SLAVERY BAD!

i get what you're saying but that wasn't my point.
Honestly i don't think the ruling class would give a flying shit in the setting they're in...
Slavery only started being frowned upon when it stopped being less profitable than having free educated people, i'm just pointing out how out of place that is

waifu
not _____fu
quit stealing Yea Forums's terms and bastardizing them

If the cultures you've been exposed to all have slavery then you've been conditioned to approve of slavery. You're just imagining the ethics you've been conditioned towards as some kind of baseline.

>BREAK THE WHEEL
>I DESERVE TO BE IN CHARGE BECAUSE MY DAD WAS IN CHARGE

then how did people come to reject slavery retard? it had to start with someone

She definitely doesn't advocate democracy. And pretty much all her advisors are guys.

>

because it wasn't economically viable, downie

>then how did people come to reject slavery retard?
Industrialization made using machines cheaper than owning and tending to large groups of humans.

>inb4 her male advisors ''convince'' her to implement democracy since she already can't have kids

not the abolishment niggers
the moral rejection

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>>DEMOCRACY GOOD!
Are you a sandnigger?

the whole slave army thing is a retarded idea and that's all on martin.
>lets treat our entire military brutally like slaves then sell them to the highest bidder, what's the worst that can happen?

>It's fantasy so nothing has to make sense.

Book Dany is an actually fleshed out character, and her ideals are shown to be flawed over and over again. Don't blame Grrm for Dabid's fuck up.

the moral rejection started in regions which were already not doing it for other reasons, moron. that's what everyone is trying to tell you

Slavery still had plenty of educated people against it in its heyday, there just wasn't enough of them in power (until there were enough). Most people of course fell in the "Well heyyy slavery ain't great but the 'conomy man, stability! We can't get rid of slavery just yet - unfortunately" camp

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be a slave. I guess you're right that the ruling class wouldn't give a shit. But like, you probably wouldn't be the ruling class getting to lord over the peasants.

holy shit dude do you have any idea how long that took... and it only became morally rejected in the west, barley

why the fuck has this missandei and grey wurm love story lasted this long

who the fuck gives a shit about EITHER OF THEM

You have no clue what postmodern means. Hint: it doesn't mean "an even more modern version of Modernism"

Those are Enlightenment ideals, not postmodern

of course there were always people who were against slavery, but i doubt the whole system changed because more people up top got educated and became anti-slavers

Every thread makes me hate this show more and more.
Thanks assholes

you dumbasses read the fucking bible
they were already telling people to not own slaves way before slavery was abolished and that slaves should obey their masters so that they would have a moral upper hand or some shit

yeah enlightenment you're right. i know what post-modern means i just couldn't find the right word, but there it is

Sorry if it's too normified for your taste, snowflake.

i'm not saying slavery is good and natural, i'm just saying anti-slavery didn't become mainstream until it became more profitable

I expect her to go crazy at the end of the show which was already implied when she burned those two Lannisters. Then she will be betrayed by Tyrion who won't allow her to execute Jamie. Snow will either become the ruler or kill both her and himself due to some incest Targaryen once he finds out. I swear if they go for some sort of "yass queen slay" ending I'll be fucking mad.

>But like, you probably wouldn't be the ruling class getting to lord over the peasants.
well first off in the context of this conversation she was.

also you're probably less conditioned to approve of it as someone who didn't get to own slaves but you're at least conditioned towards thinking it's acceptable.

i honestly hope they all die... but even that ending wouldn't be a complete redemption

What would be a complete redemption in your book user?

>Talks about breaking the wheel.
>Is the fucking wheel.

yeah but read this retard's post he's basically saying there couldn't possibly be a person who was anti-slavery if they were exposed exclusively to cultures that approved of slavery, which is retarded

>SLAVERY BAD
Well, that's pretty much agreed upon in Westeros
>DEMOCRACY GOOD
She basically believes she is born to rule and didn't help Jon until he bent the knee
>MEN BAD
Only one woman in her entourage, closest friends and adviseres are men
>WOMAN STRONG
Believes in her own strenght, not in every women
I mean, i get what you are trying to do, and i hate NPC ideology in my shows as much as the next incel in this hell hole, but if you believe this you have a great lack of intellectual abilities

that she basically becomes the mad king and the ''wheel'' just keeps turning...
i'm just sick of all the virtue signaling in every single Hollywood-esque show, it would be nice to see some self consciousness for a change

