SPOILER TALK THREAD!!!
Right forgetting memes, politics and all that other shit, this film is fucking awful.
How are critics praising this? it's full of plot holes and it's tone is all over the place. Whatever you thought of Get Out or its message, its far better than this.
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i don't think it was terrible. the acting was good and it had some nice reincorporation of elements, and I thought the jokes were genuinely funny.
went too far into allegory for my liking though. Get Out was an allegory too but it still had an internal logic and worked as a movie despite that. Us' logic was entirely based on the allegory.
>How are critics praising this?
You know why.
The acting and entire first 2/3rds of the movie are great. The ending and reveals/twist were what damper it. I’d still give it a 7.5/10 where as Get Out was a solid 9
>Wow Jordan great film buddy! I'm gonna put it right here on the fridge for everyone to admire :D
>How are critics praising this?
>memes, politics and all that other shit
You've answered your own question, lad.
I decided to give it a chance and I was really disappointed. The first 15-20 minutes were decent then the tone starts getting interrupted and it doesn't stop throughout the rest of the film. Peele just couldn't resist throwing quips in. As soon as the doppelganger began to speak everything went to shit and it never managed to climb out of its crappy direction.
It would have been better if he had just made a short of the little girl getting lost in the mirror funhouse then sees her double.
This is just proof that Jordan Peele is a hack, when he's making a movie like Get Out that's just reskin of Stepford wives he does alright but once he has to do an original story it falls flat. This shit is M Knight Shyamalam tier but way more pretentious lol.
What allegory though? they legit explain how there's just clones living underground which creates major plotholes.
Humor is subjective but I disagree on my end, thought the jokes were ok at the begining but when 'Fuk Da Police' started playing I just checked out, all the tension that had been built up was thrown out the window for a 'Oh wow, this music shouldn't be playing here!!'
Exactly, this is exacly how I felt, I was really enjoying it at the start but as soon as the doppelganger started talking in that ridiculous voice it just noise dived. Comedy then began to be more important than generating actually tension or scares.
but the plot holes has to be the biggest issue. If this film had a white cast and director it would have been EVISCERATED
>all the tension that had been built up was thrown out the window for a 'Oh wow, this music shouldn't be playing here!!'
Fuck I know, it actually annoyed me in Get Out too but it's so much more poorly done in US
This honestly does feel Shyamalam level, like the entire plot makes no sense whatsoever.
Cloverfield Paradox tier bad
Like even the concept of playing upbeat music during a horror scene can be done well.
Hell even the juxtaposition of the Beach Boys good vibrations works better as they song speaks of positive things while horrible actions are being committed which can be creepy.
But fuck the police has NOTHING to do with whats happen and does play off anything else like them killing a doppelganger cop or something. It's literally just there to get in a popular rap song. It's actually cringey
Yes, when it comes to Peele's most basic foundation of his plots, they're just totally unbelievable and horribly constructed. I thought "Get Out" was surprisingly decent... but only if I ignored the notion that wealthy white, Jewish and east Asian people would actually desire going through life as black. It's hilarious to actually consider. Us' plot is even worse.
It's a shame such quality production is being used for this hack.
>Peele was born in New York City, and raised by his single mother, Lucinda Williams, on Manhattan's Upper West Side. His mother is white and his father is black. He attended the Computer School in Manhattan, graduated from The Calhoun School on Manhattan's Upper West Side, and went on to Sarah Lawrence College before dropping out after two years to form a comedy duo with his college roommate and future Key & Peele comedy writer Rebecca Drysdale.
>be untethered
>die from malnutrition due to only eating rabbit, dehydration due to no underground water or disease from shit and piss filling up the tunnels
who was giving them clothes everyday that matched what the people on the surface were wearing?
this
Really liked it. I thought it was fairly disturbing, and I don't care about plot
At least this is well shot and acted, and actually has decent ideas at play.
CP has nothing good.
You're blowing it way out of fucking proportion.
If they were being forced to act out what their other above was doing against their will, why could they just one day decide to 'break the conditioning' and go to the surface and start killing people? What changed?
A non tethered leader apparently. The specifics aren't really important though
the real lupita lead them to revolution because she was from the surface world and could think freely
however i'm not sure why fake lupita was able to break out
I agree I wouldn't say it's as bad as CP but what good are ideas when at the end of the day those ideas are poorly developed and create so many plot holes?
>The specifics aren't really important though
yeah nah mate
Mmmm ... I think you kinda are right. “Get Out” is better film than this one. I assume Jordan tried to make a episode of “Twilight Zone”, especially ambiguous one that dealing with “The evil lives with in”. The typical way start off thing is the beach scene that everybody is chilling, & the things are calm, then suddenly things happens for its own intention. A dude even pays admiration to the method by having a kid wearing T that a film, Jaws pic on it. It’s well craft flick, not in your ass masterpiece, tho. Great effort nonetheless.
Am I wrong? What would it add to the film to spend ten minutes going over all of that? It's not what the movie is about, it's just a framing device
Why did it take her so many years to lead then? didn't they see she was special dancing at like 10?
And how could she as one person break their 'psychic link'? saying specifics don't matter is lazy and a cop out, these are the core aspects of the film
>and I don't care about plot
Why not just go watch porn then?
>The specifics aren't really important though
Stfu Jordan
Because porn is only focused on one emotion and doesn't have interesting cinematography usually.
Lupita Nyongo saved this movie imho
I mean, we could spend an hour making up internally consistent answers to these questions, but they would add nothing to the value of the film. I don't know why you guys get so hung up on them.
>What would it add to the film to spend ten minutes going over all of that?
It would fill in a major plot hole that makes the entire plot fall apart. What would it take away to add background like that? Instead everyone realize the entire plot contradicts itself.
I thought Us did a better job at feeling like a cohesive whole, but I was definitely more interested by Get Out.
At first I hated the twist, but the movie's grown on me. It's not as good as "Get Out" and the government conspiracy was dumb. They needed to explain how the clones operated a little better, how they got their clothes, how many there are, etc. But I actually like the twist that Adelaide was Tethered as it explains why she's so into killing people, why she's kinda nice to the Tethered daughter, and why she doesn't want to go back to the beach.
>Because porn is only focused on one emotion and doesn't have interesting cinematography usually.
