + renewables is the path for the future. You need both.

stupid ?

but do those Radiation suits protect you? i wouldnt want to walk in a Radiation field.

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"Nuclear" is going to be the new n-word.

You mean social liberals, right? Always cracks me up when burgers call everything they don't understand a liberal, even though liberalism is the very base of their government. The new form of liberalism called social liberalism is a whole different story though.

were there any anomalies?

The interesting thing about Chernobyl that alarmists always forget to mention because it isn't convenient to their narrative: Chernobyl got better.

It's been over 30 years and a lot has changed: the forests have grown back, the swamps have refilled, the waters are full of fish, and the entire area is host to a wide and healthy variety of wildlife that is seen in numbers not present in any other area across Europe, and not just 'common' animals but rare ones that haven't been seen in this part of the world for centuries- Lynx, Horses, and Bison.

The other thing about it is that it taught us another lesson in, "Nature is a tough bitch and she can handle most anything we dish out so long as she's got prep time." Chernobyl is infested with fungi- the concrete sarcophagus entombing the power plant is loaded wall to wall with fungal growth that's been eating up the radiation and using it as a food source.
Soil samples taken from the area reveal an active, unique, biosphere of microbes, worms, and fungi that have been trying to decompose and clean the radiation. Fuckin' deadly horribly poisonous though, don't even touch them, but they're doin' their job.

The moral of the story here is: Nature is a radical milf.

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BBC did a whole documentary about it which includes footage of it moving if you're interested. There's a low quality version on YT but you might find a better torrent or something

youtu.be/D7haey5L74s

how long until humans can return?

You're 43? Lmao go to bed gramps

You do know people have been visiting the area for years right? Tourism is booming there, they even have hotels within the Zone now

Visiting. I know that. You can stay for short periods and only get a moderate radiation dosage. It's different than living there for 40 years.

I wonder who would profit from keeping free, accessible energy from the masses?

There's groups of old people that never left and they're still alive and well. There's even a specific Russian word for them but I forget what if was

I've probably been using this site more years than you've had hairs around your willy, son.

the sun will send it back

I'm not him, don't care how old you are. But bragging about time spent here is not a point of pride.

Actually many high up Soviets had Irish and English accents. Lenin spoke English with an Irish accent because his English tutor was from Dublin.

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I just watched that Forest episode of Our Planet too. The part about Chernobyl is kino.

>I'm not him, don't care how old you are. But bragging about time spent here is not a point of pride.
I wasn't bragging about how long i've been here, it was simply a way of saying he's much younger than me, I never specified how many years i've been here, could be 2 for all you know.

Honestly after the shitshow of Fukushima I'm starting to wonder if we're not shooting ourselves in the foot with nuclear. Not saying that fucking wind is any better, but fucking hell, atleast the worlds supply of food doesn't get contaminated if some windmills get destroyed.

Two words:

Space Elevator

Allright faggot, so if radiation is such a pushover why dont you go live there?

I do. I'm shitposting from on top of the cooling tower right now

get out of here stalker

Milla Jovovich

Even better, there would be no land to farm on to begin with.

Didn't know Ukrainians had such good English.

Mila Kunis

when you have a nuclear disaster taking pictures is really not your priority especially in '86

Bullshit, how did you get past the Brain Scorcher.

Looks interesting, but I probably can't enjoy it much due to knowing too much about the events.

There is absolutely no safe enough rockets to do the job and it would have insane costs. It is cheaper to encapsulate highly radioactive waste and put it into deep geological repository.

It might be hard for producers to get funding if all their actors no bodies from Ukraine. British actors are absolutely upgrade if you consider HBO is US company (it probably is international co-production involving multiple TV-channels/studios), it could be worse, they could be using mostly American actors.

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Most of these guys knew the risk they were putting themselves in and died of horrible thyroid cancer :(

Oh I just let it melt my brain, hence why I'm now shitposting on Yea Forums

>based on untold true story
In other words, based on rumors and unproven speculation.
Why even drop the "based on" crap at that point? Just to impress illiterate people?

I'm sure there's a reason, and I'm sure a guy with a duffle bag full of money was involved.

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Nuclear is the clean safe future everyone wants, literally. It's just hard work, high maintenance, and the consequences for being lazy can be catastrophic. But even then it's still less deadly than fossil fuels and renewables.

