>And someone says to me like "Oh, Batman killed a guy!'--I"m like "Really?" I'm like "wake the f*** up!"....so that's what I'm saying, like, once you've lost your virginity to this FUCKIN' movie and then you come and say to me something about like 'oh my superhero wouldn't do that.' I'm like I'm like down the fuckin' road on that, you know what I mean? And it's a cool point of view. Like I'm 100% fine .. it's a cool POV to be like 'My heroes are innocent. My heroes didn't like fuckin, ya know, LIE to America. My heroes didn't fuckin' ya know embezzle money, my heroes didn't fuckin' commit any atrocities. I'm like that's cool but you're livin' in a fuckin' dreamworld. And I guess, ya know, so the cool thing is like mythologically-speaking I'm 100% fine and by the way I love anything more than Superman and Batman, but in the same way that Alan Moore was fed up with the fuckin' like OK 'no ya know .. they do THIS.
twitter.com/boomborks/status/1109673855402930176
Zack Synder explains Batman killing
Based
Cool, we broke his brain.
>"To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children's characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence," he wrote to Ó Méalóid. "It looks to me very much like a significant section of the public, having given up on attempting to understand the reality they are actually living in, have instead reasoned that they might at least be able to comprehend the sprawling, meaningless, but at-least-still-finite 'universes' presented by DC or Marvel Comics. I would also observe that it is, potentially, culturally catastrophic to have the ephemera of a previous century squatting possessively on the cultural stage and refusing to allow this surely unprecedented era to develop a culture of its own, relevant and sufficient to its times."
Is he on coke?
Like ok, like um, finish your, um cool, thought, like ok?
tl;dr he's cynical and doesn't like heroes. Instead he wants heroes to be evil and fucked up just like him.
Capeshitters are already seen as society's losers, so it's working itself out 2bh. If you try to make it about numbers and popularity, you also need to factor in that historically, the majority are fucking idiots, so nothing has really changed in that regard, save the fact that now the local idiots from all over the globe can signal boost each other online. Looking at it from the perspective of the ling term, they still manage to be too dumb to affect anything substantial, and capeshit culture will still die with them.
Seething hack, if your want a character to kill don't make batman
No wonder his adopted sex toy kid killed herself.
Having Batman effortlessly kill guys was dumb because everyone already knew the Joker was still alive in the DCEU at that point. You can't have Batman kill AND imply that he has never had the chance to kill a guy who regularly goes around murdering people on a whim.
He even talks like an edgy teenager, it's amazing.
So he just fundamentally doesn't get batman? There are plenty of heroes that kill bad guys but for Batman, its apart of his character. Why he and the Joker and in a contant philosophical battle. Snyder's a fucking hack and prolly never read the comics
I have no fucking clue what any of that means.
He's a MAGA cuck in love with war criminals and Israel, that's only normal that he would turn a superhero into a psychopath
>he simply hates Batman. He doesn’t like the character so he tries to make his own hero who just happens to wear a bat costume and call himself batman
>4channers LARPing as elite cultured individuals
Wew
what a fucking retard
like, ya know?
>ya fucking know like ya know
Snyder's American heroes are truly American.
Fucking based Liberterian
Can anyone give me the gist of this retard's babble?
Nobody cares. Snyder is irrelevant now.
Lol
Right guy for the job?
FUCKING LMAO
What a dumbfuck
>MUH DARK EDGY CAPESHIT KILLINGS IS OKAY BECAUSE IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY PEOPLE WERE MEAN TO EACH OTHER
>ALAN MOORE AGREES WITH ME, I RESPECT MOORE SO MUCH
>I RESPECT MOORE SO MUCH I COMPELETLY CHANGED THE ENDING OF WATCHMEN
I knew the second Superman snapped Zod’s neck we were in for a shitshow
>uses a gun twice in the same book anyways
good one, bats
ok but did he say anything about his new zombie flick
In real life people kill other people, so, like, ya know, Batman should kill people
He just keeps making the same stupid grimdark morality play no matter what the actual movie is. And people wonder why Aquaman came out good.
what the fuck did he mean by this
b-but Aquaman was good because of Snyder
He used a gun in that comic kek
More cultured than capeshitters yeah...
