The scene that saved GoT

Honestly I preferred every battle that came before it.
The scale on them was fucked and they looked like skirmishes, but it was better than the utter retardation that was the battle of the bastards

Man the first season really shows how much effort was put into the costumes. The newer ones are just bland beyond belief.

I'm still fucking mad that the High Sparrow knew about Cersei cheating on Jaime from Lancel and didn't tell anyone because D&D forgot.

Sansa is so retarded that it turn the whole episode in shit

it would have been a great moment and in the classic GoT style if he fuckin impaled that cunt into her dragon
but it seems the writers care only for muh female protags
i'm happy they're ending it

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Sansa was right 100% of the time in that episode.
Rickon died.
Jon Snow fell into a trap and his whole army would be massacred if not for Sansa.

The dragon was not incapacitated. Why the fuck would it just stay there and get impaled?
After all the hype about
>muh dragons
It would be so retarded to kill them off like that.

I’m saying there’s a direct correlation between people getting butt hurt over their pet theories not being right and the amount of people saying the show fell off. The same thing happened to lost. When you let people create fantastical possibilities in their heads they will inevitably get pissed when the show doesn’t go the way they planned it in their own head. People need to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I can sort of understand the decisions they've made regarding battles. An actual medieval battle would be pretty boring to watch from a cinematography standpoint. Although it still doesn't excuse some of the ridiculous moments.

Problem is now the scale is higher and the budget for it is lower because of these fucking meme actors that think they can throw their weight around and eat up the entire budget

literally the only episode I have ever watched of GoT
if this is the best this show has to offer I guess I haven't been missing much

That's how it works in show business though and they should have thought of it sooner. They literally can't replace the major actors and they can't kill off the characters because they're crucial to the story. So they have to pay them a lot and subsequently have to lower the budget for everything else

>blaming the actors
KEK
It's the producers. The people are hooked. No point in wasting too much money on a grand finale as if it is going to matter financially.

It's very mediocre.
The best GOT is during the first 1-3 season where there is a lot of mystery, politics, scheming, sudden deaths and other plot twists.

Really goes to show how a franchise can’t survive for long, when the franchise gets too much heat actors pay go up so high the rest of the movie has to bleed its budget just for actors to give their faces

Compare lotr to hobbit

GoT 1-3 to 4-7

Iron Man to Avengers 2

Etc etc

That doesn't make it okay
Them as well. Fuck all of them.

Does anyone have the screenshot or pasta about this scene? it uses pic related and says how the classic trope has been inverted and how the princess is now a witch and the brave valiant knight is the villian

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This hit too close to home I think.

Nah. The interactions between characters are muddled and their relationships are poorly developed. Take Sansa and Arya. They spend multiple episodes setting up a ludicrous conflict that we're supposed to buy into all for a twist that gives no further insight and just reverts them back to sisters who get along now.

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>I’m saying there’s a direct correlation between people getting butt hurt over their pet theories not being right and the amount of people saying the show fell off
How can you say that after that image?
Are you just fucking around?
Or are you so completely irrationally delusional that you can't see a massive drop in quality?

I was hoping hed skewer the cunt

t. Woman

Its because the show had a massive drop in quality you retarded pleb no one even comes up with theories anymore because the series is so braindead and thoughtless on the same level as the star wars sequels

Jimmy is my favorite character he's based and don't give a fuck just like me.

could you imagine being the type of person that puts time into making something like that?

jesus fucking christ like you give a shit THAT MUCH about what reddit likes?

I don’t see any of these things as problems. I think you’re just salty backseat drivers who would criticize the show no matter what happened because you instinctively reject anything that’s popular in a continuation and extension of your self imposed isolation from the rest of the world. I would be willing to wager a large sum of money that neither of you have girlfriends and that you didn’t have sex in 2018 even once.

How could they let Arya go from the best character to the worst character? Her story ended so beautifully in season 4, that should have been it.

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Based

He's handsome, fit, can fight, is a man of action and will. You are overweight, sit in your basement and post on Yea Forums all day. I can see the similarity.

Whichever underage zoomer made this belongs on the cross

0/10 weak bait, lads dont feed this fool (you)s

He’s the prince that was promised.

>I don’t see any of these things as problems
What things? The sharp drop in quality? What the fuck are you even talking about
>I think
I think you are either trolling or are trying really hard to believe that you don't have totally awful fucking taste and can't comprehend people disagreeing with you.
Show suffered a massive quality drop. This simply is not disputable, as proves definitively

God I hope danaerys fucking dies a painful death in the next season but she obviously won't because yaaass queen slay

Should have skipped her training instead of Brans

Lol you know I hit that dead on and it hurts.

i just imagine this person taking the time to search each poster, save the image, crop each image, drag it over and carefully placing it into categories.

just like 'aha those losers! my taste is superior!'

fucking loser

imagine being this angry all the time. go outside user. try talking to a girl

the battle of the bastards was simply chaos run amok, which is in reality what any medieval battle would immediately devolve into.

Based dabbing on plebbit doomers

Massive brainlet

You actually made my head hurt with how fucking stupid you are.

Most battle lines in Medieval battles were held for literal hours, what the fuck are you talking about?

For what it's worth, it makes sense to me that Mace's armor wouldn't be as elaborate as Loras's.

>the battle of the bastards was simply chaos run amok
If you don't understand what was wrong with the battle, then maybe you shouldn't offer up your opinion on it
>which is in reality what any medieval battle would immediately devolve into
No

Right? He probably wore it twice in his life. Anons just love to bitch, it’s really that simple.

It's high fantasy not historical fiction.
Plus you forget that most of the chaos is the cavalry charge.
Plus you forget that one side was untrained barbarians.

I may have missed something but where did that mountain of bodies come from?

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nah mate, they just spend money on weird shit like making a set for that huge frozen lake with hundreds of extras instead of just using cgi

Plus you forget that there were fucking retarded piles of corpses that they had to climb, you need to get your head checked if you could somehow suspend your disbelief enough to say anything positive about that battle.

