Is he incel?

nah, he's a fucking cuck

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no, because it's not a proper word to start with

I hear rumor that the script isn't very good. The Waynes are campaigning to Make Gotham Great Again and the Jokey is basically Anonymous/Antifa/gamers rise up. I hope it's a good movie but shit the rumors don't make it sound promising.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. He can have a black girlfriend and be a cuck.

well, it's capeshit so you shouldnt expect good scripts
at least they gave up on CGI, thats something I've been waiting for since big gur 4 you rises meme

>at least they gave up on CGI
The scene in the trailer where he bashes his head against glass looks CGI. Other than it it was very refreshing that they are going old school with this one. I'm just dreading the notion that this will just be more capeshit schlock but user will be baited into thinking it's better than it really is because of the upgrade in filmography.

Yeah but c'mon, comparing 1 scene where CGI is used for safety reasons to literally whole movies shot on greenscreen with obvious CGI backgrounds, CG objects, special effects, flashes, explosions and people flying all around?

I hope Joker will influence ofther capeshit movies to step down a bit and don't go full video game mode.

WHAT IF THEY GO FULL SICKO MODE?

I'm pretty sure they could have done it with practical effects but yeah, I agree it's a minor complaint since it is indeed a step in the right direction. I'm much more worried about the script since I don't think the problem with capeshit writing will be resolved with Joker, heck, I don't even think it'll be resolved at all. Capeshit will always be capeshit.

Hes shown to be talking to a girl. Why do incels think if a girl talks to you she's your gf?

No he has too much charisma.

He isn't an incel, user. I'm not sure why you think they'd go down that route since being a cuck is just as humiliating and not as off-putting to the audience.

The idea of talking to a girl who's either not related or at a checkout line is foreign to them.

Nah, incels are meek weak young man with barely any real contact with the real world so they create an ideia about it through the internet foruns. They are iresponsable kids that blames the world instead of taking responsabilities for themselves. They dont accept the shitty rules of the world so they blame everyone else. They are perfect beings.
Joker its an actual adult fucked by real society, he doesnt have anybody enabling him
This is the Ryan Goaling for pseud-victims of society that dont want to become man and assume their falt in their shotty lives.
>wow, I'm just like him

Wow, im just like him guise

if he's holding up signs for money as a grown man he either was an incel for a very long time or he has some kind of mental disorder.

Aren't those trannies? Or are trannies only a more advanced stage of inceldom? Actually this also sounds like feminists. Scratch that, it's the whole millenial generation.

You got it
Trannies, feminists, incels etc: they are all versions of millenials, they are exemples of how this culture affects people, from unhappy woman to sexually frustrated man

The fact that you assume that this is written to be anything more than capeshit and that it unironically portraits anything resembling real life is genuinely strange. And you then proceeding to criticise some forced meme of Internet people about being disconnected from real life is cognitive dissonance incarnate.

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He's going to be terrorizing his black girlfriend and her kid eventually and they're gonna be like "LEAVE US ALONE JOKER" in the final scenes.

Joker is just a shmuck in makeup that decides to make something of himself. Wtf would they need cgi for?

He doesnt have super powers or super weapons and even when he's eye to eye with Batman there's still no need for cgi. All of his plots will basically be mini heist movies.

So in other words how he's handled is completely irrelevant when compared to Spiderman or Superman or Antman or Doctor Strange, for example.

What do we think of Joaquin's Joker laugh? I think it's pretty good.

Get this hothead outta here!

Incels are just dudes that can't get laid. Stop making shit up.

The trailer clearly implies interest from the girl, and possibly one last hope for salvation for him.

But he's probably going to tragically misread the situation and she's going to reject him precisely when he thinks he's the most awesome he's ever been.

His laugh is fine. I dont like his regular voice. It needs just a pinch more unstable.

I really liked it, it was the highlight of the trailer for me. I still kinda feel he has too much charisma, which is perfect for the Joker of course but I don't think is very fitting for a loser like Arthur Fleck. But I'm curious to see if he pulls off the role.

