Is this the best performance in the entire trilogy?

absolute pleb taste

I like to munch on cherry tomatoes when i'm eating a pasta salad.
I'll take a bite of the salad, then bite one of the tomatoes in half, and it just.. hnnggghh.. it goes together so fucking well.

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I'm Italian lel

you never eat tomatoes in a salad?

>americans

That doesn't change anything. You can still have shitty taste in food even if you're Italian.

Can you or someone briefly explain this? Genuinely curious

Bernard Hill, Sean Bean and Karl Urban
youtu.be/7gogezOlJDs?t=20

yea not as good as ramen and cheetos right based user ;)

He was made to be a complete dick when in the novels he was well more written and complex.

imagine if you're the rightful ruler of a country where the previous ruler had been disposed for longer than anyone can even remember. then some random asshole shows up and claims some other dickhead says, "lol fuck you nah it's this other guy"

Brainlet here. Can someone give me a quick rundown on what the fuck was wrong with him?
Did he just have mental issues in general?

>ramen
>american

Sean Bean> Bernard Hill > Ian Mckellen > Sean Astin > the rest

Wrong.
youtube.com/watch?v=d0Mtlklmna0

You're not a real Italian, paisà.
Sure but you have no saying in this.

Were any characters acted poorly? The only one I can think of is the blonde haired Rohan chick... she was sort of wooden. Not atrocious though

>you're the rightful ruler
But he wasn't. He was the steward. It was literally his job to hold onto power until the person he is meant to hand it off to shows up ie Aragorn.

Hill is patrician taste
he's a terrific actor
youtu.be/d0Mtlklmna0

BUT
the best performance was by Ian Holm

>he thinks Sean Bean's acting was actually good in LOTR
he was fucking trash in LOTR and it's apparent in every fucking scene
he did improve over the years, visibly so

This, wtf. I eat that shit everyday when it's tomato season and they're cheap, onions, tomatoes oil and salt

Sauron was mind fucking him through the Palantir

Orlando "looks directly at the camera" Bloom is the obvious one

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the riddle of dubs reveals itself

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He wasn't always mad. In the extended edition you can see him celebrate with Boromir and Faramir over the retaking of that city outside minas tirith from the orcs. He loved Boromir, so when he died and he sent Faramir (which he seen as the lesser son) on a suicide mission and thought he killed him too, he lost his already grief stricken mind.

>Faramir sucks
>Boromir is great

What is Sharpe? You absolute child.

He was plain bad in almost the entirety of Fellowship and not that good in the rest.

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>celebrate with Boromir and Faramir
Weird to call berating your son with the deepest possible insults "celebrating"

>he thinks Bean's performance as Sharp is good, and not utterly mediorce

Yeah he went to town on Faramir after the laughing and smiles, he was always a bit of a dick.

wtf is a salad

wtf is wrong with eating raw tomatoes retard?

I never understood why so many characters were written out of Return of the King.

Halbarad, Beregond, Bergil, Elrohir and Elledan are all absent, among others. Would've been great to see the Dunédain of the North actually show up.

But no, instead make Denethor look insane and make Gondor seem unwilling to ask Rohan for help despite the opposite happening in the book.

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Denethor in the books is a tragic figure who devotes his entire life to leading a ruined, failing state weakened by centuries of war to fight a final battle he knows he can't win. He's depicted as immensely powerful in personality and totally in control of himself, with grim-death pride and refusal to give up against impossible odds. He calls in the vassals' armies even though he knows they will give him hardly any men for fear they'll be attacked while their soldiers are away. He calls for aid from his ally Theoden even though he does not expect any help to reach him in time. He's a great man.

But he's also stricken with despair. Having been looking in the palantir for years, he knows that Sauron's power is far too great and they can't win the war. He sends away his beloved son in the hope of finding the elves to see if they have a plan, but his son never returns. He sends out his other son to fight at the front and maybe die, willing to risk the extinction of his house because when they lose they're all doomed anyway. Even when the elves' plan to destroy the ring is revealed to him, he still despairs, all the more because now he knows that there is literally no win for him. If Sauron wins everyone dies, but if Sauron is defeated then the Heir of Isildur will be brought in to replace him, and Gondor will no longer be his to rule, and the threat he's devoted his entire life to hopelessly fighting will be snatched away from him through actions that he had no part in. When Faramir is critically wounded his mind snaps, because he realizes how hollow and desperate all his actions have been and how he's squandered his love with his only living son by sending him away to die. Suicide becomes the only way he has of retaining any power in his life.

As he's on the point of it, Gandalf asks him in exasperation just what he actually wants.

“I would have things as they were in all the days of my life,’ answered Denethor, ‘and in the days of my longfathers before me: to be the Lord of this City in peace, and leave my chair to a son after me, who would be his own master and no wizard’s pupil. But if doom denies this to me, then I will have naught: neither life diminished, nor love halved, nor honour abated.”