How about the fact that not a single soldier had ever been in an actual war before the war of the five kings. These weren’t battle hardened soldiers.

Its not how its less elaborate its how cheap and plastic it looks combined with the obviously wool chainmail just goes to show dnd dont care anymore

LOTR and the hobbit are separate entities. Iron Man was basically a trial balloon, that didn't have the huge budget backing of a major studio, nothing like Avengers 2.

Budgets also go up over time, it's not like there's a fixed amount of money per episode, so GOT s1e3 and s6e4 have the same money to divide up amongst all costs. Your argument literally has no basis in fact.

> Plus you forget that one side was untrained barbarians.
Who are used enough to fighting that they should know how to hold a battle line. If medieval peasants who were given training and equipment as quickly as possible managed to hold decent battle lines, people who are used to fighting should be doing it too.

this kind of post would have total agreement a few years ago, now look at the state of Yea Forums zoomers angry at it

the hole scene was top tier, but that part was retarded. Dragons CGI was fucked up there. The scene that waved GoT was dragon gliding over the lake in silence.
youtu.be/x_-wyiJgzm8?t=413

I hated it because Ramsay had ridiculous plot armor and felt superfluous to the show's story.

It's also got the same "DUDE UNEXPECTED ALLIES COME TO THE RESCUE AT THE LAST SECOND WHEN ALL SEEMS LOST" ending that resolved all of the other big battle episodes.

>its high fantasy so standard logic need not apply
Fuck off Samwell Tarlys actor

Battle of the bastards is supposed to be chaos because it is BASTARDS fighting each other as opposed to nobles.

Nah that list was made so clearly made by an underage it hurts

Not quite as elaborate as his golden son's jousting armor, sure.
He's still the lord of the richest fucking region of Westeros

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My favorite characters are:

1. Jaime
2. Stannis
3. Ned

I have visceral contempt for the fan base of this show. I don't know why. I feel like vast majority a predictably left-wing and love the cringey crowd-pleasing of characters like Dany, Tyrion, and Arya.

I just hate you all and wish I didn't want to watch this show.

>"DUDE UNEXPECTED ALLIES COME TO THE RESCUE AT THE LAST SECOND WHEN ALL SEEMS LOST"

god this never gets old...

Incel alt-righter retard.

Except for the part where, you know, she decided not to tell Jon that there were massive reinforcements only a day away.

>jon gets regularly called a military man and a great commander
>fucks everything up and looks a fool on screen
Its the informed competence that is given to Jon by other characters that doesnt match his on screen failure that is the issue.

It was never meant for you, you racist Drumpf faggot.
You just got latched to it because of
>MUH CRUSADERS
Fuck you and fuck Trump.

You spelled Based Davos wrong.

The problem with cinematic battles is that they try to give them narrative structures, so there's an escalating conflict before a resolution. A resolution is hard to do in battles because they're too chaotic and generally the stronger army with better tactics will win from the start, how do you build up tension and then suddenly turn the tables without some intervention?

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Cause she didn't trust him, yet.
Because of his courage and honor.

What's so Reddit about Back To The Future, user?

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Really? It looks like plastic.

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Based and agreed the audience for GoT is now for woke soi males and hipsters at the burlington bar to cheer for muh yas queen moments

It's science fiction for normies.

What's wrong with listening to Pink Floyd?

>he ignores a shows massive drop in qualiyu because it caters to his political beliefs
Massive NPC detected

>She didn't trust her brother that was about to fight a battle on their family's behalf
>Didn't even attempt to stall them and just let them walk into a slaughter
>Nothing wrong
Excuse me, what.

>invade a leftist community
>bitch about how leftist it is
Every fucking time. Go fuck yourself. ASOIAF has existed before SJWs were even a thing.

It's like so 80s

Would have made more sense to have some of Ramsay's bannermen betray him because of what a cunt he is and defect to Jon, which is what the books are suggesting is going to happen.

>It's high fantasy not historical fiction
No it isn't, it's low fantasy.
>Plus you forget that most of the chaos is the cavalry charge
Where the battle is initiated by both sides wasting all their cavalry in a head on charge, something that never happens?
>Plus you forget that one side was untrained barbarians
The tactics of the other side were equally made up retarded bullshit.
That doesn't even include Wun Wun not having any armor, Wun Wun not having a weapon, everyone just standing around not doing anything, and a giant wall of bodies appearing out of fucking nowhere, when that only happened under different circumstances and larger numbers of involved combatants.

I'm a 30-year-old attorney from a red state who is your basic 90's conservative. I'm not an "incel" or "alt-righter."

I just hate geek/reddit culture. It's inexplicable, but I just have great contempt for all of you. I don't even know why.

>POPULAR BAD
will you ever grow up?

>MUH KNIGHTS
>MUH HONOR
>MUH BIG SWORD BIG SWING
Literally the most brainlet take on GOT. Fitting.

This is wrong.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Dragons transitioned GOT from low to high fantasy.

The sneed that sneeded the game of sneed (formally thrones)

For me, some of the best battles in Game of Thrones are the ones where we only see small parts, or maybe we just see the buildup and the aftermath while the battle mostly happens off screen. It's all about building that battlefield atmosphere. I thought Battle of the Bastards was garbage compared to the Siege of Highgarden.

Is this supposed to be a counterpoint? Because that still looks several orders of magnitude better than the plastic Mace was wearing

Unfortunately we'll never know, as Fat Fuck will die before we ever see the conclusion.

inb4 Brandon Sanderson will finish the next two books three weeks after Gurm passes.

Nice strawman retard and you proved my point exactly because how you described GoT is how it is now not in the first 3/4 seasons.