>dragons, zombies, magic
YAY
>old humanistic ideas like democracy or anti-slavery
IT MAKES NO SENSE SJWS RUIN EVERYTHING

>Brazil one of the biggest countries on the slave commerce(bigger than even the US) as pressured by the UK to abolish slavery because of economical reasons, not moral ones
>It only had it there in the first place because it was still profitable, and nearly nobody had access to machinery.
>machinery was more profitable on that time for production than owning slaves.
Fucking retarded.

it doesn't actually say that, illiterate butthurt user.

>Democracy good
Are you a jew?

who the fuck cares what happened in your shithole you fucking animal

he was replying to a guy who said someone could be anti-slavery REGARDLESS of conditioning, something that clearly happened in history as i just showed you, but because he wanted to sound smart and talk about deterministic ethics he shoved his head up his ass

GoT is very unsubtle liberal propaganda dreck written by a very openly liberal hack. He won the popularity lottery like JK Rowling did (another extremely liberal writer) - there's nothing about their writing that is particularly good, insightful or original, they just struck viral success.

Of course, the fact that almost every kind of media/fiction that does get popular is plainly espousing liberal ideals could indicate one of a number of things:
-that it's not a grassroots kind of popularity and instead the media elites can generate popularity through careful manipulation of what the masses see and how they see it/how it's marketed
-that the vast majority of people creating this stuff are also liberals themselves (and if the elites who control who can get to their positions are liberal this works in their favour)
-that the masses themselves are biased towards liberal ideals and hence gravitate towards media/fiction that conforms to their beliefs (less likely since we know about 50/50 of any populace aren't typical 'liberals' and there are tons of fictions that espouse the same beliefs, so we're back to square one of wondering why some get popular and others don't)

tl;dr The masses see what the elites want them to see

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Agree. I guess people that misunderstood J Peterson, think everything "progressist" is posmodern

facts

>The masses see what the elites want them to see
>that applies only to things I don't like btw

If I remember correctly she was way different in the books. She still had those traits but was a terrible ruler not some sort of "YAS QQWEEN" icon.

I thought she was GRRMs take on modern liberal values in medieval times, they just wouldn't work, especially when they are being enforced by a 14 year old girl who's been traumatized, has 3 reusable nukes, is surrounded by yes men, and has a streak of insanity running through her family.

The show basically took her positive traits and amplified them while removing the negative.

there are history books you can read user

I don't know bros I feel like they left too many subplots and unfinished stories for a single season to do them any justice. They will either focus on the "army of the dead" plot killing off all characters you know and love without doing them justice or they will fuck up by ending the night king threat in first 3 episodes focusing on drama. Either way expect Littlefinger tier shit writing (guy who was being hyped as most cunning and dangerous man in Westeros dies in what I would call a "home alone" moment - being played by two girl).

read all the posts before you reply huemonkey, this shit isn't about economy

>shows and example of a country big on the slave trade that stopped doing it because of economic reasons.
>"hurr durr nobody cares"
low IQ people like you should not be allowed to post.

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k weeb

I can't speak for most of the rest of the world but pre and during civil war most people thought the idea of abolishing slavery was a decent one they just didn't want the freed slaves to stay here.

>G.R.R's attempt at shoehorning post-modern ideals into a clearly not post-modern time setting isn't the least bit subtle
People in the past believed in things like democracy or that slavery was evil, that's not new. The "women good/men bad" thing is show only.

>He says as conservative comedians, actors and activists get banned of "open" social media platforms that advertise themselves for everyone while in reality being private propaganda machines.

>history books
implying HISTORY BOOKS are a reliable source...
i believe in reliable sources but i just don't think ''history books'' are one of those.
Songs are more reliable ffs...

>>SLAVERY BAD!
>>DEMOCRACY GOOD!

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you are correct except for
>The show basically took her positive traits and amplified them while removing the negative.
the viewers are tards so they see the negative, the stuff RR was showing, as positive. her whole character is strange because it does not fit the ice and fire world. She gets an army in seconds, an army of robot people. in reality someone of her character could never amount to anything, starting a religious cult after her husband died and "growing" up mentally would have been more likely outcome

fucking nigger, get your moralfaggetery out of here, most of the reasons why countries around the world stopped supporting slave labor was because of commercial reasons, not moral ones fucking brainlet.

and btw what even do you define as a history book?