Neither does this movie lol
I think it’s important to explain why these people didn’t just fucking die underground like anyone with a brain would think is the logical outcome
A plot hole isn't any question the film leaves unanswered, it has to be a specific contradiction. You're giving more weight to these questions than they deserve, it's not hard to imagine your own answer to them
How has no other clone able to walk up that escalator like the clone at the start was, it right at the end of the fucking hall
Completely disagree, Get Out was unoriginal as fuck and extremely overrated but it was much better than US and had less plot holes.
rekt
Why do the zombies suddenly rise up in Night of the Living Dead? It doesn't matter, it's just the setup for the emotional conflict
Except this one plot hole make the entire story retarded. The whole idea that they mimic the people they are copies of is stupid and makes zero sense already but the movie doesn't even stay loyal to it even though it's a major plot point.
Please by all means do, I love to see what absolute shite you can come up with.
Are you actually asking what people are hung up on plot holes in a fucking film? do you know what board you are even on
It's not a plot hole specifically because the movie spends so little time focusing on it. We know almost nothing about the mechanics of the tethered, and that's fine. This plot isn't one of those intricate puzzle films to be solved. It serves the simple purpose of creating a world where a specific kind of emotional horror naturally arises. That's all it's meant to do. Go watch some giallo and complain to me about plot holes then
They got a messiah
It was just a gag on how the speech-to-command devices (Alexa, Google Home) fuck up our commands more often than not. Name another song with the word "cop" as the third word in the title and is semi-popular.
Saw it last night. What I liked:
-the visuals
-main character is cute
-the scene where it shows the doppelgängers are mindlessly doing exactly what the above ground people that they are tethered to are doing (only scene I found unsettling and creepy to be honest)
-the comfy dad
-tim heidecker
-good vibrations
things I did not like:
-flimsy uninteresting lore and constant exposition of it from the main character
-movie isn’t scary enough (or at all)
-as everyone knows, the plot has many holes
I don’t recommend anyone pay to see this movie.
Giallos aren’t trying to make some big statement about class, race and society
A film is more than its plot. In fact its plot is usually the least impactful part of it. People go to action films for action scenes, romcoms for jokes and a fluttering feeling in their stomach, and horror for the catharsis that comes from escaping fear. That's why most plots are just basic rehashes, because they're just a framework for the stuff that actually matters
>It's not a plot hole specifically because the movie spends so little time focusing on it
>literally used to save the main characters and set up the entire plot of the film
Seriously Jordan, fuck off.
Nothing you just mentioned is contradictory to what I said
couldn't stand to look at these protruding faces chimps for longer than 30 seconds to marvel at how evolutionarily fucked they are.
Zombies coming back from the dead can actually be explained easier than how the fucking clones survived down there considering they actually address they need food like the rabbits to live. what about food for the rabbits? water? where'd they get the red clothes and scissors? Zombies just rising rising out of the ground because of evil or the devil is more straightforward than this convoluted shit
The fact that she didn't try to escape pisses me off so much. Any child her age would know to go up the escalator to safety.
redpilled
>-the scene where it shows the doppelgängers are mindlessly doing exactly what the above ground people that they are tethered to are doing (only scene I found unsettling and creepy to be honest)
best scene in the movie tbqh
>but the movie doesn't even stay loyal to it even though it's a major plot point.
The tethered still feel compelled to mimic the originals. That's why Kitty cut her face and put on lip gloss, it's why Abraham was best friends with Tex, it's why Pluto walked backwards into the fire.
SantaCruzFag here
>Good
People like the hobo with the “1111” etched in his forehead is a common sight, so I’ll give Peele that.
-There are literally less than 5 concealed carry permitted people in the entirety of Santa Cruz county. I’m addition to a feeble populace, something like the tethered going on a rampage would be a legible threat on a smaller scale.
-The Tyler twins were some nice eye candy
>Bad
-It simply tried to do too much. Less is more, and this movie could is used less. Keep the Tethered a local event.
-Adding on to the first complaint, it would’ve been better had the story focused on Adelaide and her tether instead of a simple revenge plot with the tethered holding hands.
-it’s in an odd place where it showed too much of the underworld for it to maintain ominous terror yet not enough to elaborate how these things would be possible.
-Needed more Santa Cruzness. The place can be creepy to venture at night. Setting wasn’t exploited enough.
-The comic relief/quips ruined the tone which was great initially.
When critiquing a piece of art, you give it a curve based on who made it. "That's good.. for a black person." For a black person to make a 7/10, it's really 9/10 based on effort.
>A film is more than its plot. In fact its plot is usually the least impactful part of it
hahahahahaha go write a screen play with no plot you stupid faggot
Because you argue in bad faith, there is nothing to counter. At this point you might as well be b8ing
>durrr this is a metaphor for how black people were slaves one time in case you forgot
>duuuhhhh this one's about how minorities are minorities
Literally the same shit he churns out every time. I get that's his thing, but why doesn't he just fucking making a movie about that shit if he's so obsessed over it instead of wasting his time making half assed horror movies.
the dad at the beginning had an S tier frame tbqh
And why did it take another 25-30 years to break out after finding them? didn't they see she was special dancing at like 10? why did she wait so long to head out?
It's fucking retarded kek.
Yeah wtf? Was she trapped? Lost? Was there a kind of invisible wall? Was she physically unable to walk to the escalator since her double was above?
Quit asking questions. We've already established in this thread that movies don't need plots or structure! Just mute the movie and watch it with no sound.
Or maybe it's just shit writing, that was the real twist this whole time
Please stop using the term "plothole" to describe the issues with this movie. People living underground and being weird voodoo doll zombies of real people isn't a "plothole", it's just an under explored idea. The logistics of people surviving on rabbits and not going up an escalor isn't part of the plot, it's part of the overall story.
Not remotely close to its hype. Not even close. This guy's plots have more holes than Shyamalamadingdong's.
This movie taught me what dishonest filmmaking is.
>Rabbit starvation
>Double recounting her experience in the mirror amusement attraction as if she were the original
Why include that gag at that moment though? you're defending the use of it when it is a horrible idea that destroys all tension.
The film wants to be a horror movie which Peele explicitly stated on twitter and then plays gangster rap as kids are killing evil doppelgangers to save their mother. It doesn't work
Literally anything by The Police. I honestly thought that's where it was going before the Alexa thing said what song she was playing.
She may have become tethered just like the copy originally was. Remember when they were trying to plan what to do at their dead friend's house and the copy/protagonist ended up yelling "I'M IN CHARGE NOW!"?
