320 million doppelgangers somehow being kept secretly underground eating billions of rabbits...

>320 million doppelgangers somehow being kept secretly underground eating billions of rabbits, somehow attaining 320 million jumpsuits and 320 million pairs of scissors and somehow no one has ever found them, or no employees or anyone has ever said anything.
Correct.
>Just the sheer size of the whole operarion is just dumb.
It's fiction, and you're dumb. You misspelled "operation" and used the word "just" twice in one sentence.

Your answer is in here

Then Peele shouldn't have tried to rationalize it and instead kept their origins a mystery instead of a half-baked explanation that falls apart at the slightest scrutiny

Organ harvesting is a much better reason to keep the doppelgängers underground.

>each person born has a doppelgänger created for the sole purpose of having their organs harvested for the livelihood of the original

Much better concept

Should have ended like this or the Borderlands

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They don’t because it’s a film and not reality.
I didn’t really love this movie but this is the most retarded criticism of it that I’ve seen here.

I would have re-used the backstory from "Counterpart". Lab accident creates parallel dimension, which we promptly throw under the bus (abandon). But they find ways into our world, and begin to plan.

Dude he's the new Hitchcock. If you disagree you're racist

>think about that for a second
That'd be more time than what Peele spent on his backstory.
She literally walks into a house of mirrors, why not just make it a mirror dimension.
>resorts to correcting grammar because he has no argument.
Unless it changes them so they are kept in fucking tubes or something, it still doesn't solve the issue of resources, plus it takes away the "mirror actions" plot device.
>because it’s a film and not reality.
It's just not our reality, there still has to be an internal consistency.

This is the worst movie of the year, but everyone's too afraid to admit it. And it has nothing to do with race, what it is about is people wanting this movie to succeed just because the last one he made was such a success. It's the same reason James Cameron shills post those countdown threads every fucking day, just because Titanic and The Abyss were good that must mean Avatar and Alita are good, because how could renowned director James Cameron ever fuck up. They are trying to put this level of prestige on Peele's name after he's made ONE okay horror movie so that when his Twilight Zone reboot comes out people will lap that up too, because he's "proved he's capable of handling such a prestigious series." If Peele is such a great writer, he should be able to make his own show separately from the huge Branding Power that The Twilight Zone carries, when really he's so weak he needs to use the established show as a crutch. The most telling signs are the fact that the trailers reference the original series (fortune devil, creature on wing, etc.), which the 80s reboot never did. Because they're meant to be standalone stories.

Yeah that would make a lot of sense. Peele has no problem copying full plots anyway.

What is it with Peele and crying blank faced niggers

Exactly. Looking beyond the politics etc "Get Out" made sense in the universe it established.

Crying because of slavery and racism in modern america

Peele was raised by a (((white))) woman while his black father left him. He has some self loathing shit going on for sure.

he jean yus

>resorts to correcting grammar because he has no argument.
He's dumb and I didn't care what he thought. The Tethered no doubt stole what they needed and killed as necessary, though their not-fully-understood ability to influence surface dwellers was no doubt an enormous help.

Something you don't seem to understand about horror is the difference between evoking fear from what is shown and evoking fear between what is not shown. Movies that don't explain every last minutiae of the tax code are maintaining a bit of mystery, as well as reducing narrative clutter. With less to spread your focus on, you have more time/attention to spend on the elements that the author chooses to show you. This is why we suspend disbelief. Because when we stop demanding that every single thing be rational, we are allowed to enter the world of fiction, of imagination, and sometimes we find fear there and have fun. How's that for an argument, you presumptuous little brat?

No. Fuck you.

You either give your movie rules, or you don't. You can't do it half assed. A good horror movie is either bound by a specific set of rules that allows the viewer to anticipate future actions or the movie is a nightmare dreamscape where nothing makes sense because it's all a fever dream of terror.

Both those options are fine. The issue is when you make a movie and you go to great lengths to give it rules, backstory, world building, but none of it makes any fucking sense and it's all contradictory and none of the exposition matters at all because the whole movie is a metaphor about the different socioeconomic classes in society.

It's trash. I can't believe Red Letter Media fell for this.

But the tax code has nothing to do with the narrative of the Hobbit, while the Upkeep of this Government Facility is integral to understanding the plot. Hence my saying that if it were just a Mirror dimension, it'd make more sense, since they'd not just be mirroring these actions in an empty underground facility. And it wouldn't matter that it destroys the narrative of them living a life of extreme banality in empty hallways, because they could change it to them being the ones in control of the reflections if they exit the mirrors, which makes even more sense than "Two Clones sharing One Soul." You can mix magic and science, but you have to do it well. Otherwise you get Stonehenge and Halloween 3.

>”just turn your brain off” in so many words
Not him, and I liked the movie, but there has to be some sort of rules grounding it. Especially since it’s not so far removed from reality, like fantasy or what have you. You cant really ask everyone to just “suspend disbelief” as far as not questioning how hundreds of millions of clones remained hidden without repercussions.
Going back to OP, i just think that that was the worst thing. The sheer size of it. If it was scaled back to a smaller size it wouldve made much more sense.

>lol just turn your brain off bro

In this movie, Peele lacks the movie important talent in a horror story: Knowing when to shut up.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think are some of the best horror movies? I tend to agree about having rules, but I'm having trouble coming up with a list of good horror movies that follow strict rules.

Yeah it's good if you turn your brain off completely

There are rules. They ate rabbits. They lived underground. They were provided for in terms of materials. You big baby.

It’s not about anticipating action but realazing how and why things happened before the reveal.

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Movie should've ended when they saw the news footage tbqh.

You can't survive off rabbit alone, user. They all would have died.

My favorite horror movies are:
The Thing
Tetsuo The Iron Man
Return Of The Living Dead

I'd say The Thing is bound by rules, but those rules don't constrain the monster very much. The rules do provide structure for the characters to work from in order to try to defeat the monster though, the blood test for instance.

Tetsuo The Iron Man has zero rules and is a complete fever dream nightmare and it's amazing.

Return Of The Living Dead is governed by rules that are fairly unique for a zombie movie. Every piece of the zombie is ever living, the zombies can talk, burning them causes more harm than good, etc. The very end of the movie after the problem seems to be resolved calls back to earlier rules set up that let you know the problem isn't solved, it's been made way worse.

