Why did US stop making kino animations such as this one, Fritz the cat, Aeon Flux... ?

Because they weren't even good. They're fucking BORING.
But do keep jacking off to cartoons of porno animals. Fucking FAGGOT.
You're a FAGGOT.

because theyre shit and the only appeal is le boobies which we have porn and hentai for now

Honestly this. His movies were mostly popular because of the novelty of seeing animated titties. His adaptation of Lord of the Rings however did come from an honest place and it’s not entirely bad. It’s hewed way closer to the source material in many ways compared to Jackson’s version.

i'm not saying it doesn't exist, i am saying it's self evidently not as substantial as it once was. also that's one network.

I'm saying that modern culture is too politically correct for movies like Heavy Metal or Fire and Ice. Part of their appeal was how hyper-sexualized the female characters were.

It was entirely their appeal especially in Ralph Bakshi’s case. His fantasy movies have almost totally incomprehensible plots.

With youtube and digital animation it isn't even that dispendious. Not if you don't have any deadline to fulfill like in a tv show

this, and the 30 minute toy advertisement age that came after didn't help matters either

It wasn't just the female characters, men were almost naked and muscular af

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the 1986 transformers movie was great and it didn't have any mysogny or anything

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This. Heavy Metal is honestly garbage. There was one story in the movie which was mildly interesting, B-17, because it had a kino mood. Beyond that it was the novelty edge boobs, swearing, and graphic deaths in a cartoon.

Modern day feminazi cunts don't care about that. There was a point where the progressive stance was "sexual objectification is cool as long as it's done equally". Those days are long gone. Anything that appeals to straight men is demonized regardless of context.

Den was kino as fucks, even the original comics is kino.

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Because it’s not new and interesting anymore. Since the invention of the internet you can see any character you want getting fucked.

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half of the movie wasn't even made in the us

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Wait. Is that Rexxar ?

You're opininon is shit

Because the rule is that american adult cartoons need to be edgy comedies that manage to be worse than canadian children shows.7

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It's Fire and Ice

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We stopped experimenting when we found out what made the most money.

Excuse you

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Based retard samefag

>gravity falls
>adventure time, steven universe
>one network

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blame reagan for that

Thicc

The only people I met who dislike heavy metal unironicly watch Netflix cgi anime

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ask Yea Forums you retard

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Nah. Most animation fans agree that Bakshi’s work is all over the place. Generally ranging from “interesting but very flawed” to “unwatchable shit”. I really don’t think any of his movie reached a level that can actually be described as good.

Aeon Flux is rad. Apparently a new live-action series is in the works, which means they didn't learn anything from the terrible 2005 movie lol

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it's just to good not to

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lol saved

Wizards is his best imo, and a genuinely good flick

based rape monkey

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ur shit

I liked Fritz the cat although it doesn't make justice to Crumb

coonskin is solid. Though I tend to agree that despite all his potential he never really made a GREAT film.

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Great Richard Corben art but thats some shitty lettering

wizards is not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination

are you high? or did you just enjoy those poky nipples?

Wizard is top-tier kino.

could work

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Crumb was better on the 80's anyway.

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So you disagree, got it

Aeon Flux's artstyle annoyed me. I couldn't get any good faps out of it.

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It has no idea what it want to be. It was apparently bakshi's idea of a "familly movie". The guy was insane.

Tbh I truly despise rotoscoping. I tried watching Wizards and Fire and Ice but found the plots confusing and the look of them just bad.

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Wizards is objectively bad at being a coherent film. It's interesting though. He does have really good films, Fire & Ice is fantastic, American Pop's long but very good. Not so original though.

it was also animated in Japan.

It's not for fapping.

>objectively
based retard

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It would be better if it was.

Would you honestly claim that you could sit an uninformed person down for a screening of Wizards and expect them to easily follow it? It has good qualities but a coherent plot isn’t one of them.

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Rotoscoping is my fetish but Bakshi's style is a bit harsh. There's nicer more traditional-animation uses too. Titan AE, Anastasia kinda. Also pic related for the other werid extreme.

Objectively incoherent. I love bakshi but the last third is just some kind of wacky drug trip. I wouldn't be surprised if he just blew the budget early and called it art to cover his ass though.

