Watch this, about 5 episodes in

If we do not start getting better, then all that is left is war. If history is any indicator, when a country or population degenerates morally to such a high degree, it always ends in mass wars and countries being destroyed.

I can't even begin to imagine how the fuck you make anything in the Late Republic era without including fucking Cato or Cicero

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based

but don't worry, they gave a lot of attention to the """"""""exploits"""""""" and """"""accomplishments"""""" of Servilia.

Just watch Spartacus, Rome and I Clavdivs again.

>>Caesar KNEELING before Ptolemy, and being frightend after Ptolemy presents Pompey's head

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>that image
>that can't be real
>it's real

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Question everything on Netflix. It's a liberal disinformation center.

If this is what it takes...

Please tell none of this actually happens, right?

>tfw we'll never have rome kino again

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I think you're just another drama queen, user.

>most expensive tv show at its time
>battle of alesia shown as bunch of closeups
ree

you realize hes talking about Ptolemy XIII right?

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will we ever get a historically accurate depiction of ancient rome or greece on television or film?

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How did you manage to watch more than one episode? I wanted to hate watch it but I just couldn't. It was way too bad.

>>later Pompey threatens Crassus with A GLADIUS IN THE FUCKING POMERIUM IN THE CITY OF ROME
damn, it's that bad huh?

No.

Rome's the closest you'll get and it's more historically authentic than accurate. Still great though.
To think what the show could've been if the budget had been bigger and they were given more seasons.

City of Rome was sacred land
also that never happen

It was supposed to last all the way up to the death of Christ. I often wonder how that season would have turned out

It's not even close to the worst Rome show on tv

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Does it have any good tits and where can I find them?

What are some good YouTube channels where I can learn about Roman history, Yea Forums?

Historia Civilis. All other answers are objectively wrong.

>Historia Civilis
>The Fall of Rome
>Dr Raoul McLaughlin
>Metatron
I'd say maybe Invicta, but I'd take what they say with a grain of salt given some of their videos are rather poorly researched and not explicitly corrected.

cops kill suicidal kids all the time in America. It's an actual problem but reactionary daddyloving faggots that love cops for no reason just shriek BLUE LIBES MATTER if anyone talks about it.

>needing youtube to spoonfeed you Rome
>not reading books
I dont even lurk Yea Forums but go read what people who have spent their entire adult lifes researching say

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Extra Credits is shit, isn't it?

>The Fall of Rome
Just started watching this dood, his lack of subs is criminal. Historia Civilis is based, Metatron would be interesting but I cannot get more than 10 seconds into a video before the cringe hits. "Hello noble ones! :DDDDDD"

Who cares as long as it's coming from a reputable source and or well researched? I love Roman history, but even I have a hard time getting through books as opposed to something more digestible like a video.

>Gay cartoons, gay robot voice, overly dramatic script, rewrite history to modern cultural norms
Stopped watching when they did an episode on the US Merchant Marine and talked about men AND women. More ships cats died than roasties. The only thing they are worse at than history is game design, imagine having an entire channel dedicated to advice on the vidya industry whilst being total failures in the field.

I've watched a few of their videos, but I'm not sure how well researched they are. Seems more like surface level stuff for a younger audience.
Yeah, man. The Fall of Rome guy's pretty good. Plus he actually makes corrections if he finds out he got something wrong. You should definitely check out Raoul McLaughlin. He's a historian that specializes in the roman economy and trade.

the uniforms are wrong as well

Have you read anything by Mary Beard? I believe she has some books on Roman's day to day life that look interesting.

>I have a hard time getting through books

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BASED 2020s

how so
i need to know what late republic uniforms were because of reasons, help

>based Pullo wrecking shit, laying enemies by dozens, all by himself
>PULLO GET BACK MUH FORMAHSUN MUH PHALLANX
what was Vorenus thinking?

lel, stfu you nerd

I remember at one point they claim Servilia was one of the most important people in the story and hyped her up as some Livia analogue.
Even though she’s only referenced once in the sources as Cato’s sister whoring herself out to Caesar. But I guess if any woman’s name crosses the pages of history, regardless of context must be important.

Read Goldsworthy’s Caesar. I’ve got ADHD and struggle to read and even that was entertaining enough to get through

Don't forget it also has a professor say that Crassus died from having molten gold poured into his mouth. They present that story as fact.