But because it requires due diligence, technical excellence, and a lot of money, it'll probably all be given up for more third world programs.

daily reminder that only 43 people died because of the chernobyl disaster

Y'know, the weird caveat about radioactive exclusion zones.. They make really great nature preserves?
They're perfect because the fallout creates a single, undisturbed, territory of land with no artificial barriers, so the movement of animals is uninhibited. The entrances to them are guarded by the military and the government to keep everyone out, but sans that it protects itself from poachers simply due to the threat of radiation.

I've been watching and reading stuff on Fukushima and they're seeing similar things: Boars, Deer, Monkeys, Pheasants, Horses, Cattle... And a small herd of escaped Ostriches, can all just live their lives undisturbed.

These places are ironically perfect havens for animals that have dwindled to sparce numbers because they simply won't tolerate the presence of humans. You can't get this level of environmental restoration in a """"public park"""" because you've got dickhead tourists coming in all the time.
It's the best of times, it's the worst of times.

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Finland is one of the most geologically inactive places in on this planet.
Backfill is mostly clay that can absorb water.
>Glad to see those US tax payer dollars hard at work.
American education everyone. *clap*
>a place where there hasn't been anything major going on in the last centuries
It is bit longer time when anything major has happened to that bedrock. Try something in ball park of 1.8 to 2 billion years.

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This is a good post.

Jared harris is absolutely awesomr at everyhing he does

>filmed in Lithuania

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Well we can blame (((capitalists))) as well. Nuclear power industry didn't want to invest their own money into researching better reactor designs starting from 60's and 70's. Military paid for basic research for current and previous generation reactor designs. They literally started to character assassinate physicists and engineers that talked about safer and more efficient reactor designs in 70's.

With Chernobyl we can easily blame (((Communism))) for it. Everything leading to accident was heavily affected by the system on all levels. Soviet Union on its later years was a technocracy that applied official truth to everything. Basically everyone in political elite was educated, mostly STEM degrees. Soviet engineering was infallible and in powerplant level all the workforce were paid bonuses based on progress of reactor testing milestones. To get bonuses they lied about a reactor test that wasn't done that they had completed it. Then they decided to combine it with another test. Finally they were behind schedule and handed over control of test to crew that wasn't briefed to the tests. BOOM. Design was dangerous from the start.

Mainstream (((environmental activists))) are lunatics that have no idea natural resources they consume themselves. Everything is fine for them as long as they get their organic latte and avocado sandwich on their way to work at some media company each morning and get their yearly vacation at some exotic island in Pacific.

>not just 6 episodes of anti nuclear power propaganda

why do you think it'd be anything else.

It's going to be overblown, don't be surprised if they paint it like every single reactor built in the US is like one misstep away from being another Chernobyl.

Is this why all of your people migrating en masse to the Italy and Canada?

Safer than Ukraine. There is war in Ukraine for fucks sake. Commies built almost identical commieblocks on major industrial sites everywhere. Environment is pretty similar in Baltic states as it is in northern Ukraine, both nature and depressing commieblocks.

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>i don't see any radiation
>see
>radiation

>Don't Ukranian actors exist thou ?
They do. But all the good ones are fucking old. There's only 1 guy that is decent and under 30 y.o.

>There is war in Ukraine for fucks sake.
No, there's minor skirmishes in the far east of the country.
>Environment is pretty similar in Baltic states as it is in northern Ukraine
Not quite.
t. Ukrainian living in Lithuania
>and depressing commieblocks
yes except "Director Johan Renck heavily criticized the amount of diverse and eye-catching modern windows in the houses, but was not concerned about removing them in post."
gonna be shit

what does /pol/ have to do with anything you dumb seething nigger?

>No, there's minor skirmishes in the far east of the country.
True, but it does affect contries economy.

Visible light is radiation :)

yeah, it makes it cheap for filming in

There's no reason for this to exist, there's already an identical film -
youtube.com/watch?v=njTQaUCk4KY
and it's quite good, despite being made by the BBC

Not anymore, sadly. Science and math are too racist.

Imagine being this clueless.

literally no u

I wouldn't call other people "clueless" while trying to discuss a thing I have no idea of. There is no war in Ukraine and it's perfectly safe. The poor state of economics is only beneficial for foreigners. I bet you can't even speak Ukrainian or Russian. Fuck off, you incompetent piece of shit.

