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Solid Snake is now a Guatemalan manlet
Tyler Long
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Justin Lewis
shouldn't a covert ops guy who frequently crawls through vents and hides in boxes be slight of build?
Jayden Carter
Snake is a clone of a mercenary who specialised in close quarters combat and was renowned around the world for his skill. But he's also half Japanese, so I guess he'd be average height.
Asher Cooper
Being 5'8 isnt a manlet you prick
Chase Hall
He is 6'1''. This nigga is 5'7''
Carter Sanchez
>6'1
Yeah, average height.
Josiah Gomez
in Guatemala maybe
Lincoln King
this is what manlets actually believe
if you go to an american college campus 6' is easily average among young men and you will get towered
Ryder Davis
>6'
>Average
What college do you go to, the lollypop guild?
Nathan White
well, educated people (besides asians) are taller than the average
I'm 6'1 and see people taller than me more often in university than in the street
Alexander Edwards
Should have gone with Kurt Russel's kid. Too bad, another needless adaptation I won't bother to watch.
Christian Ortiz
the surfer bro looking guy from black mirror? lol no
Evan Hill
How big is his dick?
Hunter Fisher
Half japanese? I fucking hate it when retards who don't know what they are talking about try to weigh in on shit like meta gear.
Kill yourself.
Jackson Jackson
>people who attend an institution are taller than those who do not
>smarter people taller
The absolute state of universities these days.
Isaiah Bennett
>if you go to an american college campus 6' is easily average among young men
We're talking about college today?
4' is the average today. All the onions drinkers bring it down so far.
Daniel Peterson
more like Solid Mosquito amirite?
Owen Ramirez
He did a decent job imitating his dad in overlord. But if you can't have Kurt in his prime there's no apt replacement.
Kevin White
>Using the process of somatic cell nuclear transfer, eight clone embryos were created by inserting Big Boss's DNA into enucleated egg cells, donated by a healthy Japanese woman.
You fucking idiot.
Leo Peterson
Manlet detected
Eli Cook
Snake is a clone of the baby The Boss and Big Boss had. It was called the le infant terrible program after the child they had. The child looked like Paz and thats why Liquid had a feminine accent.
I fucking hate when people dont know Metal Gear lore
Owen Campbell
In 1972, EVA volunteered to serve as a surrogate mother for the Les Enfants Terribles project designed to clone Big Boss and maintain his image as an icon for the organization. She was originally implanted with eight clone fetuses, though six were intentionally aborted in order to encourage stronger growth in the remaining two. EVA later gave birth to the clones who would become known as Solid Snake and Liquid Snake. Despite the fact that Big Boss disapproved and left the group to form his own private military company in opposition to Zero's methods, EVA saw the clones as her own children but left the Patriots in support of Big Boss.
Kill yourself
The boss and Snake had a baby? Wtflmao.
>child looked like paz
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
Ian Watson
The only way I'm watching this is if they cast David hayter.
Gavin Jackson
That makes sense to me.
I'm a 5'10 manlet, and my father is 5'7. He did awful in High School and joined the Military, and I went to college for one semester, NEET'd for a bit, and am now in Community College. Being a manlet is hard on the soul. I am also an incel, of course, and my dad was only able to marry and have kids because it was a different time and he's enough of a manlet where he was forced to develop a personality, whereas I am just depressed that I'm not a tall Chad.
Owen Russell
Yeah, when I think grizzled black ops soldier I think that soi chugging faggot Hayter.
Gavin Martin
Are you retarded? Eva was a surrogate. The eggs were donated by a Japanese woman.
"Using the process of somatic cell nuclear transfer, eight clone embryos were created by inserting Big Boss's DNA into enucleated egg cells, donated by a healthy Japanese woman.[8] By utilizing the Super Baby Method, the embryos were then implanted into the womb of a surrogate mother with six of the babies eventually being aborted to promote growth in the remaining two. "
Just stop.
Angel Price
Fucking hell just cast Henry Cavill and be done with it.
Owen Baker
is asian manlet acceptable
Andrew Anderson
He fits though. It will work kind of like how tiny manlet Tom Cruise fooled people into thinking he can be a secret agent or fighter pilot.
Oscar Isaac has the face and acting chops to pull off the role, which is really all you need. Height has never been important in Hollywood.
Isaiah Robinson
what did i miss?
Jordan Wright
Snaked was like 5'10, so although a 5'7 isn't ideal, it's not as bad as a 5'7 cast as character meant to be massive. Not a fan of Isaacs for the role though.
Connor Rodriguez
>I'm a 5'10 manlet
Actually no, your perfectly normal. Infact most women find tall guys intimidating. The amount of women that have told me good things come in small packages is unreal.
Keep trying brother.
Levi King
Have you seen what he actually looks like
Robert Richardson
>or fighter pilot.
you do realize fighter pilots are manlets right? lmao bro, you think they make cockpits for 6 foot 5 dudes?
Gabriel Perry
>if you go to an american college campus
No thanks
Joshua Rivera
Hey retard!, do you know how cloning works? Jesus christ you're fucking stupid. Raven only alludes to his japanese heritage but he isn't genetically japanese.
Nicholas Gray
>Infact most women find tall guys intimidating.
Please, telling me blatant lies won't help me.
Gabriel Campbell
Not guy but this has to be fucking bait, especially because of that stupid small packages line. Sure, a lot of tall guys past at 6'3 and over can be gangly and weird but a 6'0-6'3 guy that is handsome and in shape will trump a 5'10 in shape handsome guy.
Dylan Cooper
What's the fucking point? Who okayed this? Konami?
Connor Evans
>genetically japanese
But i was told genetics are a social construct. Its why anyone can be english or french
Asher Walker
OK, so you're just baiting. Either that or you understand DNA about as well as Kojima did.
Para-Medic's lab assistant, a Jap woman, donated eggs which were injected with Big Boss DNA and implanted into Eva's womb. Snake is genetically half Japanese because his biological mother is Japanese. He even brings it up once or twice.
So I'm going to assume you're baiting me and I'll stop responding to you.
Isaiah Evans
Too big.
Juan Sanchez
Can his brother act?