That’s not even how the story goes. The Parthians cut his head off then filled it with gold.
They literally ripped off the story of Mithradates doing the gold thing to some Roman official 50 years before this period. Lmao

>roman legionnaires wearing lorica segmentata
Good. This is the ONLY kinographic armor for romans

it didn't happen in the show?

I think the uniforms are fairly accurate. Usually in roman shows every soldier wears lorica segmentata, even though that armor was rare.

No Lorica Hamata in Gaul.

Idc about it really, I think military history is for faggots and fat wannabe soldiers. There are a million things "inaccurate" in the show (especially the time line before Cesar arrives in Rome). Not that I care, I still watch it once a year but one should not assume it's accurate.
>inb4 I, Claudius
Just parrots senatorial propaganda and ignores historical research (something that Rome doesn't). The same applies here, inaccurate but highly enjoyable.
>inb4 some faggot quoting Suetonius without applying the historical critical methody established 160 years ago to read those texts

In what way? They're wearing Lorica Hamata which is accurate for the late republic.

source on dem curvy elf sloots?

>No Lorica Hamata in Gaul
Source for this? Caesar's campaign in Gaul was post Maurian reforms. I.E. every soldier likely would've been given lorica hamata as standard gear.

>no lorica hamata in gaul
What? What armor did they wear then? And dont say lorica segmentata

Men in the past didn't have porn and anime and video games to sap all their energy and keep them pliant though. If our ancestors had to deal with a quarter of the bullshit we tolerate they'd have already killed every politician and merchant they could get their hands on. Day of the rope is never coming, you faggots are too busy memeing and fortniting and hot gluing your megumi figurines

>Rating the edgefest soap opera by the guy who went on to make Gotham over I Claudius.

I Claudius evokes ancient Rome more effectively without setting a foot outside of the palace arena and imperial residences.

Overwrought and played out I am guessing.

Can someone recc a good book for a general history of Rome? I'm interested now. No pop history please, although I'd prefer something engagingly written.

Rubicon
covers from the start of Romulus to the beginning of Augustus within 500 pages

Plutarch + Livy

you've obviously never heard of peter connolly's extensive illustrative works on roman armors and you should seriously fuck off

Shit was years ago but I believe to have been told that there is not depiction of any legionary wearing the lorica hamata from Gaul but only in Lorica Squamata. In case there more thing "wrong" in that scene". For example no whistles have been found on battlefields, only in Roman fortresses. So the whistle parts is sort of a stretched conjecture.

You pull on your rope most days don't you /pol/tard? Or perhaps you follow the mystical tenets that pour from Gavin's McAnus and can only yank it when he says it's okay?

Tom Holland is pophistory.
If you want some stuff on the general history that is not pop I recommend cambridge.org/core/series/cambridge-ancient-history/010C506409EE858277F898C129759025
They are readily available online.

If you want something that literally won the Nobel prize read Theodor Mommsen (obviously dated).

Also generally I'd recommend Symes Roman Revolution and Winterlings Caligula.

Primary sources first is a meme. You need tools to read them.

Thats why you get a good annotated translation

Lorica squamata was definitely worn at the time, but it was not as common as hamata. Mail was the easiest to produce and maintain. I think trajans arch portrays all his legionaries with squamata, but that was a stylistic choice.

Any netflix bingo? Gay and interracial couples? Anything about refugees?

Thanks brehs. I just watched two vids of Historia Civilis and it's excellent.

Cool. I'd prefer something single-volume, but that might be impossible with a subject as expansive as Rome. I'll probably check out Moomsen first.

lol those guys are like "hey wait a minute caesar was not a nigger somethings fishy going on...." lmao

>not being obsessed with ancient rome
Ultimate sign of a shitskin or a brainlet

I prefer medieval history myself, but it's so deeply rooted in Roman history that it's impossible to ignore.

It doesn't say Gaius Julius Caesar so perhaps it's about some other guy from that family. Sextus Julius Caesar Niger Africanus perhaps.

K but those are fucking hard reads if you actually sit down and work your way through it.

It's basically a bunch of retarded descendents of barbarians squabbling over land and the specifics of Christianity for 1000+ years. Petrarch rediscovering Cicero's letters was one of the things that drug western civilization out of that nasty rut

So is any academic textbook. At leat Plutarch is fun to read

>if any woman’s name crosses the pages of history, regardless of context must be important.
I like the roman approach of never mentioning your mother in either good or bad or neutral respect. Women simply should never be considered in meaningful adult conversation.

librivox.org/famous-men-of-rome-by-john-h-haaren-and-a-b-poland/

This is a good bedtime story listen with decent vocalists.