What economic reasons, asking legit. What are the downsides of owing people who have to do whatever you say and can be made to work more than is reasonable.

based schizo poster

that makes more sense now that you point it out

>implying HISTORY BOOKS are a reliable source...
>Anti-intellectualism
That's one way to cope with being dumb and wrong, I guess...

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it lacks nuance.

shut your fucking mouth retard, you can't argue against historical facts, people knew slavery was fucked up before your spoiled faggot ass was even born and now you're here pretending to be all edgy like a fucking teenager

>tranny outs himself as anti-intellectual again

Slavery was banned in many European countries during medieval times because it was unchristian to enslave fellow christian. Not commercial reasons, moral ones.

Book Daenerys is very flawed and her whole arc is about trying to civilize a barbaric culture only making things worse

Show is a different story though

Slavery is half bad half good?

The average "normie" back when slavery was a thing believed that single adult women were witches, blacks were less than human and that you can get shot like a dog if you get caught on someone's property. The idea that slavery was an acceptable thing outside of rich elites who prospered from it isn't that far fetched.

>Accepting history books as concrete evidence of history just because they're called ''history books''
That's one way to cope with being dumb and wrong, I guess...

>get your moralfaggetery out of here

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>having to feed, take care, dress and to shelter someone that usually dies is more profitable than paying a random wagie to work for nearly nothing and without any worker rights at the time.

good thing that no one is denying slavery was accepted by regular people

>as concrete evidence
Never said that, but what helps you sleep at night.

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Show was the same until D&D faggots ran out of OC.

no shit bro did you just find that out?

My guess is that it's meant for a consolation prize for the non-whites since this is one of very VERY few shows wherein all non-whites have a minor role.

Thing is, I'm pretty sure that even the non-whites don't give a shit about it. I'm black myself but I didn't come into Game of Thrones to see a mutt dickless fucker and a mutt ex-slave try to fuck each other. I came for the medieval politicking and other fantasy stuff.

We know. History is right when it's about white males ruling, but wrong about women, black people, and the holocaust.

>Atheists have no morals
Please tell me you don't actually think this

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i also never said anything against BOOKS being a credible source of information...

Based black man.

You asked, somebody has to tell the obvious.

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the other user did, i'm pretty sure i didn't

>I came for the medieval politicking and other fantasy stuff.
Ditto.

its more like
>have someone earn money for themselves and then take a cut from it while still having them work for you.

>Yass queen gets whatever she wants because of muh dragons
>army is comprised of dickless men and middle easterns
>all leaders are women, except a disabled man, and two other men who also don't have dicks
>lord of light gender politics
>grayworm sex scene, you don't need to have a dick to be a man! (we want the trans community)
>Euron riding through the cheering crowd
>"i'm hard"
>MACULINITY IS EVIL
>Dothraki suddenly becoming upstanding citizens after centuries of raping and pillaging because some blonde fatass said so
>"Do you know what kept me standing all those years in exile? Faith. Not in any gods. Not in myths. Not in legends. In myself."
>DUDE JUST BE YOURSELF LMAO BUT HAVE SOME DRAGONS AND AN ARMY OF SAVAGES

You guys realize her company is literally not allowed to lose, right?

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>then take a cut
Theft

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based.
GOT is very white. in ice and fire all the people of color are elsewhere, being pirates or exotic. we have visited the locations few times but the show runners did not bother doing them properly

Without God, there is no basis for an objective morality.

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With god, it's not morality if it's just a fear of punishment.

I mean they're shown as pretty flawed in the show too. She just fucks (or leads on) whatever guy she needs to for that season's problem.

>read the fucking bible
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

>With laws, it's not order, it's fear of jail
You don't realize how lost you are without God.

Yeah the hypocrisy of her character and her naivety seem to be completely lost on D and D

A proposition is objective if its truth value is independent of the person uttering it. A fact is objective in the same way.

For morality to be objective, moral propositions such as "Killing is bad","Stealing is bad", etc... need to be true independently of the person who is stating them.