The entire movie will be 100% anti-incel propaganda

Joker is volcel until harley quinn cucks him with poison ivy

>Nah, incels are meek weak young man with barely any real contact with the real world so they create an ideia about it through the internet foruns. They are iresponsable kids that blames the world instead of taking responsabilities for themselves. They dont accept the shitty rules of the world so they blame everyone else. They are perfect beings.
>implying this is not describing leftists

>i used to tink my life was a tragedy
>but now i realize...
>its a comedy

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Harley and Ivy are just good friends.

>Obviously not. He's shown to have a black girlfriend in the trailer.
But everyone on this boards wants this

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But they can't get laid because they're incels. Get it? They're bitter and shitty people who think that they've got it all figured out because they haven't gotten what they think they deserve so they blame other people for it. Their self-image is hugely flawed.

And Michael Jackson just likes hanging out with kids

I can't tell if this is bait or not. If it's not, you need to lay off the Internet for a while, user.

this

incel is not a cultural group you dumbass

He clearly looks like the type of person that spends his days on the internet saying how he's such a nice guy and racism is bad m'ok? while secretly hating women for never giving him a chance.

based schizo talkin seriously about a meme buzzword

People can be incel for a wide variety of reasons. Their inceldom is the only thing they have in common.

which incel forum do you frequent?

Not really. He clearly is trying to put himself out there and date, but I’m sure the other aspects of his life are what’s dragging him down.

>Scratch that, it's the whole millenial generation.
Ding, ding, ding!

yep, true

Huh, it's almost as if a progressively secularized society has devolved into fucking clown world. Truly compels one to ponder.

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I gotta say I don't feel strongly about the movie one way or another, but the trailer is great.

>implying there's a difference

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speak for yourself, incel

>Incel still thinks it's society
Protip: It's you. You fail because you're faulty human beings, not because there's a society-spanning conspiracy designed to keep you down.

Sex isn't everything. Why do you guys obsess over it so much?

This movie doesn't make sense in the Batman Universe, So the joker is like 30-40 when he meets kid Bruce as seen in the trailer so when he actually fights with Batman he is like 60-70? Doesn't make any fucking sense, i know this is supposed to be non-canon and shit but its still kinda jarring

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Yeah I say the same thing about food to starving people.

He suppousedly dies in the end and another guy takes his place

>Incel
You're still describing every millenials especially feminists.
Because people keep telling them they're less of a person if they don't have it.

Thats a very shitty idea.

Actually a good one, so the Real Joker not having an origin is still intact

There has always been a great emphasis on sex be it on literature or on the silver screen. While some erroneously regard it as a biological imperative, it is still a pretty major drive. My guess is that sexual liberation and the conformation of the market to Pareto distributions have caused major frustration in the male population, adding to this the constant bombardment of "have sex" media is a surefire way to foment obsession over it.

Why is virgin used as an insult?

The introduction makes it seem so, however I have great difficulties accepting that, mainly for one reason: Joaquin Phoenix is too old for an incel. When we think of incels, a young, antisocial angry guy appears in our collective conscientiousness, the school shooter type, like the supreme gentleman or that Bogossian guy. If the Joker is supposed to portray an incel, then he is terribly miscast.

Another problem I have is that the Joker is supposed to be batshit insane, therefore scary. This Joker is anything, but scary, in fact quite the opposite, he seems like a giant fucking loser. I can't sympatize with a loser Joker, neither can I hate him for being evil because he's just a loser. So what am I supposed to feel? I don't know. I don't understand the concept, I don't know how they wanna pull this off and I'm afraid this movie is gonna be a terrible fuckup.

Eh to some maybe, but ever since the 80’s, it’s canon that The Joker as an IDEA is always “you’re just one bad day away from being like me”. It’s not a stretch to imagine someone who is like 10-13 during this movie, taking in Joker’s ideology, and adopting it after he takes a chemical bath because of Batman.

Because being a 20+ year old virgin shows you are socially retarded which is an easy way to make fun of someone

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He’s not really a loser though. He has a girlfriend and a steady job. His surroundings are just so fucking shitty that his already existing mental illness is being aggravated to the point that he’s gonna snap.