>zoomers
>reading books
user, I...

>>but the best part is Pompey KNEELING before Ptolemy in his throne room. A CONSUL OF ROME KNEELING BEFORE A FUCKING FOREIGN KING OF A CLIENT STATE
>Caesar KNEELING before Ptolemy, and being frightend after Ptolemy presents Pompey's head
All the other shit was meh but this was really absurd.

Are those tank spikes in 7?

Seething incel detected

Mary Beard is pop history and extremely whack.

I think I'll rewatch Rome and Spartacus.

Why are there no ancient Greek kinos?

>Primary sources first is a meme. You need tools to read them.
t.somebody who hasn't read either of them

>this is the queen of /his/

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Does /his/ really rate her? I don't go there since they're like bizarro /pol/ from what I can see, mosty unironic communists. She sucks so fucking bad though, and it's not like a lot of historians aren't leftists already, why would they pick a lightweight like Beard?

itt gaywads

Fuck.

nice anti-/his/ propaganda faggot

I was really asking, I don't go to /his/.

/his/ is garbage. It’s literally all political and racial shitflinging, with way too much focus on WW2 and the ACW.

Most historical shows only get popular by horribly raping of their source material. Rome and Spartacus especially. Look, the Romans weren't fucking americans; they were their own people of intricate customs and a culture so foreign that any proper depiction would leave any viewer lost and confused.

The thing about ancient Greece is that it doesn't exist. The hellenic societies varied to such a degree that you might as well include Han culture in Rome. Shit like 300 and Troy is such a colossal and unpreceded rape that it might as well be about aliens.

>muh ww2
See, I knew you were a butthurt faggot.

At least 300 doesn't aspire to be high brow.

Prove me wrong

Does anything?

have sex

You're a bitch dude

>roman empire
>character is blonde
sure thing, rizzo

Not much when it comes to period pieces, unfortunately.

A CONSOLE OF ROME

Were all the Romans portrayed as black?

>textbook
I named some very well written books already. Mommsen for example.
>Plutarch
I despise his writing. Fucking tangents again and again ugh.
Yeah, try again. It's not a lot but for certain subjects, like Sparta, I literally ready every single thing there is. Even fragments of Byzantines copyists from the 13th century.
this
sadly, no.

SNEEDO FORMATION

I think you are wrong, outside of the way they viewed sex and their extremelly superstitious behavior I don't think the way they behaved is that far removed from something that would be palatable to regular people. If you read Cicero's letters it's almost freaky how relatable his feelings are.

based, romans were a bunch of pussies compared to the chad goths and vandals

>thinking emotions are historical constants.

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Y2.02k is gonna happen

THIRTEEN

For some reason people don't want to treat history with any degree of dignity. It was just shitting and fucking and going to war and eating slop and fucking and murdering children and fucking.

Like I don't think the people of that era saw themselves that way. Oral tradition means a lot has been lost to us, but what we can read suggests people who dreamed and considered themselves so much more than they were. Much like we do today. But you never see that on TV. Because it's uncomfortable to be reminded that 2000 years is basically no time at all.

Yeah, feelings are relateable because we're biologically the same as those people. But the way people act couldn't be more different.

Roman consuls kneeled before no one.

I've read this book and I think it is evidence of what I said, that Roman behavior and culture wasn't something that would be extremely alien to us considering it is the baseline for all subsequent western cultures

almost literally all of the Egyiptian rulers were Ptolemys

You did not read that book.

>no police
>polytheistic
>no diffefference between social, political and religious subsystems
>etc
I give that it's closer to us then Medieval societies in that it was a non-christian urban culture but it's still fucking weird.

Plus Egypt was a literal fucking subject of Rome.

If only you knew how retarded this comment sounds to people who actually know things. You should save it and read it to yourself after you've gotten smarter.

You are a fucking idiot if you think Ancient Rome was so le whacky and bizarre that an accurate depiction of it couldn't be filmed for a modern audience. And yes, I have read much more than you on the subject including that book.

Redpill me on major differences of social behaviour, or link me somewhere where I can read about it. I think it's more fascinating to think how the common life was back then instead of reading about emperors and the glory they attained.

>Redpill

Are you retarded? There's no clear "this is what Rome was like" cheatsheet but rather many scholars arguing different views.

And none of them are "Roman were just like us guys!" Stop embarassing yourself.