Moral statements are basically statements of value. Some value statements are clearly subjective: "Tabasco flavored ice cream tastes good" can be true for me, but false for you.

The challenge for finding an objective morality (independent of God) is to somehow demonstrate that a moral statement like "Helping others is good" or "Raping is bad" is true independently of the observer or subject of the statement.

There are ways to do this without resorting to God. One example is Kant, with his famous categorical imperatives. His approach to making morality objective rests on idea of whether a course of action can be applied in any situation whatsoever. If so then, it is true in all cases, and it is (objectively) moral.

Another approach is utilitarianism, where instead of trying to analyze the act itself, you measure the outcome: Which course of action leads to the greatest good for the greatest number of people? The objectivity for utilitarians comes from the statistical nature of the way goodness is assessed. Although the outcome of the act is subjective for each person, the overall truth of the statement depends on summing the value of the outcome for all people, and becomes objective that way.

In practice, both Kantian and utilitarian ethics have their challenges, but they are good starting points for an objective morality independent of God (or Gods).

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>>SLAVERY BAD!
I'm just sick of anti-slavery crusader-trope.
Slavery is a quite complicated topic; banning slavery immediately only prevents de jure slavery, which makes things only worse. If you want to end slavery, it must be done gradually, start off by giving slaves the right to buy their freedom and force the slave owners to pay a small pension to their slaves. Continue, those small steps, until the slaves are almost identical to servants than you can officially ban slavery.

Also, I like how Arlan Senki subverts the slavery crusader trope, by the fact that the slaves Arslan releases attack Arslan for killing their master and releasing them because they have nowhere to go. I think Martin's books do something similar to a small extent but show completely removed it.

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Snow is so empty as a character that he is prob next night king.

Her burning people alive is shown in a positive light, and the audience literally cheers whenever she does it. All irony is completely lost on the masses that watches this show, and probably on the creators too. There will be no big subversion, no twist. She will burn anyone who opposes her and in the end be hailed, both in and out of universe.

>I'm just sick of anti-slavery crusader-trope.
It's a matter of fiction imitating reality.

>law
>moral
yeah arslan and magi did it well

Kant endeavored to maintain Christian ethics without God and failed miserably.

I don't see anyone rejecting smartphones and tablets and shit, all these things made by actual slaves in the third world.

But it can* be done.

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Human laws may or may not be moral. God's laws, however, are always moral by definition, for He is the ultimate moral arbiter.

Give me an example of a successful anarchist society.

How does Anarchy work when some old money sociopath decides they want to start a slave colony?

please dont remind me of exphil in midst of my shitposting sessions

>moral rejection
yeah let's just move our production to south east asia, where the hipsters can't see the slaves

The "moral of the story" of any past story (that's actually completed) by GRRM are succinctly:
>War is bad
>Religion is bad
>Feminism is good
>Feudalism is bad and shouldn't be romanticized

You shouldn't be surprised when his Magnum Opus spouts the same beliefs.

no, you tard. i was replying to someone who said you don't have to be conditioned against slavery to dislike slavery. i pointed out that it's not just being a matter of "not being conditioned against it". it's a matter of going against conditioning towards it.

i was taking issue with the insinuation that there was a neutral option between being told slaves are fine and being told slavery is bad where a culture didn't push either idea. he did not explicitly imply this but his phrasing suggested he might be looking at it from that paradigm because it included unnecessary negations

however you misinterpreted this because you're an argumentative moron who can't fathom trying to make any point besides a complete refutation

she does fucked up things in the show as well, but then she's presented as unambiguously good (mostly by other characters praising and adoring her incessantly). in the books, it's never really established if she's good in the first place.

Lel, I know that dishonest question. You would reject any I offer.
I'm no expert, so I'll just admit I'm not sure but have read many scholars who have solutions and pointed to nominally anarchist regions that dealt effectively law enforcement.
Sorry.

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>God
You mean Yahweh?

Anarchy is a meme
they attack one by one.

How many of those scholars would starve to death in an anarchist society?

are you missing the "it was advanced technology and micro organisms" part?

Don't be evasive, user. What's dishonest about the question? If you have an example of a successful anarchist society just post it, and then we can see if it's actually anarchist and successful.

Of course. The One God.