Cameron Phillips
>eight clone embryos were created by inserting Big Boss's DNA into enucleated egg cells
>clone embryos
>CLONE
>EMBRYOS
Enucleation means none of the cell replication was coded by Japanese DNA. He is literally a clone, you fucking humanities cuck
Nolan Wood
>No link, no source, no nothing in the entire thread
This website is retarded
Connor Kelly
I'm a height and looks-conscious lookism fag and I attend a heavily white and highly related UK university and am 5'10. So with my height-consciousness in mind, I do end up feeling average when walking about the place. Taller than plenty, same height as plenty, plenty slightly taller, and manlet and lanklet outliers. I've hit up sports societies you think would exclusively be populated by 6'3 guys at minimum but I've never really felt out of place or some tiny freak.
James Walker
>women find tall guys intimidating
This level of manlet cope is truly staggering.
Jaxon Roberts
>t. oscar isaac
Dominic Gonzalez
formerly a fancy German
Levi Morales
Imagine being the brother of superman. Id change my last name. Christ
Kayden Cooper
No he doesn't bring it up AT ALL. Noone does, except a reference by raven in a boss fight, HE IS A FUCKING CLONE, the egg literally does not matter because THE GENETIC MATERIAL WAS ALTERED TO BE 100% BIG BOSSES YOU FUCKING RETARD
Again kill yourself, or learn some basic biology.
Jason Thompson
Fuck, he wouldn't be half bad from a looks perspective.
Nathan Reed
>Her egg cells were used for the cloning experiment that created Solid Snake and Liquid Snake, thus making her one of the twins' biological parents, due to their inheritance of her mitochondrial DNA.
>Being a somatic cell clone of Big Boss, Solid Snake inherited mitochondrial DNA from the Japanese egg donor of "Les Enfants Terribles," later demonstrating some awareness of this heritage
I'm just going to assume you're retarded.
Robert Anderson
6' is 84th percentile for a male in America
Dominic Perez
I didn't say too tall. Oscar Isaac is way off as far as casting goes. Cavill is just a bulky and muscular dude compared to Solid Snake.
Owen Thomas
tom cruise could play snake. height is a non factor in movies you can make anyone look 10 feet tall
Luis Phillips
>mitochondrial DNA
lol, he inherited no japanese traits beyond being in one of her eggs, considering that they heavily modified the embryos to house Big Boss's DNA. Why would they waste all that money in the project if they would be half chink?
Oliver Bailey
>"buhhh user his biological mother is Japanese"
No, he's a clone. His biological mother is Big Boss' mother, because he is genetically identical to big boss. His surrogate mother that brought him to term, including providing the original egg cell *structure*, was Japanese, which makes his Japanese ancestry one cell wall's worth of lipids that were probably broken down by birth.
Matthew Price
The counterargument to that is that it includes old folk and non-whites. Also, you sure that graph doesn't include women too considering 160cm is listed as average?
Landon Clark
Just adapt MGS4.
Owen Peterson
I'm kind of torn. Sometimes I think a huge tall bf would be nice, other times I think I'd rather someone my height.
I like legs, especially long hairy legs, so I guess a tall guy would be ideal. But being able to kiss someone without bending your neck would be nice too. And walking hand in hand would be more comfortable with someone my own height.
Andrew Sanchez
Manlets make the best soldiers
Brayden James
Because that story would make total sense for anyone who hadn't played the games.
Christian Phillips
He'd drop the weight, dipshit. He drops the weight he has on films naturally anyhow. He'd become lean but muscular easily with all these trailers and that being his specific goal.
Nathan Peterson
>mother is grandmother
what
Cameron Gutierrez
>genetically Japanese
>b-but he doesn't have squinty eyes so he can't be!
Just stop.
>His surrogate mother that brought him to term, including providing the original egg cell *structure*, was Japanese
His surrogate mother was Eva, his biological mother was Japanese.
You have no idea at all what you're talking about.
Kevin Flores
It should be Scott Adkins.
Jace Peterson
Wrong. In the 80s there were restrictions because of the ejection seat. If you were too light the seat could kill you. If you were too short you wouldn't be able to see out of the cockpit properly. Those restrictions have been eased somewhat now, but tiny manlets are still prohibited in many cases.
The F35 had a weight restriction prohibiting skinny manlets from flying the plane because of the weight of the helmet and the ejection seat combo could break a manlets neck.
Ideal pilot size is 6'0. And even today if you're 5'3 you can never be a fighter pilot.
Yes they make the cockpit for 6'5 dudes. But 6'6 would be too tall.
Zachary Richardson
>t. tranny who has never held hands with anyone
Height makes literally no difference when it comes to holding hands. If he's tall he just moves slightly away from you.
Colton Nelson
kojima based his look in the game around tom cruise
Lucas Wood
Could work
Jason Bennett
hey bee
Matthew Long
You mean the shit one? If they ever make these games into films there will be a lot of streamlining and cuts and changes, and one of the changes I want is Liquid actually surviving, not this bullshit about possessing Ocelot or Ocelot convincing himself he's Liquid. That shit robbed Snake's 'LIQUID!' scream of rage in MGS4 and that whole final fight of most of its power considering Snakes wasn't really fighting and directing his rage and anger at the real Liquid.
Ethan Lopez
Try to understood how stupid it would actually be for Snake to be half japanese, then in guns of the patriots solidus was a 100% match for Big Boss's DNA.
YOU ARE RETARDED
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
Eli Nguyen
>brown person as SS
nah
Joseph Gonzalez
>Oscar Isaac is way off as far as casting goes.
No he isnt. Isaac can easily play that role.
Jacob Campbell
Nah he's a manlet who isn't even 1/10th as handsome as Snake. Also he acts like a faggot, seen him in triple frontier?
What a gay.
Joseph Hill
They literally have the same skin color.
Justin Davis
This. The only person to have the necessary skills in all departments.
Angel Jenkins
>that spic-jew
>white
Lol
Noah Phillips
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
Brayden Wood
George was a much later clone made using a slightly different method. David and Eli were created as semi-clones and made to express different traits, but Solidus was a purely identical genetic copy made to be controlled. It's why he aged much faster, as a failsafe in-case he freed himself from control.
Solidus is not the same as Snake and Liquid. Snake and Liquid are more like children than clones.
Dylan Allen
Fuck secondaries
Easton Sullivan
snake looks like a tanned white guy, isaac looks south american/middle eastern
Grayson Perez
Thank christ for this graph. It proves that this hyper aggressive 6'4 real man meme is bullshit.