I've read a ton on it and it's always cool to see how many similarities there are between us, of course the midwit pseudohistorian neets in this thread will keep pretending I'm a fucking moron for saying "Ancient Rome wasn't a literal alien planet and many of the ideas they had about society was passed down through time"

It's so funny when brainlets with reading comprehension problems think they are smart because they watch some YouTube videos on Roman culture. I never said they were just like us you fucking retard, I said "extremely alien" is a stretch and there are many parallels between their customs and ours. You are literally uneducated as fuck if you think that is wrong

>Roman culture wasn't the baseline for successive cultures in the West
>Rome was literally an alien planet and its culture was so le whacky that we couldn't even comprehend it
Damn... really makes me think...

calm down gentlemen

Nothing sadder than a man trying to strawman his way out of being called stupid.

Who ever said "extremely alien?" The only thing extremely alien here is your retardation, and you've yet to disprove that.

>Are you retarded? There's no clear "this is what Rome was like" cheatsheet but rather many scholars arguing different views.
Well how about someone's opinion then?

it's gonna get even worse

My only argument was that the following isn't true
>Look, the Romans weren't fucking americans; they were their own people of intricate customs and a culture so foreign that any proper depiction would leave any viewer lost and confused
Roman culture may have been very different than ours but there are enough similarities that it wouldn't come across as something an average viewer would be lost and confused by. Learn to read the fucking thread before being aggressively autistic

Stay mad autist. Modern understanding of romans will come from Gladiator and Netflix and there's nothing you can do about it.

>acts like an expert
>keeps calling them "legionnaires" instead of legionaries

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>Philomela (whose tongue was cut out)
>Elizabeth Warren (who was told to sit down)
Lol

You haven't tho. It directly contradicts what you are saying.
>This epilogue explores the uniquely Roman ethical concept of wholeness (integritas), the term that gives its name to the modern concept of “integrity”. It shows how the ancient concept differs from the modern in being less concerned with notions of inwardness, autonomy, and authenticity, and more concerned with a kind of “baseline” or “threshold” ethical soundness, of the sort that would be displayed by someone who correctly experienced the emotions studied in the books earlier chapters.

The biggest difference is the ubiquitous social stratification of society and the "mixing" of what we would consider different systems (religion and state). Winterlings Caligula paints a pretty good picture on why pre-modern societies and communications were vastly different from modernity. This is quite obvious by the almost impossible to translate terms like imperium, honores or res publica.

Of course people ate, took bribes, got drunk ets. But in that sense no culture is alien to modernity. I would even argue that the symbolic proximity of Roman culture (Latin words, Eagles, Coins etc.) obstruct the differences.

> it wouldn't come across as something an average viewer would be lost and confused b
Then it would not be accurate.

>Look, the Romans weren't fucking americans
All the actors in Rome are British. And they weren't that alien in the way they thought, we have their books and speeches as evidence of that.

>and the "mixing" of what we would consider different systems (religion and state)
Tons of countries still do this even today. Church and state are separate in the US but that's not the case everywhere else.

They aren't alien to modern humans but *nglos are not human
>*nglos

Oh shit! Their idea of integrity was different then ours and they weren't so inwardly obsessed with their feelings!? Unfilmable! How can anyone relate with people who don't have judeo Christian values! Only super smart autists on Yea Forums could truly appreciate an accurate historical depiction! It would just be too confusing for the rest of our small brains!

But what happens when all that goes away? Have you noticed our financial system is a very precarious situation based entirely on debt? The markets will crash, the US dollar will tank and then its shtf time

>Learn to read the fucking thread before being aggressively autistic

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have sex

Let's stop fighting!

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Fuck off, faggot.

This image would be a lot better with some actual explanation as to why Britannia's version was the worst.

>the way people act couldn’t be more different
Idk isn’t there a bunch of places with ancient graffiti where Roman soldiers wrote shit like “I fucked ur mom” on walls?

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>Historia Civilis
Been on this for the last three hours. Cheers for the rec.

I was thinking of making a meme where the caption is "when someone eats all the m&ms and raisins out of the trail mix" and the picture was of kasich from the first repub debate saying "this is just nuts"

NO way dude ancient Romans walked around on their hands instead of feet and ate shit instead of food. It was literally spoopy doopy backwards land and only learned historians can understand how they truly behaved.

mike duncans history of rome podcast. Its more rome than any one man needs, but he definitely deserves. its on youtube

>>Caesar KNEELING before Ptolemy, and being frightend after Ptolemy presents Pompey's head
Look at the fucking state of you.

game of thrones on acid

several boards, /his/ Yea Forums Yea Forums etc, have been completely taken over by the left

Was that seriously a suggestion that some sort of unfair patriarchal influence kept Hillary out of office? Gender politics aside surely it was just common sense being that she's a literal fucking war criminal. The fuck is wrong with these people?

