Why he did it, is he an idiot? He wants to die?

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Those scenes where he acts like a bad guy are in the book dumbass showfag.

To finally be a hero

I hope cersy wins in the end

COME ON BOY
COME ON
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basically this

because he is the hero westeros deserves but not the one it needs

>jaime kinslaying his cousin is in the book

dumbass showfag

he has chad plot armour

post tits

Got a release date for Winds of Winter yet? Thought so.

epic. But honestly it's embarrassing how little d&d have received from George. didn't he only give them the Hold the Door thing? one (1) thing

From what I remember, they had finished manuscripts from Martin to work with. So the overal beats should be the same.

because he is azor ahai

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>He had the chance to end the war right then and there.

How? He kills her and the dragon eats him. Then they rampage and nobody can kill them. The 100k Dothraki like the warm south and stick around raping everything. The Unsullied march on King's landing and die gloriously in her name. On the other hand the wall doesn't come down and the dead can't get over it unless the zombie king had a plan beforehand. The north rebuilds, fight's off the zombies, and then build another wall to keep Cersi from rushing north to safety.

the only reasons the dothraki won is because the dragon breached the line and they were unprepared on a open field and were guarding a caravan. They can't beat a fortified lannister army.

>they would have won without the dragon
>Horribly out numbered
>Only infantry
>No cavalry support
>get flanked
What did he mean by this?

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the lannister army is still the biggest and most well equipped army in westeros thanks to Tywin

>the only reasons

They won because they were better period. Jaime says so twice. The dragon just made things go a little faster. They can't march against the Dothraki and win. With three dragons roaming around they have to worry about them randomly dropping out of the sky and shitting fire all over castles too.

kill dany and the dragons have no reason to fight a war. The dothraki have been bested before, you just can't fight them on their terms.

They said they only lost that battle because of the dragon. Surprised in open ground, outnumbered, with no cavalry of their own, they would have been encircled and slaughtered with or without dragons.

When have the Dothraki ever been bested on an open field? Based Robert even said so himself.

And the dragons have no reason to fight a war but they can still fly around and burn shit

They are dragons my dude. Imagine a trio of lions that you can't kill roaming around your neighborhood after you kill the only thing keeping them in line. You might shrug because the lady that hates you is dead but those bastards are still out there mauling and eating people and they might get you one day.

The Dothraki have been bested by men who also weren't afraid to die, and trained from birth to do nothing but fight. Guess who doesn't have those eunuchs on their side?

The terms are horselords roam the countryside raping and pillaging, and no southern army can meet them in the field.

yes but without the dragons or rather the one who controls them the war would be in it's adolescence.
never, thats my point. There are other ways to beat the dothraki. They have been beaten many times by many in essos. Jaime is probably the best general left in the show in westeros.
And the dragons will still be a problem but not an active one in the war.

you are also forgetting the ballistias.

>yes but without the dragons or rather the one who controls them the war would be in it's adolescence.
That’s just not true. That battle was the only time any of the dragons were used since landing in Westeros, and they still would have crushed the Lannister’s without them for reasons already stated. That was the majority of the Lannister army, as mentioned by multiple characters, as well as their treasury. That battle effectively ended any chance of Lannister retaliation and forced Cersei to the negotiating table, as was seen in the rest of the season.

Most cities beat the Dothraki by paying them to go fuck up some other place. You can’t do that in a united realm, especially when you don’t have gold. And if you do, then they just come to fuck you up after they’re done.

True, you can just hide in your castle, but like Robert explained the Dothraki just kill all the smallfolk who quickly turn agains you. Not to mention that now your castle has very limited food due to a long winter.

Did you actually watch the show or are you just reaching for shit you read to try to win your argument? The thing didn't do nearly as much damage as expected, they brought it along as a precaution, they only have the one, and they couldn't chase dragons around with it. They could defend a castle but the dragons would just learn to avoid them if they didn't die. They would eat the smallfolk and starve the castles.

>That was the majority of the Lannister army
false, the majority of the army was guarding the gold. What was attacked by Dany and her horde was the rear.
Had jaime killed Dany there would be no need for a negotiations

it brought one down. It nearly got Dany killed by Jaime. A dozen of them would be a serious threat to the dragons, especially without a pilot.

>The terms are horselords roam the countryside raping and pillaging, and no southern army can meet them in the field.

you don't have to, a horde army lacking military discipline can be defeated in detail and through fabian strategies.

The Dothraki wouldn't just pack up and go home man. The dragons wouldn't just flay off to die man. The Unsullied wouldn't just give up and die man. 100k undefeated horsemen is dangerous. 3 dragons are dangerous. The unsullied would fight to the last man in Her name. You're thinking about the stupid fucking throne and not about the larger ramifications of those forces rampaging across the south. Go to bed Cersi.