Is there some informative documentary on the Chernobyl incident to watch in prep for this show? All I really know is that slavs caused a local apocalypse sometime in the 80s

No, it wont. But it is bad for other reasons.

Mel Gibson would make them speak Latin.

People are silly. Build nuclear power underground within a barrier and its harmless.
By the way the biggest catastrophe of Chernobyl aas it was above ground and the particles were exposed to wind which carried it over Europe.
If it was underground this would have never occured.

Nuclear fucking saved us from global warming the shit out of the earth 50 years ago you idiot.

>ahahaha nigga how are meltdowns even a thing ahaha hnigga just build a station in space LMAO just put a barrier around it :DD

There are countries that are famous for having low taxes on filmmaking. And Ukraine isn't one of them.
And here's a literal example for you. Few years back Ukraine stopped all USD/local currency exchange for few month. There was a limit of 100 or 200 USD per person per day. I was working with a turkish construction firm that had few buildings in the capital halfway done. They coudn't buy any materials in Ukraine or pay their workers because of this shit. They bailed and lost fuckton of money.
Now imagine starting any production in the country when you can be forced to stop anyday beacuse of such shit. Not to mention russian tanks that can come across the border any day.
t. Ukrainian

>global warming
Try harder next time.

also Same thing with fukushima
>built it below the waterline.
Its some planning oversight.
Build it away from civilisation underground in a stable area.

>No, there's minor skirmishes in the far east of the country.
Minor skirmishes that can flare up and escalate.
>Not quite.
It is similar enough to anyone who isn't local. Same swamps and forests, bit different distribution between certain trees, flowers and shieet.

>yeah, it makes it cheap for filming in
More expensive by all means. Insecure transportation (risk of someone else with higher priorities taking over trucks if something major happens in the East), need for literal security details, western liberals like media workers might feel insecure. Baltic states are better off than most of ex-USSR when it comes to corruption and are more stable societies. Less need for translators. Does hotel night cost 40€ per crew member or 200€ is irrelevant, more relevant is are there enough rooms available and how close those are filming sites.

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I am Ukrainian and i know what i am talking about. Noone with any brains will bring their money to our contry untill this shit is done.

they're thirsty as fuck for foreign coproductions
>Not to mention russian tanks that can come across the border any day.
oh ok i'm speaking to a literal retard, should've known earlier, my bad

fuck off if you know nothing. How they tried to fix chernobyl was building a barrier called the coffin around it.

IMDB says Adam Nagaitis is in only one episode.

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>t. Ivan

It's called the Containment Sarcophagus. They didn't fix shit, there's still a lot of radioactive material that is still sitting there. The lead sarcophagus just prevents too much radiation from escaping and has been breaking down which required the construction of a newer one. This new one supposedly facilitates the decomissioning of the old sarcophagus because it has built-in cranes.

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What would happen if they sent ice in there instead?

Looks like a soulless silo. Fucking slavs couldn't build something more artistically meaningful to represent their fuck-ups?

His crozier is on point so yeah

It could've been good if it wasnt so cliche.

God, I hate that. Imagine a bunch of mexican actors playing indian guys with accents. It would be an outrage. But it's okay when "moter russia make you stronk".

Mirrors? This didn't happen in the 19th century. They probably had fibre optic cables for the camera.

This documentary is pretty damn good. It covers most aspects of the clean-up. There are just a couple inaccurate statements made by people interviewed.
youtube.com/watch?v=p5GTvaW34O0

The new one is built by European companies. It lacks the brutalist charm of the original one. It looks like a silo because you need the space to start dismantling the old one and the plant.

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you know why it was built? to stop the spread of particles by the air. Thats the point.
Thats the reason why plants should be built underground. In the case of an explosion its already sealed.

In the USSR in 1986 and especially not in Russia per se? You're vastly overestimating what communist countries were capable of.

Why hasn't the whole of Ukraine been absorbed by Russia yet? It's your clay dudes. Are you afraid of more sanctions? You guys can't get any more poorer than you already are. Start eating your former satellite states already.

what they also fail to mention is that it was a literal retard that fucked shit up and made dat thing go skrrrra and a boom boom boom

By all means biggest factors in Chernobyl disaster was dangerous as fuck reactor design. It is literally too big to be economically built inside a containment structure, so there isn't one. That is why it was all exposed to environment after everything went hell with the experiment.