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Plenty of great films lack a totally coherent plot.

Didn't say it wasn't great, said it wasn't coherent. Worth it for the nipples alone.

So why does it matter if it's incoherent? Why bring it up?

Because Disney has a stranglehold over the animation industry and brainwashed everyone into thinking animation is only for children.

American media is fastfood. Other countries treat media as a proper 5 star dinner.

that's it?

Ive got an angle.

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Well the whole premise of the thread is why animated movies like those aren’t made anymore. Bakshi’s movies played decently with audiences back in the 70s but modern day audiences would find them bizarre. He’s very much the definition of a cult filmmaker.

Cringe.

But the person everyone was replying to said that Bashki never made a great film.

yeah I blame american unions for never allowing their workers to be exploited like two pieces of bread per day earning korean children

Incoherent means not going to be appreciated by most. I think even Bakshi's great fuckups are interesting and fun but wizards is still worse than most of his other shit (some of which is coherent).

SOUL
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>wizards is still worse than most of his other shit (some of which is coherent).
Yeah, that's your opinion. I disagree and think Wizards is his best work and a great movie.

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Any other movie animations such as Bashki's and Heavy Metal?

>waaaaah unions actually helped the entertainment industry and didn't wildly inflate what entertainers get paid

American pop and fritz the cat

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I agree with him. Some of Bakshi’s movies have great and interesting individual elements but I don’t think any of them came together as a genuinely great film overall. He’s a very divisive filmmaker.

In what way?

BAKSHI HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HEAVY METAL YOU RETARDS

Imagine being anti-union. Imagine actively working against your best interests for some jews extra millions.

the bosses could have just let them all not work, but they were desperate for shekels and gave in

I think he meant similar animated movies not made by Bakshi. The answer is not really.

yeah heavy metal is a Canadian film

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Other experimental animations from the 70's, other than Bakshi

Why did you respond to my post? I know he didn’t and never indicated that.

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Cool world is pretty good too

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>animations like Gravity Falls, Adventure Time and Steven Universe

How dare you compare that garbage to real animation. get the fuck out

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I fapped to it as a kid for sure.

Pasta

The state of theatrically released animation is pathetic in North America. If it isn't Disney/Pixar or something in the same vein it may as well not even exist.

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I didn't. I just used to show US also uses slave labor to produce those shitty ass cartoons

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Ah, then.... probably not. Watership down/plague dogs are interestingly animated but really traditional otherwise. Heavy metal wasn't experimental either it was just shaped like an anthology comic book. There's probably stop-motion stuff or other things but actual animation even rotoscoped is expensive as fuck.

Kino but not good. Spicy City was pretty good from what I remember, due for a rewatch I guess.

shame they wasted all those god-tier backgrounds of Cool World, based soundtrack too

it's very work intensive, expensive, and niche.

>we can also blame unions
lol fuck off libertardian boot licker

>food analogy

Kubo. But it's the exception that proved the rule.

Western animation is de-

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>y iz yo ass growan outta ya chez bitch

I agree it sucks but it’s not worth it for for small animation studios to try and compete. That said, Disney/Pixar stuff is generally of high quality.

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What was the last good era here?

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too bad I don't give a shit about some weird pansexual show

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But we do!
e621.net/post/show/1682102

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stop posting this gay shit

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Retard logic. You’re thinking only of the top 1% of big name leading actors. Your average journeyman character actors wouldn’t make shit if it weren’t standardized union wages.

>Kang
Based?

this

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Except most of that garbage is animated overseas, most likely in Korea.

you obviously don't work in the entertainment industry. without SAG actors would be twice as fucking broke

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>e621.net/post/show/1682102
Hot!

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The mid 1970s were the peak of American culture.

youtube.com/watch?v=He1J690o2ws

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Despite shitposting every single day on what is ostensibly a film and television forum, so many people on this board can’t seem to grasp that the other people interacting with the movie stars onscreen are also actors that had to audition intensely just for a two minute scene. Even Yea Forums is more knowledgeable of its board topic.

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That wouldn't stop it though

-ath.

Rock and Rule, kind of

Also some eastern euro film about animals, it has mice and a cat villain with an eyepatch. Forgot the name but someone else here probably knows it.

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why this dude still running round naked?

why not?