Rate them.

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IN A WORLD

have sex

Republic circa Punic Wars was soulful, the Marian reforms removed the soul.

It's fucking ridiculous to believe Caesar nor Pompey would bend the knee to a child. Pfft whatever man

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Nothing like a rack of plumbata and some darts on a Friday after work.

1st Century: Soul
Everything after: Soulless

40%

Scutum with lorica segmentata takes the cake

That the legion only works as heavy infantry with incredible discipline and use of formations to utterly wreck every single foe.

Livy is an absolute faggot who should be treated as a fanfiction character

The entire story of the foundation of rome up to it's sack by brennic is literally made up bullshit because they got blown the fuck out so bad they lost their real history.

Dan Carlin’s hardcore history fall of the republic

>Caesar smugly observes a bunch of ded Gauls
>doesn't look directly at the camera and say weeni weedi weeci

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>Yea Forums
>taken over by the left

Every other second someone posts an Evola thread dude. It's not as on-the-nose as "gas the jews, race war now" though I guess.

You...just........know

Does that mean Rome was KANGZ?

Imagining the Romans using the sound of W in place of V literally makes me want to die. I really hope historians are wrong about that one.

The market won't do shit as money isn't based on physical worth but is magicked into existence (read Modern Money Mechanics) and the vast majority of it doesn't even exist on paper and isn't even backed by the assumption of any physical wealth. The entire economy is basically a huge clusterfuck of broken rules and the pretense that they mean anything in the first place. What happened when the US hit the limit for national debt? They went over, it kept wracking up, and nothing happened. Shit will never hit the fan due to a financial crisis because the entire system of money is bullshit and the three families that own the West's money, media, and governments are exactly where they want to be. All that's going to happen at this point is continued socio-political pressure to further erode personal freedoms which may well result in some form of civil war but most likely won't, because freedoms are being eroded slowly enough that by the time people reach breaking point they won't have a leg to stand on or a means to organise. As an Englishman it pains me to say it but the fact is the US will very likely become the last bastion of hope for liberty in the West -because as good as they've got it Switzerland aren't going to do shit- but shit's getting pretty bad even over there with the youth being indoctrinated into this communist way of thinking by the education system and actually cheering for the erosion of human rights provided only that they aren't their own. I stoutly believe that if a push back happens it will begin in Texas.

But yeah, don't worry about money, they quite literally make it up as they go along. If anything, worry about Islam. You can point and laugh now but I promise it'll be on your doorstep before long and if you lose the fight against this war for political correctness over logic it won't take long before shit really does hit the fan.

Use your words.

Late 3rd and 4th to 5th century are the most aesthetic.

More like "we wuz ruled by KANGZ"

>not speaking bong as a first language

Killed the language for me too, made learning it a complete waste of time

>legionnaire is french, genius

How do you pronounce the difference between V and W?

teeth touch upper lip for v

>Church and state
>Separate
>In the US
>My fucking sides

Id stab him to

Oh right. Not sure why I had such trouple pronouncing weeni weedi weeci. Strange.

Based

Every politician claims the bible informs their governance, but in reality Christianity is losing its influence in America more and more with each passing day.

Not him, but don't you do that "swear on the bible" shit in court?

Or is that just a meme they do in movies?

Fuck I'm retarded. I meant front teeth touch bottom lip.

A quick google search tells me it's totally optional, or you can use whatever holy book you want.

i think you can swear on whatever you want now

beides drecks sprachen die man nicht kennen muss

Fair enough.

>?
>he's from another century

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Holy shit, the weaponized autism on this dude.

>pulls out Heart of the Pride: Fur, Lust & Magic Book 1

I am more worried about you, and how you are shitting up this thread with your shitty shitposting.

I am sure you do much the same in your immediate environment and whichever web anime convention you can actually waddle to, aided by motorised scooter.

I don't see any moslem posters here shitting up Yea Forums. Just you /pol/tard, as per usual.

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And yet there are enough mouthbreather boomer conservatards left to put an absolute shitlord like Trump in control of the bomb.

I didn't know mocking brainlets was a sign of autism

>he thinks shit ever really changes
Hahahahhaha
No

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This image is not appropriate for advertiser friendly 4channel, chap.