My gf is 5'3, im 5'7 and she thinks im pretty damn special. I love her. Pic proves im not that short visually
Zachary Adams
>elite killer special forces badass
>cries at seeing teenagers with guns
>NO MORE KILLING
is this real
Jason James
I'm sorry dude you are retarded yet again, because in Guns of The Patriots Snake's DNA is like a 98% match for Big Boss's. So that 2 percent is gook DNA?
Fucking kek
Robert Williams
orange and red (white guy). no. not even close
Henry Torres
Because this post didn't come across as either desperate or a LARP at all. When can we throw sub-6'4 men into the camps?
Ayden Powell
>But i was told genetics are a social construct.
You were not, you were told ethnic groups are a social construct you dumb autist
Brayden Myers
>98% match
>so that other 2% is gook DNA
Yes. They manipulated their DNA to get the closer to Big Boss, but they still have Japanese DNA from the mother's egg. You really don't understand genetics, do you? I bet you thought the whole "dominant and recessive traits" thing was real, didn't you?
Connor Nguyen
Handsome? Ha! If ugly ass Daniel Craig can pull off Bond then surely Isaac can pull of Solid Snake.
Oscar is a handsome gent. No issue there. And he's a great actor, which is the most important piece of all of this.
Henry Cavill, as some people have suggested for the role, is a really bad actor - laughably bad. He only gets cast in movies for his looks.
Jaxon Jackson
No you don't understand genetics clearly. Post your degree in biology or shut the fuck up lol. You already lost the argument. Also, he was purposefully designed to not be a 100% complete clone, but he is still literally 98% big boss.
Noah Ward
Other than the ears, he does have a classical handsome look. I think it's the face that he's not tall and not white that makes some REEEE over any suggestion he's anything but subhuman trash that must be take down a peg or two.
Colton Green
More americans will identify with him
Austin Torres
You sound like a fucking faggot dude.
Ew. Also Oscar is a moron.
Liam King
I always felt Solid Snake was a relatively shorter guy, just under 6'. I cant imagine him towering over people, hell most of his enemies towered over him and he'd still whoop their ass.
Ayden Murphy
You guys are butthurt. Oscar Isaac has white skin. Cope.
Grayson Perry
GAAAYYYYYYYY as fuck!
Adrian Murphy
Not even remotely true, 6' is a pretty standard tall height, but in everyday public you definitely are outmatched by shorter everyone
Noah Nelson
Obligatory also 6'0"
Jacob James
fantasy/fan boy casting threads should be banned
Aaron Scott
only brendan shaub can play snake
Chase Martinez
>Eukaryotic cells contain two distinct genomes. One is located in the nucleus (nDNA) and is transmitted in a mendelian fashion, whereas the other is located in mitochondria (mtDNA) and is transmitted by maternal inheritance. Cloning of mammals typically has been achieved via nuclear transfer, in which a donor somatic cell is fused by electoporation with a recipient enucleated oocyte. During this whole-cell electrofusion, nDNA as well as mtDNA ought to be transferred to the oocyte. Thus, the cloned progeny should harbour mtDNAs from both the donor and recipient cytoplasms, resulting in heteroplasmy. Although the confirmation of nuclear transfer has been established using somatic cell-specific nDNA markers, no similar analysis of the mtDNA genotype has been reported. We report here the origin of the mtDNA in Dolly, the first animal cloned from an established adult somatic cell line, and in nine other nuclear transfer-derived sheep generated from fetal cells. The mtDNA of each of the ten nuclear-transfer sheep was derived exclusively from recipient enucleated oocytes, with no detectable contribution from the respective somatic donor cells. Thus, although these ten sheep are authentic nuclear clones, they are in fact genetic chimaeras, containing somatic cell-derived nuclear DNA but oocyte-derived mtDNA.
Both wrong. It appears snake is a chimera. He's not "half-Japanese" and will have no Japanese phenotypic traits, but he has 100% Japanese mtDNA and susceptibility to the mtDNA diseases unique to it.
Jackson Ortiz
Learn to "cope" with being an complete and utter waste of human resources. Like honestly, how can you even sit there typing away such assine comments with a sense of smug superiority when you know full well it's just an ironic facade to masquerade your blatant shortcomings as a person.
Did you fuck up in high school user? Did someone bully you to turn you into to such a whiney, whispy shitskin that you feel the need to post such sad comments on an image board? Is it because you were in the cool kid group but knew you didn't belong so you painfully tried to act as though you were one despite secretly being a full fledged homosexual?
Then you realize that a girl you liked fucked your best friend and now you can't help but think about the past and what could've been if you hadn't been such a sperg? Like the time she sat next to you and you tried asking her out on her facebook wall? Well did you!? YOU FUCKING DUMB SHIT.
Well guess what, she's gone and now you'll be alone, playing video games forever even though you don't like them and searching omegle /r9K/ tags just you can engage in human conversation because Yea Forums's anonymity just doesn't do it for you anymore whilst you cry yourself to sleep at 3am in the morning.
Go fuck yourself nerd.
Ryder Hughes
He is confirmed as being 1.78cm (5'10) in 1999 (when Shadow Moses takes place). Given the scenarios Snake is placed in, 5'10 is probably more ideal than 6'3. Surely it's easier to be stealthier at that whilst also being able to handle yourself way better against enemies than a 5'7?
Parker Nelson
Tom Hardy.
Liam Gonzalez
So Snake is genetically Japanese and American.
Camden Rogers
he's not even close to passing, can tell he's non white straight away
Brayden Garcia
He wouldve been a fine casting for Snake in his 20s or even 30s but he looks too soft now, even for an Old Big Boss cameo, Hayter would need to fit up a bit
Andrew Cruz
Although, to be fair, Snake is confirmed as 5'10 in some obscure game manual and the height fluctuates from 5'10 to 6'0 to 5'11, so whatever.
Logan Myers
Like Konami has made any sane decisions in the past few years
Gabriel Gray
Me on the left
David Roberts
>genetically American
For fuck sake, user. Probably Jap and some English/Irish/German concoction.
Ian Roberts
If you were german and had a fraternal twin who was half Japanese, and absorbed him in the womb, despite being genetically 100% german, you would have chimeral DNA that was Japanese that you wouldn't notice until trying to get an organ donation or a rare disease appears.