Killing a charismatic leader who is holding together a multi-ethnic army because they all think she is a literal goddess is the best way to destroy that army. The demoralizing effect would be almost incalculable.

It was a total defeat for the Lannisters in that battle and the gold was seized. The bulk of the Lannister army was killed or captured during that episode and Danny executed anyone who wouldn’t join her. That was the outcome with or without the dragon. It was unwinnable conditions for the Lannisters. What are you even trying to argue?

The unsullied would lose, they are overratted and don't have the numbers. The dragons would go on random killing sprees and if they were to get involved with any future battles they would kill in indiscriminately.
The only problem is the dothraki hordes which are not un-beatable and can be dealt with by other means.

>the gold was seized
why are you such a fucking liar dude, the gold and the large forces guarding it made it to kingslanding.

>"i fail to see how he did anything wrong in the whole series"
>meanwhile in the 1st fucking episode he shoves a child out of a window
Lmao okay user

>the bulk
sure looks like the bulk

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The Dragons would go insane and fly around destroying shit for awhile. Then they would go find lairs and revert to normal dragon predatory behavior. Feeding on peasants until they were hunted down and killed.

The Dothraki would go find grasslands in the south, break into rival tribes again, and infight as much as they fought off Westerosi natives. Remember that Daneyrs decapitated their chieftain class when she took power. They could not stay united, and would have shit strategy if they did. Armored knights would destroy them eventually.

The unsullied are a technologically inferior force. They would maintain order and discipline. They would probably organize a good do-or-die assault on King's landing. But they have no logistics and are only light infantry. They would do some damage and be destroyed: either of cold or by siege weapons, Calvary, Wildfire, and archers. In the end they are mercenaries, and after some terrible defeats the survivors would probably be absorbed into the Lannister army.

i'm sure all of these guys were at the battle against the dothraki

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>the gold and the large forces guarding it made it to kingslanding
Citation needed

The Unsullied would die fighting I already said so at the start of this nonsense, but it would be a suicide march for honor. The Dothraki would wash over the land raping and pillaging the south and no army could stop them. The dragons would burn and eat as they pleased. The only way Cersi would survive is hiding in her castle, and there she would starve because the dragons and Dothraki would kill fuck and eat everything between King's landing and the north.

The Dothraki would be forced South when winter arrives and starve to death

He was depressed he cant have a piece of Arya

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before the battle a messenger tells Randyll Tarley who tells jaime that the gold made it to the gates of kingslanding, but they lost some gold and supplies and food at the rear.
And we literally see the iron bank being payed in the next episode and we know cersi buys the golden company dipshit

it's a good thing they stole all the food and gold from highgarden.
What food is the dothraki gonna eat?

> the north rebuilds, fights off the zombies, and then build another wall to keep cersei from rushing north

How stupid are you?

What are the chances the show ends with them actually defeating the white walkers, but with them still being doomed due to lack of food/other supplies due to all the warring and shit thats been going on?

>100k horsemen that's used to fighting each other and only follows strong leaders
>Set lose in a strange land without any clear leadership while fucking winter is coming
Half of them would kill each other while the other half would starve to death

and when winter comes you think the dothraki won't turn on the northerners with out food or a leader telling them to make nice?

They got just enough to pay back the old loan, she had to take out a new loan to hire the Golden Company

All you do is gather the small folk around fortified settlements at the base of castles and the Dorthraki starve themselves out

>The Unsullied would die fighting
That's true. Then they would be gone. Any victories they achieved would be Pyrrhic. Even if they could hold some territory until the end of their natural lives, they are gone in a generation. But they would not last through the next summer.

>The dragons would burn and eat as they pleased.
On a continent as large and populated as Westeros this is not a huge problem. They could be exterminated at the lesiure of the Lanisters. Remember they already have ranged weapons that can kill them.

>The only way Cersi would survive is hiding in her castle, and there she would starve because the dragons and Dothraki would kill fuck and eat everything between King's landing and the north.
The Dragons would not follow the Dothraki. Or the unsullied. No one can rally them but Dany and in this scenario she's dead. The Dothraki would go south to avoid the winter.

If the white walkers win in the end and the Night King is Azor Ahai the show will be certified kino.

to regain his honor lost long ago.

Nikolaj recently said this about S8

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>If the white walkers win

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This was the second most kino moment from the season (in a show long devoid of kino moments). Jaime became hated as a kingslayer for killing a dragon, and wanted to redeem himself by being a queenslayer in killing another.