That's what was missing about Denethor in the movies: tragedy. He's just a sneering mad bad guy who deserves to get bopped in the face and tossed in the barbecue. It's tosh in my opinion.

Yeah, but imagine giving your position of power up to 'stick-at-naught Strider', a dirty ranger who isn't even a descendent of Anárion.

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What's everyone's FAVORITE actor in the movies before I get to least favorites? Mine would have to be Dourif. "i've ONLY EvER SERVEd you, milord!!"

Mortensen's accent is quite weird ("let the lard of black land come farth!"), but he does a great job otherwise so eh
Otto is indeed bad as Eowyn, but she's miscast and Jackson & co misread the character badly. She's a frustrated rich kid who wants to be hardcore but her uncle wont let her. She's full of energy and anger and drama. Otto plays her as a waif.
Bloom is incompetent as always.
Rhys-Davies is irritating as the comic relief midget. To be fair to him they didn't have very good lines for him, it's another one where the screenwriting lets the character down.
Wenham is very boring as Faramir, he's another one who plays the character as a waif. But that works even less well than Faramir for Eowyn. Faramir is like an intellectual well-put-together guy as well as a soldier, like one of those 19th century British generals who brought his double-bass on campaign so he could compose when he wasn't busy kicking natives' asses. He's a badass killer but also smooth and cultured, but also a genuinely morally good dude who regrets the deaths he's bound by duty to cause and doesn't want power or greatness for their own sake. Wenham doesn't put any of this into the character.

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Aragorn's' claim is pretty distant and there was a precedent for denying the northern line the throne of Gondor in favour of a Gondorian candidate.

Sure, but he had the hands of the healer, and Narsil reforged, and was a pretty cool guy who killed mordor and didn't afraid of anything

Incels. They often have food issues. They won't eat outside of a narrow range of food, usually children's type food, like cereal and "chicken tendies". That's why a picture of a rare steak can send them into a blubbering rage.

Should've casted Jack Nicholson.

Get the fuck out /lotr/ threads are comfy

what the fuck do you mean raw tomatoes? they are complete when you pick them. raw tomatoes are green. i fucking swear these americans that doesn't even know how vegetables work... or did you think you gotta deep fry them first and then they become complete?

are you fucking stupid? if a food can be cooked then the distinction needs to be made when you are talking about it when it isn't cooked ie when it's fucking raw. do you also get pissy about people calling fish raw? You can catch a fish from a river and bite into it just like a tomato.

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i seriously hope you're shitposting, because you honestly can't be this retarded

>He is not as other men of this time, Pippin, and whatever be his descent from father to son, by some chance the blood of Westernesse runs nearly true in him; as it does in his other son, Faramir, and yet did not in Boromir whom he loved best. He has long sight. He can perceive, if he bends his will thither, much of what is passing in the minds of men, even of those that dwell far off. It is difficult to deceive him, and dangerous to try.

do you cook your cucumbers too? i bet they're tasty if you fry them in grease

>That cheesy ass smile from Bomorir
Fucking love ROTK, it's so 2000s.

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Sean Astin. Dude, took being a faggoty little hobbit to the next level. The cringe inducing shit made it all too real.

No memeing we can all agree he gave the best performance right?

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>Book Denethor was a flawed but complex character, Movie Denethor is a one-note caricature
>Book Gimli was a bad-ass, one of the best characters with a gruff but serious personality, movie Gimli is the butt of dwarf jokes and is basically comic relief
>Book Galadriel actually bothers to explain that she has a ring of power already and the significance of it and basically comes across as very wise and helpful, movie Galadriel is weird and creepy and seems almost malicious at times
>Book Sam & Frodo were basically inseparable and face the pitch-black terror of Shelob's lair together, movie Frodo gets tricked by Gollum into telling Sam to fuck off and Sam temporarily abandons his master to let him wnader off with an evil creature he knows is plotting his murder but later changes his mind because he finds the missing lembas bread on the way back
>Book Merry and Pippen were brave and resourceful, movie Merry and Pippen were stoners who seemed to survive mostly on luck
>Speaking of lucky, movie Isildur basically was getting his ass kicked and won on a sucker punch as opposed to Book Isildur who tag-teamed Sauron with Elrond and took the ring like a boss
>fucking Arwen is a warrior who can stare down the Nazgul now because hey why not

I mean... as much as I like the movies they were absolute bastardizations. Well-intentioned bastardizations that were probably the best we could hope for, but still. The books are the only legit version of the story.

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I'm still pissed that the movies didn't explain that he was being manipulated by Sauran via the Palantir in the same way that Saruman was.

>Can you build a portfolio, master cryptofag?
>Well... yes. At least, well enough for my own investments. But we have no investment schemes for wallstreet firms and... great recessions.
>And why should your advice be unfit for my firm? Come, build me a portfolio.

In Tolkien's work most human characters had mainly one trait: they were noble. Wouldn't work for serious movies so the characters show a wider spectrum of personalities. It's too much for some people apparently.