Hunter Turner
Also used Mel Gibson for Solid
and Sean Connery for Big Boss
Henry James
His face is too goofy. Needs to be more handsome and serious along the lines of Oscar Isaac and Solid Snake.
Cameron Ramirez
>small packages
kek
Adrian Butler
that half jap thing is just a cope they invented because they made another white main character
they give him literally no hapa features
Jacob Young
No you fucking retard he is neither, but he is is genetically Big Boss and was altered to be such, and Big Boss is literally American. You can't be a fucking clone and be half japanese.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
>no hapa features
he's under 6'0
Landon Clark
AHAHAHAHAHA this faggot is still going
What a queer. Oscar Isaac will never play snake. End of story.
Thomas Howard
>Kojima revealed in a Metal Gear Solid 3 commentary that The Boss' appearance was based on the the English actress Charlotte Rampling
Good taste.
Jose Russell
>educated people (besides asians) are taller than the average
Literaly any idiot can get a student loan from the government for feminist dance therapy or some other bullshit like the social sciences.
William Lewis
>hapa
This is a racist term, please no
Owen Price
That half-Jap shit was confirmed in like 2008, long before the unhinged pushes for diversity, race swapping, gender swapping, etc. But breeds can look like one or a different ethnicity, like Keanu Reevs, or a half Indian half white guy I know who looks Portuguese
Jayden Fisher
The half Jap thing was intentionally meant to link the character to Japan, but without inherting any japanese traits or real genetics. He's white.
Matthew Mitchell
That's just because of facial features, not skin color. If you put Isaac's skin color on Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt would still look 100% white.
Jayden Foster
Robert Pattinson.
Joshua Sullivan
As usual it’s a bait thread, duh. It’s just a casting rumor.
Evan Bell
There are prerequisites to getting into college, and that list only grows longer and more demanding the higher ranked the college. Those schools have more students from rich backgrounds as they can afford schools that are very, very conducive to obtaining top grades
Dominic Anderson
>nobody asked for a source
Bentley Campbell
>You can't be a fucking clone and be half japanese.
Unless your mother's doner egg was Japanese, and you have Japanese DNA.
Adam Adams
>wh*toids btfo
based
John King
Not bad. Pattison would have made a good Feyd-Rautha when younger too.
Grayson Wilson
I think Snake being half Japanese is just a Japanese thing. Lots of characters in anime and such that are "half Japanese" look totally white. I think Japs like to make even their foreign characters Japanese, maybe it makes them more comfortable to think of them as Japs.
Landon Baker
HEY RETARD, they modified and controlled the DNA of the clones. The Japanese egg was a vessel. Pay attention next time when they explain the process.
Nolan Martin
Whats that gotta do with height
Nicholas Parker
A more extreme example is of sub-Saharan Africans that are albino and pale as a sheet of paper still clearly being sub-Saharan Africans.
Jonathan Cooper
These niggas arguing over genetics in Metal Gear when Kojima doesn't even know what dominant and recessive genes are but still built the whole plot around them lmao
Elijah Evans
There was a chart with race and height and basically 40% of white non-Hispanic males between 20-39 were more 180cm tall. It’s the same thing for blacks, when you get Asian and Hispanic it goes down.
Nolan Cook
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NUCLEAR AND MITOCHONDRIAL DNA? I CAN'T TELL BECAUSE I HAVE HYPERHYDROSIS AND SKIPPED THE CUTSCENES IN GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS
Ryder Cox
I’m only 5’11” but I only date taller girls now for similar reasons. It’s so nice not to have to bend down to kiss and to have our body parts actually match up when we’re dancing.
Jayden Green
Has this ever been the premise for a House episode?
Jeremiah Foster
Way above average even for Dinaric Apls (which is taller than Dutch)
Anthony Bailey
>inhereted his mother's mitochondrial DNA
So we'll just ignore this part and pretend mitochondria don't exist. Snake is 100% pure american blood, no gook blood in there no sir. His mother's egg was actually an American egg the Patriots secretly planted in her ovaries so they could have a purely American clone.
Just accept that Kojima is an idiot and Snake being half Japanese is a fact but doesn't really make much sense given his physical traits.
Like how Ocelot is half Russian but doesn't physically show any of the inbred Eurasian Russian genetic traits. He looks purebred European American.
Jaxon Harris
Nigga the dominant and recessive was a metaphor if you actually payed attention. Solid snake was literally made to have more of Big Boss's traits than Liquid, it had nothing to do with having a dominant gene that makes you shoot better. Pay attention next time.
Liam Evans
>6' average
>Muttmeruca
Gabriel Murphy
Stupidest post in this thread goes to
Easton Cook
I actually think Isaac is a good actor. I am excited for him to be Snake.
Ethan Scott
At least he's not black
Henry Sanchez
Learn genetics, or basic cloning processes. They Dolly Lamb is a big case. Once you figure out how it works, you would know it would be retarded to call someone japanese just because their embryo which had non of the japanese mothers traits but housed the clones.
Learn something.
Hudson Morgan
they should stay true to the source and find a hapa
Josiah Ramirez
What will be the story though, since the franchise is an absolute mess at this point?
Michael Wright
he's as tall as a jap. i take no real issue with this. i will take issue with the fact that it will unlikely be a garbage movie for reasons other than casting. i just can't imagine a good movie being made in this day and age so i'll bet money on this one being crap too.
Kayden White
>Genetically American
Kek.
Luke Flores
why is this site so obsessed with height?
Daniel Morgan
Adam Driver is a fugly deformed freak of nature
Aaron Evans
Rumor or not they cant do this please dont make a metal gear movie PLEASE i dont give a shit about everything else
Jose Hall
female users
Wyatt Jenkins
mtDNA is not "the DNA that gives you your mother's traits" user, it's "the self-enclosed part of your cells that are unaffected by sexual reproduction". They don't effect phenotypes. He isn't "half Japanese" in anything approaching a normal sense, he has isolated pockets of minicells probably coming from haplogroups that mostly exist in asia.
Luke Clark
They've already made 5 Metal Gear movies.
Blake Torres
>real science
>having any place in Metal Gear
Kojima wanted Snake to have a connection to Japan. In the same way than Miller is half Japanese but has blonde fucking hair, Snake is half Japanese because his mother was Japanese. Snake has no Japanese traits, but he's at least part Japanese so that jap players can consider him "one of us".
Christian Parker
Nice. Also Christian Bale should get the role.