Would you have rather the knock off Alexa just say "sorry, can't call the police.". that would be anticlimatic as fuck. And if the woman didn't say anything while dying it would be even odder. I guess a re-write where she gets her larynx destroyed by the scissors could save us from this debate. I didn't mind NWA playing in the background---it would be disorientating if you were entering the home unsure of where the doppelgangers.
Scene wouldn't have been better if Message in a Bottle played. Same effect. You may like 80s pop better than 80s hip hop but neither are effective in this scene.
>The film wants to be a horror movie
I didn't get that feeling from it at all. The dad was constantly cracking jokes, you had that scene you mentioned, you had the sister getting stalked by her Tether, etc. Shit was hilarious for a majority of the movie. Even in the 80's flashbacks that dad was great. If he was trying to make a horror movie he failed hard, it was like watching "Tyler Perry fights the Doppelgangers".
It’s anti-white/leftist propaganda
The double was watching her trying to navigate the mirror maze before getting the drop on her.
Why didn't she just fucking leave?
Oh my apologies, I shall do so moving forward!
The real issue is that who the hell builds an escalator down into a secret laboratory? It would be either an elevator or stairs, not a damn escalator.
That pissed me off more than the shitty tethered lore because an elevator just makes so much more sense. Literally who on the evil government planning team said "hey, can e have an escalator down into our weird secret laboratory?"
The premise just isn’t creepy enough. And I don’t think Lupita had the acting chops to make Adelaide’s tethered clone scary. I was thinking, maybe this would be scarier if there were a supernatural element? For example, what if the fun house magically makes a clone of anyone who wonders into it? So, most people who grow up in the area will eventually go in there, so it would have a clone of everyone in the area living down there. I just don’t know the purpose of a fun house being the enterence to where the doppelgängers are. Isn’t that a little too careless and conspicuous for something that is supposed to be top secret and all scientific n shiet?
Agreed that they should have just written themselves out of that situation by not having her speak as you said, but even 'every breath you take' by the Police! that's where I thought they were going originally.
It has a dark undertone in its lyrics and does tie in thematically to the film itself in regards to the linking of person and doppelganger
What isn’t /pol/fag with you /pol/fags these days
I went in expecting this as well but was surprised there is no surface level race baiting. Outside of saying "it has black characters who are not literal apes or slaves" how was it anit-white? Plz redpill me.
it was better than get out
this
This I will disagree with, even though the film is shit there's no anti-white propaganda in it.
The black and white father get on as friends and there are no racial slurs. The white father is treated as a bitch by his own wife but that's a different story.
Having a black family as the main characters does not automatically make a film anti-white
Just is the even bigger plot hole...
I think there's some things a lot of people are ignoring when considering the logic/rules of the movie
>The tunnels/tethered were created by humans, to control others, not the government specifically iirc.
>Red's line about how there were cloned bodies, but the soul could not be replicated.
I think with these two lines we can assume that there is some supernatural element at play.
>the tethered
There is one difference that makes the tethered, well, tethered. They have no soul. This could explain why they are so violent/insane. It also explains why they mimic the surface world in a twisted manner. They're puppets, no real free will, just husks. Red/adelaide, for some reason, were different. The force/magic/soullessness that makes the tethered the way they are did not work for them, maybe it even got flipped.
She became tethered.
>The white father is treated as a bitch by his own wife but that's a different story.
Like we don’t all know a rich white guy who lets his wife step all over him though. The character is played by Tim Heidecker, it is supposed to funny, not make a statement about white masculinity.
it wasn't above average either though. it was low budget, bland, and if it hadn't had Peele's name attached no one would have watched it.
I'm surprised it was rated R but american movie ratings are dumb. I wish he had kept a heavier comedic tone throughout the movie. I mean the hands across america ending was kind of funny.
Elaborating on the underground or even how "Red" was able to maneuver things as the only externally "sentient" individual down there would have been really cool. Even showing a glimpse of the people running the operation or tying it into hands across america was where the cloning experiment was created to feed people would have been more engaging.
I mean these are all threads that someone could speculate on as he left it all up to interpretation since there is no concrete evidence for or against it otherwise. Still somewhat underwhelmed since "The Broken" is airing on cinemax right now.
I don't it was that bad but it felt plot seems very sloppy and it's seems Peele didn't care bc Get Out praise has gotten to his head. Also, are the kids hybrids?
But she has a soul....how did staying in an underground hallway make her lose that and her free will?
Fair enough, he's not someone I've heard of before so I guess it just went over my head
>I don't care about plot
how to get a back / frame like the main character’s father’s? Couldn’t stop miring it ngl
The movie had a T&E’s Bedtime Stories feel to it.
What if she was able to coordinate all of them because they became tethered to her?
They share souls with the original, but it looks like who's in charge can change.
it's a theme of the film, the circumstances we are given shape us more than anything. It's left up to the viewers interpretation, being isolated from her own life probably did it seeing as the only connection to her real life was a doppelganger
same that dude had wicked shoulder game
Why didn't she just leave when the cuffs were taken off, is the underground bunker magic?
That's a 'what if' to purely try and fix the story it's just lazy writing for the sake of convenience and doesn't even align with the minimum lore they've provided us in the film.
Radiation from a space probe. They explain that when they get the tv fixed and are watching the news.
How come Adelaide’s tethered was the only one that wasn’t non-verbal?
>Everyone has been cloned
But didn't she give birth to her kids naturally?
So then how come there are clones of her kids? Is this psychic link between originals/clones so strong that if one gets pregnant the other does as well and they have identical kids?
It's also shown that the behavior of the originals influences the behavior of the clones. But then we learn maingirl IS a clone and her doppelganger is the original.
The internal consistency is all over the place.
1. They explicitly state the tethered has no soul
2. what does 'in charge' mean?
did you even watch the movie
Because she was the original/real Adelaide, weren't you paying attention?
I'm just assuming that a tethered can switch roles with the original because of Adelaide's outburst about how "she's in charge now".
even that would have been more interesting but instead they showed: the diagram she made when she was down there. the tethered individual with the jeremiah 11:11 sign and scar on his forehead. the claim of god.
If the trailers hadn't so heavily alluded to them having switched AH YES FUCK TRAILERS AND THE ONES WHO EDIT THEM then maybe he would have pulled an m night at least.