Dumb enough to think joke was obvious I guess.

does anybody else here not want jaime to have a straightforward redemption arc? i think it would be more interesting if his story ultimately ended in a rather dark place (killing his lover/sister and then dying)

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He became a Knight

>jaime in high ranking northern armor

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That kid was a peeping tom.

a watchful protector

Who wouldn't want to peep on twincest?

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Stupid obssessed boogieman poster

This is exactly how a woman would talk. Fuck off tranny boomer faggot.

DD are saving him for the ultimate emasculation and humiliation at the hands of a POC trans woman, who will smugly grin over him.

this, he is the last man left in the show

Delivered 987 couched lance damage

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Book Jaime is based and redpilled

He's a good guy at heart but he does a lot of awful shit though admittedly for understandable reasons

Book Jaime is a bit weird.

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guy gets alot of shit thrown his way

He'll have the arc but, as you want, it won't be straight forward.

that was a pretty neato edit

kek

>scenes women will never understand

Literally and figuratively.

>flank
>a series of castles
What did the nigger subhuman tribal spearchucker mean by this?

Well put. I can't believe someone is putting serious effort into arguing that an army and a rebellion would be somehow strengthened by having their Queen murdered in battle.

cringe sp memes

Killed,not murdered but yeah. Dany didn't even have Jon's allegiance yet, and the dragons likely would have fucked off to Dorne, Dothraki could be bought with more gold than they could ever spend and ships back home, and basically you have the midget and two guys without penises leading the Unsullied against an inexplicably wildly popular Queen, Jamie, Tarly, Bronn, Euron Greyjoy and all the rest.

Jamie skewers that bitch right there and that war is over before it started.

>tfw the leaks are probably legit
>Jaime is going to die in Winterfell fighting off White Walkers
>his story line is just going to end like that
>he wont kill his sister
>he wont kill mad Dany
>he won't make sweet love to Brienne

Fuck this fucking show in the fucking ass. The one fucking character I have left and they do this to him. He doesn't deserve this.

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>redditor generalissimos thinks 100k horses centered into one single army can be fed with medieval logistics in a new land without even a proper bridgehead
This is just pathetic my dudes.
Also:
>unarmoured cav being any threat to an army employing archers

So realistically the dothraki have to eat their horses about a month into the campaign at the latest, leaving an unarmoured horde of niggers with weapons even the show's 80iq writers made a point of showing are useless against westerosi armour. What a threat...

based and redpilled.

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That scene in S3 where he murders an adoring fanboy was pretty cold. Which is odd since they redeemed him pretty hard in 4 and 5.

This is the bulk
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that was season 2 you insufferable faggot

>So the overall beats should be the same
Last time we saw Jaime in the books, he was being led into an ambush to get buttfucked by the resurrected corpse of Catelyn Stark.
My ass the story will follow the same beats. Too much shit is cut from the show.

I'll be pissed if Jaime doesn't kill his cunt sister and fuck her as he does it.

Wait the hol dor thing is an actual martin creation? He really fucked up then, the book just makes him a retard because he got kicked in the head by a horse as a kid, not some Bran time-magic fuckery.

because they wont be able to retcon this:
bran saying "father" to Ned (which Ned hears and turns around to look for the person who said it) during the Tower of Joy scene will be confirmed as the inspiration for Ned to claim Jon as his bastard.

That was his cousin

he tried to kill bran by pushing him out the window

he did it for the sweet cersei pussy

Finish the books George. I know you lurk here. I will kill you in 2021 if WINDS isn't out by then.

>as the inspiration for Ned to claim Jon as his bastard
Pretty sure Ned planned on doing this as soon as his sister's dying wish was keeping her son safe.

I don't fucking get it, then call Jaime 'Kingslayer' with such disdain yet they refer to Aerys as 'Mad King'.

fpbp

Everyone finds a reason to shit on everyone.

Not only that but that was his cousin KINSLAYER

RENT FREE

>and no southern army can meet them in the field
This bullshit again. They aren't horse archers. Dothraki fucking suck against a real army as shown against the unsullied. All their steppenigger brains can come up with is charging, even falanks aren't too high for them. Their way of life might fly in Essos where every city state has their mercs, but it won't work in Westeros.

>Catelyn Stark

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Backseat drivers who want something done but hate the man who did it. Jaime is really the best character of the series and while it wouldn't have been as popular with a single protagonist a Jaime series could have been incredibly rich.

I'm interested to see what Brienne and Jaime will do when confronted with Lady Stoneheart.
And to be honest these two are the only ones I really ship in any fiction and hope they get a happy end together

Why is this always posted? He saw a chance to kill her and stop the war. Almost certainly would have died but that's what all the 'good' knights do, and his entire arc since losing his hand is (meant to be) around becoming a proper knight.
Him surviving was retarded though, he really should have died desu.