Even better part is the reason for going with that reactor design. Soviet Union thought that they might need a lot of weapons grade plutonium. RBMK can in theory be used to produce marginally weapons grade plutonium, but it cannot be effectively operated as power plant if it is used for that. They never used a single gram of plutonium made with civilian reactors because military had plenty of dedicated plutonium production reactors.

Main reasons behind Fukushima fuck up was going cheap with electrical equipment and building that stuff on seaside instead of behind damn reactor building on land side. Almost all of heavier stuff stayed inside containment structures in Fukushima unlike in Chernobyl as reactors had containment structures. The big problem in Fukushima is cooling water.

The other main reason for Fukushima accidents is TEPCO being cheap on training their operations crews, some of them had no idea what they were doing in case of accidents. There is another nuclear power plant in Fukushima, ironically ran by same company. Crews in that plant faced similar issues, but they were properly trained and dealt with earthquake accordingly and their reactors were being shut down proper order by the time tsunami came in. No one ever talks about that.

What do you do to with the water table? The melted reactor core burned through almost everything in its way and ended up in a basement under the reactor. In Fukushima if I'm not mistaken it has hit the water. You need water to cool these things. Pic is a nuclear power plant in Romania that's on the edge of the Danube. It's built on a Canadian design so it's a bit safer than Soviet ones.

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>You guys can't get any more poorer than you already are.
Here is where you're wrong.

The French documentary here is much better
No, you're wrong. It's precisely the opposite. If Moscow decided something had to be done then it would get done. They had the full force of the centralised totalitarian state behind them. They pulled out all the stops after the catastrophe, including state mobilising thousands of troops, state of the art remote-controlled robots, etc.

It will be safe to live there in the year 21000 something

they have gotten poorer over the last few years due to sanctions and resource prices. they can and will get poorer if they don't play their geopolitical games very carefully

>depressing commieblocks
Weird way to spell comfy

All that delusion. Animals came back to the site because humans mostly left. There was massive clean up operation involving hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Bio fucking robots that are currently dropping off like flies. 20 to 30 year old reservists that were offered to fuck off to Afghanistan for year or going to Chernobyl for few weeks.

When it comes to long term effects of radiation on animals and plants DNA. The zone is massive out door laboratory.

I have two words for you:
Structural Stresses.

New Safe Confinement was built by French company. Funding coming mostly from EU, US and Russia. Even China and Japan were involved in funding it.

It isn't hastily set up structure like the original Sarcophagus that was estimated to last for 20 to 30 years.

That is from pretty good documentary. I just fucking hate how eternal Brits and US dub over foreign language interviews instead of using subtitles like civilized people.

I live in an ex-communist country brohan. One that supposedly kept its independence while having Moscow's hand up their ass like all communist and USSR satelites. Yes, trains ran on time and all that but the quality left much to be desired because some Politbureau fuck would want your project to give results in time with the anniversary of some minor communist achievement or other. If ever something went wrong, shit got covered up and the books got cooked. By the time they got off their asses with Chernobyl, you had a bunch of countries already raising alerts about something going wrong somewhere since the radioactive cloud had already hit them.

brit accent kino

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Why do I feel Dyatlov isn't a major character here?
What is HBO attempting?

This pic is pure comfy.

>mfw PETA hears about this and starts detonating nukes in the Amazon and Borneo forests to keep them safe

idk, they beat the rest of the world to space

nothing, you say oh shit and deal with eat, nips still eat all that radioactive sushi and they're fine, sure you might see an increase in cancer rates but if no one is dying every other week from radiation poisoning then no one really gives a shit until they themselves get cancer, also didn't the fukushima one melt into the ground, like it went trough all kinds of layer and shit and is now like hundreds of meters below

>France has a shitload of liberals
what does that have to do with anything? most european countries are gommunist by mutt standards

fpbp
don't know if you are serious or ironic

If we had a slave caste of nigs we could do it

That's because of the overgrown nature. Now you have stupid fucks that park their cars in front of the building and cut down most trees out of fear that it might fall on his precious scrap heap.