That's bad enough already, but it's even worse how no one seems to acknowledge this in the slightest.
>No one questions the decision to make the the guy king who just displayed amazing incompetence and lost 90% of his army by immediately losing control of the battle, being surrounded and not issuing a single meaningful order for the whole catastrophe of a slaughter
>No one questions that Sansa deliberately chose to withhold information regarding the relief army that was a few hours away, which could've saved thousands of lives

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>I just hate
Typical conservashit brainlet. Get over yourself. You don't have it all right and others don't have it all wrong and hating others just because you don't understand where they come from is a sign of mental ineptitude.
GOT fans did nothing wrong to deserve hate. You just don't fit in because the show is not about your
>MUH CRUSADERS
fantasy and was never meant to attract your kind of narrow mindedness.

What the fuck happened, lads? This show used to be good.
youtube.com/watch?v=6wxdrhHlcnQ

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Still doesn't mean that things based in reality change because there are dragons.
That's kind of the point of the series. He even tried to make the dragons "realistic"

Because the story has to progress. It cannot be scheming and mystery for seven seasons.

ASOIAF is extremely problematic compared to nu GoT your point doesnt reallt make sense. It seems like youre a massive brainlet who keeps defending nu got because it aligns with your modern day politics

I'm not even him but can you stop your baiting we are trying to talk about how bad the show is here

>without some intervention?

rally the forces mid battle into a cohesive force with your 10 sec battle speech and counter attack.

the hollywood prebattle speech is so cliche now. Three Kingdoms show did a good scene with Cao Cao v.s. Yuan Shao massive battle where Cao was outnumbered. In he middle of the shit show he grabbed some drums and beat the fuck out of them and his soldiers wet fucking wild and rallied.

Another way was in alexander where Alexander is losing to indians, then he gets shot off his horse after elephant 1v1. The whole army goes "the king is down!" and lose their shit...the scene ends with ptolemy saying "it was pure butchery, we werent men anymore"

like who the fuck would let an enemy army out maneuver them and set up a circular phalanx around them when the army can zerg rush any direction the giant looks at funny.

The giant should be armed and armored. No reason in hell Jon Snow shouldnt have a personal guard of giants if youre just gonna revive his ass.

>Does anyone have the screenshot or pasta about this scene? it uses pic related and says how the classic trope has been inverted and how the princess is now a witch and the brave valiant knight is the villian
I second this.

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>show progresses into trashy thoughtless plots with a big heaping of modern day politics that completely undos the world building done in the previous seasons that stuck to the books
BRAVO DABID

At least they made clear she ain't no hero, but a Targ that plants no trees.

that little puddle pond sure is deep and clear

I read the books and refused to watch GOT until literally this week.
ASOIAF was always a very leftist community.
Like fucking 3/4 of the readers were girls. The fuck do you expect?
>it aligns with your modern day politics
You are the one who instantly mentioned politics. I don't have any politics. I don't have any sides. The only real strong political opinions I have is anti-racism and I absolutely detest anti-intellectualism.
I don't care about feminism and even made fun of the show for it. Literally made a thread, yesterday about it.
Doen't fucking mean that you can come here with your closeminded nonsense and start shouting
>MUH LEFTISTS
like the imbecile that you are.
Go be a dummy on the breitbart forums.

>STOP BAITING
I didn't mention politics. He did.

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Battle of the Bastards put me to sleep because I didn't care about any of the characters involved. Designated villain and generic fantasy hero just aren't the thing I'm looking for when I watch GoT.

The community doesnt matter you fucking mongoloid its the books themselves that arent positively chock full of shitty progressive politics. The first few seasons stuck to the books and kept their tone before diving head long into current year politics that contridict the established world and massively decrease the quality of anything they taint, ghostbusters, oceans, star wars, captain marvel etc.

I mostly agree with this with only a few exceptions.

Found it in the archives;
archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/86091349/#86091349

>youtu.be/yRYOkYquttQ?t=10m45s

>Watch this video from 10:45, the scene where Jamie Lannister charges the Dragon.

>Notice the inversion of the classically heroic image: a single man, white, on his white horse, charging against a fearsome dragon with lance in hand. A maiden stands nearby, in need of rescue. He stands for masculine heroism, defense of mankind against evil, the courage of an individual against all odds, against a terrifying and monstrous foe.

>He's going to slay the dragon, and of course, in the process rescue a maiden.

>Except in this inverted, 2017 version of the classic image, the heroic knight is the villain. There also is no maiden, or, at least, she's been transformed by becoming a witch who *rides* the dragon, and, by using its power, no longer "needs to be rescued". Note that this trope, the damsel in distress who needs to be saved from a monster, is a classic feminist criticism of the heroic arc (see creatures like Anita Sarkeesian or whatever her name is).

>The maiden is now a sorcerer or a witch.

>The classic villain, the sorcerer, the witch, the one who traffics in the monstrous and the obscene for personal power (reanimating her dead husband, killing humans with dragons) has likewise been inverted in a YAASSS KWEEN "heroic" figure.

>Meanwhile, the crowd cheers as ordinary men stand firm in ranks against barbarians and monstrous dragons and are incinerated and decapitated. The crowd cheers as the Heroic Male figure, trying to slay the dragon and the witch, is defeated. One woman even says "ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!" as she sees that Jamie Lannister survives.

>This is where we are as a society.

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twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1111646077957165056
confirmed leak or gay roleplayer? I'd say that I would drop the show if that's true but I already dropped it last season.

>its the books themselves that arent positively chock full of shitty progressive politics
What the fuck are you even talking about?
All the feminism is in the books. It's just that you don't really see it immediately.

Hopefully.
Taygaryen aunt and her nephew are too incompetent.
Maybe Sansa will even kill them at the last second.
That would be epic.
Dany could pull her nephew/lover away from the Starks by the compelling power of dragon pussy, to make the plot work.

Somehow George made it palatable without feeling like modern forced garbage

Lena Headey should be near the middle.
Best female but still lower than Dance and the others

You’ve yelled about crusaders twice now without him mentioning it, it’s super obvious bait. Just stop.