...
Imagine being >20 years old and thinking killing is wrong
Sure am glad his movies flopped.
Except Aquaman kills too.
>Capeshitters are already seen as society's losers
only a basement-dweller who never socializes would say that. the fringe capeshitters who own 1000 funko pops might be considered weird by the mainstream (even that is starting to change), but capeshit has become so normalized that it has ingrained itself in society and is now the definition of normie tier. it's just totally "normal" that year after year, for the past 10 years, the main cultural events have been children's power fantasies. moore is absolutely right.
this is you.
Only the weak-minded succumb to barbarianism
What the FUCK is he even trying to say?
>Look, fuckinnnn, I'm 100% FINE, okay?
The fact that he says this twice in this rant is hilarious.
Except original Superman is a clear reflection of some kike boys being fed up with soiciety.
I like how this guy brags about ebil corporation stole his character, yet at the same time defends attempts of same corporation to make those characters child friendly.
Succumbing to barbarism is exactly what you are doing right now you good goy
It's kind of like hearing a 14 year old explain what Alan Moore meant. Yeah, thanks kid.
If he had had half a brain Watchmen would have been the greatest superhero movie of all time, because he absolutely nailed the visuals and had great casting, because that's what he's great at; visuals.
But unfortunately for Snyder visuals are not the only thing that go into a film.
You mean barbarism?
That's how I sound when I'm trying to explain... anything.
Nah, I actually get what he's saying.
He points out how Watchmen was kind of Alan's Moore's response to how rigid comic book morals had become. How the heroes were stuck at the same point in the lives for 40 years constantly being retconned, same stories same heroes no growth or arc. Which is sadly true still to this day, see the New 52 failure or A brand new day.
Comic books these days have hit an all time low, they are just horrible. Everything is a retcon or reboot, the characters are stuck in the same cycle.
So Synder was saying if you see the full clip not on twitter, was that he was responding to this. Batman was near 50, he was beat up, torn up, was getting more and more violent as BvS started. BvV was so cut up you missed the Arc where Batman goes from this grizzled I don't give a shit i'm going to kill you guy, to okay I'm not always going to try to kill you all the time guy.
meaning it wasn't the old batman, he had changed. Whether you like that or not, is understandable but the fact you'd be upset that batman has changed would be retarded.
What? No. You can't expect everyone to cut their own hair.
batman is the one who rapes.
>PROTECTION FO THEM
Comics before the CCA were based. Once they became government regulated and two companies monopolized the industry they just became another cia psyop.
There's nothing "new" about making Batman kill. Michael Keaton murdered dudes left and right. Even Christian Bale blew up a house full of ninjas. The only Batman who didn't kill was Schumacher's.
>like
>like
>like
He really does make movies for brainlets
>>MUH DARK EDGY CAPESHIT KILLINGS IS OKAY BECAUSE IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY PEOPLE WERE MEAN TO EACH OTHER
or because they are validated by plot and character's history
>>I RESPECT MOORE SO MUCH I COMPELETLY CHANGED THE ENDING OF WATCHMEN
he didn't
Also just because character says something on some panel, doesn't mean he will carry it out no matter what. Nor does it mean that it even means what You think it does.
>I'm like that's cool but you're livin' in a fuckin' dreamworld
Pretty sure that's the point of comics but I suppose it does go both ways. He can have his dreamworld too.
That capeshitters need to get laid.
yep
that explains everything
This Batman killed *someone* first. Safe money is it was either the Joker or his own corrupted partner.
>He points out how Watchmen was kind of Alan's Moore's response to how rigid comic book morals had become.