They made and still make decent if not very good engineers. Some dude over here mananged to move entire commie blocks on rails when some megalomaniacal pet-project had to be built. A lot of corners were cut to save money. You mentioned Gagarin. If a colleague didn't take his place during another test, he would have died. Some high-up cunt wanted the test to coincide with some communist anniversary so they sped up the project and the poor fuck ended up getting burned to death on re-entry. Look up Vladimir Komarov. You even have his last transmission crying and cursing them for send him to space in a shoddy incomplete craft.

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Then his camera broke down because of the radiation. At the time, he wondered why so many of his photos were coming through poorly.

It still passed the water table then. I don't think I need to tell you what happens when water enters a hole. Shit got to California.

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How is wind unsafe?

Wind and even solar aren't dependable enough to power everything. Also making those windmills or solar panels takes a fuck ton of resources. Humanity is shooting itself in the foot by not going with more nuclear power. Environmental activists fundamentally oppose funding for developing more safe nuclear reactor types. They are ones driving for more use of coal power to power all their computers and electric cars. They are so damn ethical. They prevent building solar power plants in deserts because those kill birds as local environmental effect as well. They oppose wind power on coasts because that affects animals as well. They are completely clueless over how much energy they personally spend, but they also want to decide for how much energy everyone else should be able to use. Next thing is shipping organic waste from third world to first world countries so they can generate more pollution in name of diversity.

this shit also happened in the west though, apollo 1 nigga. In the end, all the US won was the propaganda war to decide that the space race was about the moon rather than all the other milestones the soviets beat them to

The Russians are still pretty serious about space and especially people in space while the US don't give a toss anymore and send drones/probes all over the place because they're cheap.

yeah sure I don't deny that, but you know still if people don't die every other day no one cares and there's really nothing to do about it, and it's not like people are going to go out and make them close every single plant, so when it inevitably happens again they'll just go "whooops" and that'll be that

God i hate his asshole smug

Fucks with birds and uses up the wind

Having better containment measures in place for whenever shit "inevitably" hits the fan will help a lot. France has a lot of reactors and the worse they've had was a 4 on the chart where 7 is the worst and we've only had 2 incidents of a 7 event. I could bring up the millions that die from coal pollution every year and coal is "clean and safe" as the current US president claims.

Their management just had fucked up ideas how competent they were. Including their engineers and scientists. ones in charge of designing Chernobyl reactors.

Soviet Union beat US to space because their top rocket engineers were willing to work together on gun point. They had in late thirties played a Stalinist version of musical chairs. Three out of their top 6 rocket scientists were shot for treason and 2 more got gulaged. They were hastily bought back together when Soviets ran into V-2's at end of the WWII. They worked on reverse engineering V-2 and then improving it until 50's when they started working on R-7. After that main guys started to work on different projects, their top rocket designer Sergei Korolev absolutely couldn't stand their top rocket engine designer Valentin Glushko. Until R-7 Korolev tolerated working with Glushko due to NKVD's kind suggestions. Glushko was the one that denounced others and was gulaged bit less in 30's and 40's. As side note only major German rocket scientist Soviets got was the guy in charge of guidance and telemetry, I just for now can't recall his name. Most of the Germans they got were production side engineers not involved in design.

In 90's Soviet space program basically devolved into orbital truck, taxi and janitor company. They got massive market share in commercial launches because Russian and Ukrainian engineers work at rates comparable to janitors in western countries. Now SpaceX and other new space companies are driving 'em out of business with far more advanced tech launch systems.

Even Gagarin's first flight is kinda iffy didn't exactly match requirement for landing part. Gagarin used ejection seat prior to landing and landed separately from the capsule. They didn't have time to test and rate ejection seat for landing. IIRC Vostok 5 was first Soviet flight where cosmonaut actually landed with the capsule. That was few minutes short of 5 day mission, waste collection system failed on last day.

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>Hot Kinky Jo

Management kept forgetting most of them used to be uneducated peasants instead of country leaders before communism showed up.

If France ITER fucks it up, are we gonna start a black hole?

oh sure I agree, but if anything the japs put a lot of effort into measures too, and don't get me wrong I'm not against nuclear and I think the benefits outweigh the risks, but my point is still just that ultimately there's nothing we can do to prevent this 100% so when it happens we'll just have to take that radiation and deal with it

Building the windmills generates quite a lot of pollution. Just manufacturing the turbines isn't everything here. Since turbine blades of wind mills are rather light and long objects, those are often transported with aircraft nearest airport to assembly site. Convoys of over length trucks often cause massive traffic jams. Wind power is often the reason why you might see planes like An-124 or Il-76 at rather small airports.

