So Vader was holding back on Luke, right...

>nerds unironically think this looks cool

it came out like 10 years ago, it was cool back then.

RoTJ is just a bad movie all around. You have to seriously turn off your brain to believe Luke could even come close to standing toe to toe with Vader.

if you were a child, sure.

>star wars drawing inspiration from samurai in 1983
>stars wars drawing inspiration from anime in 2011

He was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda the same people who trained Vader and he's much younger with a more agile fully human form

well 10 years ago I was 19 so yea

>Force Jesus vs Son of Force Jesus
>having a worthwhile opinion either way
Debating their power level misses the point of the scene in question. Luke wields ruthless aggression and raw power to his leverage in order to defeat Vader, however possible or impossible it may be.
He stands at the edge of the dark side, having severed his father's hand and looks down to reflect that killing him continues their cycle and completes his path to evil.
Basically, if you kill your enemies they win.

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>Luke was able to resist the force and the dark side in ROTJ.
Not totally. Vader was able to sense Luke's feelings and discover his sister.

Even before midichlorians the force was descried as a living thing. So Vader, being more machine than man is less in tune with the force than Luke.

>Does this mean a taller or fatter person has a stronger connection to the force?
I guess. But it's 100% canon by every measurement, both pre and post Disney, that Anakin lost much of his potential because of his injuries.

Force grip doesn't work on strong force sentients

That sounds completely retarded and not all what I remember from TCW. What you're saying is that Anakin was weakened when Dooku severed his hand and that Maul lost about half his power when he was cut in half, when it's clearly the opposite in both cases. And clearly Yoda would've been the weakest Jedi in the temple had this been the case.

I don't remember all the details, but while there is a biological connection between an organic's "midichlorian count" and his Force aptitude, the connection between the user and the Force as a whole is metaphysical and mysterious, This was explored in, I think, the last story arc of the Clone Wars series.

No, you'd have to turn off your brain to believe that that scene was about who could best who. There was much more going on in that scene than who was stronger in a light saber battle or who was stronger in the force.

ROTJ is the best because of it's ending right? Vader's redemption, Luke's fight,etc.

I don’t think it is bad but it would not be good without the Death Star scenes. Han and Leia are really bad throughout the movie. It has the ugliest cinematography of the three movies and the worst direction. The only people who give a good performance in it are Hamill and Ian McDiarmid.

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It's really half a movie. The whole Jabba thing is 45 minutes and has absolutely nothing to do with the main plot other than getting Solo back which could have been done in 15 minutes

But the whole "If you won't turn to the darkside perhaps she will" and Luke losing his shit, then Vader throwing the Emperor with that music build up and just the shot of Vader and you can see how conflicted is is just amazing

No.
By this point Luke is extremely powerful and Vader is a weak old man. What's left of his human body is permanently weakened by the pains and limitations of his suit, his lifetime's retribution for his evil. There's a reason he enters the afterlife after having redeemed himself.

Partially. Vader wanted Luke to join him and overthrow Palpatine in doing so becoming his apprentice and fulfilling the Sith circle of life.

He wanted to in Empire but iirc he gave up on that plan. “It is too late, for me, son. The Emperor is your new master,” and shit like that on Endor. He knew his master was going to try to replace him and he was powerless (so he thought) to stop it.

The size thing isn't true but the body damage is confirmed by Lucas.

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3CPO was pretty good I think even if it's a 2d character. Otherwise I agree that RotJ is really out of place and would've been far better going with the original Coruscant idea.

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Prequel fags are first in line for the gaschambers when I'm emperor. Even before Disney executives.

It's C3PO

I agree.

the scenes with the Emperor were great but other than that...meh

I get that killing your master is the way of the Sith, but why would Vader even want to be Emperor? wtf does he even know about politics or ruling the galaxy and why would he want the hassle?

Cause Sith like to rule shit and be are galactic level megalomaniacs.

That just sounds really silly. I don't see how losing flesh can reduce ones force ability when size obviously isn't a factor.

Luke is actually much more powerful in ROTJ, they just did a shitty job at portraying it
But yes, I believe Vader wasn't actually trying to win

Judge me by my size, do you?

The new word is incel. Incels think it looks cool.

No there isnt. Thats just you head canon looking for some deep meaning in a childrens movie.

The implication was Luke tapped into his rage and inner dark side long enough to defeat Vader but reigned it in before he killed him.

In this way the Emperor failed. Luke was a Jedi like his father before him

midichlorians

Was there ever an EU comic series based on this alternate timeline?

the correct opinion is that ROTJ shows early signs of the indulgence of the prequels, it has the lowest lows but also the highest highs of the OT, and the entire Throne Room sequence is the apex of the trilogy and was done 100% correctly.

>Did I get it correct?
No. All those power levels are retconned, nothing he could do in the prequels or comics or anything else is relevent to this scene, there are two movies before this and he can't do anything he didn't do in those.

really you don't get it? it's so obvious. Lucas is essentially applying monism to everything. the universe is one being. the force is the will of that being. parts of the force are manipulated or murdered, which weaken the whole being. that's why when Luke's powers are awakened everyone can sense it. That's why everyone talks about "disturbances in the force" throughout the prequels as Palpatine begins exerting himself after years of hibernated power. So accept that idea, the interconnected universe. Now stay with me on monism. If parts of the force are severed and weakened by material death, such as Obi Wan's, then an individual's force can be weakened if he loses his own constitution. Lucas is commenting on the body vs. soul argument that raged at the time when people wanted to program AI with a soul. He is saying "something intrinsic to the soul is attached to the body." People missing their arms report 'phantom limbs'. It's a well known phenomenon. That's exactly why, when Obi Wan and Yoda die, they still manifest in spiritual forms with the same body. So when part of your body is rend from your spirit, it exists on its own awaiting the rest of you. You can't tap on that part of your soul.

>tl;dr
Part of you is literally in the spiritual world so part of your force is literally in the spiritual world and you can't use that part of your force.

What about foreskin?

They didn’t call young Luke “Wormie” on Tatooine for nothing!

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This explanation actually makes a lot of sense in the context of the SW world.

Luke fucked with Vader's mind more than he thought and he was thrown off his game.