I bet god made the underground and the clones. Underground is hell and god is Peele and perhaps us the viewers are the tethered for having been played like fiddles and the scissors are Peele trying to cut us free from poor quality kino. *thinking emoji here*
>the tunnels
I think the tunnels have some supernatural element in their own right. How is there enough space for everyone? How do they get the rabbits? How did they get the clothes/jumpsuits/scissors? Why don't they leave? Etc. Its because the tunnels provide these things. Keep the tethered alive despite the diet of only rabbit. The things the tethered need/want to fulfill their role as puppets is given by the tunnels. I say need/want because without a soul, the tethered may have no desires for anything. So when Red enters the tunnels, she can't leave because the tunnels will not let her.
>the untethering
But she retains her ideas/ some free will from the surface. This gives her the desire for revenge. Because she has this desire/soul, she is able to give the tethered the same desire. Now that the tethered have a purpose, they are no longer bound to be puppets. They can act of their own accord, to a degree. When they are untethered, they still dont act in any meaningful way, other than trying to kill others. They stand in the hands across America line because that was their goals, once they were untethered. I'd bet that they don't ever move from that position after they reached it. Like a golem, they can only complete the task that they were given.
portals breh. the facility is being controlled by an AI gone mad ala HAL or SHODAN
Clearly not. She plotted and planned for decades. She somehow managed to find the scratch to outfit millions of clones with red jumpsuits, one leather fingerless glove, and a pair of scissors.
How was the fake Adelaide able to speak and live normally though? shouldn't she still be tethered to the one now handcuffed in the tunnel and barking like all the others?
If the answer is because she was raised on the surface why didn't the Adelaide who was with them for like 25 YEARS teach them to speak?
how do anyone on Yea Forums get through abstract horror/sci-fi anymore.
Ya'll are a bunch of reddit tier zoomers that jump at the chance to pull out your magnifying glass and look clever.
The logistics or lack there of don't matter because this is just an abstract allegoric cautionary like tale. The setting itself is just a means to explore the themes and concepts, window dressing. It's not as if the film is trying to build a fucking universe with sequels and none of the logic gaps contradict pre- established lore within it's own mythos.
You don't fucking question the logistical errors of the tortoise and the hare or an episode of the fucking twilight zone because the logistics were never important to the story and it's designed that way.
>ow was the fake Adelaide able to speak and live normally though
She wasn't initially. They made a big deal in therapy about how she wasn't talking.
>If the answer is because she was raised on the surface why didn't the Adelaide who was with them for like 25 YEARS teach them to speak?
She didn't speak for those years most likely, it's why her voice sounds so fucked up now.
How did she achieve this switch?
Also one of the things NOBODY has addressed is what were the tethered trying to accomplish by doing the chain across the US?
Where they trying to peacefully show they exist? if so why murder all those people first?
>You don't fucking question the logistical errors of the tortoise and the hare
The hare got overconfident and took a fucking nap during a race. What’s so hard to understand about that
Great analysis, and while I did think there were a few glaring flaws, I liked that they kept moving things along. They didn't linger on one thing or keep you in suspense too long.
the fact that animals are talking and having a race
how does a tortoise communicate with a hare?
muh plot holes. they don't even know what plot holes are
Too many tonal shifts took me out of it. Good, not great, not bad.
The problem is with the scale of it. It could have been "magical, evil funhouse makes duplicates of whoever enters and they are evil for reasons." Instead, he actually takes pains to allude to all the tunnels beneath the country and show us it's some "ultra-super-secret mind control experiment" that was abandoned. It's poorly thought-out and half-ass in the extreme.
If this is the level of creativity and imagination he's working with, The Twilight Zone is fucked.
Why does the OG Adelaide not remember that she was the one that got attacked and switch-a-roo’d? She tells the story from the perspective of being down there from birth. I understand they share the same experience, but what even made the tethered become conscious and break out? Wouldn’t the tethered just see the OG and have the very same experience that she too just entered the funhouse, and also get spooked run back to the tethered parents like the OG ran back to hers? How can she just snap out of it and attack her OG double? How is it even possible for them to have different motives and for them to break away from being an exact mirror of their tethered’s behavior? According to the movies own logic how is that even possible?
come on son. they spent 70 million advertising this when it only cost 20 million to make? I hope it does well but pppppppppppf uhh yeah. I know Peele and Blum can phone it in from now on since get out was such a hit. it doesn't even matter since get out made so much they could continue to just sort of do whatever they want.
i don't think you have never seen a single episode of the twilight zone friend.
*ever
I've seen them all multiple times. Serling, Matheson, and Ellis all knew how to craft a deft allegory and set it in a fantasy/sci-fi setting without stepping on their own dicks. This guy doesn't.
>just turn off you brain bro
i agree but tbf the government line was practically a hand wave for stupid people which ironically made the film more stupid but cmon we were all thinking it government anyways
>see the movie
>ends
>some black guy in the audience yells "what the hell was that?"
Based
black
man
I'm done. Glad you like the film. I didn't hate it, but I consider it far from a masterpiece of storytelling.
I’m pretty sure if you were to exit poll the audience I watched it with they would have mostly came out unimpressed and underwhelmed.
neither do i
If you stick to the allegory then it works really well, but if you think about it too much the plot holes become ever apparent
who are you quoting?
The black father is hardly the bastion of masculinity either.
according to your own definition of stepping on your own dick they do not either.
You can logically dismantle the bulk of all the episodes of the twilight zone and you know it.
what you mean? he dabbed on his kids but still fought to defend them. That's pretty ruthless
there wasn't a good use of tension and release throughout the film. the only part I felt something was when husband kills his doublenigger with the motor engine. that scene made my anus clench up. imagine putting a copy of you through a fucking blender jesus christ. now that I think of it all the doubleniggers get got pretty brutally exept for Red prime. She got away with everything.
Peele should understudy with or read over some of Tarantinos scripts and interviews. streching out a scene to an uncomfortable level before letting the tension go.
ok this is a bit unrelated to the film specifically why couldn't we get Lupita in a swimsuit. I would pay 100$ for an imax 3D experience of and hour and a half of her in prurient scenes.
Dismantle "The Howling Man." Dismantle "Time enough at Last" or "How to Serve Man" or basically any of the true classics. Hold them up against this mediocrity and spot all the reasons they work and thus doesn't.
the Jamison Whiskey 11:11 biblical verse is all about worshipping false idols. THE GOOGLE AMAZON IS A FALSE IDOL. yet whenever someone has a question they go to the internet first rather than asking god.
I think that was the point. They are both stuffy privilege guys who aren’t really friends and only see each other to show and brag about their latest luxury items.
Why did the doppelgangers actually create the line across America though, what were they hoping to achieve? to peacefully show the world they exist? If so, why did they start killing everyone?