I can't watch this. I stopped after a few seconds. I hate these people. I unironically dislike everyone in that video.

The same level of feminism thats present in the first few seasons positive depictions of females =/= modern day misandeist feminism. Catelyns toughness, briennes knighthood, arya being badass etc were never issues because they were done with quality and adversity for the characters along the way. Now we have 12 year old girls having finger snap moments against 60 year old lords (despite the fact that bear island should be run by a regent), cersei running kings landing despite being a moron and destroying the religion, Sansas infamous leather under the armour lines its all very low quality and unearned.

I was on the Arya train since the first season. Loved her even sometimes when she was in Bravos but the terminator chase scene just fucking broke me. Then her fastforwarding to the Twins and killing everyone was when I gave up on her completely.

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>Incel alt-righter retard.
>somehow its the other guy who's the baiter
Maybe next time come up with a better comeback than generic leftist buzzwords 101

Somehow cleaning up corpses, getting beaten with brooms and killing a 110 pound 20 year old woman makes one a super assassin? Both Arya and Bran become these super badass supernatural characters off fucking screen its just so bad.

I think it's the denial of reality. The Arya/Brienne fight was just... Too much. The 12-year-old queen rebuking the older kings was too much.

It's forced. It's not organic. It doesn't have any nuance. It's not natural.

Fantasy in general is very feminist.
LOTR is the exception.

Thank you! You just summarized what i was trying to say in a handful of words.

See:

If you have a problem with any of the things mentioned you had better post those tits fampai

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that was a dope scene, too bad it's not canon.

Based mytholgical analysis user

Feel you desu.

This guy destroys the show.
youtube.com/watch?v=kqbqKYktrx8

It's becomme a fanfest of who emotes better.

The actors were even banned from being interviewd because when they were asked why did character A reacted to something plot wise they just didn't know.

Are you ready for the return of the king?

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One guy in the burlington party was shouting YES as he was charging at her, would've been the funniest thing if the lance actually landed

Legit can't wait. He's coming back with the Golden Company, dethroning Cersei and splitting the kingdom alongside Euron.

The guy who played Stannis said GoT was one of the worst acting experiences he ever had because he got virtually no direction and had no idea what the motivations of his character were. Dabid only really seem to care about muh jon and dany and dragons past season 3

i'm mostly excited for the preston episodes

lo-fi hip hop is great

What is the fascination over this guy?
>too dumb to keep up with the rest
>has to use magic to kill his own brother
>loses every battle
>is seduced by a thot
>literally burns his own daughter
>does not even have the most legitimate claim to the throne since the Baratheon rebellion was based on a lie
>muh following stringent retarded rules without thinking because brainletism nonsense

Name one good thing about him.

There is a YouTube video that goes into it. They had to make this whole part up on the spot because they could film in the rain without horses because D&D made insane demands and didn’t give enough time. The whole Jon almost dying and mountain of bodies was practically improvised.

I read that they were originally going to get the umbers to betray ramsay mid battle but it was too hard or complicated to film or something

>Changing the story as it goes
This is pleb tier level of production.

Up until he kills his daughter (which was stupid writing), he was one of the best, if not the best, characters.

From the very start, Stannis took his position seriously. He did things that he didn't want to do because he felt he was fulfilling a duty. He had a purpose and was willing to suffer and sacrifice to fulfill that purpose.

He reasoned with his arrogant/cocky brother, but after giving him multiple chances, Stannis had to kill his own brother. Stannis didn't want to kill him, but he placed his duty and kingdom above his own wants.

He suffers defeat, takes the humiliation and pain, and picks himself up to continue further because his duty was bigger than himself.

He was realistic. He knew he made mistakes, and he was susceptible to being manipulated. However, he did put Melisandre in her place at times.

He represented order in a time of chaos. He was right when everyone else was concerned about their feelings.

Based trips+dubs calling out the hacks

>>too dumb to keep up with the rest
Knew enough to get the fuck out of the city and suspected something when Jon died
>>loses every battle
Fair Isle? Storms End?
>>is seduced by a thot
Magic ritual
>>literally burns his own daughter
Show
>>does not even have the most legitimate claim to the throne since the Baratheon rebellion was based on a lie
Baratheons were froms by a bastard half-brother of Aegon with the Storm King's daughter. They also intermarried the main Targ line frequently
>>muh following stringent retarded rules without thinking because brainletism nonsense
Woman detected

Sounds like a typical conservative brainlet. Sorry, don't respect brainlets.

Tits or gtfo

His "arrogant/cocky brother" was in the right.
Nobody wanted Stannis to be king.
The "arrogant/cocky brother" was a more able leader and more popular with the people and smarter and actually had experience ruling the kingdom.
Stannis should have realize that and helped his brother, and she should have been content being the hand or something.
Instead he wanted to be King. He didn't do it because of the kingdom. He did it for himself. Because he was pissed off that others always got ahead of him. But they got ahead of him because he is shit at dealing with people i.e. not fit to rule.
This is typical with certain demographics.
They are super angry that they are nobodies. But they are nobodies because of fatal flaws. Instead of trying to fix those flaws they go into rage mode against everyone and then kill themselves.

I think you meant to post this kino
youtu.be/QaEgFn2KmLc

This is exactly what dnd think with a liberal (no pun intended) helping of muh incel buzzword projection. No wonder GoT has gone so downhill when it is created by and caters to massive plebs like you.

>Instead he wanted to be King. He didn't do it because of the kingdom. He did it for himself. Because he was pissed off that others always got ahead of him. But they got ahead of him because he is shit at dealing with people i.e. not fit to rule.
>Be older borther
>Kingship by right
>Degenerate little brother want to cuck you out of your right because you are just not likeable.
this is bitch reasoning. Stannis called it out.
>They are super angry that they are nobodies. But they are nobodies because of fatal flaws.
Nice projection.

The flawed characters happen to be the most interesting. This is why Jaime, Stannis, and Ned were the best. They're realistic.