Obviously a lot of horror movies only have a very loose framework of rules, but it can still be very jarring when something they specifically said is countermanded later on in the movie with no explanation. Either have rules or don't, both work. In my opinion rules are there mostly for the characters to use to work out how to save themselves or how to overcome the situation.

I feel like in Us the director used a bunch of exposition to create these rules, this world building, that actually ended up distracting from the movie because none of those rules or world building made sense or were fleshed out.

Oh these thousands or millions of people are underground. Eating rabbits. That the government provided for them. Or something. It would have been a better movie if all of that was removed and there was zero science, one hundred percent supernatural.

The explanation of the tunnels, the tethering, the clones, none of it is satisfactory so it seems like it would have been more streamlined and scary without any of that. Just there are tunnels under the city full of duplicates. No one knows where they came from. No one knows what they've been eating, how long they've been down there.

>That the government provided for them
I was under the impression that the rabbits were test subject for the cloning process, and they were left to breed like rabbits in the now abandoned facilities.

Also I feel like the entire concept in Us would have played better as some period piece. Set it in some American colonial time setting. Set it in a rural village. There are caves underneath the town and no one is supposed to go in them. Then it turns out there are duplicates of everyone in the town that exist in the caves, and they're coming out and killing their originals. I think that sounds like a good movie because it's 100% supernatural, there's zero explanation. It's just a freaky concept and characters reacting to a freaky concept. It doesn't always need to be explained. But if you do explain it, do a good job otherwise you blew it.

Don’t watch a movie like Lost Highway, it’ll make your autistic brain explode.

>Think about that for a second
No u

Isn’t believability and the ability to accept thr rules of a horror movie what makes it scary?

>they were left to breed

Eating what? See it's like... Don't give the audience this feeble attempt at world building if it doesn't even make sense. A more supernatural explanation can be freakier and easier for the audience to accept.

It's a Lynch movie, I go into it knowing there won't be a logical explanation.
>OP: 50 Shades of Grey is shitty fanfiction.
>(You): Better steer clear of Paradise Lost then.

I'm this ( ) guy, and I didn't even realize that the rabbits wouldn't have anything to eat either, so it makes even less sense now. Thank you.

>You're a baby if you think things through!!!
>Don't you dare question glaring plot holes, that would be reflective of your immaturity!!!
Yep, that's gonna be a yikes from me. dawg.

It's quite something to think about, isn't it? Almost horrific, you could say.

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>UGH I NO LIKE NIGGER MOVIE
>watch RLM nitpick it
>oh now i get why i dont like it haha time to post
like fucking clockwork

Breathe kid, take a lap.

you're supposed to turn off your brain bro

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Lol was she really a jewess? God dammit that figures.

dude.. just turn your brain off and dont think about anything and clappy clappy when the man does stuff

>black father left him
I've already seen that movie

No.

Imagine moving your fingers to type this.

>no?
Cringe

also it stars some ugly black bish so i dont really want to see it

And his first movie has people wanting to be black. Suspension of disbelief is not his strong suit.

Is US the same genre of "race bait and switch" as get out?

No

Lupita is beautiful. Literally one of the 3-4 black women I'm attracted to.

does the film portray the dopplegangers to have the same level of intelligence that their counterparts have?

nobody said anything about not being attracted to black women. its just that, you know, if im paying to see a movie, on the silver screen, how about finding an actress who is pretty? you know, straight hair, normal angled nose not too flat and not too big, good cheek bones and facial structure and light skin. thats all im saying. and hollywood knows this too they just put lupita nyongo in movies to troll us

Us is about classism and not racism.

I mean this crazy bish has the gorilla eyes! She has the gorilla eyes bruh! Wtf are you doing Hollywood?? Can we go back to having attractive people in movies please?! Would it be too much to have an ATTRACTIVE female plastered across the 30ft tall screen? That too much to ask Hollywood?

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The entire film should have just been a home invasion story with the four Shadows. If Peele had stuck with that it would have easily been a 7-8/10. He literally fucked his own shit by over explaining everything.

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>um hello, it's fiction? That means you don't get to question the logic of anything that happens, RETARD. Get a load of this IDIOT over here guyz

Nowhere is it implied this was a nationwide epidemic

They are literally reenacting Hands Across America, are you retarded?

Us isn't bad, it's good. It's just not very good. It's definitely entertaining. Peele's main goal was to make a fun horror for audiences and he succeeded in that.

But it's not very scary, and it's funny at times but not that funny. And it's pleasingly mysterious but the mystery is very poorly fleshed out in the end. It would have been better to just not explain everything.

So, they've been planning this for years and years? It took them years to plan to walk outside and stab people with scissors? Really? And does the twist in the end even matter? We don't actually know much about these tunnel people, what difference does it make if she switched places when she was five? Are the tunnel people inherently evil or something?

It's just a generic home invasion horror with a sci-fi twist and a lot of jokes and a bunch of black people. It's really not that special. The fact that people are comparing Peele to Hitchcock is just lunacy. He's been co-opted by the SJWs as their champion, clearly, which is silly. They'll just make themselves look more pathetic idolizing this mediocre schlock artist.

>Movie about DUMBs

Ill take it.

How is horror in general irrational?

This guy gets it.

Us is like Sorry To Bother You. First 3/4 really good and focused and well-realized. Then the script goes off into crazy nut town without any sort of logic.

Saw Us tonight. Was all right. At the end, when it's really supposed to be sinking in and hitting home, I'm literally thinking "How in her secret escape plan did she get 50 million pairs of scissors and matching jumpsuits"?

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>more like DUMB movie

>But it's not very scary

When in the fuck are horror movies actually scary after you're older than thirteen?

I didn't watch Us because the director hates white people

this.
I didn't see anyone complaining about the 500 so yhorror movies about being possessed by le devil not being realistic

All he had to do was to scale down the whole thing for one small town where people dont move often, how did he not see this?

Thank you for your courageous stance in favor of imaginary white victimhood. God bless you.

Guys, I cracked the code. The reason everyone is over-analyzing this shitflick is because of how cerebral Get Out was, while this one has absolutely no subtext.
We're looking for something that isn't there.

>how cerebral Get Out was
I still don't get why it was so popular.
"Dem honkeys be jelus of our big dicks and menlanin, we mussa kill em fo they kill us"

Demonic posession is a documented thing, and a movie which allows it as a poaaibility takes fewer leaps in logic than a duplicate of eveey person in America hiding underground.