Wind tubines local environmental effects, killing birds and making annoying noise that affects all kinds of other animals. Environmental activism and NIMBY'ism usually overlap. These greens often don't want to live near a wind power park.

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There are a couple of anons in this very thread that mentioned how incompetent the company managing Fukushima was You need to have the government's hand up your ass in these types of endeavors. Everything gets double and triple checked and no bitching about saving money. Dealing with it might mean a small repair/cleanup at the plant or a 30km exclusion zone depending on how well safety is emphasized. And while we're talking about risks, why not invest in Thorium reactors which are supposedly safer than anything using uranium/plutonium? You can't make bombs out of it and it's not as retarded as finding newer ways of getting oil from shale or wherever it might be.

well I guess I have the wrong impression then, but I thought everything fucked up because the tsunami fucked the back up the emergency generators since the reactors themselves stopped right after the earthquake

>this ridiculously over-dramatized zero brightness bullshit
>muh hair falling out scene
Looks like complete and utter dogshite. At least they filmed some of this at an actual nuclear power plant but fuck me if it doesn't look like the cheapest garbage.

on a second note
>On 5 July 2012, the National Diet of Japan Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission (NAIIC) found that the causes of the accident had been foreseeable, and that the plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), had failed to meet basic safety requirements such as risk assessment, preparing for containing collateral damage, and developing evacuation plans. On 12 October 2012, TEPCO admitted for the first time that it had failed to take necessary measures for fear of inviting lawsuits or protests against its nuclear plants
so literally scumbag company that tried to save money was the cause

>Discovery Чepнoбыль
Use this for searching. Carefull of history rewritting, but some authentic footage and interviews. Related vids should be helpfull too.

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Yup. Human fuckery knows no bounds. The Demon Core is another example. Some genius decided to use a screwdriver to play around instead of doing it properly. That was the second accident. The first one was when another dude was stacking tungsten bricks around it and dropped one on the fucking thing.

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damn, that actually made me lol, what's even funnier is the thing used to be called Rufus, fucking clown world

It also boils down to civilian companies refusing to commit money to research, quarterly gains are more important than long term profits. Nuclear power companies started to character assassinate scientists that proposed research towards safer reactor types in 60's and 70's. Some of them very people that earlier on developed the tech they were marketing. On publicly funded projects new governments tend to kill projects started by previous governments in favor of their own pet projects. Regardless are we talking about president led systems like US or more parliamentary systems like most of the Europe. Priorities shift after elections.

Basically everything done by NASA since Apollo program is perfect example of this. Then there was long term political commitment from both parties actually complete the mission and to fucking go to the moon. Supply chain of NASA and old space companies are extremely fractioned because they need to contract carpet every state to get political support from house and senate. Shuttle was unsafe because they had to get solid rocket boosters from one supplier that was in shittiest possible location in regards to logistics. They needed support from a senator from Utah to get funding, so this moron from Utah forced the issue. Given the states demographics asshole was probably also a mormon in addition to moron. If we look at post Shuttle programs, everything done by NASA is delayed by shifting priorities and having to re-use existing systems as much as possible. Add shifting priorities from Bush2 to Obama to Trump admins and you are starting to understand why NASA has managed to spend billions producing almost nothing. Whole Constallation program with Ares, SLS, Orion-capsule, EDS, Altair and shit. Next gen US space capsule will use service module from ESA's Automated Transfer Vehicle made by Airbus, because the thing they spend billions to develop doesn't actually work. Cheaper to outsource.

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You could excuse it by saying they were pioneers that didn't really know what the fuck they were doing but this stuff isn't supposed to happen 70 years after we've been studying this shit.