Mary Sues who have the universe written for them in a way that it always benefits them isn't based in reality. It's wishcasting.

>watch a great tv show episode
>great tv show episode finishes
>log onto 4channel to gripe about imaginary problems with the great tv show episode
love this board

So the show royally fucked him up because I had no idea about any of these things. Bravo David

>nu GoT
>great TV
Get a load of this pleb

You fail to understand the point of the whole fucking story if you are still thinking using the
>muh tradition
paradigm.
This is why you are brainlets. Because you fail to understand that humans can make things better by actually applying thought and figuring out the best arrangement rather than stringently adhering to rules that might not apply anymore.

AH TV SHOW HAVE TITS IN, GRUG LOVE TITS! SO GRUG MUST LOVE TV SHOW TOO!

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>towers of bodies
That was the best part. Corpses really did pile that high in large scale battles. It was a concept good commanders actively planned around happening like mud or rain.

All those things are also in the books.
Stanis is the proverbial Macbeth.

Is there any reasoning behind thinking he's coming back in the show or am I being maymayd

Yeah except Renlys fuck laws im the best mentality is what turned the war of five kings into the mess it was instead of a standard Stanns vs. Lannisters fight Ned intended. Also are you calling trivializing the law of succession aka the very foundation of medieval society which is something the show depicts very negatively and shows the kingdom goes to anarchy once thet are ignored? I thibk youre just here for the yass queen slay moments because no one who started watching since the beginning and has been paying attention can misinterpret it this badly.

Mace's armor was meant to look ridiculous and impractical. He's a pompous fool.

That's beyond the point I was making.
Stannis, in truth, had a very weak claim. Despite him and that NPC Ned Stark, believing otherwise. His only claim was
>muh line of succession
which is flawed reasoning both because
1. It is a backward convention that results in terrible kings
2. But more importantly because his line of succession claim was not strong at all, since he and his brothers rebelled against the crown and took it for themselves.

>>Corpses really did pile that high in large scale battles.
[Citation needed]

>more popular with the people
Popularity doesn't mean anything because people are fucking stupid. Renly being popular doesn't mean he would have been a good king, just a popular king.

Stannis and his brothers are rebels, themselves. The law of succession after one generation of rebels is not very strong.
Plus later on we find out that the rebellion itself was based on false premises.

But all that aside, Renly was more fit to rule. Stannis, if he really was the archetype conservative man that always does what is best for the realm, would have bent the knee.
Instead he let pride and ambition get the best of him. Renly was right that Stannis would have made a terrible king.

>Popularity doesn't mean anything because people are fucking stupid.
Except in the whole show and books it is a major factor.

Renly had the better claim.
At first glance it looks like Stannis is an upstanding man.
But then you think about it and realize he's basically a huge faggot throwing a tantrum that destroys his entire family and army.

The shoow itself and especially the books go out of their way to point out that renly had no right in usurping stannis and Renly would have had a disaterous rule youre literally making up your own OC fan fiction about renly so nothing you said is even remotely grounded in reality.

No faggot.
GoT was all about deconstructing tropes and then building up characters who could fit them.

thats why magic is fucking gone from the world at the beggining ( just a medieval political thriller user) and then it slowly creeps up again into a mythological age full fo archetypical behaviour. What we are discussing, is that the fucking showrunners are deconstructing the descontructionist original theme's and plot lines, replacing them with "real-world" propaganda meta, fucking up the plot as it comes or goes.
>This is why you are brainlets
Fucking projection again.

>1. It is a backward convention that results in terrible kings

It's consistent, and it's orderly. Other methods lead to chaos and misery. Everything being discretionary would require the person making the decisions to have perfect knowledge. Since humans are flawed, you have to have some sort of system in place that's respected.

He may not be the person best suited to be king, but he was certainly one of the more serious/mature characters. He understood the importance and purpose of his role and was willing to sacrifice for it. Everyone else seemed frivolous. You need someone stable to keep things from falling apart, even if that person isn't well-liked.

>it was supposed to look like shit

Aegon literally invaded the continent to establish the Targ dynasty. If Robert taking the crown isn't legit, then the entire Targ dynasty shouldn't be considered legit either.

>101010
What did he mean by this?

He had no right by law, but he was better fit to rule.
It's like you are limited to thinking in one dimension.

What is right by law is not always what is best. In the books they even say this many times, referring to the mad king to justify themselves.

it might as well not have happened for all the consequences it had i.e. zero consequences

That literally has nothing to do with their claim.
Do you know what a claim is?

The ending battle of the outlaw king was pretty good and probably the most realistic thing we'll see in a long while.

Line of succession is also Daenery's whole claim to the throne, and the show glamorizes her motivation at every turn

All my arguments are not really about the show. I just read the books and nothing I said is more true in the show than in the books.

They literally say many times that it is a retarded convention, referring to the mad king to justify themselves.

>best fit to rule
>no character except brienne pay renly any compliments after his death and intelligent characters such as olenna tyrell, tywin, littlefinger etc all say renly was a retard who would have had a terrible reign
Dude no one ever thinks renly would be a good king not in the show or irl youre fan fiction about him being king renly the good is all OC in your head.

The show and books both try to portray her as a new kind of leader that cares about the people.

you are legitimately retarded

What the hell kind of helmet does that guy on the left have

Renly is like Bernie. Stannis is like Hilary. Trump is like Joffrey. Hilary was the 'rightful' candidate chosen by the democratic elite. Bernie was some faggot who decided he deserved to be the president instead. If Bernie didn't split the democrat vote, Hilary could have beaten Trump. But Burnie went into business for himself. So Trump ended up winning against the divided democratic front.

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>one handed jaimie slaying dothrakis as if they were nothing

yeah k.................

> dothrakis literally never hit the plate armor of the Lannisters, always get clean neck slices
yeah, alright

196 of yall dorks really out here talking about armor

Obligatory
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Yeah, that analogy works.