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Aerodynamics

Secret of NIMH

hm. well, carry on then, I guess

So this is the teenage libertarian I've heard so much about. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about kid

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How could anyone hate this man hes so wholesome

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>actors are underpaid

what kind of fucking bizarro world are you living in

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Was Den black? He looked like a black kid before he got Locnar’d.

He is Jewish but he made based anti-Hollywood animated movies with lots of tits and ass. Very conflicting.

is this comic problematic?

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See

nope he's a white nerd, being Den he's just tanned, his face is clearly caucasian.

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Yea at about half the complexity scale.

>all actors are either Brad Pitt or Jennifer Lawrence-tier earners

just stop dude you sound stupid

Actors are paid pretty average salaries, the money you hear quoted are BONUS money for either having a big name or signing a special longer term contract or something.

I just found it, it’s called Cat City
NIMH is great too though

Not all actors do the same amount of work, are as skilled as each other, or are as lucky.

If they're becoming actors to get rich, they're fucking idiots. You do what drives you, or what pays the bills, not on the off-chance you get some big break and then complain that you haven't "made it" yet. This is what 90% of retards in college end up doing.

Hungarian? Weird.

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This and also this . Yea Forums retards literally think that anyone that isn’t the star of a movie were just grabbed off the street to say a few lines.

What's it about?

There's also still non-union jobs since nobody's forcing them to work union (in most cases).

Felidae isn't cat city but its a cat murder mystery. It's der katzenthriller.

Yeah no shit but there are plenty of working actors out there making a living doing guest spots and commercials. If it weren’t for union standards, they wouldn’t be paid shit. It’s really not that different from trade work unions. They were formed for similar reasons.

rabbit and wolf is pretty good

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>Yea Forums retards literally think that anyone that isn’t the star of a movie were just grabbed off the street to say a few lines.
seems like a better system.

that looks fucking awful
do they fugg?

>People would still sign up to be in commercials even if they were being paid pennies
Does not sound like a problem.

part of the problem is that women don't or are no longer able to even recognize male objectification in the first place. A violent, risk-taking hero of a man is a turn-on for a woman. A violent, risk-taking woman is not inherently attractive to a man.
>in4 some femdom fag objects
Having a weird fetish or an unusually feminine mindset isn't the same. For men those fetishes are invariably variations of "hot woman doing something" with the emphasis on the woman being physically appealing. For women the violent dominance gets them wet regardless of how physically attractive the man is (although ti helps).

its implied

I just remembered another source of weird animated shit that actually kind of linearly follows. Video adventure games.
youtube.com/watch?v=OIIXjulD3_w

except that lots of guys also want to BE violent, risk-taking heroes. lots of women don't want to be passive eye candy.

etc

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Tarna would like a word with you

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his comic is actually pretty good too, both the one they used in the movie and the longer one.

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good thread btw. good job op.

>CalArts graduates using Flash animation is comparable to hand drawing movement frame by frame

Remember to smoke Winston cigarettes, tastiest tobacco in the USA

>Fritz
Fritz was a absolute degenrate and should have died at the end
>drops out of college because reasons
>drugs
>orgies
>fucking nigger prostitutes
>starts a civil war getting untold numbers killed and runs away
>leaves gf in the desest to die
>joins a skinhead gang and beats up prostitutes

>i need the movie to tell me how to feel by obviously punishing the bad guys

Only issue here is the drugs. The rest is based.

>the plot of Fire and Ice was confusing
Out of all the criticisms that could be levelled at that train wreck ...

Are you the same user who complaining about rotoscoping about a week ago in a Miyazaki thread?

It was meant as satire. It’s actually a really redpilled movie.

No that wasn’t me. I should clarify that I specifically dislike Bakshi’s brand of rotoscoping because it looks cheap. Other animated movies have used it to better effect.

Shoutout to the greatest game ever made.

Brisby is the pinnocal of female characters
>takes care of kids and dying kid despite dead husband
>ends up going on the same suicide mission

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simpsons still exists

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Kek

>Best music: disco, rock, funk
>Best architecture
>Best interior
>Best color combinations
>Best movies
>No PC-shit outside college political science classes
>Best looking cars
>Exploring planets in our Solar system
>Best clothes
Truly a golden decade

>but there are plenty of working actors out there making a living doing guest spots and commercials
But what? So?