Armor

I'd have literally nothing to look forward to next season, Jaime is the last bastion of what the show once stood for and developers know it

I think that'd be redemption though, given his sister is a right bitch. I don't want him or anyone to have a happy ending but in my mind he's already redeemed himself and so whether he has a poetic ending and one I want (kills that dragon cunt) or a poetic ending and it's a wonderful tragedy (He kills his sister and lover and then dies) then I am fine. I'd be mad if he gets a happy ending of being a hand of the king (for the pun of it) to Dany or Jon, because I want those two to die. Ideally Dany die as a new mad queen but I'll take death in any measure.

Oh fuck I wish I did not read this post

>white horse
>golden armor
>about to kill an undead queen who rides a dragon and is clothed in black
he's the good guy here

You are proper thick son. Watch the show again.

If the horses are shitty little durable steppe ponies then they can be fed on grass and grazing fodder assuming the terrain they are in is conductive to it. It's sedentary man's horses (or the heavier, well built steppe horses of the elite) that fodder on grown crops. If there's something like the Hungarian Basin in Westeros they'll be fine there, though 100k might run out of it. Also archery alone isn't a panacea, it was gunpowder that really stopped the steppe menace. Almost every state bordering steppe nomads had foot archers, even specialized in archery far more than Westerosis, but they suffered from the nomads.

That said the writers are dogshit and people are wont to make steppe nomads into godlike beings the way they wank over every fucking warrior-archtype from Spartans to Templars to Vikings to Legionaries so they'll cock it up

From an in universe perspective he would have been the hero of ages to come if he succeded

Sure, but normaly cavalry was well equipped with armor&helmets, etc...
Even the horses had some kind of armor to keep them safe from the enemy.
The mongols are the best example of this, well coordinated&equipped cavelry.
And then you have the dothraki, bunch of savages riding in a uncontrolled maner at the enemy with a few slabs of cloths to cover them and nothing else.
D&D logic is the only reason why these faggots arent getting cut down like the retards they are.

Better to be dissapointed now than when watching it happeb before your eyes.

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Tbh on a rewatch he could've just asked his cousin to fake a seizure on the ground (at least the way they filmed it)

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I guess so, still the faint hope that it wont go down like that at least

So even assuming that the Lannisters had lets say, equal numbers to the horse riders. 100,00 dudes.
How the fuck are 100,00 dudes caught surprised in an open field, who are already tired, in slap dash 1 man lines, with no support other than what seemed like a few hundred archers, going to beat the Dothraki?
They're entire concept of war is that if they get an open field they win seeing as its how they're raised since they can ride pretty much. At best the Lannister forces would go 1:1 for taking them out, and thats suuuuuper high balling for them.

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No, he wants to live

I still firmly believe he purposefuly hace them bullshit plots so that they fuck off and he can write in peace, knowing the show won't spoil the end (if it ever comes)

People forget that he's a warrior, just like Ned Stark was, and he's always ready to die. He's not just a smug cunt.

Yeah and the dothraki are magically supplied by ???? Tens of thousands of dothraki btw

Face it the writing's just shit.

Jaime swore a vow to protect the king. And nobody knew he saved the city

he lives in a society

You really can't answer this question without first comparing/contrasting Lannister vs. Dothraki tax policy.

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Because one of the only things worse than kinslaying in Westeros is breaking your word. Jaime swore a sacred oath to protect the king, mad as he was, and then murdered him. His honor, word, and oath is dirt and dust forever because of that. It was the right thing to do, but he has to pay the price for it.

Which is dumb, honestly. It's GRR Martin's biggest mistake in the series. He based these folk on the mongols, and the mongols never had to take cities anywhere near as large or advanced as we saw in Essos.

And they would have stood no chance against the long archers and heavy pike formations of Europe, which is how socities at Westeros' level tended to actually fight. They'd be out armored and out armed even with superior cavalry. And unlike the mongol hordes, the Dothraki don't even appear to have advanced siege weaponry--which is how they actually took the cities of Asia, not just by camping out on their doorstep. The average city back then could have withstood a siege for far too long for that to be effective.

>and the mongols never had to take cities anywhere near as large or advanced as we saw in Essos.
You're kidding me, right? Samarkand was one of the biggest cities in the world, even after Genghis slaughtered everyone he still managed to conscript 30k soldiers and 30k craftsmen from the city.
China had some great cities too.

>redemption
>after cucking his king for well over a decade and sitting his bastards on the throne, supporting his sister on a throne she blew up the Pope and his son's wife to get, sacking his daughter in law's land for wanting revenge, attempting to kill Bran for finding him fucking Cersei, trying to kill Ned for kidnapping Tyrion and trying to kill Robb for wanting revenge against the bastard king s ho killed his dad
Lmao. Jaimefags are retarded