What is this meme about incels? I don't get it. The term just means involuntary celibate. It doesn't characterize a school shooter type, it's not about age, it's not about being especially resentful or anything. It's just someone who doesn't fuck because of whatever reason. Stop using buzzwords.

>Joaquin Phoenix is too old for an incel. When we think of incels, a young, antisocial angry guy appears in our collective conscientiousness, the school shooter type, like the supreme gentleman or that Bogossian guy.

But what happens to said incels when they are 30+ years old? I think this movie wants to show that, how an excluded guy can't take it anymore and just goes off

tl;dr Jews

If you can't get laid you are an incel, doesn't matter if you identify with the word or not.

Where do virgin brainlets like you come from??

I doubt the kid in the trailer is bruce wayne, they won't copy the kid bruce concept from Gotham

When young people as a whole demographic are failing, it's idiotic to say it's only their fault. Young people are having less sex, less relationship, are drowned in student loans, have worse ability to have a secure job, to become house owners and start a family. The millenial generation is worse off than their parents generation which is a unique phenomenon is Western history and in itself proof of social decline.

No, in the comic books the Joker is clearly one guy with near supernatural force of will and survival skills. He matches Batman 1 to 1 in every aspect and he is the only person in the DC universe that can do that. There are no "multiple jokers", its one guy that is so crazy that he doesn't even remember his origins. Even in the killing joke we are not sure for certain that its his original memories and not something he imagines for himself.

He isn't the real Joker. They can't give him a real origin story and disregard the entire point of the character.

>They can't give him a real origin story

Batman 1989 would have words with you

I mean for a long while sure, but there’s a current canon story that there are multiple Jokers due to cosmic fuckery. But my point here is, philosophically, Joker represents those in society that for whatever their personal reason, snap, and go on a rampage. But in Joker’s case, he’s a criminal mastermind, an adept physical fighter, and a master at psychological warfare. These attributes allow Joker to continue to rampage.

>They can't give him a real origin story and disregard the entire point of the character
Wasn't Joker just a guy dropped into acid?

why haven't they censored this word like soiboy or soi?

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But I thought sex wasn't supposed to be important? Like user stated

I'm just saying if the movie's purpose is to demonize incels, they are doing it wrong.
Well, I don't know about that, but in the trailer he gets beaten up like every second scene, so he gives off this loser vibe.

There’s different tellings of the origin, but there are concrete facts that we know about him.
He had a background in stand-up comedy
He had a connection to the Red Hood Gang
He dealt with some personal loss right before he officially “snapped”
He fell into a vat or river of chemicals.

More or less. That's the story that he tells in The Killing Joke but he is an unreliable narrator and his origin remains ambiguous.

>not wanting to piss of a bunch of Joker fans so they decide to call it "character study" instead of origin story

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sex isn't, showing that you can get it and aren't rejected is.

No, the society fucked him.

i am a shitty 38 years old virgin incel and i strongly think he is not

Idk where the idea that he’s an incel is coming from. He has a gf, and he has a job. That should disqualify him from the “incel” category.

>he has a gf

Source? Just because he had a date doesn't mean he has a gf

the black qt is just his love interest and who he uses the N word against during the film's climax.

Nothing in the trailer indicates that he's an incel
>takes cares of his mom
>is extroverted enough to pursue a career based on making people laugh
>appears to be dating a black girl
>doesn't make a single misogynist or bitter comment aimed at women
At this point the leftist who can't stop using the word incel are doing a better job than the incels themselves in radicalizing young men, since at this point any kind of struggle that you experience as a male is null and makes you a hateful incel who deserves it.

Even if they aren’t official, she’s clearly into him and there’s a connection there, something that incels don’t get.

Surely im not the only one who thinks it should have been

>i used to think my life was sad
>but now I realize its a joke

>hey this guy seems lonely should we invite him to that party too
>no its funnier to keep kicking him when hes down

and "people" like you actually wonder why muh virgins go on killing sprees

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Yeah but he has one
That's the difference
We want what he has