It's not imaginary if it's real, jew.

kek

Jews were literally sent to death camps, and jews had less rights than gentiles for 2000 years, we weren't allowed at golf courses, sorry that in your mind having to see black people in your funny pictures is equal oppression

It feels like Gentrification's Reefer Madness.
>The White Man has Gentrified or Homes, our Food, and our Music.
>Now, they plan to Gentrify... OUR MINDS.

>we weren't allowed at golf courses
My god, I had no idea the struggle (((your people))) had gone through.

Soviet Jews starved 5x as many Ukranians to death during the Holodomor.

See: You jews are monsters and must be destroyed.

These kinds of posts are why racism is still real

>These kinds of posts are why racism is still real
What did he mean by this?

Simply power off your head computer

>Immediately jumps to the Jew card

Thanks, bigot.

>unironically using the word bigot as an insult on this site
were we in the news again

It's a movie for niggers why the fuck do you think the writing would be cohesive or logical?

Future posters, dont let the sudden derailment of this thread’s topic distract you from the fact that Us unironically just works if you dont use your brain while watching it. Just take it for what it is: a masive achievement for the blacks in america because the director is black and the cast is black.

What the fuck do you think happened in Christchurch?

>ignore the movie's problems and just praise it because it has black people

This is sarcasm, right?

those death camps were as fake as your fake "jewish" ass is
you're not a jew but rather a red hebrew edomite

Yes

It was really one of those things where by explaining just a little bit is worse than explaining next to nothing at all. Just leaving it open as a "there are duplicates of people in the underground tunnel, forced to mimic those above ground" thing would have been better than saying it was some sort of absurdly large cloning plot, leaving the audience free to fill in the blanks. Maybe have it like the actual Tethered don't have to eat because they're fucking weird monster beings, but the human girl had to scavenge for bugs and other vermin and drinking drainage water to survive.

he obviously did and figured only autist would be bothered by this

How could you actually defend this tho? Seriously? Just turn your brain off and try not to notice it? Wouldnt it be better if, as you said, he thought of this, so he just scaled it down and ultimately made a better film? What’s to lose from scaling it down as so many anons already said?

>lmao don't think about it
copied and saved

except they liked the film, they acknowledged the premise creates holes but the focus is clearly on the sequence of events and the ride the characters are on in service of the allegory. The premise and setting is just window dressing.

>heh silly autists and wanting movies to make sense! JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF, STUPID! XD

I think the truth is he's making 'woke' cinema and is most likely aware (especially after Get Out) that the mainstream will eat this garbage up no matter how retarded it is. He can make a stupid film like this that doesn't make any sense at all because it's SOOOOOO DEEP AND WOKE and it will be endlessly praised by critics while white liberals will throw their money at it.

I understand that, and I genuinely applaud Mike and Jay's Critical Integrity that they are able to see past that and appreciate the good portions of the movie despite the bad. But I'm too autistic to let that sort of thing pass me by.
>What’s to lose from scaling it down as so many anons already said?
That's the wrong question, because he HAD nothing to lose by making the story make more sense, but it's too late for anything like that. The movie is already out, and it's already been established that the US Government did research into Cloning, for some reason, and then abandoned that research, for some reason, when they found that the clones had no free will, for some reason, and were soul bonded with their original version, for some reason, which caused them to mimic the original's actions, for some reason.
I legitimately think that Peele's Liberal Agenda ends at the casting level for this movie. I've already said this, there is absolutely no subtext to this thing. To think otherwise is to succumb to madness.

Never said i don't mind scaling it down to just a town, its a definite flaw. I'm just not an autist looking for the opportunity to sound smart. The film itself breaks when analyzed from a lens of logistics but it was never meant to survive that scrutiny. The setting and premise itself is just a creative concept to explore the allegory and themes while being entertained by the visceral ride that the family is forced on.
The only real flaw on Peele's part was him explaining anything about the premise at all. You keep your brain on, just don't get obsessive over the fact that the premise is fucking nuts and logistically doesn't work because then you turn your brain off to other things in the film. Internal logic is not necessary for every story's premise and setting, only for characters and their choices.

>But I'm too autistic to let that sort of thing pass me by.
good on you for honesty but some of us just roll with it if it's entertaining enough, interesting, and excising our minds on different fronts.

>I've already said this, there is absolutely no subtext to this thing.
If that's true then it makes this movie even worse than it already is.

>To think otherwise is to succumb to madness.

Welcome to Yea Forums, where you will find moral outrage on any conspiracy theory when it comes to casting and pushing "agendas" down your throat because it isn't the 1920s anymore and the cast isn't entirely white.

>I'm going to pretend Get Out doesn't exist and Peele's comments about not wanting to cast white men in leading roles and also how reviewers for this particular movie claimed it was woke bullshit like Get Out

I regret creating this thread.

It doesn't invalidate him as an artist. While Get Out and this did have their flaws the execution was still amazing.

>no subtext
are you kidding me? all because the subtext wasn't loud and in your face like it was in Get out doesn't mean it wasn't there. Jesus Christ Us is truly plebfilter and for one am glad most people will prefer get out

I think that's a pretty shallow way of looking at a medium but to each his own.

is a film's setting and premise making sense the only thing that makes a good film for you faggots?

ironic because i believe your outlook is also shallow and derivative

>RLM: Get out good
Yea Forums: ME LIKE BLACK MAN FILM

>RLM: Us bad
Yea Forums: ME NO LIKE BLACK MAN FILM

but they liked Us and based jay said he liked it better than Get Out.

Nitpickers are never satisfied.

unironically yes, nothing else matters

I'm not denying that Peele has an agenda, nor that Get Out was anything but pushing that agenda, even if it is fairly good.
But what you can't grasp is that there is nothing in Us that screams at me like Get Out does to be ashamed of being white and upper-middle class. Like so many people have said, this could've been a generic home invasion slasher and done much better, but because Peele made Get Out, the people expect the next movie to live up to his reputation, but I've already stated such here . It's all about The Prestige.
Not at all, I've already said how much I enjoy the works of David Lynch, but when it's anyone who isn't making an absurdist piece like Jodorowsky or Gilliam, I feel like the plot needs to make more sense than not at all. It's like if in Class of 1984 we never see Timothy Van Patten do anything illegal on screen, but Perry King still kills him at the end. Without the proper motivation, we'd all be left wondering why this Music Teacher killed one of his students for no reason.
It's more like nitcombing.