It wasn't that at all
so THIS is the power of Snyder
Is he high
Which movie are you guys talking about? I've only seen Batman v Superman and I don't remember any blatant kills in that film (one seen it once though).
Except for the fact that Batman starting to kill people is a terrible way for the character to grow.
It undermines everything he has done before, makes all the joker victims meaningless and smears their blood on his hands...I can give him a pass with superman though, since he is a galactic threat. Random guys though? No, never.
Batman is an unstoppable force of willpower, far too stubborn and obsessed to break his own rules. Batman Beyond was much better at showing what an aged Bruce Wayne would be like.
>DUDE BATMAN KILLS YOU FUCKING LIKE LMAO
>joker is still alive
>embezzle money
what
They're fucking
>by the way I love anything more than Superman and Batman
Why did they let a capeshit hater direct these movies?
Alright, so Transformers have been stuck on the same "good car-robots vs bad plane robots" mindset for decades, so it would be okay to make a Transformers flick with non-transforming robots enslaving humanity because they are beyond petty good vs evil motivation. Snyder is just dumb.
stupidest post itt
He probably had a father figure embezzle money. He's confusing his personal life with the stories of batman and robin
>unironically saying this on an anime imageboard created by 15 year olds
When did Yea Forums become "enlightened"
Golden Age Superman is the best Superman.
He was busting through walls shooting people. He was actively trying to kill Supes.
>My heroes didn't fuckin' ya know embezzle money
My fucking sides are gone right now from imagining a movie where the plot revolves around Superman embezzling money
So you are talking about BvS? I'm just making sure. I was wondering if hes doing a full batman killing movie that I missed.
That's a very eloquent way of putting it, point taken.
>the story of batman and robin
there is no fucking story. it belongs to whoever owns the rights. zach’s version stands with every other version and your bitching won’t change that. Batman and Superman KILLED. no changing that now.
He's right. Pretty much the only comics characters at the time of Watchmen and V for Vendetta *not* so overflowing with moral rectitude that they shit marble were the X-Men, and even there they were always unquestionably presented as justified. Moore's stories were among the first to present protagonists who were truly grey from the perspective of morality, among the first to give us psychopathic "heroes" who'd found a socially acceptable excuse for violence.
Joker is still alive tho
>that filename
That guy was a bomb. He was gonna explode one way or another upon reaching critical mass. Actually Superman just pushed him away with laser eyes thing. He exploded on his own.
Yes. I can't recall if he kills humans in Justice League but he never really had the chance to. At this point since he's buddies with Superman I imagine he changed. The Batman is being directed by Matt Reeves, previously Affleck who is no longer Batman.
I really dislike people who can't express their thoughts without every other word being a curse. It's a sign of incredibly low IQ as well, so I find it tedious.
based, I wish his movies weren't dogshit though
No he wasn't, that was the second joker, probably jason todd.
I fucking hate this hack
Dumbass
>No he wasn't, that was the second joker, probably jason todd
I haven't seen anything that confirms this is true.
He never shot one person. He shot their equipment. He caused explosions. But he never outright shot one person. When you pay attention, you realize what having him act this way is speaking to in terms of what he represents both in the story as well as the commentary it provides on past depictions of the character.
There's a lot of clues that he is. Just have to know the character. Also Joker is way to young to actually be a threat to batman in his prime, which Bruce was not.
This but I feel this board is filled with reactionary faggots who dont actually consume media outside clips and screencaps on social media
How can one man be so based?
Robin's suit in BvS very strongly suggests it.
KINO.
Zack Snyder must make The Bible starring himself as Jesus.
He exploded a bunch of cars and ran his batmobile over a goon pretty clearly.
How so?
i only consume information through video games and i hold two phds, have an IQ of 210 and BvS is my favorite movie (without ever having watched it for reasons already stated)
>batman never killed anyone
Wrong.
The scars on the Joker match the damage to the suit in BvS.