I just cannot get how people can go through all five books and still be restricted to this one dimensional thinking of
>muh tradition, muh rules, muh laws
when the whole fucking plot is about doing what must be done in spite of what should (by law/convention) be done.

And not following the line of succession leads to conflicts between people thinking they should be the king instead. Which is literally why the war of the five kings happened. The alternative to the line of succession is literally fucking war. Do you really think it's that much better of an option? With a line of succession, you get a mad king, maybe once every couple of generations if you're lucky. If you throw that shit out, you're inviting a war EVERY GENERATION whenever a king dies and bunch of other faggots want to lay their claim to the throne.

>Fuck rules and laws and what worked in the past lets just all fucking do our own koombiyah shit maaaan
This post just absolutely reeks of vagina

too bad they have to subvert everything

Renly was just a vain glory-hound in the books. Maybe he would have been a better king by way of not having any obvious mental deficiencies, but there was nothing suggesting what kind of king he would be, aside from being likeable. He has little or no military experience and he's not much of a politician.
He could get by on just being charismatic if the equivalent time period was moved up 200+ years, but in Westeros and with the crown being as unstable as it is, he needs to be able to back it up.

>All my arguments are not really about the show. I just read the books and nothing I said is more true in the show than in the books.
I'm sorry,

you are no faggot.

You are a Woman.

>And not following the line of succession leads to conflicts between people thinking they should be the king instead. Which is literally why the war of the five kings happened.
The war happened BECAUSE of line of succession bullshit.
Jeoffery was for all matters and purposes the son of the the death king.
The only reason his claim was challenged is because of line of succession autism.

I always have a sóy shake afterwards; you should try it xD

>The only reason his claim was challenged is because of line of succession autism.
>Ilegitimate son born out of incest.
>autism
hahahahahahahah

Yeah that how we got out of the stone age, brainlet.
Keep hammering on that stone with your other stone in your cave, like we did for 100,000 years.
Why stop now?
Go fuck yourself you stupid shit.
The fuck do you know about anything?
You daddy told you all there is to know about everything in the whole world?
Fuck off and take your low IQ thinking with you.

My point stands.
Without line of succession autism they wouldn't give a shit and Jeoffrey would be the king.

comedy gold

>gets called a vagina
>reacts like one
Like pottery

This has nothing at all to do with the show that portrays fucking with laws of succession as a wholly negative actions. Sorry that no one agrees woth your fan fiction King Renly the Good but you honestly need to pay attention better if "Fuck Laws and fuck those who follow them" are what you got from this show.

His shirt is literally come from H&M holy fuck

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At least I'm not arrogant despite being stupid and ignorant.

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>00:14

If the law of succession was followed Stannis would be King and Joffrey would not have had free reign to plunge the kingdoms into a massive civil war. It was Renly who fucked the succession laws and allowed an inbred bastard with no claim to usurp and be king.

Yes but women bad man good!

im guessing the trick was aiming for the legs/feet back then?

He was challenged because if Eddard was right, then Joffrey had no claim to the throne at all. If Cersei didn't have Robert killed, odds are he would have listened to Eddard and probably killed Joffrey himself, which is why Eddard told Cersei to take her kids and fuck off. The only reason shit got complicated is Cersei killed off Robert before he could do anything.

well no because he actually stays king BECAUSE of line of succession bullshit, since Cersei convinces all the lords of the seven kingdoms that Ned is a traitor to a legitimate heir. Any house would claim the throne like the Tyrells and kill Joffrey if succession meant nothing but they can't because Joffrey is the heir apparent.

We're talking about the show, you fucking idiot. Do you think you're in Yea Forums?

And in the show he lost every fight except for his flank against Mance and then died.

Imo it was when they killed off that Mary sue stannis. Should have been much sooner, you can just hear all the incels screaming "YAAAAAAS KINGGG SLAAAY" Everytime he's on screen

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If the law of succession was followed Dany Taygaryen was the rightful heir of the throne.
But that is besides the point because applying laws blinding is what brainlets without brain computing power do.
If everyone followed the rules, there would be no problems ever in the world.
But everyone does not follow the rules. That is why you allow for exceptions.

>his is bitch reasoning. Stannis called it out.
And Stannis gets called out on this in turn by Renly and Davos.
>"I am the rightful king by law"
>"So was Aerys, your Grace"

I agree with everything you said. Nobody has a problem with strong female characters. In fact, Catelyn Stark was one of my favorite characters in the show, and Arya in the earlier seasons was someone you could support because it felt real.

I feel like they're pandering way too much in the newer seasons, due to the criticism GoT received from feminists in season 1-4. Now most of it feels forced.

No. You just used a war hammer and hit them as hard as you could until they are dead or knocked out. Then you either ransom them or finish them off with a dagger through a slit in the armour.

I dont really understand the White Walkers
Okay they wipe out everything in Westaros and it's now a Continent of Dead
Then What? That's the Plan? Just turn everything to an Undead?

All the backstory fights like The Siege od Storms End and The GreyJoy Fleet and still canon to the show

Stannis is a literal Mary sue stand in for retarded incels

Hey Stannis fags

AAARRGHHH

You have zero idea about what a Warhammer was used for.

They're just following their programming.

Aegon was a conqueror. He wasn't the rightful heir to anything. What makes his decedents any more rightful than Robert, who basically took the crown the same way Aegon did all those centuries ago? If anything the rightful kings are the descendants of the original kings before Aegon came to Westeros.

>Emilia Clark worse than CGI dragon
Based and true.

It's one thing to make the argument that the show is trying to be subversive of the "line of succession" process by showing that it fails.

It's another thing to actually agree with the dumb message of the show.

I agree that the show is trying highlight the problems of the current order, while having someone else (Dany) come in and change it. The whole "I have come to break the wheel!" stupidity.

Ironically, the worst parts of the show involve Dany and the desire of the directors to show how the old system can be replaced. These are the parts that feel forced and unnatural (because they are). In order to make their argument stick, they have alter the story universe in ways that are favorable for these "reform" characters, and it's very unrealistic.