>If it weren’t for union standards, they wouldn’t be paid shit
Apparently it was lucrative enough before unions for people to pursue it professionally. I'm aware unions have given great aid to the rights of actors, but unions are also helping to ruin the economy by continuously grabbing and pushing for more and more until they bleed everything dry. Teacher's unions are a great example of this.

enjoy getting murdered by a serial killer

You forgot the golden age of porn. Living in 1970s Los Angeles must have been kino.

>unions are also helping to ruin the economy by continuously grabbing and pushing for more and more until they bleed everything dry. Teacher's unions are a great example of this.
maybe his shows that this economic system is inherently unsustainable.

teachers unions don't even help secure benefits for teachers though they're practically mafia.

Early to mid 80's was the best period for porn. Best production value, most attractive women, with standards much higher than the 70's.

80s porn>>>

So is socialism. Eventually you run out of other people's money.

pretty sure canada made heavy metal

eventually you run out of other people's cheap labor.

Unions used to be a necessary thing but now are complete useless , most companies now already do what unions used to. The functional purpose they serve is to add another tax to my checks and stop retards from getting fired

Early 80s I agree. That was an extension of the 70s era. Mid to late 80s is when production values started sliding and 80s culture took over. That easy breezy fun feel of golden age porn is very distinct.

Never happened once, ever.

This

my point exactly.

it's happening right now. china used to be the place for cheap labor, but now they're getting a middle class. pretty soon there's gonna be no one left to do this shit.

>run out of cheap labor
No, you just move the industry to the next area where people are willing to put up with cheaper pay. This cycle is infinitely exploitable because while pay keeps being raised in certain areas other market areas crash and it becomes feasible to move manufacturing/production so it's just as cheap/close to being as cheap as it was before.

I'm not advocating for this by the way, I think that the "unrestrained capitalism" meme is an utter fucking joke and banks and conglomerates are sucking the world dry of resources and using off-shore havens to store trillions in easily accessible private fortunes, but without addressing this directly and continuing to play a proxy war through unions is not going to solve it.

Hit them where it hurts, in their private banks and safe havens and you will get what you want. You need to push for international banking laws and remove the identity of the corporation as a person.

This

Teacher's unions are truly the american enemy bleeding us dry, yeah. Unions are the enemy, thats why the middle class has been booming post-reagan eh zoomer?

Many actors have spoken out against SAG-Aftra. The problem is they’re so deeply ingrained in the entertainment industry.

>No, you just move the industry to the next area where people are willing to put up with cheaper pay. This cycle is infinitely exploitable because while pay keeps being raised in certain areas other market areas crash and it becomes feasible to move manufacturing/production so it's just as cheap/close to being as cheap as it was before.
except you're not taking into account automation. every time this cycle repeats there's fewer jobs.

I have no idea who 3/4 of those characters even are.

No, the middle class is an illusion of regulations and debt. If their economy turns down then middle class people will be back in the sweatshops even if its illegal.

Ah bloo bloo. Just buy a car and stop hitchhiking, stop visiting brothels and always carry an automatic gun with you. Just a few simple things to protect you from murderous thugs.

>If their economy turns down then middle class people will be back in the sweatshops even if its illegal.
nope.

People need to work, if they can't be paid up to their high standards the high standards don't somehow prop them up.

This was half decent at best

sneed on the bottom

Le boobies in western animation > hentai which is universally shit tier

Nice cherry picking from my post wanna-be-boomer tumor zoomer.

nationalreview.com/corner/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund/

medium.com/@edreform/teachers-unions-have-too-much-power-the-supreme-court-may-have-just-rectified-that-b1804068f22d

city-journal.org/html/how-teachers’-unions-handcuff-schools-12102.html

That labor will have already moved. To some other shit country. There won't be any sweat shops to work in anymore, they all move to Cambodia or whatever.

They stopped give a shit about incels?

1stpbp

No I think they want the guy to be hot too. It’s cool to be dominant if the guy is attractive, otherwise he’s a creep

You mean they will have invested in the future to get them a temporary bubble. Yes, those bubbles are finite though.

Ralph Bakshi movies and Heavy Metal were made for normies. Yeah losers in the 70s watched and fapped to them too but no one could have predicted the level of loser NEET incels the internet would create.