Admit it, you hate the movie because the director is black, you know it's true.

I'm a nitpicker because I look for some BASIC internal consistency and logic in a movie? Fuck off.

Actually I hate it because the director is jewish

No, I love Hunger, Shame, Moonlight and Sorry to Bother You.

>I'm not racist, I have black friends

>Without the proper motivation, we'd all be left wondering why this Music Teacher killed one of his students for no reason.
this is internal logic that revolves around character. I'm specifically talking about the premise and setting.

I didn't watch this movie because I don't like horror movies.
Not having to stare at niggers is just a bonus.

Just my response to your dumb accusation. Wouldn't I dislike all these movies by your logic?

Okay, then what if it didn't take place in LA, but rural kansas instead, and only the named characters behave the same.

Okay, i admit it. Its true.

I dont know if youre this guy
but i was specifically asking him. If he OBVIOUSLY thought of this huge contrivance to the plot in the first place, why did he just not fix it before it ever got filmed?

Also fuck this guy. Seriously. Is it wrong to ask for some basic common sense and proper scaling in movies now? Suddenly, if a black director does it, all criticism is null because its ‘racist’?

How can the plot work if the premise is already flawed?
>just turn your brain off
>dont notice this glaring thing and just enjoy it
Why is the bar so fucking low nowadays?

No? But is it wrong to hold a black director to the same standard as every other director? Suddenly its racist if you notice something wrong with the film?

It doesn't even make sense under the already present layers of nonsense. Rabbits have very low nutritional diet and you couldn't survive on a diet of them

LMAO I came here to ask if the movie was good and I read this spoiler. Glad I did. Dropped.

>If he OBVIOUSLY thought of this huge contrivance to the plot in the first place, why did he just not fix it before it ever got filmed?

because it didn't matter. In his mind he was making an allegoric tale that could fit the run time. Where he fucked up was when he went into detail explaining the premise which was where i felt he was being too much of a pussy and afraid dumb people would be mad that everything is ambiguous but ironically it only made the film dumber as a result.
It's a tightrope act he failed at but overall the film was still good for a myriad of other reasons, one of those reason is ironically the same as it's flaws. The premise is both a negative and a positive.

I'm not that guy. Sorry if I may have mislead you.
Here's every post I've made so far.

Also since I'm not bothering to watch this shit
>320 million pairs of scissors
What's the deal with the scissors?

>glaring thing
that varies and is entirely left to the viewer and i'm not turning my brain off, when i find a contrivance or plot hole i am momentarily detracted but not autistic enough to harp on it unwilling to let the good elements of the film pull me back in.

jesus fucking christ

Thats because youre willing to overlook it because you want the movie to be good. Just say that. You want the movie to be good so you will focus on everything good going for it. Its absolutely okay to say that. Whats shitty is thinking that ‘autistically harping’ about a pretty big plot hole is not deserved at all. Again, why must the bar be set so low that you are mocked for pointing out huge contrivances in the plot? This shouldnt affect you at all, btw, if all those ‘good elements’ can ‘pull you back in’. Its just that it sets a bad precedent of letting filmmakers get away with things like this because the audience can forgive you for it.

Doppelgangers kill people by stabbing them with scissors.

Also, as Mike from RLM pointed out:
"Hey, how the fuck did the government know who the main characters were gonna marry and have the same kids?"

That's just how the ehite puts the black man down baka

ALSO HOW DO DOPPELGANGERS EXIST EXPLAIN THAT BLACK MAN

Okay, I'll bite. Why?

>trying to reason with fanatics

>because you want the movie to be good. Just say that.
well thats presumptuous and insulting, i can easily say that you just want the film to be bad. No one is denying the existence or rather the lack of internal logistics within the premise. But autist like yourself will right off a film completely because of it because you just want it to be bad, so you overlook everything else in the film. Audiences have always forgiven films for glaring flaws before, it all depends on how well everything else is and how much the good outweighs the bad but it seems in your mind that is simply "wanting something to be good" where as anyone with a fucking brain would call it looking at the whole picture.

da gubbamint made em

Why scissors specifically though? Is there some sort of specific reason why they use scissors? Why are there millions of scissors?

>Thats because youre willing to overlook it because you want the movie to be good.
You're nitpicking because you want the movie to be bad.

Metaphor. They are cutting the Tether.

Whoa, so deep.

I remember when RLM made fun of Mother! for being nothing but one giant metaphor. Why does this shit heap get a pass?

Do you realize that "metaphors" are shit if they're not contextual?

>"There's 300 million people that bludgeon you with giant ceramic dicks."
>"Why the giant ceramic dicks? Where do they find them? Do they have vulgar sculptures hanging around? The doppelganger factory also makes sculptures?"
>"It's a metaphor."

because it's not.

I wasn't implying it was a good metaphor. It doesn't get any better when they hold up the fucking paper dolls. When I think of a tether, I think of a weak ass paper doll, not something strong like a bungee cord.
It's not what? What is not? I don't understand.

The problem is that the director tries to rationalize the absurd and gives a half assed explanation. Had Peel just left it alone with no explanation at all I would have been more then fine with the world they he built.

I have no personal stake in the film, so why would i want it to be bad? Plus, forgiving a confirmed flawed film because in the ‘bigger picture’ its good outweighs the bad? This is subjective, but in the case of Us, which built its premise on a very flawed and shaky foundation, its bad outweighs the good. You can cite all the ‘good elements’ all you want, but once the main premise itself is noticed that all falls apart. How can you care about the situation the characters are in if theres such a low effort put into how the world was built? People can like flawed films, but they can also call out bullshit like this. People like you, on the other hand, who forgive what you have already admitted is a ‘glaring flaw’ are part of what’s killing cinema. Its like you have a personal stake in it being a good film, rather than objectively judging it based on what it actually is.

>the logistics of how 320m clones survived is harder to believe than 320m clones themselves

it's not a giant metaphor, the subtext is not on the nose or hamfisted.

youtube.com/watch?v=4U53UnFL1Ug
Haven't you been paying any attention? There is no subtext.

it's an allegory on self vs public self and the class war in america.

>pointing out major flaws is now nitpicking
I can understand if its some minor thing, but really? How is this nitpicking? Youre not gonna ask me to “just turn your brain off” or “enjoy it for what it is” right? I can understand if this is some b-movie schlock made by a literal who, but whats actually frustrating is Peele has moments of actual talent. Now anyone who points out anything wrong with the film is ‘just nitpicking’.