It works the same way as when someone stomps the anarcuck - the reat of anarcucks will atart yelling 'Police, police'

rent free

That's not a moral of the story though. But obviously magic doesn't real in Westeros, as Bakkalon is worshipped by the Lysene. It's the Thousand Worlds.

Her actions make more sense when you remember she's 13 but Martin goes out of his way to show that most of her decisions do not end well. The show is just inexcusable

Except werent the people in slavers bay or whatever its called literally the only people who used slaves? Didnt Daenerys literally grow up in a place called the "free cities"? They didnt use slaves in westeros either i dont think. So even by your explanation she wouldnt be conditioned to support slavery.

>Lel, I know that dishonest question. You would reject any I offer.
as a wise man once said You'll never know if you don't go
You'll never shine if you don't glow
>scholars who have solutions and pointed to nominally anarchist regions that dealt effectively law enforcement.
"scholars " chomsky is a shill, not a scholar. you don't know yet you advocate for it as the better way of life. reminds me of anarchist protesters who organized a hierarchy without any self awareness

Dany does literally nothing right in the entire story. She stumbles around, fucks things up for everyone but gains more and more power due to her dragons, not because of her good ideas.

GRRM isn't a hack, he didn't win a popularity lottery. He's been a full time writer twice as long as you or I have been alive. What part of the books are liberal propoganda, in your opinion (somebody who only watched the show)?

>they attack one by one.
No.
Revolutionary Catalonia.

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you're backpedaling so hard holy shit it's fucking embarrassing to watch

>tfw Martin wrote on several occasions about a 13 year old girl getting her pusy forcibly pounded
No way he isnt a pedo right?

I expect him to give some wishy washy answer like how anarchy is all around and we just don't call it that, its mixed into the working system and thus exist by its side like in the economic world. never met an anarchist or a libertarian who was not a total retard

>chomsky is a shill, not a scholar.
Don't say that!

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Not him but I think people call GRRM a hack because he more or less endorses the show fully despite it deviating from the source in major ways and doesn’t care about some of the more nuanced themes being lost in the process

Because the north was envious of the production the south got through slaves and decided to level the financial playground by decreeing slavery should be abolished. Thus began the war of northern aggression.

Or maybe. Just maybe. Conservative """"artists"""" are just shit at their work? Someone spouting their conservative beliefs in their work is probably more cringe than when some faggot fucking liberal does it. GRR never spouted his political beliefs in ASOIF, so you are talking out of your ass.

there are at least 3 major cities (who are basically countries) that trade in slaves. dothraki enslave people and own slaves. "free" can easily be refraining to anything else. "all men are created equal" etc
also here is a snip from a wiki "It is not uncommon for the Volantene to mark the faces of their slaves and servants with tattoos as well." so at least some of the free cities own slaves.

>Revolutionary Catalonia
>Socialist rule of the region began with the Spanish Revolution of 1936, resulting in workers' control of businesses and factories, collective farming in the countryside, and attacks against Spanish nationalists and the Catholic clergy. The growing influence of the Communist Party of Spain's (PCE) Popular Front government and their desire to nationalize revolutionary committees and militias brought it into conflict with the CNT and POUM, resulting in the May Days and the eventual replacement of the CNT by the PCE as the major political force in Catalonia until the arrival of the fascists.
A three-year commie uprising in a small part of Spain is an example of a successful anarchist society?

>literally grow up
and the merchant dude in whos house she grew up in had slaves. including 2 unsullied

Please don't diminish their achievements.

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He's always said the show is the show and the book is the book. Frankly he sold his soul away to HBO, even if he did come fully out and say the show is shit it won't stop them. He has no control, better to just let it be and collect paychecks.

>liberal propoganda
non? he does try to go for women strong,etc but he is not obnoxious about it. I found it more annoying how he will become obsessed with one word and suddenly the whole book is full of it and everyone is pissing, shitting, eating, etc.

I guess anarchists have low standards of success, but that's to be expected.

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>nuh uh you don't understand what your post meant
>you obviously meant things that weren't actually in the post because otherwise i'm exposed as a retard who seeks out imagined arguments instead of replying to what is said
ok

Why is slavery good

Thomas Aquinas was against slavery

>you obviously meant things that weren't actually in the post
literally what you just tried to do with all that backpedaling lmao

meh. personally I found the books overwritten and unfocused

I really can't get into a historical setting if the dialogue sounds like it comes from present-day reddit or twitter.
Is there a good example of a show/movie that accurately depicts medieval beliefs, values, and speech? I hear Kingdom Come: Deliverance managed to write unironic Christians without winking and nodding.