Ryan Price
a guatemanlet?
Matthew Bennett
Lmfao the royal manlet step.
Jaxon Richardson
read
Kill yourself. Also Miller being half japanese is perfectly fine, his eyes are covered in shades most of the time, people can be half of something and have have the other half be dominant.
Basically, you're a retard.
Gabriel Rogers
Weird as Prince William is 6ft3 and Harry 6ft2.
Harry for the role.
James Stewart
It’s a slow night and the mods have been asleep at the wheel all day
Brandon Carter
>people can be half of something and have have the other half be dominant.
Yeah, not with black hair. That'd be like being half black but having blonde hair.
Yes, and I do know there are small groups of asians and africans that have red or blonde hair naturally, but those are incredily small, obscure races and are not who mothered Kaz.
Jace Bailey
and half of these chicks are 5'3 or shorter
Grayson Roberts
Ok, but kazuhira miller is a fictional character, and we don't know if his mom is actually 100% japanese, only miller knows she is. It's perfectly within the realm of possibility.
Kevin Moore
He's done stupid films similar to the MGS franchise so yeah.
Samuel Morales
>Ok, but kazuhira miller is a fictional character
And Snake isn't?
Metal Gear is anime, user.
Mason Ortiz
He's a sex symbol precisely because he's tall and built.
Jacob Butler
>mitochondrial DNA does not effect hereditable phenotypes
>kill yourself
???
Aaron Hernandez
But Snake IS LITERALLY a clone based on real world principles. If you think mDNA confers actually genetic traits then no matter what the medium the story is in you are a moron. End of story.
Charles Miller
>Implying they would REEEEE at prime Pitt, prime Leo, or prime River Phoenix for being 5'10-5'11 guys. They're vapid cunts shit talking, which is what guys do as well considering they created the manlet meme.
Robert Green
But he's half Japanese in-canon. The same way he has all of Big Boss' "recessive traits".
It's anime.
Ryan Howard
Hey /pol/ incels, did you know Kojima based Solid Snake and Big Boss on Che Guevara? :)
Matthew Allen
The nigger is lazy and indolent
Dominic Wood
He isn't half japanese at all, he was cloned and placed in a japanese embryo. He is not half japanese canonically. If you weren't retarded you would know this, you already lost the argument 4 posts ago.
Nathaniel Lopez
He based Big Boss on Che due to them having similarities philosophically, Big boss was not a commie, but he was a revolutionary. Snake was based on Kurt Russel. Also big boss is literally a villain who needed to be put down so I guess communism sucks :D
Asher Thompson
As long as you're tall and have an okay body, that will often overcome a mediocre face (if your face has character then that's better). Factor in being famous and having money too then you'll be loving it.
Christopher Jones
Luis Hughes
nah, he was heavily pushed and memed into his position. he is a deformed quasimodo just like Cucumbersnatch
Jeremiah White
It's been pretty clearly shown that he has Japanese ancestry, despite being clearly white.
I don't know why you can't understand this. No, he's not 50% Japanese, but he still has Japanese DNA and he's even aware of it.
Jackson Ross
The thread derailed to hell and back over 'he hapa' vs 'no way!' autism.
Kevin Price
Hilarious
Luke Howard
>Implying sex symbol status hinges on looks alone
Driver, and Cumberbatch, has a sex symbol status cause of his height, build, and the roles he has played. You think prime Leo would have been as big as he become had he not played a role in Titanic that fed into a romance fantasy women utterly love?
Josiah Hall
Being 5'8 you are a full 6 inches shorter than me lmao, and I'm a mere king of manlets at a modest height of 6'2
Thomas Miller
No it hasn't ever, Raven talks about him having japanese ancestry, but it's a bait and switch because later on he finds out he is cloned from Big Boss. Again, mDNA does not confer genetic traits, the japanese mother did not give half of her DNA to snake or liquid, she was a non-factor as they were assembled by man to be 100% based on Big Boss.
Fuck man this is boring.
Samuel Perry
>Again, mDNA does not confer genetic traits
Which is why he looks just like Big Boss.
But he has DNA from his Japanese mother.
Charles Roberts
Hes a hack whatd u expect
Lucas Hill
6'2 or 6'3 being claimed as the king of manlets is when you know for certain you're dealing with a shitpost.
Blake Bell
No he doesn't, at all lol. Learn genetics beyond a highschool text book. You are a moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Logan Bennett
>le giant beard, liberal, twitter troll
epic
John Long
Ur little nigger brain is showing
Jose Powell
>he's also half Japanese, so I guess he'd be average height.
>Again, mDNA does not confer genetic traits
Which is why he looks just like Big Boss.
But he has DNA from his Japanese mother.
Which is it, user? It sounds like you got blown the fuck out and realized he's not half Japanese, so are retreating to the "he technically has isolated Japanese DNA strands in their own cell walls" motte
Leo Cox
Star Wars has become so cancerous that it is spreading and ruining other movies it is not affiliated with.
Julian Martinez
Why are we suddenly pretending that Kojima actually understand DNA? Do you know remember the whole "recessive traits" thing?
Kojima says he's half Japanese, despite it making no fucking sense at all. But it's canon.
Just like Miller, the aryan hapa.
Lucas James
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I already talked about this, and you never responded to the counter argument for Miller looking the way he did.
Basically you are a moron moving the goal posts and everyone can see it as plain as day.
Blake Martin
Kojima is a fucking hack.
he is the Quenchin Fartatino of cinematic movie games.
even the music in his interactive walking simulators is plagiarised to hell and back:
youtube.com
The nips, like all asians are slit eyed shits who only know how to steal and copy others' stuff
Wyatt Wright
This is a movie that doesn’t even (and probably won’t) exist and star wars has ruined it
Nathan Collins
Just stop.
Grayson Perry
What's his name?
Liam Nelson
Kek, look man you got blown the fuck out, not only do you know shit about metal gear, you literally don't understand genetics. Fucking NEET lmao
Owen Fisher
kek, MGS lore is so fucking stupid
Kevin Cook
You are acting pathetic user
Nicholas Taylor
big boss is shorter than venom snake. in mgs 4 hes the same height as liquid and he was reconstructed from his own clone. hes 5'10 - 5'11 venom is 6'2-6'3
Luke Carter
He's poorly cast in everything I've seen him in. If he's snake im going to kill myself
Xavier Green
He was just shitposting, that's not what happened at all. kek
Not really, you lost the argument, it's ok man.