Batman killed Two-Face in Forever by tossing all those coins.
This is coming from a guy who couldnt make a flick with Batman and Superman in it even break a billion, then destroying them. Meanwhile new directors with D list DC Heroes are doing well. Bwahaha bitter Synder.
ramblings of a retard
that was the point brainlets
He didn't run over anybody. At least to his knowledge. That's exactly the point - he's feeding his bloodlust in ways that he can rationalize to himself. He's doing precisely the same thing with his "crusade" against Superman.
>le use big words
Scruffy cunt needs a wash and a haircut.
Knightmare part was kino.
Vehicle deaths don't count. Remember pancaking cop cars in Batman Begins
>incoherently starts stuttering and swearing
kek
>I knew the second Superman snapped Zod’s neck we were in for a shitshow
I tried to warn these drones. I really did.
The people complaining aren't comicbook fans though.
!!!$25 BUCKS!!! That's like a billion dollars in the old days
>"Batman, you have to rape the joker"
Honestly he fought like video game Batman, blowin shit up without of the convenience of non lethal weaponry.
Any native English speaker that complains about
>muh big words
is a double digit IQ og brainlet.
Not to mention that Batmans "signature" is beating people retarded, turning them into quadriplegic vegetables, which is somehow okay and preferable to murder?
> Marvel is making gangbusters just adapting 30 year old events everyone's already read five times over.
> Oh shit we should do that too especially now that we let Disney do all the hard work.
> Zack Snyder: nah yeah I'm pretty sure I can think of a better story than those.
The hubris.
It's not the Batman (TAS) they grew up with.
>literally responding to criticism irl with “have sex”
Zack Snyder confirmed edgelord.
It's like he's only ever read Frank Miller and nothing else.
>no one takes seriously the only guy that took comics seriously
gee whiz!
He could have predict this entire event with his super-intellect and neutrilize him with Phantom Zone projector, or any other gizmo without killing him.
Or fly to the FoS at super-speed.
If one wants to play by Silver Age rules he can't do that with half-measures.
It doesn't matter, even though Snyder is a moron I actually would love to see more shit like MoS and BvS. Marvel formula is really played out and is just getting old.
he read frank miller, and didn't get it
>Marvel is making gangbusters just adapting 30 year old events everyone's already read five times over.
>Snyder: what about doing something semi-original with actual depth
>capeshit nerds: OMG WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU FUCKING HACK GIVE US THE SAME DRIBBLE WE'VE SEEN 100 TIMES BEFORE BUT WITH A-LIST ACTORS YOU DICKHEAD!!
Zack has the mind of a 14 year old
>Snyder: what about doing something semi-original with actual depth
when is he gonna start?
>I didn’t read all-star Superman but look at this completely out of context page
Snyder is a hack for not using the giant squid. That squid is the reason comedian went off the deep end in the first place.
Grow up.
>just adapting
That's why Thanos doesn't want to kill 50% of Universe just to bang Death.
What big words? I actually went back and reread the quote and I still don't know which words anyone would have trouble with
>muh hero's must be uncorruptable nuteral gud
Fucking cringe go watch unbreakable or some half way decent stuff
I don't particularly like Snyder but he's right in this instance.
Also the concept of a anti hero is much older than current era capeshit see jesus fucking christ
t. saw Batman V Superman, and didn't get it
He already did. But you missed it because you were too busy burying your head in the shade
The point is that if a superhero killing somebody is something that really bothers you, the problem is with you
>15 years old in 2003 means you are 15 years old forever
He already did.
If I wanted to watch shit low quality people with no morals or integrity. I could just go outside.
The audience want ideals to watch and be inspired by. Not this race to the fucking bottom normies think should be the status quo. Where useless retards like the kardassians are given the spotlight.
Fuck these people with no respect for the goddamn source material.
Sucker Punch made me laugh because it's basically an ecchi anime but he managed to convince all the women in that film that the movie was about "feminism". It was actually amusing to see them defend it as such.