KINO

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So what they hsve too much money to spend on other projects and forgot?

Based sneedbrother

If the economy in the US tanked hard enough that people were begging to work at sweatshops and construction sites couldn't. Because there aren't enough of those jobs. They are already filled by immigrants or have been moved to other countries. Globalism has pre-emptively ruined every economy.

cartoons were increasingly marketed to children as it became increasingly cemented in the minds of American adults that cartoons are for children

>pic related
>all entertainment is "for children" as it is a purposeless waste of time
>Y u no work! y u watch sport instead of provide-for famiry!

I'll let you in on a secret - Americans are stupid faggots willing to orient their lives however they perceive they're supposed to while thinking they're strong individuals

You could contest that sitting by the fire, sipping brandy, and reading Thoreau is no more adult than spending all day playing hopscotch
I'll step back and say that's hyperbolic - but the medium of a developed artform really isn't the taste/age-of-audience determiner moreso than content
>for children - hentai disagrees

With CGI / animation hybrids further driving down costs I keep hoping to see the western studio that brings for the era of rich-world original-sci-fi animation that film failed to deliver in our clown future - instead opting to produce as many "arthouse" shits as possible and just flood every different platform

The sad part is.. Disney was pretty much THE CREATOR of the fully animated feature. In the realm of the stage and screen - the emergence of the animated feature came later. It was distinctly an American property - & Pinocchio, Snow White, Fantasia - all these things were confluences of European fairy tales, European culture - remixed and brought to new life. Packaged, yes as a way to teach our collective culture to children but as technical wonders requiring the artistry of an army of professionals
The actual assessment of what the American Melting pot was - a pinnacle of European ideas & emergent culture
There was so much fucking potential.
Well you know how that went - commercialized into banality while we volunteered for decay & replacement. Meteor come now.

>tl:dr because western audiences are faggots
>dont this place to birth anything worth a god damn

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Why are so many degenerates good at art, is it their autism power? I want to get to this level but it seems so hard.

oh wait..
>this pic related
forgot my shorter point and went on to rant instead....

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That's not how anything works though, you it's a ponzi scheme but there is no magical other country you can keep moving jobs to to keep the prices low. It's not globalism it's still just imperialism same as it was 300 years ago.

If the economy ANYWHERE tanks low enough that you're not getting jobs people will work garbage like subsistence farming and drive the prices back down or they'll die and still drive the prices back down.

>he thinks that's good art

How come blatantly lesbian cartoon like adventure time and shera is allowed to be made but american cartoons featuring high quality sex or violence is not allowed?

I think Hey Good Lookin' is a legitimately great gang movie. Wizards is a great fantasy movie

Also really like Coonskin and Heavy Traffic

Anyone that doesn't like one of these has genuinely shit taste

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>will work garbage like subsistence farming
where's the farmland? oh that's right, it's already being used by farmers.
>there is no magical other country you can keep moving jobs to to keep the prices low
that's what we've been doing for the past century. it's finite, but our part is finished.

Farmers are using a lot of land but not nearly all of it. Plus there's already sufficient tech to push underground and other crazy shit. Only going to be more farmland as we cook the planet.

And this is good? You think this is sustainable? I'm sure we'll find a way to survive, but it's not going to be good, it's not going to be pretty. We're reaching a critical point where things are going to get a lot worse before they maybe get better.

Doesn't matter if its good or not, people are going to have jobs. Serfs are cheaper than robots.

>How come blatantly lesbian cartoon like shera
picked the fuck up

>Serfs are cheaper than robots.
Until the robots sustain themselves.
>people are going to have jobs
Only when people die and move out of the way.

>77
Checked.
also I come to Yea Forums to avoid blackpill u fuk

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I DEMAND MORE OF THIS

This retarded belief is literally what killed the amazing Thundercats reboot.

Lol this.

It's Darkwolf, whom Rexxar is a ripoff of

Thanks for posting

Second.

Robots should be careful what they wish for.

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Don't ask for american studios to produce kino animation, ask independent animators to do it for you, especially with Blender (cause it's free). We could see a revival of adult animation in the future.

You love being cucked by your boss, eh?