>the devil can be trapped behind a door despite having nearly omnipotent power
He was trapped by holy men using the power of truth. Nice try.
No, the plothole is the goddamn twist
because an angry crazy girl told them too and she was the only one capable of speech.
Which plays into the theme of those who have a voice have power over those who do not, like the rest of the clones
Lupita elevated this movie.
It’s a 7.5/10 that’s being treated like a 10/10 on the strength of her performance alone.
What's a plothole about it?
>Great tone and setup in the first 30 minutes.
>Was expecting supernatural ghost / schizophrenia type deal
>then all of a sudden the "supernatural ghost" starts spouting dumb shit in a retarded voice for way too long
>jokes on top of jokes. You want tension? Fuck you
>muh so deep symbology everywhere. What does it all mean? I dunno lol just argue on the internet over it
>I got highscore killstreak mom haha
>oh no mom , you got the high score, now you're scaring me for no reason
This movie sacrificed everything so that people can go
> remember 60 minutes ago she did that? So that's why
Should've just been a comedy.
he's the fucking devil, the episode itself basically just jacks off how powerful and corrupting he is and imply's that the world is in a state of peace ever since he was locked away. How again did they even trap him in there
How could she tell all of them though? There's like 2 million of them and no way they all fit in that one tunnel where she was
>I got highscore kill streak
that was genuinely funny and there was no pre-established tension in that scene for the comedy to detract from
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i don't know, fucking word of mouth, use your imagination
Because his power is shown to be a corrupting influence, not omnipotence, like his corporeal form isn't necessarily all that physically strong. Holy men trapped him, men who resisted his corruption and his lies. The MC fell for them and fucked us.
How to make Us an actual horror movie and not a meme social commentary:
>the clones are like skinwalkers from Native American myth
>they turn out to actually be creatures (which would make sense with the weird grunting they do) and one reveals it's true form towards the end of the movie
>somehow the weird hobo from the beginning and Adelaide's twin that she meets as a child are extra important
>the reveal that there are more than just clones of the main family comes later and is a bigger deal
Contrast it to the scene 30 mins earlier where they are all on the couch paralyzed with fear though, tears literally coming out of their eyes they're so afraid.
Now they're laughing at how many they've killed. Forget about tension in that scene, it's about the film as a whole!
>the clones are like skinwalkers from Native American myth
i stopped there
Never get into screenwriting.
My point is they go from
> death everywhere, no one cares, it's fun everyone does it
To
> mom kills the bad people and rescues her son, son is suspicious just to set up the twist
Word of mouth??? Thought she was the only one who could speak? lol
you know, humans can find humor in almost anything, it's part of being human.
this is even worse
If those scenes had happened in the opposite order you would have a point, but them being less afraid of the clones AFTER they had killed half a dozen of them doesn't really bother me.
they make clicking noises and grunting noises to communicate.
And me saying word of mouth wasn't a literal answer meant to be taken seriously. It was a jab of how much of a retard you are for thinking it matters and how little i care
That's generally not the best approach to go with if you want to scare people with a HORROR movie
Exorcist is still frightening because it doesn't have jokes every few minutes to kill all the tension
Ty senpai. I think the whole concept of being soulless & the tunnels being supernatural explains away most if not all of the 'plotholes' people are talking about.
they just found out they were killable, so of course they are not going to be as scared
Lol suck my balls, then you may resume telling me all about your grunting and clicking noises
>Exorcist
this movie was never scary fuckhead and Us is clearly is thriller horror
At least non-humans have the potential be be scary. Just weird fake human clones weren't frightening at all.
So the point of a horror film is to get less frightening as it progresses?
>rely on your "plan" being communicated by millions of non-verbal retards playing the telephone game.
It's a miracle half of them didn't just slit their own throats when go-time came.
You act like it's an uncommon horror trope for the hero to toughen up in the latter half and face the threat head on.
it's almost as if it's a movie
Yeah. Not a particularly good one.
name one horror film keeps the same amount of tension throughout the entire film
Their tether was broken the second they met and their actions no longer synced up. Also why did she stay in the tunnel after the hand cuffs came off? Not to mention who puts a twist at the end of the movie once there are no more stakes at play? What does it do for the plot or audience?
>Also why did she stay in the tunnel after the hand cuffs came off?
this
>who puts a twist at the end of the movie once there are no more stakes at play?
retard
Most don't. But they tend to progress in the opposite direction with twnsion mounting as the film progresses. The most intense scene in this whole movie was the ten minutes after the Tethered first appeared.
Stop pushing the skinwalker meme
i thought it was implied that she became tethered because she was the one in the tunnels
Exorcist
Rec
The Ring
Oculus
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
To name a few...
most horror movies, even the good ones lose tension once the threat has been identified and the characters are aware of said threat. Then it becomes more about the tense action, atmosphere and seeing the "hero" prevail.
>how little I care
You cared enough to comment
Peele couldn't decide *what* she was, so he tried to have his cake and eat it, too. She's "tethered," but somehow still has free will. She learns to dance but still plans free of the knowledge of her "other." Long story short, it's just not good writing, lazy even.
>your mother sucks cocks in hell
you lost me
>oculus
ha
>the ring
zzz
>that scene where lupita's face is pressed up against the glass table
i meant how little i care about how the plan was organized
How is that even a valid argument to make? It's a movie therefore it shouldn't attempt to make sense?
Bullshit. The denouement comes once the threat is dealt with, not when it's identified. Else Friday the Thirteenth loses all tension once everyone knows they're being stalked by Jason.
You suck at this.
a movie only needs to make sense to a point
most of the deaths from friday come from the kids being unaware that they are even being hunted you dumbass
>Do
You're actually okay with a half baked plot?
depends, in certain cases like Us, yes.
In something like the last jedi, no.
Peele is considered 'so brave' by society, but I would not call it praise. It's pity.
In which movie? The first two?
yeah what exactly was the plothole?
gee bro idunno imagine waking up locked by the wrist to a bed in an underground facility when you're 7 years old. as time went by she learned some fucking stuff while she was down there.
she was able to influence them with the power of dance and a hands across america t-shirt I'm surprised they were able to get out in just two generations.
What makes Us acceptable?
>Peele couldn't decide *what* she was
it's heavily implied that is for the audience to decide and why can't it be both? We are talking about a film where souls are a real tangible thing.