>"Batman kills everyone and uses guns, it's okay because I say so."
But then he literally isn't Batman. It makes no sense characterwise. Why are Joker, Harley, Deathstroke, ect. still alive? Why did he star off beating people up while saving those slaves/captives but then suddenly murder every criminal in sight later in the movie? Why didn't he kill Lex Luthor knowing he was evil and will escape? Why did he fall for Lex Luthor's plan so easily? Why on earth did he think killing Superman (knowing that there are potentially other aliens out there with his power after watching his fight with Zod) instead of working with him (and using kryptonite to stop him if things went south like in the source matrial) was the smart idea?
Also, why did they put the Punisher in a Batman suit? Why did the word 'Martha' suddenly make him not kill Superman? Why did he not bring at LEAST his armor suit with him when he revived Superman knowing he'd be up for round 2, instead of letting his ribs get broken? Why was he literally completely useless during the Steppenwolf fight?
Zack Snyder literally doesn't know a thing about the characters.
I did. It's not out of context. If there was alternatives he wouldn't kill/push to the sun (whatever you want to excuse it) this man bomb guy, or freeze prisoners so they will be helplessly eaten by Parasite, or even leave Kandor in tiny state.
"Real" Superman (i.e. ) would never do that or allow that.
>Snyder is a hack for not using the giant squid.
quite the opposite
Manhattan's wrath accross the globe, not just in New York makes more sense
he's a hack
I'll never understand Yea Forums's admiration for him beyond meme.
>Literally every one of his movies gets an immediate ~70% drop.
Damn. He really does suck.
>But then he literally isn't Batman
Zack is so bitter because he looked like a fucking idiot last time he was asked this question and it became a meme.
What a fucking hack.
They went with the retcon serial killer Thanos instead. I get why but yeah.
>Batman kills everyone and uses guns
>Batman uses a gun at the end of existence to turn the god of evil's weapon back upon him, specifying this is a once in a lifetime exception to his rule
Do you not see the difference here?
killing a space god of hell because he has no other choice as a mere man isn't exactly equal to mass murdering every criminal he meets
>He could have predict this entire event with his super-intellect and neutrilize him with Phantom Zone projector, or any other gizmo without killing him.
>Or fly to the FoS at super-speed
That's some high-octane my dad is stronger than your dad kids in the playground level of OCD. He could've predicted that Lex Luthor is genetically modify someone into a suicidebomb? He only had a couple of seconds to react let alone fly from the sun to Earth and back in time for this guy to kill everybody. Fucker wasn't even human, just a humanoid drone. This type of jumping through hoops thinking led to super-ventriloquism and Batman always has a plan for every possible situation insanity.
Also, at that point Superman wasn't exactly on silver age levels. His dip into the sun is what pushed him into that.
I'm so glad this fucking hack is gone
based as fuck
He's like a director trapped 20 years in the past.
>mass murdering every criminal he meets
Like who?
Batman NEVER kills!
>My heroes didn't like fuckin, ya know, LIE to America. My heroes didn't fuckin' ya know embezzle money, my heroes didn't fuckin' commit any atrocities. I'm like that's cool but you're livin' in a fuckin' dreamworld.
You can really tell Hack Snyder hadn't read a single Batman comic outside of Dark Knight Returns and Killing Joke. We always could guess that was the case but this really confirms it 100%.
>cant admit Yea Forums is for people with pleb taste
>Batman literally says "I'll make an exception" to his no gun rule to kill a being more powerful than him who is intent on using an anti-life equation to ruin the universe as he knows it.
Zack stop, did you even read the comic you posted?
>Batman kills everyone and uses guns
But that's not the case in BvS. He uses guns during a car chase because you can't punch a speeding car.
entire BvS. don't post if you got no understanding of what's going on the thread retard
Good.
They made much better films back then.
>fans of his movies see them on day 1
Whats the problem here?