When literally the entire rest of the movie is rooted in a reality we know and understand, it becomes bery difficult to suspend your disbelief

You cant just mimmick real life to a tee, not set up any rules or anything and say oh yeah we're hyper unbelievable sci fi now

It was the same shit with get out. The movie was slowly building, some slighty somewhat silly yet somewhat grounded stuff about hypnosis and suggestion and then BOOM BRAIN SURUERGY TO REPLACE SOMEONE ELSES BRAIN WITH YOUR BRAIN BUT THEIR PSYCHE IS STILL LOCKED IN THEIR BODY SOMEHOW OBSERVING THE ENTIRE THING WHILE YOU ACTUALLY PILOT THE BODY BYE

I'm afraid to ask... what class war?

i dunno why people are sperging out, literally the only common criticism i've seen of this movie is that it falls apart in the third act when peele attempts to explain the logistics of where the clones came from, why they exist, etc. it seems to be the only problem people agree on but if you looked at this thread you'd think no one but /pol/ thought about these issues.

No, it's a horror movie about a home invasion that has a shitty "they were clones" twist at the end.
Upper class vs Upper Middle Class, but also Both vs Slave Caste (Nonexistent in US). Upper Class has cool boats, Upper Middle Class has slightly less cool boats, and Slave Caste is made up of Government Clones that have a soul bond with their original verisons and survive solely on a diet of rabbits that are also clones.

No such thing but i assume he means poor people upset at rich people because they're too fucking stupid to not churn out children they cant support thus they are never able to get their shit together

Mr. Dink is truly the greatest oppressor of this generation.

Truly a dark world we live in.

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this is from the same board that helped push dumb shit like pizzagate and "George Soros is ___" conspiracy theories like you're all /pol/ or something.

would it kill you to watch a cam rip of a movie before sperging about it like a retard.

Where do you think I'm getting my information from, buddy?

And peele is from the same segment of society that pushed the Russia collusion conspiracy theory based on “the piss tape”

The switcheroo tweeest was completely unnecessary. In fact, it actively undermines a good bit if what he was going for in my opinion.

What does R. Kelly have to do with the conspiracy in Russia? Is that what the next part of Trapped in the Closet is about?

Why the fuck do they have to explain everything these days? Don't they understand storytelling anymore? It's clear that the main thing about fantasy / horror storytelling is to give the viewer enough fodder so that he can make shit up in his head. Writers were humble enough to understand that anything you write won't be as good as the inner worldbuilding of the viewer.
Why does there have to be a "big reveal" where everything is explained. Why do you have to explain where the fucking alien comes from and who made it and why? I don't give a shit I just want to see these people dealing with a scary alien.
Jesus Christ WHY. I fucking swear I am NEVER going to explain shit. You will NEVER get an explanation from me about where the fucking magic crystals come from.

from threads talking about it pal.

this the film shat itself when it was trying to explain shit, no doubt to appease normies and retards in this very thread.

Based

Lupita was really hot in this.

>get attacked by your exact duplicate
>wake up chained to a bed with some shackles your 7yo self has because reasons
>surrounded by retards that clearly aren't normal people
>take escalator back to the surface?
>nah, better stay underground eating raw rabbit and plotting your revenge for a couple of decades

Guys do you know what the biggest plothole in this movie was?

Once OG Adelaide had her cuffs off, why didn't she just return to the surface world? It was literally round the corner and up an escalator.

Oh shit, serves me right for not reading the whole thread before replying

How come Get Out was such a hit and nobody seemingly gives a shit about this movie? Is Peele's formula of taking short Twilight Zone episodes and stretching them into feature length with a dash of muh race already worn thin?

no that's not how it works, a movie can be fantasy, sci-fi, horror, whatever, it still has to play by its own rules and make some sense in its own universe

This movie is making shit tonnes of money, user. Look it up.

On a scale from 1-10, how "BLaK PEEPle" is this movie?

>I didn't see anyone complaining about the 500 so yhorror movies about being possessed by le devil not being realistic
Because there aren't any major logistic problems there, the plot is straight forward.

You can break down the ridiculousness in just about any supernatural horror movie world. Only reason people are even over-analyzing Us is because of Jordan Peele. Had this a been regular Spring horror movie done by some no name director, no one would be discussing this.

Nah it's because it's REALLY popular. Any movie that makes crazy money gets analysed. IDK why you're trying to imply otherwise.

Should have kept this limited to a town, kinda like Edgar Wright's The World End. Would've been way more believable and logical.

The movie fell off a fucking cliff with the exposition dump in the tunnels.

And the hands across America thing doesn’t add much IMO so it should have been limited to just clones in the general area

You're fucking autistic

Bingo. Fuck everyone who's obsessed with muh logical worldbuilding, and that includes Peele.

>I can't believe Reddit Plebbit Memeia fell for this
It's hard to fathom from such cinephiles as Mike the capeshit lover and Jay the pretentious trash fan

While her clone was receiving therapy to act like a normal human girl, maybe she was receiving "therapy" to act more like a Tethered. So she couldn't attempt to escape because of the extra attention she was receiving, and, like her counterpart, eventually just learned to exist in her current circumstances.

Got a friend who went to see it, said I dont watch anything with that director as hes a racist, she lold and said itll be good.

Few hours later she told me it was wank and I was right because the 2 movies of his she has seen, are both shite.

I miss when RLM actually took a shit on movies. Now they're clearly being paid off or they toned it down for other reasons and they went into self-referential humor. I don't watch them anymore and every time I am disappointed by how lukewarm they are about things.

Nah, dude. The premise is full of holes. Huge, truck-sized ones. I’d mock any story this poorly constructed. I’ve done it multiple times.

peele stop using that single tear blank face look

>demonic possession
Hello time traveller! The far future may be a scary thing for someone from the medieval ages, but rest assured that scary things like demons have long since been understood to be nothing more than treatable mental sickness. Enjoy your stay in 2019!

i thought we all suppose to be dumb with superheroes movies, not horror. unless you are saying this particular horror is dumb horror. that is horrible for well respected nig... oh.

>death camps
Yeah typhus is a bitch, innit?

>I demand that everyone adhere to my untennable doctrinal materialism

So you admit it is merely a dumb horror movie?