What makes this one an exception?
what were the plot holes!?
are there any doppleganger movies where the double is actually a separate entity and not just in the characters head like in enemy, or a twin brother like in that jesse eisenburg movie
The plothole is essentially the entirety of the underground. Everything that relates to it. It's also a bit contradictory having Red live in this seething hatred of her other for putting her in a predicament she could literally have walked out of at any time.
It's a decent enough little horror film, definitely not close to a classic or masterpiece. And I really like Get Out fwiw, but wouldn't put that among the best ever either.
The thing with Us is that once the villains arrive, then it's just a lot of running away and fighting. The premise is nothing unique, there are dozens of horror flicks with home invaders in spooky masks tilting their heads sideways these days... it's been a cringey cliche since the 00s. And no this isn't deconstructing that in any way.
I did like the actors and the way they were characterized though, I Peele's protagonists likeable. Sure, he arguably does depict his white characters as hateable or riddled with problems, but I don't mind that because horror features human ugliness a lot, even biases about them... it works for horror, and Peele is arguably kinda biased, because horror often deals in the boundaries of the safe and acceptable and how people define that limit and fear what's outside it.
Anuways, I do like Peele, I think he's intersting and has a certain touch that reminds me of Shamyalan's imperfect but compellingly personal approach. I'm all for encouraging Peele, but I'm afraid Us isn't a masterpiece of the genre, but not anywhere near bad.
The movie could be recut into a really good episode of Black Mirror
>intro scene of the girl being lost and scared, then at the doctor's office with her parents ("why won't she talk" etc)
>skip forward to her being happily married, husband wants to go to the beach. woman doesn't want to go but eventually relents. she's nervous the whole time but nothing bad happens
>back at their home, the creepy family breaks in, some vague exposition and we see they're clones of the main characters
>fight, father kills his clone but is injured
>go to the neighbors' house, reveal that there are clones of everyone
>main character's son is captured, main character knows where he's been taken
>she goes back to the hall of mirror and down into the creepy underground area
>exposition
>kills her clone
>end reveal that the main character was the evil clone all along
Acceptable to me. Not to you
>The logistics or lack there of don't matter because this is just an abstract allegoric cautionary like tale. The setting itself is just a means to explore the themes and concepts, window dressing. It's not as if the film is trying to build a fucking universe with sequels and none of the logic gaps contradict pre- established lore within it's own mythos.
You don't fucking question the logistical errors of the tortoise and the hare or an episode of the fucking twilight zone because the logistics were never important to the story and it's designed that way.
Basically
If you stick to the allegory then it works really well and it's high concepts and themes of self are intriguing or at the very least memorable and genuinely find the lack of explanation to the world and setting better.
Though I won't deny that if you think about the plot too much it falls apart but i am willing to suspend my disbelief and roll with it.
So what are the doppelganger stories/films by white people allegory to? I'm not following
uhhh its a down escalator dummy there were rooms specifically designed for each and every activity an overworld person would be doing. The two 11:11 above and below just happened to be lined up very precisely and when as a child she wondered onto the beach there was that electrical storm with affected the DOWN ONLY escalator so she could climb up some downward directed stairs while her overworld tethered was going down stairs. The mirror maze was designed specifically to keep people from ever accidentally happening upon the bunker but god damn kids don't know how to read backwards in a mirror and before you know it she walked under kiddo straight to herself.
THE REAL QUESTION is how did undergirl find self consciousness upon seeing her over world half?
>lack of explanation
That's the fucking problem. We got an explanation. A really shitty one. One so shitty that it took a lot of people right out of the film. A well-crafted allegory doesn't require an exposition dump to justify itself.
why are you such a pol obsessed faggot?
unlike Get Out the movie has nothing to do with race. You are just as annoying as when leftist try to pull this shit.
and i stated before that exposition was stupid, damaging and was clearly there to appease stupid people but backfired.
But i can forgive the exposition dump because i was already theorizing the government was gonna be involved somehow so call it bias
Oh I know it's bias. And I rather strongly suspect it's a very specific kind, one born of factors external to the film.
>one born of factors external to the film.
well you are wrong there
What other middling horror-thrillers have you liked enough to overlook their glaring flaws in in recent memory?
hmm not many.
Last three i saw was the nun which was shit but not terrible, halloween 2019 was fun and tense, hereditary was great so idk
not so fast the devil! does this confirm that the underground clones were in hell?
Fair enough.
movie would have been kino had it been hell or a different dimension but peele was too much of a pussy to do that.
Could have been a government experiment surrounding the concept of hell or an alternate dimension and it still would have worked better than some vague government throwaway line.
Long story short, this film is great when you apply your own head canon o all the unexplained dangling plot holes and threads
but would you say he was
>cute and built good?
I think the issue is that a good horror film uses its 'enemy' in a way that is logical both to the source of the enemy and its properties. For example I could sit here for thirty minutes and come up with something big concept like, imagine if aliens replaced all the men on earth with exact clones and then made a film about defeating these aliens. However what would make the film good is if I could provide an explanation as to WHY they decided to replace all the men with clones, what happened to the real men, how the women figure out all the men are clones etc.
If you don't flesh out the reasoning and tie it together with the plot, your film is just a concept piece. Us has that problem, I felt the concept was contrived, even if I know it is fictional horror, in order for horror to be compelling there needs to be a bigger coherent picture that addresses these questions.
So the big questions in Us are: what was the point of cloning everyone, and why didn't the government just kill these clones. Why waste the tremendous amounts of resources on cloning THREE HUNDRED MILLION Americans. How could Red have been the only one to accidentally swap, statistically this is impossible.
If you think these questions are pointless and stupid, then I ask you, why not have every film just explain away the villains as 'magical aliens' and get on with the chasing and fighting? Good movies present you with scenarios that, although improbable, are plausible on the grounds of an 'internal logic'.
I feel like Peele got a decent concept but couldn't flesh it out fully so it feels like a huge asspull. I mean without the logic, you may as well throw darts at a board to write your movies.
My only complaint is the handcuffs. Lupita gets one hand cuffed to the table, but when she breaks free her hands become handcuffed together? Mistake?.....Intentional?????
Peele is good at making me like black people desu
>i need you guys to leave
>*5 minutes later with a bat
>ya'll need to get off my property unless you wanna get crazy
>*comes back inside the house
>ok let's call the police
literally my dad
>how did undergirl find self consciousness upon seeing her over world half?
It happened a little before that, undergirl was stalking overgirl the second she stepped into the mirror maze. It’s shown in the last flashback.