Because then some nigger has to do the work i dont want to do and for pretty cheap. And if he gets uppity I can just beat him like a disobedient dog.

>women strong

>Cersei
Crazy paranoid
>Dany
Not even a year into her rule Mereen is threatened by a massive army, Astapor's council was overthrown and forced into a war against Yunkai and there are terrorists in the streets.
>Sansa
scared young girl, littlefinger pawn
>Arya
scared young girl, faceless men pawn

There might only be two very competent female characters in the series Olenna Tyrell, an incredibly old and cunning woman and Brienne. Brienne is just a good knight, except she's female. Women don't accomplish much in the books, but neither do men. the point is men can suck as much as women and that feudalism is a bad system that leads to poor rulers.

>nignogs
>productive
top kek

>kingdom come: White Power
Fucking disgusting. This is an alt right free board. Sorry

>envious of the production of the south
>when the north actually had higher production levels
What did user mean by this?

i explained my motivation for making the point i did in my post because you apparently did not understand why someone might think that point was worth replying about. spelling out the motivation explicitly was not necessary to understand the post

you're just sperging out about how there must have been additional arguments being made because no one would say something that didn't contradict the post they were replying to.

don't recall actual arguments for it, just saw a Preston Jacobs vid

>G.R.R's attempt at shoehorning
Fatman portrays her as being young, entitled, and somewhat retarded. All of the strong womyn BS is entirely HBO's doing.

Congratulations, you've just realised GOT is trash written by a leftists whoose only saving grace are his right wing fetishes

"people must learn our peaceful ways by force"

to be fair, preston is right. GRRM is a feminist and the story will have feminist themes, but at present it's not STRONG WOMEN. If anything the story will have powerful female characters and it'll show that the lack of inclusion for women in ruling is missing out competent people, not that women can't be evil and shit (cersei).

It has to end on democracy, or least some form of elective monarchy and a law shift to cognatic rather than male preference

But that’s morally wrong and I should kill you for suggesting forcing people to do your bidding is good

when did she ever say men are bad? I think you're just a retard

who said democracy was peaceful?

no faggot, you backpedaled and completely changed the meaning of your post because you were btfo

Democracy is not the problem; Seething Succubus whores are. Just ask Jorah-the cuck-Mormont.

I think his point (its been like a year and a half since I saw the vid) was that RR was doing feminism right, instead of being all ra ra girl powa like the show.

Sounds like preston.
George "Salad Dressing" Martin understands old feminism, he's like 90 years old.

how exactly is the show like that?

if your interpretation of meaning was correct you could point out where it occurred. but you can't.

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Youre aware the heyday of slavery was the ancient world where slaves was the norm.

Ancient Greece, Imperial Rome, Dynastic Egypt, Ancient Persia, Germania and Gaulish tribes - everyone took slaves.

The only people who ever globally outlawed large scale slavery were western white men in the last 300 years - something unprecedented in human history. White men are probably the most morally benevolent group of people that have and will ever exist

Im sorry my anarchist frendo, I don't have time for your bullshit

>Democracy good
When has she ever been a supporter of democracy?

Its good for me bitch

Don't forget to clean your axe wound and dilate. Also don't think about the 41% suicide rate either, otherwise you'll just add to the stats.

Triggered incel

People didn't reject slavery if anything they molded into accepting it more then ever. There were way more land owners in the past then there are today. Most people now either live in a capitalist society where majority work for the primary investor or multiple and or the creator of company, thinking that somehow profits and hard work mean they will get a promotion but that is completely opposite how capitalism works. or communist one where they forced to work for everyone else when it really means working for plenty of of parasites.

So what if I kidnapped you and made you my slave, or your mother and made her my fuck slave

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its my fetish

i did multiple times already and each time you came with a dumber post to avoid admitting you're a retard who thinks he can argue against historical facts
and all because you thought being an edgy teenager on an anonymous imageboard would be cool

Okay, this is epic.