Why are you talking like a Twitter roastie?

>320 million doppelgangers somehow being kept secretly underground
Yes
>eating billions of rabbits
Yes
>somehow attaining 320 million jumpsuits and 320 million pairs of scissors
I assume they got them from the jumpsuit and scissor storage area. This wasn't relevant to the story so it wasn't further explained
>and somehow no one has ever found them
Apparently not, although the protag did when she was younger and the story was about her. Maybe someone else did but that would probably be a different story
>or no employees or anyone has ever said anything
Maybe, again if it would it doesn't seem to pertain to this story.
>Just the sheer size of the whole operarion (sic) is just dumb.
Well, thats subjective and also the success and/or reasoning behind the operation didn't seem to be central to the story

Is that helpful, user? You'll get story comprehension someday

>I refuse to believe in the validity of modern science

It's a cheap way to farm (You)s, and the harvest was bad this year

>You'll get story comprehension someday
>he says after proving he has none of his own
weird post

>not thinking shes insanely hot

she looks like a blackfaced reese witherspoon on speed, palpably radiating madness

>Enter into movie blind, expecting a somewhat thoughtful examination of violence and overcoming our baser, violent nature
>nah, everyone’s just instantly as ruthless and violent as the need to be
Fucking lol. Check brain at door.

>>nah, everyone’s just instantly as ruthless and violent as the need to be
To be fair...

Kek

SAY IT

If he won’t I will.

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SAY IT

Is it just me or the niggers that have been acting in recent years are getting darker? Those dark niggers make me uncomfortable, there's something unsettling about them. Like that negress whose name is some generic ooga booga name, Lupita something who was in 12 years a nigger.

>check brain at the door
>buzzfeed type comedian turned """"director"""""' nigger makes a movie
>ever expecting brains

dark american niggers are either 20th century immigrants from africa or the carribean or they're the niggers whose ancestors were so ugly that none of their masters wanted to rape them.

Funny you said "BuzzFeed type comedian"
Jordan Peele's (((wife's))) brother owns BuzzFeed.

Listen wyboi. This movie was not made for you. Okay? Next.

*PANT* *PANT* IN SPITE OF *HUFF* BEING ONLY *PANT* 13 PERCENT *HUFF HUFF* OF THE *PANT* POPULATION *HUFF* *PANT*

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>moonlight better than us
Congratulations you just disqualified yourself from the debate. People with such retarded opinions are obviously just too low iq for a film such as us.yeah peele explained too much but who gives a fuck. Just look past that and try not to take everything so fucking literal. You do know what methapors, allegories and symbolism mean right?

>the entire premise of a story is not central to the story
okay, anything you say...

The statistics only prove that our justice system and the law making and law enforcement procedures overly target blacks.

Oh, I get it, you are autistic, in the bad way

I respectfully disagree. They prove that poor, overcrowded, urban environments are conducive to producing violent, low-empathy malcontents with no respect for either rules or authority.

I DONT MAKE THE RULES I DONT MAKE THE RULES THE RULES ARE THE RULES AND BLACKS BRAKE THEM HOW AHRD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND

If it were one family, or one neighborhood, or one town, I'd believe the government was cloning them as a way to subvert a strategic point. You don't clone an entire NATION. The logistics are unbelievable and stupid.

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THIS! why do blacks always choose to live in urban areas? Is it just because of hip hop? They are the worst

But then you wouldnt have the sweet "Birth of a nation" reference. Don't you get the subtle social referential commentary?

>blacks do violent crime more
>"law enforcement and law making and justice system is targetting blacks unfairly~"
OK, violence is no longer illegal.
>"Stop lynching blacks you white guys!"

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>Watched RLM review
>Gonna make a thread with the critAUTISM they mocked
>Everything wrong with Us, *ding*
>Everyone gets triggered
You are so predictable, is reddit really that bad? like, i'm gonna be pissed if i check it and there's actually some film discussion, i'll have wasted my time in this nonsense site

If it were smaller scale, the movie could end with some visual cues that the clones are going to do the next town over in a year with fast, EZ-Bake™ clones, and this is a looming threat on all of America; Your town could be next! But that's not how they chose to go. And the entire premise fails as a result.

>be mega-funded, black-bag government experiment in mind control
>abandon project as a failure
>Wipe the evidence?
>”Nah, bro. Just leave them down here with full access to all our shit, rabbits, and easy access to the surface. What could go wrong lol?”

The funhouse should have been a Bradbury-esque magical device. The ending could have been the carnival barker(the Devil?) packing up and heading on to the next town.

>Looks at any country with a black population
>Turns out they commit the majority of crime there too
>Looks at anywhere in Africa
>It's a crimeridden shithole

So you're saying there's a large conspiracy against blacks and it's been ongoing for literally tens of thousands of years? Maybe blacks just commit more crime because they didn't evolve the same as whites, but still try to live under their rules. Sort of like thinking a lion will act like a house cat because they're both felines.

Us?! More like (((they))).

>gets called out on being retarded
>resorts to insults because he has no argument

Pottery

>When Mike knows he can't say "Just turn off your brain" so he just kind of says not to think about plot holes
lmao

no, BUT not making sense and having a shitty premise can make a bad movie

It depends on the tone and the premise. See, Peele started out acting as if he wanted to give us a straight-up horror movie, not a surrealistic allegorical tale. He tried to make that transition, that juxtaposition of the banal and the surreal like Lynch so often and so effortlessly does. He failed at it because his story starts too grounded and his surreal components are actively averse to the overtly supernatural. Instead of supernatural horror that would have been far more appropriate for the subject at hand, he opted to go with the pseudo-scientific explanation, thus keeping us, his audience, in too grounded a space to ignore the gaping holes in the premise.

Araonofsky made this same mistake in “mother!” only in reverse. He gave us an overtly surreal premise, but then kept forgetting that an allegory only ever really works if the characters serving as representations of such things as God or Mother Earth aren’t demonstrably really those things.

For some reason the original girl visited the doppelganger when she danced ballet and did nothing.

Peele is half (((they))) and half n***** :)

Yeah, this movie made no sense, even by horror movie standards. Well directed, but writing was garbage.

Wait I get the whole "literally the entire country is a laboratory that has copies of every single person". but did they really just eat rabbits? You know that would kill you, right? You can't eat rabbit meat as your primary source of protein, "rabbit starvation" is a real thing.