So was this uprising across the whole country? and how were the specifics communicated to every single one of them?
and where the fuck was the military?
and the clones were only human, why were they able to seemingly get the better of every single non-clone? i imagine it'd be at best 50/50 casualties once they had lost the element of surprise
where watch dis online?
>why didn't the government just kill these clones
Waste of bullets and resources, I’m guessing they assumed they’d die out on their own and they weren’t using the tunnels for anything. Unless of course, something drove them out of the tunnels.
an accurate portrayal of tim heidecker as played by tim heidecker. really weird they wrote out the scene where he gets cucked by his black friend which was the reason he was always trying to flex with money.
this, that being said i still think it's a good film.
Though i don't think fleshing out the reasoning is necessary. The problem was the half ass attempt to flesh it out. Either do it right or just don't do it at all and let the audience speculate,
The clones seem to be more durable than their counterparts and actually used stealth when pursuing their target, ending things relatively quickly.
Red and her clone family took their time because she took it personally.
Okay, everything either makes sense, or doesn't need to be understood EXCEPT FOR THE TWIST!
Can someone explain this twist and how it doesn't make sense?!
>Surface Adelaide is actually the tethered one
>But during the exposition underground, underground Adelaide makes it seem like SHE was tethered the entire time and makes no reference to how she was replaced
>Does she not remember these events?
>Clearly not since Surface Adelaide, the actual tethered one, doesn't seem to remember this either
>How can they both forget that they swapped places?
>Also, did the kid figure this out?
LITERALLY NO OTHER PLOTPOINTS/HOLES MATTER BUT THIS ONE.
>why didn't the Adelaide who was with them for like 25 YEARS teach them to speak?
Idunno maybe she was violently strangled to unconscious damaging her esophagus
she lost her mind maybe?
It's obviously contrived so that the twist is some kind of reveal.
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>"shadow" people are an allegory for the "poor"
>they live underground and out of sight ignored by society
>rich black family goes to investigate the "problem" by taking an active approach and survive
>rich white family ignores the "problem" and they die
a little too heavy handed for me, but I thought the movie was good
my biggest problem was the fact that it was a horror movie and they pulled away from EVERY kill showing none of the gory result
this movie was basically a 20 min Twilight Zone episode stretched to 2 hours
the people who made the clothes on the surface also made similar clothes in the under world
>>rich black family goes to investigate the "problem" by taking an active approach and survive
what? they only managed to survive because one of them was a real human and made it personal about having them killed. They didn't investigate shit.
how could she have walked out? they established that the down elevator needed the power to be out in order for a tethered to get up them. they also established that Redalaide original flavor was then tethered to her shadow Red Prime. She may have gotten her soul straight up soul jacked and had to play by tether rules.
whoops! say it with me: PEELE IS A HACK!
this, it didn't need the exposition dump
the score, aesthetics and atmosphere were genuinely great.
best part was the ballet fight
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>How can they both forget that they swapped places?
The real one didn’t forget, the fake one probably did since the tethered share memories with the real ones in addition to their own. That’s why they knew where the key was, that’s why Abraham wanted to take the boat for spin and knew to hit the engine instead of immediately killing his counterpart Gabe.
So, if the govt created millions of clones of americans and kept them in secret underground places, why the fuck did they just not mass execute them when the experiment failed??
they just left them down there? Where they could potentially escape because you could just walk up the escalator?
And Red somehow organized all of them across the united states to hold hands in a protest? and the govt had no idea this would happen?
this is one of those movies where the more you think about it, the more confusing and nonsensical it gets?
The ballet fight saved the movie for me. That shit great.
But Red's exposition before the final battle makes it seem that Red has no idea that she was replaced. Why the fuck would she not bring this up?
After reading this thread this sounds like one of the stupidest movies made in a long time. Sounds about as stupid as The Happening.
>Lupita Nyongo's character was one of the dopplegangers the whole time
probably the worst thing in the movie for me. I had friends telling me the twist was great and there was a certain point in the movie where I expected predicted it and thought "that's too obvious maybe it's a bait and switch twist" but nope
The twist made me think of M Knight during his really shit phase.
same, wish the twist about her son being one too was the real twist
Red knew, she somehow became tethered but she remembered everything.
everyone knows it is impossible to climb up an escalator going down
>what was the point of cloning everyone,
they kind of explained it. the clones share the same soul as the original so they planned to manipulate the originals by controlling the clones, but something went wrong and they scrapped it
the other questions you present are very valid and have no answer. I don't get why they would make 3 million+ clones before testing to see if the experiment worked first
cause america is incompetent when it comes to spending and funding
Red knew, the tethered somehow forgot...
Red knew but failed to bring this ridiculously important point? Red knew but implied that she's been down there since birth?
Anyone want to talk about how it wasn’t scary? Just fucking boring.
Red was playing 4d chest, she knew telling her would put her in the defensive and in denial, the goal was to expose her true feral nature to the son.
Did you think Red conveniently led her to a random room on purpose.
it was not scary, rarely any film is.
Was never bored.
>reads the discussion thread before seeing the movie
>bases his opinion on the opinions of anons
Reevaluate yourself dude.
I think it's
>both Adelaide's (real and fake) know who is who (the real one explains this during their final confrontation underground)
>fake Adelaide on the surface believes that the real one is stuck underground because she handcuffed her or that she died and stops thinking about her while on the surface
>once fake Adelaide goes to santa cruz the memories return and she freaks
>real Adelaide has been planning the whole doppelganger uprising during that time
>the son realizes his "mom" is the doppelganger when he catches her stabbing that twin doppelganger with the scissors and makes the doppelganger grunting and when the fake Adelaide does the same after killing the real one underground
it's not meant literally lol
it's meant figuratively
when the others show up they are proactive and go talk to them
the white family ignores them until it's too late. Tim Heidecker literally says something like "I don't want to leave my comfy space" when asked to investigate
the biggest mystery was why there was a working escalator that had been running for 30+ years and still functioned
honestly would have enjoyed it more if she wasn't desu
it doesn't work figuratively either.
The only reason they were not killed wasn't because they were "proactively investigating" but because of Red's persona vendetta.