Liam Lewis
None of this shit
Evan Flores
You should paste RDJ's face on the manlet.
Luis Cruz
You lost at life user
Daniel Torres
Quads confirm.
Jacob Cox
Nah man, you did. Clearly by the way you argue you are average intelligence at best, that must suck a bit.
Ayden Garcia
>shitposters ruining yet another thread
This is the worst board right now
Julian Russell
It’s been the worst board for years, bro.
Leo Howard
I am smarter than you. That much is clear.
Charles Diaz
Really? Then why can't you actually understand genetics? That's so weird man.
Anthony Allen
At least this thread doesn’t have /pol/tards all over it
Jaxson Perry
Thank God he isn't being played by a nigger or kike
Adam Reed
Excuse me I've been posting nothing but legitimate casting choices for Solid Snake.
Levi Ward
uhhhh most def retard
Sebastian Wilson
I understand genetics just fine user. You, on the other hand.......
Charles Wright
Wait until you see who they cast as Campbell
Ryder Butler
Kek, is that why you literally didn't understand mDNA?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
What a loser lmao.
Dominic Young
Calm down
Grayson Hall
Replying isn't going to erase you getting blown the fuck out.
Chase Miller
No other board is this bad. Even Yea Forums is more organized than us with their porn and facebook ig threads
Colton King
You seem tense. Is everything ok?
Thomas Anderson
5'10 is a based height. Here are some actors of that height.
>Kurt Russell
>Mel Gibson
>Jason Statham
>Matt Damon
>Mike Tyson (he makes movie appearances)
>Jude Law
All of these people are 100% alpha chads. Your height is no excuse
Camden Wilson
Yeah man I'm great, you? Work your brain a little too hard?
Ayden Adams
>replying like a 10 year old Tibia Online player
Yikes!
Blake Jenkins
It's ok, hopefully you figured out a thing or two about genes.
John Lopez
Retarded post, fighter pilots are disproportionally below 6'
Jace Davis
Autist
Henry Evans
You don't seem like it. Like somethings........off?
Caleb Scott
It's ok user, next time you make claims about something science related you can always count on someone calling you out and reminding you of your own stupidity.
Ian Jones
Right but the # of people at 180 is a lot more than 181, which is a lot more than 182, and so on down the list. Some rich and Nordic people will mog 85% of their peers but for the vast majority if you're 175-180 and you wear thick boots you're in the sweet spot of being taller than 9 in 10 women and on par with most of your friends
Bentley Murphy
>enucleated
what is it like being mentally retarded user?
Owen Nelson
youtube.com
Based Bale knows video games are for no-life virgin losers.
Alexander Flores
>But he's also half Japanese, so I guess he'd be average height.
looks 100% european to me
Tyler Cook
>no japanese features
He’s a manlet.
Mason Hill
Jesus fucking christ, hit the gym and buff up that neck if you’re so obsessed with asian masculinity
Luis Baker
Maybe you need to go outside and take a walk?
Christopher Hernandez
Ayden Smith
Based Bale.
Jonathan Thompson
EVA literally brings it up in her monologue with Snake in MGS4. She said Dr. Clark's (Para-Medic) assistant, a Japanese woman, donated her eggs for the procedure.
I know fuck-all about cloning and the nuances behind it, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that as far as the game is concerned, Solid Snake is an imperfect clone of Big Boss, EVA gave birth to him as a surrogate mother, and the eggs implanted in her came from a Japanese lady. Whether that makes him half-Jap or not, you can debate with that other guy.
Lucas Richardson
What a faggot loser. Fuck the dubsman
Mason Collins
You probably think Tom Cruise is tall. Who cares, just make it good. White people play non white roles, I don't care. Non whites play white roles, I don't care.
Asher Richardson
>Pilots have to meet the Air Force’s height, weight and physical conditioning requirements. They must be 64 to 77 inches tall when standing, and 34 to 40 inches tall when sitting. They must weigh 160 to 231 pounds, depending on height. Depending on age, men cannot have more than 20 to 24 percent body fat, while women cannot have more than 28 to 32 percent body fat. Pilots also must be able to complete a minimum number of push-ups and sit-ups and finish a timed 1 ½-mile run.
It's interesting that a 5'4 male would have to weigh at least 160lbs with less than 20% body fat. Almost gigamanlet tier.
Brody Smith
>not picking them choice for solid/liquid
Angel Reyes
Just base him off the fucking character in the game, he's not a manlette in the games.
Jose Scott
No one is mentioning the fact that this spic would also need to play a white british blonde guy with long hair?
Can you imagine him with a fucking blonde wig?
With those iranian eyes?
Stop fooling yourselves, tranny redditors, he's a shitty choice. The true patrician actor for both Solid and Liquid is Channing Tatum
Also MGSV is the WORST METAL GEAR THAT EVER EXISTED and fuck jannies
Wyatt Hill
You fucking neckbeards can stop, Snake wasn't a manlette in the game even if he was half Japanese. Keanau is half jap and he's 6'1.
Hudson James
So are we talking Metal Gear Solid Movie as in Shadow Moses the movie? They are going to have to rewrite a lot if they want this to work. Also the studio is probably going to push him to make a typical Die Hard/Olympus has fallen action first, fuck narrative
Brody Perry
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He is a clone, he is made 100% from Big Boss's DNA, during the fertilization process the mother had nothing to do with it, they were modified to be just like big boss, imperfection or not, he has NO japanese in him, beyond surface mRDNA genetics which confer nothing phenotypically.
Benjamin Stewart
Notice the European features on Snake. Especially the eye shape. Oscars top eyelid is completely exposed (middle eastern/ hispanic trait), while Snakes is completely covered(Northern/Western Euro trait). Skin color isn't even an accurate way to categorize race.
Jeremiah Martin
Bale status.... BTFO
Logan Hernandez
>all these seething mgs fags
MGS fans have got to be the most autistic fan base in the history of video game fandoms
Julian Reyes
the best take on this movie would be assuming the viewer doesn't know Snake is a clone.
you could start the movie with a scene of old Big Boss hiding from someone you can't see (actual Solid Snake) and smoking a cigar.