He didn't even break the siege at Storm's End though. He just survived it (entirely due to Davos' going clutch at the 11th hour) long enough for Robert to win the war and send forces to run the Tyrells off.

Har har.

Everyone will die but Jon and Dragon Whore, they fly to Essos and make an Empire there. The End.

Trump is Hodor
Just replace Door with Wall.

Big think post

>And Stannis gets called out on this in turn by Renly and Davos.
>>"I am the rightful king by law"
>>"So was Aerys, your Grace"
Yes, thanks for supporting my argument.
They pissed on the law.
Stannis was right. They sweared an oath to the baratheon king, next in line was stannis, and they just decided to not respect the law.

Dany story has been completely pointless since season 2
>girl with a possible throne right might lead a barbarian horde to westros
>drogo dies
>most of her barbarians die or desert
>???
>5 seasons later
>dany again has a barbarian horde and is invading
>5 seasons retroactively made into pointless filler

>t. conservative bootlicker

Me too and I am 5'10 so not exactly a baby

There is nothing wrong with the plot in the show or the books being anti-tradition.
It's not "lefist nonsense" to point out the flawed ideas of the past.

And then the dumb faggot cut of his fingers.
Because muh punishment for muh crime.

I would be very surprised if the white walkers made it further south than Winterfell. The entire war with the white walkers will be over in 1 episode when they take out the night king and all the wights crumbles with him.

depends.
in the show they're creations of the Children of the Forest that got out of control, so yeah, they're probably just mindlessly going to turn everything undead.
in the books, we don't exactly know yet. the "White Walkers" are mindless zombies who are controlled by the Others, who are implied to be some kind of Fae analogue and are probably intelligent. also, there's hints that when start moving for real, it will probably be a two-front offensive with the other side eventually hitting Yi Ti.

>They pissed on the law.
Rightfully so.

It is if the show is at its worst when its trying to deliver the message it thinks is positive.

Holding a Castle with 500 men against an army of 10,000+ with no mutinies is a legitimate achievement

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>If anything the rightful kings are the descendants of the original kings before Aegon came to Westeros.
righfull kings of what?

the throne uniting the 7 kingdoms never existed ; Aegon made it through conquerering.

That's exaclty why a civil war was inevitable when the family is removed from politics. As Tywin intended.

>renlys a good guy because he said fuck the laws and would be a good king
>its everyone elses fault theres a civil war because everyone should have just let joffrey be king
God damn you cant even help but contridict yourself everytime you move the goal posts, this is the mind of an average renlytard folks

I think this too.
Then immediately after Cersei will attack with her mercenary army.

>He was realistic.
Lol. You can't be serious.
He was completely delusional . He trusted some retarded foreign prophecy, and let inexperienced woman to be his counselor in war and politics. Thousands of people died because his inflated ego. It was clear that nobody gave shit about his right to rule, yet he continued pointless war in the north.
He was prideful, arrogant and jaded man. His bitterness consumed him, he acted out of spite.

It not just a thing in the show. The books have the same exact plot. The books shit on tradition and what is lawful from the very first chapter.

Pounding your fists on the keyboard with a furrowed brow and sweat dripping from your face isn't going to make your argument any more valid, or make you any less of a dumbass.

Yet this is exactly what gets his loan from the iron bank because it helps to have a walking talking reminder that you dont just talk and back up your convictions with action.

So what do you propose to replace the line of succession with? A democratically elected leader? Because that worked out so well for modern society. The reality is there is no perfect system. Not in fantasy, not in reality. All you can do is take the good with the bad.

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>conquest is valid but challenging that conquest with a rebellion is somehow less valid because reasons
If might makes right, that a rebellion is perfectly morally legitimate.

with the way they handled Dany's invasion, yeah it sounds likely.

Yet the books and early show never portrayed this as a good thing and one of the reasons why the seven kingdoms are so fucked

Every argument is superior to your appeal to cavemanism logic.

There is no good and bad in the books. It's literally the first thing you learn. Everything is morally ambiguous and relative.
You can see it both way, but the point is that following tradition has its flaws and this was made ample clear and criticized many many times in the books.

Caveman logic is still better than the absolute lack of logic and coherent thought demonstrated from you.

>A democratically elected leader? Because that worked out so well for modern society.
>Because that worked out so well for modern society.
The Stannis fags ladies and gentleman.
I need not say more.

trannies please leave

>goes on Yea Forums, one of the most degenerate places on the Internet
>probably some kind of pedo or something fucked up like that
>starts bitching about people who are degenerate in a different way than he is
>too stupid to be self aware of this

Delusional as compared to whom? Out of the barrel of candidates, no one was better than he was.

Who is less delusional than he is?

>If might makes right,
it's not.

But might does get to shut right very well.

>>probably some kind of pedo or something fucked up like that

not thatanon, but thats projecting.

>all this projection with no coherent thought
This is why everyone in the thread in ganging up on your delusional renly fan fiction bullshit youre a mess

Then if anything it should look even more ornate and elaborate. Not cheap as fuck

>Super hot magic lady worships him for no reason
>Wife okay with him fucking other women for no reason
>Daughter survives greyscale for no reason
>Davos completely loyal to him for no reason even though he chopped his fingers off
>Iron bank gives him huge loan for no reason
>Pirate captain lends him a fleet despite being responsible for sinking one fleet already
I could go on

>it's not.

tell that to the french or americans

>>renlys a good guy because he said fuck the laws and would be a good king
>>its everyone elses fault theres a civil war because everyone should have just let joffrey be king
This.
She debates on sentiment not reasoning.

>righfull kings of what?
Their own regions obviously.

If you think Aegon had the right to rule because he conquered the kingdoms from the previous rulers, then why wouldn't Robert have the same right for defeating Aerys and basically taking power just like Aegon originally did?