>"I don't want to leave my comfy space" when asked to investigate
you are reading way too much into this, the dude who just wants to chill is a trope across films and its a believable one.
kino
you're misconstruing my point
the doppelgangers were representative of the poor
one rich family addressed the problem of the doppelgangers by being proactive and addressing it and survived the outcome
the other rich family took a passive approach to the problem and did not survive
the movie was an allegory of how people treat the poor. in the beginning of the film, they show the hand holding commercial and that was a real commercial in the 80s about trying to raise money to help the poor but not really addressing the issue of why there are poor people
you're just looking at the surface level
>survived the outcome
>did not survive
meaning each family was rewarded or punished for how they addressed the poverty issue (aka the doppelgangers)
It was a supernatural elevator. Duh.
(((critics)))
But there wouldn't be material. We already know that Tethered don't leave their areas.
I think there is something major that we need to establish about the real Addy. At the end of the film Red gives us an explanation about the Tethered that at first glance is probably the right answer, but the truth of the matter is that Red falls under the “Unreliable narrator.” We have to remember that Red is the real Addy from the surface that had her mind and body broken by the 30 plus years that she believes that she is the tethered and not the original, the scene where all the tethered are reaching out towards Red can even be interpreted as such as she becomes taken in by them.
If you compare the story that Red tells to Addy at the end of the film to the fairy tale told at the beginning of the film, a lot of the points seem to contradict themselves. I wouldn’t be surprised if what Red said at the end was something her mind made up to cope with it.
>the movie was an allegory of how people treat the poor
Everyone knows that. What i'm calling bullshit on is your reasoning. Thw qhite family never had an opportunity to investigate, other than i heard a noise which is not uncommon. Where as the black family was approached by the tethers on their drive way who didn't want to kill them immediately.
The only reason they survived was because they had the benefit of Red being personally involved with them.
I think the underground stay alive if the above are alive, it's really the only way for Addy to live despite literally cutting her belly open without having the proper medical equipment.
>Son has new vocabulary
>Son can’t remember how his “magic trick” works or knows it’s a lighter
>Son ends up trapped in the closet, sister says he made the same mistake last year
>Son is building a tunnel at the beach instead of a castle
They’ve been going to that vacation home every year for years.
There is a major plothole in regards to the tethered
>Red confirms when she gave birth to Pluto that tethered of her doctors weren't around the cut into her
>Because of this it seems to confirm that Tethered don't leave their areas
How the fuck do the tethred meet the tethered of others if they can't leave to fuck. Unless Gabe was born in Santa Cruz there was no way for Abraham would meet Red.
All the tunnels are presumably connected.
But they still can't leave their tunnels, otherwise tethered doctors would have been cutting into Red.
fucking finally. People here complaining about how obvious the twist is and patting themselves on the back while missing what is right under their nose
Since Red is an unreliable narrator I assume the truth of the Tethered is a supernatural aspect (as this would literally be the only way to explain many of the inconsistencies) but were then discovered by the government.
I felt the same way. the voice didnt bother me, i dont know why everyone has such a problem with that, but after the initial home invasion it became a comedy. especially with heideckers character....then it tried to go back to serious when the little boy kills the other little boy with the fire....the the final dance scene happened, and I finally understood what was going on 5 minutes before the movie ended.
The theme of the movie is nature vs nurture. Red is soulless yet learned to live among the originals who had souls. Not having a soul didn't control her, where she grew up did.
I assume that when underground the Tethered live and die by the people above. It would be the only way Red would be able to live despite literally gutting herself and there doesn't seem to be any C-section medical equipment for her in her tunnel.
Red said he had a bit of a temper, but he was the chillest one there. Guess he was just angry about burning/scarring himself and being kidnapped/replaced.
But the important thing to realize here is that he’s proof that the tethered can “take charge” and make the real ones mimic their actions.
actually you know what, it is a fair interpretation
Normally I’d agree with you but his judgment is right here.
>his judgement is right here
That's beside the point lol
Missed the biggest red flag of all
>black kid raised by black family didn’t have rthym.
It’s for the best he got replaced, kid was a pyromaniac in the making.
holy shit, the scene with the black kid tether snapping
Tried to gather rules on Tethered
>Rule 1: The tethered will follow the movement of the surface dwellers. This may or may not have connection to the tethered itself or it could be because they live underground as they are “Shadows,” as with Red, who is the real Addy, was shown to be forced to dance, told she was forced to eat raw rabbit, cut herself with blades, and even was forced to have sex with Abraham, the tethered of the husband of her Surface counterpart.
>Rule 2: If the above can’t be follow 1:1 then the tethered will find ways to substitute for this. When a person eats food, the tethered eats rabbits; When someone rides a roller-coaster, the tethered will mimic the motion in a hallway.
>Rule 3: Despite any dangerous events, the tethered will make sure to do what they must despite the pain. Red mentions having to cut her stomach open because of Addy having a c-section.
>Rule 4: The tethered do not leave their hallways. Referring to the example of rule 3, Red talks about cutting her stomach open when giving birth to Pluto, no mention of the tethered of her doctors…if they were present, they would be cutting into her instead. If they aren’t around then they couldn’t have been able to be present despite rule 1.
>Rule 5: While living underground the tethered live and die by the people above. Referring back to the example of rule 3, Red talks about cutting herself open to give birth to pluto and while we haven’t seen every room available in the hallway that Red can only exist in as referred to in rule 4 it seems to be impossible for the medical equipment that would be needed to keep Red alive after seppuku would be available, and less likely that she would know how to use it.
This is of course assuming Red's explanation is indeed unreliable information.
It was pretty good. It's a refreshing take on horror that was lacking in the normie palate.
Also, it's nice to have blacks doing their own thing with black directors, actors and themes and not having it being "muh slavery and opression".
There were plotholes but you really shouldn't watch horror movies for the coherent plot, should you? The actors were fun and the story wasn't so cliche.
I give it a "didn't regret spending my ticket"/10.
>the “thỏ” on Zora’s shirt means “rabbit”
Whoa
>Dad tells his son to hand him the bat, son doesn't know about the bat.
this, every son knows what to do and where to go when your dad says "bat"
Another one
>he wasn’t scared because he was kidnapped, he was scared because he just saw his birth mom get killed and her killer is saying everything is going to go back to normal
You guys are forgetting about the Tethered Son's burns. How could the original have been replaced if we see the son's face unburnt at the end of the film?
where are you guys getting that the son was swapped out?
No, the son was replaced before the film. They’ve been going to that vacation home every year for years since it was Adelaide’s childhood home.
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why would the son get swapped? what's the point?
Who knows? Maybe it happened while they were scouting? Maybe Red wanted to Adelaide to experience the same thing her parents experienced? Either way, Red did get to see Adelaide mourn when Pluto died.