Also
>Did the doppelgangers have sex when the people had sex? And get pregnant when they did?
>Who delivers doppelganger babies? Doppelganger doctors?
>Do the doppelgangers copy the people on the surface's motions, except when they're driving or flying in a plane or something? What about when they go to a restaurant? Is there an underground restaurant where all other patrons are doppelgangers of people in the building where the real people are?
>What about at work? Do doppelgangers have jobs?
>Who does maintenance on the tunnels and stuff? Is there a secret contractor company?

the Jordan Peterson diet

why would anyone double their nigger population?

written by the guy who won an Oscar for best screenplay last year

What if I get attacked by a wild beast, or bitten by a snake or something? Will my doppelganger have to roleplay all that? How will he manage to do that?
What if I decided to fuck a dog?

Holy shit. I’m fucking dying.

What if you said the n word?

I love that the trolling on this board is people pretending to believe that seeing flaws in a movie or not just turning your brain off and drooling for a few hours makes you an "autistic nitpicker who just wants the movies to be bad".

Yeah I'm fucking sick of it. made this thread 14 hours ago and it's just been people calling me racist and autistic

This conversation is starting to remind me of this song.

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What if I get cancer? What if I get hit by a car? What if I commit suicide? What if I kill someone else? Is there now just a doppelganger that has no purpose in life?

Also what about orphan doppelgangers? Do they also want to kill and take over?

Also, who approves the funding for this? Is it a government or a private organization? Where does the money come from? Is there literally no one in the entire country who's like "Hey uh...there's like trillions of dollars of uncredited earmarks vanishing into thin air. Anyone know where that money went?"

Also do any of the underground tunnels collapse? Surely like fracking or something might screw with the plan? Or like an earthquake? What about a gas leak?

Also, do doppelgangers have rights? Where do they fall on the SJW spectrum? Are white doppelgangers also racist? Can doppelgangers rape doppelgangers? In fact, are they all just down there raping and murdering eachother, but they all know that they're just doppelgangers so they're like "Hey Frank, guess it's time I shoot you. No hard feelings yeah?"

Also what about doppelgangers of pedophiles? Does that mean there's literally government-sanctioned rape of little kids happening just below the surface of the ground?

Also can doppelgangers have their own violent or sexual proclivities?

the lead actress is so black its gross

Every bit of this is why a supernatural explanation or no explanation at all would have been a vast improvement.

Good stuff.
And what about emigrants? What would their doppelgangers do? Would they be looked down by other doppelgangers? And then they would wish to become real doppelgangers and have their own little replacement conspiracy?

Right, I agree. When you worldbuild, you have to tread the line between what is expressed and what is just left to the imagination. It's why when you have a "supernatural" killer, they can just show up without warning or move around as the script needs. How can the killer do that? We don't know. Because explaining it ruins the telling of the story.

The problem here is, Peele wants to explain it. He wants to explain EVERYTHING. And that changes the equation because you can't just explain all this shit and try and make it work in it's logic, but leave all the other supporting details out. If you answer questions the viewer never asked, all it does is create more questions.

The problem here is, this isn't how horror works. Horror relies on keeping tension, which relies on keeping the audience off balance. And when you start expositing worldbuilding detail, you allow the viewer to start gaining a foothold which balances them. But if your explanation just raises more questions then they're no longer experiencing tension, they're experiencing frustration.

It's much more effective to give hints, or to convince viewers that they don't want answers because the answers are just as scary as not knowing. But that requires much better writing.

>implying he didn't win because he's a nig nog

Same. If this only affected the one family then the movie would be good. But obviously it went off the rails rowards the end. Good dance fight though.

I saw an ad with a quote calling Us "The best horror movie ever made".

I've never seen so much spin for a movie.

>muh movie realism

you have autism

No they put Tessa Thompson in movies to troll us. Lupita is pretty (nice cheekbones, symmetrical features) and most importantly, very talented.

There isn’t any other actress that could’ve played Adelaide/Red as well as she did.

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You may think I’m meme in general here, but Peele is turning into the real-life subtle joke in the David Pumpkins skit from SNL.

youtu.be/rS00xWnqwvI

The joke underlying this skit isn’t the dancing, the music, or Tom Hanks pulling goofy faces, it’s that the people behind the scenes totally misunderstood how fear of the unknown works. The people aren’t scared of David Pumpkins, they’re bewildered by him. This is where Peele’s movies fail. He answers all the wrong questions, then leaves us with questions that don’t scare us, just frustrate us, that insult our intelligence.

>Brain transplants
>Government mind control

Handled well, both of those can be scary. He did a better job of it with “Get Out,” but only just barely. He needs to learn to drop bullshit pseudo-scientific explanations for everything, because he’s not smart or creative enough to make them work.

>needing an explanation for that
brainlet can't even watch movies without getting confused

Hereditary is 100% better than “Us”. People are really going to say this film is better than The Thing, Alien, The Exorcist, Rosemaries Baby, The Wicker Man, The Shining, Carrie, Psycho? Just to name a few. Yeah no, it’s not.

The problem isn't realism. It's not being consistent with the rules of the universe the film is set in. Even when you are dealing with fantasy and sci-fi the rules set in the universe have to be consistent.

Just turn your brain off dude

>Lupita is pretty
>that pic
It's okay if you are into that, but please don't try to push your perversions as a norm. I like really narrow eyes on Asians, but I have no illusions about their lack of conventional beauty.

I doesn’t even crack my top 50, maybe not even my top 100. I watched some zombie movie called “Contracted” on STARZ or something the other day, and it was easily ten times the movie “Us” is. For one thing, it’s message isn’t muddled. It’s a horrifying premise that holds together in precisely every way “Us” doesn’t.

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I think that's a decent summary of part of the problem.

And bear in mind, the thing a lot of people miss is that writing real horror is FUCKING HARD, and there's a lot of paths one can take. When you talk about the "unknown" aspect and fear therein, you're referring to things that the audience has to imagine answers to, and those answers have to have implications that are even worse than what is presented.

Example: You are in your house and you get attacked by someone who looks exactly like you. That's scary. But who is this person? Where did they come from? Why attack you here and now? If left to imagine an answer, I can come up with things that have way more creepy or terrifying implications than if I know "Well, they just sort of exist for some unknown reason in a lab."

But more importantly, instead of just conceiving a more frightening potential answer, I have to use the details I'm given to piece together what answers are likely true or not, and the broader implications of what this means for the world being built.