Tell that to the Aztecs, the inca, the zulu, the etc. etc. etc.

>using american meme politics as an example
most nations don't elect a reality tv show host as a leader

It would make more sense if you werent a delusional female who only thinks with her emotions. Stannis wouldnt make sense to you because he is the exact opposite of appealing to emotions.

baited too easily, tranny

Nice

>Tell that to the Aztecs, the inca, the zulu, the

cant ,they got righted by might.

and then the kingdom would have eventually gone to war with everyone.

Jeoffrey wasn't assassinated because he's a big meany poo-head, it's because he was a fucking psychopath, and HE started the war of Five Kings properly when he knocked Ned's head off in spite of their agreement. The kid had to go. If not for his fucking autism fucking up shit with the north beyond all hope of repair, it would have been the war of Three kings, tops.

>let inexperienced woman
The bitch had literal fucking magic. It's not like she was just a snake oil salesman that couldn't back her shit up. If anything, the Lord of the Light had proof of its existence than you could see with your own eyes. Its more likely to be the one true religion than anything else in the series. And if someone tells you that the god of this religions has chosen you as the savior, you fucking roll with that shit.

The only conservatives on Yea Forums are here because they have some fucked up fetish that they are too scared of revealing elsewhere. Lots of them are pedos.

Hillary would be president if it were a democracy...

>If you think Aegon had the right to rule
>if you think
>if you
Stop fucking inplying woman.
Jesus christ
you keep going in circles.

It only makes sense in your fascism fan club bubble.
Stannis is the brownnosing bootlicker's choice.

This alone angers me. I'm still gonna watch season 8 out of obligation but at this point GoT has become a fantasy it tried to subvert. Evil people instead of ambiguous morality and chosen heroes and blah blah blah. Pathetic

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lol no

I hope they do this

kek

Stannis: far-right
Lannisters: centre-right
Tyrells: liberals
Starks: centre-left
Ironborn: far-left

Stannis is the brownnosing bootlicker's choice. No wonder all the pathetic faggots on here love him.
Lannisters are the more typical conservatives. Scheming and beholden to their purses more than anything. And family comes before everything.
Tyrells are smart and able governors and this brings wealth to their lands. They still care about themselves at the end of the day, but they prefer compromise when possible.
Starks are more concerned with the well being of their subjects than all the other families. They pride themselves on being fair rulers.
Ironborn are the closest to rule by the people in the whole of Westeros. They elect their King. They pay the iron price because they value iron over gold.

I’m not the only one that sees a merchant right?

a gay one

What i never noticed but damn if it aint accurate

Because you keep on flip flopping on what you think counts as a legitimate rule. If you don't think the Baratheon line is legit, then you shouldn't think the Targ line is legit either.

Wow nice argument you pathetic cuck. Face is stannis is a Mary Sue that just has everything handed to him

>I will socially shame and slander those who, not think, but ultimately feel differently than me because to actually think logically is just autism to me.
Pathetic.

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Stannis is the only one who would stop the Walkers, left wing parasite

Mostly agree. Viserys is top tier though.

>this faggot again

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stupid phone poster

Quick reminder

We never saw stannis the mannis die on screen

He’ll be back

>in Avengers:Endgame

>stannis more right wing than tywin lannister
>tyrells considered generous and able governors and not snakes who back whichever king gives them most power
>iron born considered far left because they hold elections when no suitable candidate is available despite doing this is exactly what the iron throne does
>characters i hate right wing and characters i like moderate left wing and liberals
Damn man you sure showed everyone

>If you don't think the Baratheon line is legit, then you shouldn't think the Targ line is legit either.
>if you
>you
Implying
It's like you like to fight your own projection.

That’s an interesting example too because the real Battle of the Hydaspes was such a close run thing that it easily could have been made into a desperate situation for the film.

>builds Stannis argument on muh tradition and muh stern leader fantasy
>gets butthurt that people call out his far-right fantasy

Stannis = NCR
Joffrey = Caesar's Legion
Dany = Boomers
Balon = Great Khans
Robb = Brotherhood of Steel

literally cringe seeing this pathetic post

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Now this is based

>stannis
>far-right fantasy
Okay thanks for confirming what everyone in the thread has described you as: completely fucking delusional

>stannis more right wing than tywin lannister
Tywin is typically centre-right.
>tyrells considered generous and able governors and not snakes who back whichever king gives them most power
That's what liberals do. They are all for democracy until it goes against them. Then they will back the right-wing to protect their wealth from the left-wing.
>iron born considered far left because they hold elections when no suitable candidate is available despite doing this is exactly what the iron throne does
That's not the only thing. They are also the ones who shun gold and in the name of a different way of life
>characters i hate right wing and characters i like moderate left wing and liberals
All of them are flawed in their own ways. I'm not a liberal nor a leftist not any other kind of -ist.

>his far-right fantasy

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He's been doing it all thread

Pro-tip: far-right doesn't just mean nazis. Although Stannis would fit well as a NAZI. His delusion of what is right and what is wrong, made him burn his own people because they were heretics.

>he
We've been arguing against a massive hole this entire thread

>Although Stannis would fit well as a NAZI.

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>muh tradition
WHY YOU CALL ME A FASCIST
I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE BY THE LAW THAT I DICTATE BECAUSE I AM THE FINAL MORAL AUTHORITY, IS ALL

>this leftist strawman
this is either a woman or a faggot

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>stannis
>a nazi
>nazi capitialized
Just keep digging that grave

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Absolute unit

In the context of medieval Europe, he'd be a typical Prottie fanatical.
Martin Luther was basically the one who started it all and the NAZIs credit him with giving them the idea

> can't force him to accept my feels
>I will just project my own fears on user to slander his character instead of contesting through reason and logic his arguments.
Weak.

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No one wants to talk about how impractical Loras' helm is for jousting? All that ornamentation creates prime lodging points. Jousting armor is designed to focus the blow away.

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Retarded showfag detected.