Arwen could probably stare down the Nazgul in the book tbf. The highborn Noldor aren't scared by the ringwraiths at all, Glorfindel implies that he could turn aside all 9 of them and he unlike Arwen isn't descended from a fuckin' god.

The dumb thing about Arwen in the movies is 1) Liv Tyler being a doughy faced retard with no gravitas whatsoever and 2) whatever gravitas she might possess turns into a retarded action grrl shit where shes riding around with a sword. it's complete reversal of Tolkien's feminist message thru Eowyn's character, which is that there's more to life than fucking killing things with swords and women shouldn't look at killing things with swords and think "gee, im really missing out on the good bits of life". But the movies' attitudes towards violence are retarded anyway, so what does anyone expect.

The thing that is really funny to me about Merry and Pippin in the movies is that the whole thing of them being nobility and the future leaders of the shire is totally cut. They're just local thieves who get sent along on the journey lol.

Seconded but the whole movie is filled with stellar performances. Once in a lifetime casting. People born to play the roles.

Its well acknowledged that tomatoes used to be SUPREMELY tasty, and that by mass producing them for ketchup they've lost most if not all their taste.

Ask a grandparent or parent what tomatoes use to taste like

>Out of doubt, out of dark to the days rising
>I came singing in the sun, sword unsheating
>To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking
>Now for wraith, now for ruin and a red nightfall
I'm still mad that they cut this

I legitimately felt bad for him in this scene, he is a more sympathetic character in the movies than most people realize

Glorfindel is the one that rescues Frodo in the books, and he was sent back to middle earth by Manwe. He was almost as strong as a Maiar.

Arwen is just an elf. Ignore Legolas jumping from rock to rock in battle of the 5 armies.

>Isildur tagteamed Sauron with Elrond and won
How did he do that? Isn't Sauron stronger than even Gandalf?

It's kind of implied that he's not really. Sauron is kind of just asshole enough to use his.

they're both Maiar. Though he probably is because he's been honing is power for violence for years and years and he has the ring.

>bopped in the face and tossed in the barbecue

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The only tomatoes in my salad are in the sauce on the pizza slices I put into it.

Dude his death is the best acted scene in the trilogy. From both him and Viggo

tomatoes belong in sauces and only sauces.

Embarrassing.

IIRC In the books it's Elrond, Gil-Galad, Cirdan, Elendil, and Isildur who all 5v1 Sauron, with Elendil and Gil-Galad getting killed in the process. Comparing Sauron and Gandalf is hard, as they are both Maiar, but the nature of their powers is somewhat different, with Sauron being an excellent craftsmen and top dickass trickster in Middle Earth, also with the One Ring, and Gandalf being sent to ME as a guide with boundaries on his powers because it really just isn't his fight. Keep in mind too that Cirdan is a 1st generation elf who routinely sails to and from Valinor (he shows up at the end of RotK), Elendil and Isildur are basically superhuman and like 7 feet tall, Elrond has Maiar blood in him that isn't even all that watered down really owing to the whole immortality thing, and Gil-Galad was the last high king of the Noldor and the grandson of Fingolfin who straight up challenged not-Satan to a 1v1 and all things considered didnt do half bad.

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Book Isildur cut the ring from Sauron's dead body after Elendil and Gil-Galad killed him but died in the process.

Agreed!

>Isn't a descendent of Anarion

At some point the lines came back together when the king of Gondor, Arvedui, married a princess of Arnor, Firiel. Even if you just ignore that, Elendil was high king of Gondor and Arnor, so it's not like it's too much of a reach for him to be heir to the thrones of Gondor and Arnor. Of course, so much time has past that a prideful man like Denethor isn't just going to swear fealty, and it wasn't exactly a convenient time for them to hold council and get Elrond to trace the lineage to prove it.

Most of the changes are a subproduct of having to eliminate secondary characters or scenes to reduce the lenght of the plot and the amount of information a viewer should remember from movie to movie. A trilogy like LOTR is not cheap so accesibility is kind of important to attract as many viewers as possible. (This is also why the Silmarillion will never ever get made. No movie or show could cover that many time periods, changing main characters every 5 episodes or so)

Arwen can face the Nazgul because they wanted to give some importance to a character that they could not cut from the plot. So basically they gave her Glorfindel´s job. It made sense that the character that saved Frodo was a recurrent one. Audiences would also wonder why an elf that could face the nine was not part of the fellowship and stuff like that.
You could say similar stuff about a lot of stuff like Tom Bombadil or why Aragon doesn´t get Anduril till RoTK or why Shelob doesn´t appear on Two Towers... i myself would have loved to see some of Aragorn younger days, when he was a checky uptight prince and Arwen would not give him any attention but i understand why all those things are skipped or changed.

Honestly the movies are pretty good all things considered. Just think about how perfect the main cast is. You can even tell the hobbits apart from the trailer alone without actually knowing which one was which. Also the extended cut of Fellowship makes it a far better adaptation (even if it´s flawed)