If you say "Everyone has an evil clone." then...yeah ok. I guess now everyone just waits to be murdered and that's that? Or there's a war when this info comes out? Or something?

But OP isn't "needing an explanation". That's what the film says. That is the info we are given.

The explanation would be why is this the case? Who does this, and to what end? And how has no one realized it before?

I'm going to see this later with a girl

What will I think of it

"I should've picked a better movie. Then I might be getting laid right now."

It's not set in stone, user. I wanted to go to Alita but there was only one showing all day.

Thats the plot of the Island and Clonus:/The parts horror

A lot of really good horror has to do with how well it resonates with a real-life fear that serves as an allegorical stand-in for. Like in , the zombie virus is essentially a stand-in for an STD and the shame of date rape, and it works amazingly well. The MC is in denial, ashamed, losing friends, alienating loved ones, all while still trying to pretend that nothing’s wrong.

I don’t think Peele could decide what real-life counterpart his doppelgängers were stand-ins for, so they never really achieve much in the way of resonance with the audience, or at least with me. They’re just near-mindless, inarticulate hulks. Think how much more terrifying they would have been if they had been acting on thoughts and impulses their “uppers” actually had, effectively being a physical manifestation of the id, Mr. Hydes to everyone’s Jekyll, doing unspeakable things, voicing thoughts that their counterparts are ashamed of ever even having.

>. Think how much more terrifying they would have been if they had been acting on thoughts and impulses their “uppers” actually had, effectively being a physical manifestation of the id, Mr. Hydes to everyone’s Jekyll, doing unspeakable things
This is, ironically, a point that a decent movie 1408 does, though only in a small way. It plays with the same trope of a doppelganger, in part, but to trick the main character's wife while he is helpless to watch.

Of course, this boils down to a larger issue in horror as a genre; Audience sophistication and genre-savvy ruins a lot of basic concepts, and it forces writers to reach out and mix in genres and concepts to otherwise generic slasher movies in hopes of finding ingredients that balance together.

If Jordan Peele wants to be high-concept, I think he needs to better figure out what horror really is at it's roots instead of just "Well doppelgangers are kinda scary, right? Ok let's write a script.". Because if by the end of the film no one can really say what is supposed to be the scary part, then you're not accomplishing much. More specifically, what fear are you pulling on? Fear of death? Fear of replacement? Fear of loss of identity?

I think the problem with "Us" is that the "fear" it wants to play with is surface-level, and it's more concerned with subtext and having setup/payoff moments than really hammering any tone or resonating chord.

Nailed it. I absolutely couldn’t agree with you more.

>People looking at the movie so literally

When did this place turn into fucking Cinema Sins

Why did the main families shadows not instantly kill their counterparts?
Everyone else gets killed as quick as possible.

Why did the white families shadows instantly kill their counterparts but then play with the black family?

If the shadows are just normal people but clone tethers why did the kid run fast as heck like a superhuman. Why did the girl laugh instead of cry.

Why was the kid able to control his tether into the fire but then they never used it again. (I thought they were going to show the main character use it during the classroom scene but she didnt)

Why did the main character's shadow (or human heh) not just kill the shadow in the classroom. She had multiple chances and just toyed around for no reason like a tropey villain.

>j-just turn your brain off bro!
big fucking difference between becoming Cinema sins and looking for basic fucking logic in a movie

Because the film invited us to. What CinemaSins does is actively picks at things the movies aren’t actively calling attention to, this one does. And it does it for no good reason. It’s like the director himself couldn’t be satisfied without an explanation, no matter how lazy, and we’re pointing out how it diminished a film that could have been far better.

The twist is odd. I don't give a shit that the human version of the protagonist was swapped and "lost" because we spent all of the film with the protagonist who happens to be a shadow. The family never knew the human version of her so they shouldn't give a shit either. Just the parents should care but the audience shouldn't.

This plus the fact that the twist is very telegraphed makes me think we are supposed to feel this way maybe?

It's not about turning your brain off retard, it's about understanding cinema and the message it's getting across.

Cinema isn't science, it's art, it's not supposed to be stripped down and deconstructed in that way, it's supposed to get across a message and a vision of the Director.

Pointing out "hurr durr how do da logistics work" shows a complete lack of understanding of the medium.

I legit didn’t see any point to the twist. “Adelaide” stole “Red’s” life, yet we’re supposed to root for her? There was no fallout from the revelation, no consequences. Fucking why?

Art is routinely analyzed and critiqued. That’s what you’re seeing here. If it chafes your ass, find some salve.

Because it shows that they are fundamentally the same.

It's not "being born a tether" that makes those people crazy and evil, it's the conditions they are raised in.

We assume the Red is that way because that's what they are like, but really that Red is a normal person who was raised in the Tether world from the age of ~7.

Meanwhile the Tether was raised in the normal world and was able to function and live like a normal human being.

The point is, the underclass aren't just born as lesser, it's the conditions they are raised in and experiences they suffer through that make them that way.

Just because you can't figure out the meaning doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Nope. Got every bit of that. Stealing someone else’s life still isn’t right, no matter what your circumstances are. “Red” was a blameless child, the Abel to “Adelaide’s” Cain, yet she goes unavenged and unmourned because she’s the unhinged scary voice lady. It’s tone-deaf as fuck.

It's never at any point stated to the viewer whether it's right or wrong, i'm simply stating the purpose behind the "twist", it DOES serve a point.

If you consider that a point, it was one the whole movie spent telegraphing. To no ultimate effect. And delivered in a flashback that neither character should need. They were both there, and the one most likely to forget it would have been the one delivering it - the one who had been traumatized.

Up until that twist, it's entirely plausable to believe that the tethers are simply born that way, murderous, psychotic, unable to speak properly.

That twist shows they are able to grow and live as normal people, it's just the circumstances of their lives that turned them that way.

yeah, what the fuck would happen if I flew to France? What would the doppleganger do? Just die? lmao shit movie

Yeah, but so what? It's sort of a non-point considering that the "civilized" one takes her double's place in the world by force, holds onto it by force, and never suffers a moment's remorse about it. She never tries to reason with her or beg her forgiveness. It's as if the point he was driving at is totally undermined by the fact that "Adelaide" learned to speak but never learned to feel any empathy for the woman whose life she usurped.

>liberals on Yea Forums

Enjoy the ride, it never ends.

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