Viewers would assume that's just a future scene of some kind as next scene is the same person younger (although in this case it's Solid Snake) and you think he's gonna become all evil and shit but theyre not the same person
there's a lot of good things that could be done with this but it's gonna be as the other user said, just another die hard
Kevin Edwards
I don't really feel like reading through this whole thread to find out, but have other people in this thread already cleared up that the snakes aren't actually half Japanese? That'd be great.
Jaxson King
>MGSV is the WORST METAL GEAR THAT EVER EXISTED
James Powell
Sauce on this pasta?
Elijah Williams
Dude, SOLID Snake has the recessive genes.
Grayson Kelly
>hurrr the gameplay is the best!!!!!
>missions are all "destroy this tank"
>3000000000000 square fts of literally NOTHING
>no music except meme cassettes
>no good characters
>no bosses
>terrible story
based! game of the century
Charles Myers
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Ian Mitchell
This, people who say that the gameplay is the best are retarded, they even fucked the CQC up which had reached it's pinnacle in 4.
Landon Smith
>Solid snake was literally made to have more of Big Boss's traits than Liquid,
Wrong
> it had nothing to do with having a dominant gene that makes you shoot better.
Wrong
I don't know if you're just dumb or baiting (because those were really stupid) so I'm going to ignore you.
Elijah Campbell
You have no argument, we already determined that Snake is not half japanese, and you basically confirmed that you literally don't understand MGS1s plot.
That's really sad.
Wyatt Powell
This tbqh. At 6'1 I really was king of the manlets in college surrounded by 6'5+ Nords and Zulus and their 5'8 chinese pets
Zachary Reyes
Let me take a guess. You didn't play MGS4 right? They literally explain this.
Daniel Garcia
Dude was great in overlord, not a big name yet tho, id be down to see him as Ocelot tho
David Gonzalez
>Big Boss grew 12cm between beginning of the series to the end, and he wasn't even a clone. Solid Snake is currently 5'11.5" or 182cm, Liquid is 6'0" or 183 cm, Big boss is 6'3" or 192 cm, Solidus as a guess is 6'2.5" or 189 cm, to compare only Solid is not 6' but very close.
Oscar Isaac height
>1,74 m
Connor Hall
Not that guy, but it's simultaneously one of my favorite games and one of the most disappointing games I've played.
The gameplay IS the best
That's not what all of the missions are
You're right, the open world is fucking empty. They should've made a bunch of smaller open world maps instead because the basses were the most interesting parts, but they were too small.
What little music there was was great, but yup, not enough of it.
Coolest protag in the series
Yup, not enough bosses.
Story was okay I guess.
Logan Gomez
>snake is like bond guys I swear!!
He's a fucking spook who can't be seen you fucking fags. He should be a turbomanlet
Anthony Martin
youtube.com
That's MGS4 CQC
youtube.com
That is MGSV CQC
MGSV is an abortion of half baked peace walker ideas that were better in that game. They westernized MGS for V, and it really shows. Open world is also trash.
Andrew Parker
No charisma
Austin Jenkins
Neither has Solid Snake.
David Flores
>That's not what all of the missions are
Oh right. The other half were "rescue this completely irrelevant guy"
>Coolest protag in the series
Uh? He has 0 personality. You never know his opinion on anything. He's just a silent protagonist for you to self insert. How the fuck is that "the best protag"? FUCKING BRAINLET. Do you play shitty wrpg like Morrowind and think the protagonist is great? No because he's just a placeholder. Imbecile.
This has to be bait.
>Story was okay
Definitely bait
Ian Green
The CQC in V was fine IMO. It's such a small part of the games and it did what it needed to do in V.
Christopher Baker
Then you haven't played the games if you think that from metal gear 2, mgs1, 3 and 4 don't showcase snakes bravery and charisma.
John Ortiz
He has fuck all charisma
Owen Cruz
found the flyover hick
Matthew Murphy
No, it's the most bare bones it has ever been in the series. MGS3 is more replayable than V because of it, and the shooting fucking sucks in that game, 4 has it beat in that department. Oh yeah, MGO 3 is dogshit, a complete waste compared to MGO 2.
Maybe V was your first game in the series, but on all levels the game is really really poor.
Joshua Gutierrez
Wyatt Thompson
The missions were more than that too.
You're right. My bad. Solid or Big Boss are the coolest protags. Venom just has hands-down the coolest aesthetics, especially in the sneaking suit.
The story was okay, not great. The MGS story overall is trash anyway.
Caleb Sanders
>It's such a small part of the games
It's what made 3 good. I guess you didn't play it because you are most likely between 18-20 and only own a computer where you played TPP and tried to emulate PS1 MGS and got tired and came back here to say tpp is the best hahaha all hail hideo kojima death stranding is gonna be NICEEEEEEE fuck you zoomer bithc
Levi James
Confirmed for never playing the other games lol. That's always the opinion verbatim for someone who came late into the series.
Oliver Edwards
>The missions were more than that too.
Name them.
Nicholas Powell
My first game in the series was MGS1 because my older brother got it for his 13th birthday right when it came out and i played it with and without him. The CQC can be bare bones. It does what you need it to do.
Carson Baker
Nah, i'm this guy. Been playing the series since '98, when I was 9 years old.
Jose Green
5'10 is average
Grayson Parker
Notice how you said "played MGS1". Kek I knew it, you don't know shit about the series and barely played the games once or twice. It's ok no need to lie here, that or you watched someone else play it.
Jaxson Gutierrez
I'd have to turn the game on to refresh my memory, but a bunch of nerds are ganging up on me, so I think i'll just leave.
Xavier Edwards
It's ok, you never beat the games and joined the hype train once 5 came out. No need to lie lmao.
Parker Garcia
I might be autistic because I've played the first one maybe ten times while I've played 2, V and especially 3 for HUNDREDS of hours.
Every dog tag on every difficulty in 2, stealth camo plus infinity bandana/wig in every game that offers them. come at me.
Cooper Martinez
What about 4, peace walker, portable ops? Metal gear 1 and 2?
Nathaniel Anderson
^
Christopher Butler
youtu.be
Vulcan Raven talks about Solid Snake ancestry, but retcons so I dunno.
>1:20
Colton Gomez
Never played mg1 or 2, peace walker or portable ops. Don't really like 4 that much. Played through revengeance a couple of times though.
Hudson Nguyen
If they were so good you'd probably remember them.