>i-it occurred in that post because i said so
if your interpretation of the meaning of a post was correct you could point out where in the post it occurred.

i you weren't a retard you wouldn't be asking me to btfo you again

>slavery is bad!
>living as a serf is totally not like living as a slave
fucking retards. if somre people living in a village escape to some other land, the lord searches for them to return. the feudal lord basically owns the people living in his feud. servitude is basically slavery with a bigger cage.

Game of Thrones isn’t good. I hate fantasy shit

There are slaves in the free cities, except for Braavos which is vehemently abolitionist. "Free City" refers to them being cities founded as self-governing cities directly under crown of the Valyrian Freehold.

you'll never be a woman m8

you'll never have sex m8

>tfw you'll never have sex or be a woman

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>tfw pedanticweebfu
why even live bros?

>XDD LE WAIFU LE WAIFU
>Yea Forums terms
you mean normalfag terms. ironic weebs need to kill themselves. also go back to youtube.

>Maybe, just maybe

You have to go back.

I mean, there's a lot of things people are normally conditioned to find "acceptable" that I disagree with, like the state of housing or the existence of large societies, or age of consent laws or the idea of humans being a placated workforce rather than solitary single digit group predators, but then I'm also an outlier.

kys retard

>white woman leads a horde of third world brown savages into the first world
This is a perfect depiction of the modern female if she were given any considerable power, Merkel, anyone?

>retard still mad he got utterly btfo
lmao you don't even deserve a (you)

PEDOSCUM

you're welcome in my ethnostate any time, friend.

Kek. Thinking women feel guilt or consequence for their actions. Oh user, you little rascal.

t. NPC

You're talking about a generation that refers to Harry Potter as if it's a real thing with real applications in the actual world. How many retards have you seen screen their worldview through the lens of fucking Voldemort or some other stupid character? Many, no doubt.

Those kinds of people eat this shit up. They love that Dany is a perfect girl with perfect looks, unwarranted power, and has no flaws to speak of whatsoever. They want her to win because she's the most vanilla generic safe and default modern day heroine imaginable. She does literally nothing and wins every time because other people carry out her will, and this is considered a virtue and "empowering" somehow. The only way for this show to be redeemed in the end is if she's straight up fucking killed on screen. Forever shatter those Mary Sue delusions for a generation of future sterile landwhales blogging about knitted hats.

Unironically this, but this was shown to be virtuous on screen rather than catastrophic. I'm sure those 50,000 brown swarthy mobile rape machines on horseback will suddenly dump their "toxic masculinity" and immediately cease slaving and raping because Dany gave them a stern look and a talking to about being naughty.

where are you getting this three quotation marks on each end from? is this some new reddit thing i haven't seen yet?

plz let this happen.

Remember Stanis.

There's nothing more cringe than people advocating for anarchy when they couldn't go without internet, electricity, fast food, or central heating for two hours without turning into a blubbering mess. You can have anarchy right now, just go move to Africa. This
>I want an anarchistic society with all the services and creature comforts of a Western capitalist democracy ;)
shtick is for cringey teens.

>SLAVERY BAD!

She doesn't care about this, she evn allow people to sell themselves later while taxing them.

dont worry user, she'll be the one to make the heroic sacrifice to stop the white walkers to become the most importantest hero in the world

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>SLAVERY BAD!
Yes, it is.
>DEMOCRACY GOOD!
She wants to be queen run a democracy retard

>>MEN BAD!
>>WOMEN STRONG!
when did she say this

It won't. You'll get the Dany-Jon soap opera fuck fuck ending. But the double Jews will do something lame and try to make it "bittersweet" somehow, though not really, by doing something like having them both go
>alright yay we won but we in love now so no want rule now okay byeeeeeeeeeeeee~!!
and fly off on their dragons or some shit. Then all the subhuman 80-IQ viewers will go "Awww, that's so saaaad! But at least they're together! #relationshipgoals".

I'd settle for Dany fucking dying but really it'd take half the cast dying to bring this thing up to an acceptable level. And the villains shouldn't die either, just to make it somewhat believable. Have Euron live or something.

Slavery is morally bad and if Heaven and Hell is just then all the supporters would be in hell

BUT

with that being said

Slavery was abolished under economic reasons, not moral reasons

People were assholes back then, accept it

So why comment on it faggot?

dany is infertile so the black slave girl is going to be named heir. callin it right now.