The best way to dispose of it will be when railgun technology is good enough to launch projectiles into orbit.
There's no risk of it going wrong and would be much cheaper than rockets

Until some fuckhead decides it would be better to just fling it at the enemy.

yeah, good point, now I'm not going to go and say it's because of (((them))), but it's really fucking "funny" when you boil down shit it's always just about money and nothing else really, aren't I so very profound? But you are right.
well, idk user if I don't know whether the water in the bath is hot or cold I might stick my pinky in to check, not my balls, but yeah, we sure should've learned better since

>also a mormon in addition to moron
those are interchangeable

>black scientist in USSR
ahahahahahaha

m-m-maybe he’s from Cuba?

>jumping on the chernobyl bandwagon
STALKER is the real kino

Good film.

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That core was supposed to be used in Operation Crossroads. In cancelled Charlie shot, but that was cancelled due to Baker shot being far more effective wrecking shit and causing local fallout than anticipated. Core was recycled.

You gotta go somewhere better defined than than Earth or heliocentric orbits. Statistically a lot of it will rain back on this planet, even if it is safe for few centuries.

Best option is to use nuclear waste as fuel on breeder reactors and fucking burn it. Shit that comes out of those is more radioactive, but has much shorter half-life and is guaranteed to decay to safe levels in few thousand years. A duration that we can certainly isolate it from the nature with the current tech. That was how US was originally going to get rid of it, until Carter admin cut most of the funding to breeder reactors. Clinton finished the job in 90's by killing much scaled down experiments that survived Carter and Reagan admins. Clintons actions alone lost couple decades out of research. Gotta serve campaign financiers from the oil industry that own both parties. Now we have few startups dealing with breeder designs. Traditional nuclear power industry isn't willing to commit their own money for basic research on better tech. Hasn't been since 60's.

It always boils down to money and political commitment to actually solve the issues. In 40's and 50's all ground work for current generation reactor types was funded by military in US, France, UK and Soviet Union. China and India are now doing same. Common thing is nuclear powered submarines. Small pressurized water reactors are safe and tested tech. Testing was expensive in regards to western powers, most of very experimental phase was funded by US Navy. Ironically future president Carter was heavily involved in early nuclear submarine and reactor development.

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idris elba

dont some of these higher levels correspond with mountain ranges which have an inate higher level

Not a single darkie. First guy in control room is just lit darkly. Actor seem to be pretty good match of the real life guy.

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Problem is slightly more complicated than just King Nigger. It involves more idiots like local senators, environmental activists and plain old NIMBY's.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZwY2E0hjGuU

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see? this is how it's supposed to look like. no reason to remake it except to make it into teenage drama for 'murrican audience

>1 death due to the fukushima reactor is enough to doubt it

>Look up Vladimir Komarov. You even have his last transmission crying and cursing them for send him to space in a shoddy incomplete craft.

Wasnt this the same guy whos friend forced them to have an open casket funeral, so that every cocksucker beuracrat had to come and pay their respects and get an eyeful of his burnt corpse to see what they had done?

Komarov arranged an open casket funeral. Here are Soviet officials examining his remains.

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Average Americans and Bongs are too lazy subtitles. Production values on that Ukrainian show seem to be decent, but I'm triggered by the helicopter crash sequence. Mi-8 didn't crash on that evaporation stack of cooling cooling system. It crashed on crane on reactor 5/6 construction site. Also it didn't have rocket pod mounting bars installed, those were used in Chernobyl for spray hose mounts on helicopters used for spraying "burba". Cheap stock CGI model for Mi-17 is easy to spot.

It was Komarov himself that dictated open casket funeral in his will. That shit was pretty complicated. They absolutely wouldn't risk Gagarin on the first flight of untested hardware. Gagarin and Komarov wrote memos trying to postpone the mission. Komarov broke the official line of communication through the ranks of the system because official bureaucracy didn't work. He was on friendly basis with one of the KGB guys watching over cosmonauts, he made the safety issues known to KGB and highest political leadership. Flight went on and Komarov died.

When the news of his death reached top leadership. Party chairman Brezhnev and Andropov (2nd in command in KGB, not yet formally in charge of KGB, he would be promoted within a month, future gerontocrat in charge of everything in SU after Brezhnev kicked the bucket) were furious, not about technical issues, but by breach of protocol and getting bad press over the death of cosmonaut. Premier Alexei Kosygin (in charge of most of civilian admin) cried over incompetence of bureaucracy and their own involvement in having the first flight on politically convenient date.

The KGB agent that reported the issues and broke protocol was demoted and reassigned.

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>Yea Forums nuclear dynamics