I only played the game once and I don't remember a single memorable mission.
GZ had the Jamais/Deja vu missions, the chopper/rescue Kojima one, the pretty hard Finger and whatever mission, etc.
TPP had... uhh... destroy the armored tank, destroy the armored truck, destroy the armored TANKS, save this guy, save this other guy, go find some wandering soldier. That's ALL OF IT. It was boring and it had no content (story), you were just doing stuff for no reason. Like the "destroy tank" missions never had an explanation or any background.
Easton Russell
It's already been discussed to death, he has japanese ancestry in the sense that the embryo was used to house his egg, but the DNA used was not japanese, its so they can build up the twist later on that he is a clone of big boss.
Austin Carter
Even playing 3, or 4 which was the best gameplay in the series, you should be able to tell that MGSV is just a half baked game. Forget missions, story structure or it even being finished, just the actual gameplay itself is trash.
Luis Davis
Let's stop discussing with this retard. I met a lot of people like this. They think gameplay was good because Venom's body moved fluidly in 300000 million fps. For some reason they've been brainwashed to think somehow a bad boring game has "good gameplay".
Aiden Bennett
Yeah man, I genuinely don't get it. It baffles me.
Jacob Martinez
This is retarded. Though it would be smart to cast brothers for the roles of liquid solid and solidus. Too bad there aren't many other twin actors or families of actors capable for the role.
Ian Howard
I've already agreed that it's half baked. It has enough qualities that, to me, are redeeming enough that I love it anyway. We'll just have to agree to disagree about the gameplay. No big deal.
Andrew Reyes
The gameplay mechanically is not as good as 4, if you put both games side by side one is clearly better than the other.
Jason Harris
They did this alot in JoJo, there has to be some ties to Japan somewhere
Kevin Walker
Except for the part where 4 was a linear walking simulator and you could approach bases in V from multiple different angles and with different strategies. V was just better man. So much more fun to play.
Luis Clark
wouldn't mind a certain black actor playing Snake
Jaxson Gray
MGSV has literally no moments like the microwave hallway scene or not one of the best moments in MGS history, the ocelot or snake fight. It's focused like any metal gear should be but he was already falling for the open world meme in that game too. The CQC, shooting, gadgets, and overall flow of the stealth was so much better in 4 because it feels like a metal gear game. V feels like a shitty assassins creed game where you go from point A to point B and on the way fulton some people.
Shit even peace walker, the game that V took it's ideas from, is better than that game, thats how sad V is that a psp game beats it.
Henry Butler
Van Damme too, my childhood hero
Joshua Sanders
this but uniornically
Michael Taylor
The microwave scene was cool, but button mashing is irritating a fuck. The snake vs ocelot fight in MGS1 is way better. The whole ocelot, liquid ocelot, and whatever other names the gave him thing was so cringy. Like some fanfic shit I might have written when I was 11. The fight wasn't even good or challenging.
I really don't know what to say anymore about the gameplay. Wearing the sneaking suit in broad daylight, giving myself shitty weapons and infiltrating the final bass in Afghanistan was way more fun and challenging than anything I encountered in 4.
Isaiah Jenkins
This. I'll never understand why anons hate on 4 while simultaneously making excuses for 5.
Ayden Nelson
You don't understand the story for the metal gear series do you lol? If liquid ocelot bothered you even though his father is the sorrow a spirit medium and he used hypnosis to fool the patriots, then how can you make a pass at the parasites being the reason for the cobra unit having their powers?
kek
Oh and the mgs1 fight vs ocelot is not better at all, it has barely the amount of build up that that fight in 4 had, and serves as a perfect end to the series.
Angel Ramirez
>You don't understand the story for the metal gear series do you lol
No, not at all. Convoluted as all hell and mostly retarded. Still my favorite video game series ever though.
No, it is better. I don't care about the buildup. The series went into Dragon Ball Z powerlevel territory after MGS1. Ridiculous shit.
Mason Bailey
Nothing that happened in the game was beyond the scope of the series that had already been established up to 4. Maybe you don't understand the story, because it is pretty hard to keep up with, but to say it's "ridiculous" is silly.
Elijah Thomas
No wonder you like V, because it caters to the people like you who played the series with their brain off and are way too dumb to piece things together. Yikes!
Charles Jones
Yeah, I turned my brain off around 3 because the series' story is ridiculously silly, though probably not that hard to understand, but the games were still fun to play!
Ian Scott
The story is a little ridiculous at times but it isn't at all hard to keep up with. The only time things get a little complicated is between Peace Walker and V but that's because you have to listen to the tapes to find out exactly what's going on with Big Boss' post GZ
>MGSV has literally no moments like the microwave hallway scene
I found the Diamond Dog parasite meltdown at Mother Base similar. I think that entire sequence made me like the game a lot more.
Wyatt Rogers
>he turned his brain off at 3 which is considered to be the best story of the trilogy
What a retard kek. Now that you mentaon it, you probably didn't even understand 2. Which is really sad.
The parasite scene has no build up though, the microwave seen thematically tied the character of old snake with his unwillingness to give up, the parasite scene while pretty cool, just happened and is never talked about again. That was my problem with it.
Josiah Moore
I just finished reading Gravity's Rainbow and I'm almost finished Ulysses, but I'll be sure to put that down for the moment and once again dive into the high-brow shit that is the Metal Gear Solid Video Game Series. I've avoided trying to understand it until right now because it's just so sophisticated and hard to understand.
Embarrassing.
Parker Kelly
Wow dude your reading Ulysses, a high school book, veryyyy sophisticated user!
Call me when you read some Kierkegaard or Kant, "Gravities Rainbow". kek
Jackson Thompson
Lol. NONE of those things are anything close to the masterpiece that is Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Embarrassing again.
William Ramirez
I'm not saying that MGS is something literary, but even at a base level it's a great spy thriller. Reading books especially fictional works that every 16 year old has read isn't really impressive. Really try reading something of substance beyond heroes journey archetypes. But at the bare minimum you probably have a hard time keep up with plot points in other things.
I knew people like that, they would just read but never process information, sucks.
Ethan Morris
>The parasite scene has no build up though, the microwave seen thematically tied the character of old snake with his unwillingness to give up, the parasite scene while pretty cool, just happened and is never talked about again.
Yeah I guess I can see that. If V had been properly fleshed out I feel that it would have had more impact but who really knows.