It´s symbolic.

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It's bad enough to be modern television. I bet this happens.

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Slavery is actually justified in all three Semitic religions, lel

Reddit might be a better website for you my friend. Maybe you should go on there to spend your time. Thanks for taking the time to read my reply. Have a wonderful day.

because you replied to me subhuman

It's not a matter of people with ideas opposing their culture's literally never existing. It's just ridiculously convenient that this plot armored conqueror who gets to pull dragons out of her ass and never had anyone suggest this idea to her happens to be one of those few people so the story can have modern ideals in it. Also she just happens to be a female who is btfoing the patriarchy by showing that girls can be military leaders too (which I think was still a thing in the books. maybe less of one)

>reject slavery
but you're a fucking slave user

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>tfw there will never be a show or a movie where a woman employs actual battle tactics in a logical manner using the forces and technology at hand to defeat enemies, and instead will always be Mary Sues with superpowers than can effortlessly hand-wave the evil bad penis monsters out of her way with a smirk and a witty quip.

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I wonder how Martin feels about the show glorifying her burning people alive? His anti-war sentiment comes from Vietnam after all.

so is he a real vet or a refrigerator repairman vet or just some dirty hippie

Draft dodger. But that's besides the point. Vietnam is famous for the use of napalm, so I doubt martin likes the shows spin.

Not everyone took the bluepill
t. active anarcho-primitivist

>whether a course of action can be applied in any situation whatsoever
what can? how does that make morality objective?
>summing the value of the outcome for all people
I kill you, good for me, bad for you, bad for your friend. Morality becomes objective because your friends feelings are hurt?

>active anarcho-primitivist
good on you desu, post off grid cabin

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Everything but the first part was written entirely for the show and she only has that view after seeing how the Masters treat their slaves.

Morality is a spook.

>with active internet

>GRRM
>understanding women

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that's... I mean, many infertile people would kill for the ability to have children, but yeah, I suppose the fact that you have intentionally rendered yourself infertile by wasting the time of doctors is a cause for celebration.

The drama and elemental tragedy of Yea Forums culture summed up in 3 posts. Pure kino.

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>morality objective rests on idea of whether a course of action can be applied in any situation whatsoever
>Which course of action leads to the greatest good for the greatest number of people?

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The books acknowledge that she's constantly fucking up and digging herself a deeper hole, but the show seems to try to spin it more positively. Either way she hasn't suffered any real consequences and it's frustrating.

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post proof

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>Forever shatter those Mary Sue delusions for a generation of future sterile landwhales blogging about knitted hats.

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Mos women want Jon Snow, not the Hound. Only the creeps in fandom want Sansan.

>Implying were all not still slaves.

Americans believe that white people literally went to Africa and chased niggers through the jungles with nets and shit to forcefully enslave poor bastards. Don't know if that's what they are told at school or the product of their superior brains.

People are still assholes now and it's even more evident with social media. You can wish death upon some fuck you've never met or seen with the difference that now he can read it.

Ellaria Sand
Queen of Thorns
Yara

Vs

GreyWorm
Tyrion
Jorah Mormont
The Spider

Seems pretty close to 50 50

He's all about historical accuracy. That shit used to happen alot and it still happens. I think he's got some skeletons in that closet though

Do people go missing at conventions?

lol utilitaritards

t. incel

And she loved it, sadly gigachad Droggo died and she went full alpha widow.

>not actually skipping all the essos parts

did people in medieval Europe take slaves?

reddit: the post

Yes, vikings took slaves when they raided

sneed

You couldn't leave your lord's lands and you couldn't stop working. Take it as you wish.

>capitalism is even more slavery than slavery bro
Brainlet, how's your sociology uni going?

In my country in Eastern Europe the nobles, the church and the state owned slaves that were gypsies mostly and some tatars. Slavery ended in the 1840's and 1850's while peasants' obligation to the nobles were only revoked in 1860's and they received land.

I never said all slave owners were white, I'm aware every race has been victim to slavery, so enough of your "Smug redpill" bullshit

I said if heaven and hell were just
I'm aware god is probably an asshole

They did happen with the spanish on occasion because after getting rich from the slave trade the black salesman got lazy and couldn't keep up with demand for slaves.