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>implying they would enslave us and not just exterminate or totally ignore us

>I'll let you in on a secret - Americans are stupid faggots willin-
no point in reading further
people who are so fucking stupid to believe that humans evolved over the course of millions of years can suddenly diverge and split off into a different group over the course of 200 years need to be euthanized
there's absolutely no point in breathing if you think things this asinine

holy fuck you are retarded, women sacrifice their futures right now to gain a few points. Give any women the option to cut her lifetime in half for 10/10 beauty and 90% of them would take it.

half of those shorts were politically infested garbage

>Give any women the option to cut her lifetime in half for 10/10 beauty and 90% of them would take it.
so would most men.

How come we never get kino like this on /aco/? It's all jap shit

OH you mean that show that SHITS on proportion and consistency, not to mention the repulsive artsyle and garbage mentally-ill enabling story

/aco/ became the refugee for /d/eviants that wanted western artists and styles, which I think was the original intention, but they made the mistake of calling adult comics, making some people think they had a place to post actual comics instead of the hellhole of shitty cartoon generals and capecomics that take up Yea Forums

KER SPLASH AND THEN WHAT
WHAT

Apparently

you need to spend more time there. we get euro comics dumped semi-regularly.

the movie, yes. pretty much every story is euro though,other than based DEN, like the magazine that cherrypicked stories from metal hurlant

>doesn't want to acknowledge the faggot in the mirror
you'll get there

These are all garbage absolute garbage tier.
I hate hanna barbera so much, even when i was a toddler i could notice the abyss between the good old racist tom and jerry animation to hanna barbera asset flip crap.
God how could they float for so long? are americans retarded?

>Spicy City was pretty good from what I remember
No, it's shit.

Anyone remember this? Early 70s domcom geared to adults, not afraid to tangle with issues and yet boring as hell. That's H-B for you.

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because of retards like this

>terrible 2005 movie
I enjoyed that movie.
Fuck you.

Gave me a chuckle.
But i can't stop thinking of Dilbert shooting up the office before this ever happens.

Where's Huddles
Babu Genie
Jabberjaw
Daisy Duke cartoon
Adult Bam Bam
Mork and Mindy Cartoon
Fred Flintstone
Snagglepuss
Wally Gator
Magilla Gorilla
Muttley
Angel Gary Coleman
Morocco Mole
Smurfette
Papa Smurf

Anime is going down a similar direction right now as well. Most anime is heavily teen focused.

>Felidae
Nazi cats try to create the master race and kill the mutts

When I was a kid I was watching an episode of Felix the Cat. My mom asked what I was watching and I told her, and she freaked out and made me turn it off saying it was inappropriate.

For fifteen years I've been wondering what that was about. I've finally realized she must have got it mixed up with Fritz the Cat. Thank you OP for solving a mystery.

>Americans aren't payed slave wages
Lmao

You should use this discovery as an excuse to call your mother.

We are very close user, we talk almost every day. Thank you though. I'll bring it up with her next time.

>Aeon Flux is rad.
Yes. Yes it was, and is.

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Didn't he get fucked over by people in the comic industry?

I bet I can go there right now and it's nothing bit jap shit. Be back in a minute, user. If I'm wrong I owe you a dollar

That Godzilla cartoon was kino thou

Only liberals can enjoy this shit

This was animated by James Baxter

the aesthetics man, fuck

Fuck you Hanna Barbera is my childhood

Keep telling yourself that pleb

>I need everything to have an Aaron Sorkin screenplay

>tfw no good rips of Hey Good Lookin
Bakshi is my favorite director.

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>and the 30 minute toy advertisement age that came after didn't help matters either

unless you could get away with telling a serious story because the censors: 1 didn't exist or 2 didn't care or 3 could be bought off

> World War 2 IN SPACE

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Wizards 1977

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Wlat disney genuinely wanted to see what could be done with animation and pushed hard for all of his films to be good watch a documentary on his life. He genuinely wanted animation to be taken serious.

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man that was a dope toy

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g-go back to /c-co/

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Animators were killed off by CGI.

>stronk womyn with SJW haircut killing a bunch of men with ease
>rad

cringe and bluepilled

You guys forgot about Spawn, the animation is dope as fuck !

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it was meh at best, 1 to 100 issues is where is at

Check