The cold hard truth is WB is the definition of a dinosaur who simply can't move at anything other than glacier paced. This is true with literally everything they have a hand in. Snyder would've been ousted years ago but it's like a game of telephone all the way up to the geriatrics in the smoker lounge.
batman used guns and killed people in his original incarnation.
Oh we get what he's trying to say and there are plenty of heroes killing that doesn't bother people. Batman killing though shows are clear lack of understanding of the character
>But then he literally isn't Batman.
Batman has used guns and killed people in several different carnations. But most importantly, there isn't one "canon" version of Batman. Adam West's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman are both Batman. Ben Affleck's Batman is a new Batman, and still Batman.
> It makes no sense characterwise.
It actually makes perfect sense and is explained explicitly within the film.
>Why are Joker, Harley, Deathstroke, ect. still alive?
None of these characters appear in the film. If they had shown up you'd have a point, but as it stands your criticism is that you don't know the full story.
> Why did he star off beating people up while saving those slaves/captives but then suddenly murder every criminal in sight later in the movie?
He didn't suddenly do anything. The criminals he killed, he killed due to time constraints versus effect. He didn't have time to make sure every bad guy was alive when he was trying to save Martha for example.
> Why didn't he kill Lex Luthor knowing he was evil and will escape?
Literally his entire character arc in the film.
>Why did he fall for Lex Luthor's plan so easily?
Because he already wanted to kill Superman. It wasn't so much him falling for it as his motivations lining up with Lex's.
>Why on earth did he think killing Superman was the smart idea?
Explained very explicitly in the film
> Why did the word 'Martha' suddenly make him not kill Superman?
A scene that could've been better written, but because that moment made Bruce realise that he was about to turn into the criminal that killed his own parents.
>Why did he not bring at LEAST his armor suit with him when he revived Superman knowing he'd be up for round 2, instead of letting his ribs get broken?
Because JL is a bad film
>Why was he literally completely useless during the Steppenwolf fight?
Because Whedon butchered the film and we have no idea what Snyder intended
What a brainlet
i wish i was 15 forever
>>Like.... like.... like.... I'm like.... wake the fuck up, like... I was like, born for this, like decades ago, you know? You like, think your hero, like, your superhero, wouldn't like kill a guy? And I'm like here, like "LOSE YOUR VIRGINITY"
Not sure who's the mental virgin here, Snyde.
No I mean he still wants to stick heroes in black leather and sees them only as stand ins for his eventual magnum opus.
Kind of like how every Apatow script has a dude riding a bike with a mid-life crises.
But WHY is Superman such a paragon of virtue? He was raised by previously childless farmers in Bumfuck, Midwest, what are the chances they'll take this alien baby who dropped out of the sky and raise him against all odds to be the most virtuous, well-adjusted, charming, intelligent and wonderful person on the face of the planet? How does it happen?
His take on Watchmen and Alan Moore is fundamentally different than what Alan Moore's take on super hero comics. He would tell Snyder that super heroes are for children and should remain that way. That when you take them seriously and put them in the adult world you get Watchmen. He didn't actually want the industry to shift toward that though. He still wanted superman/batman/etc to be made for children. Not pandered to adult children.
t. mentally 12 year old capeshitter
>HH
based? possibly redpilled?
>most importantly, there isn't one "canon" version of Batman. Adam West's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman are both Batman. Ben Affleck's Batman is a new Batman, and still Batman.
Autists are literally unable to grasp this and I don't quite know why
But when does it happen in the film
Like a main part of how Superman comes into contact with him is that Batman brands the people he throws in jail, so he can't be killing them all or he wouldn't have any left to imprison
>Why are Joker, Harley, Deathstroke, ect. still alive?
Cause they sell and writers are cratively bankrupt.
Batman's no kill rule is the result of self-imposed censorship in the wake of CCA and some autistic writer's desire to give an in-story explanation for that.
Batman never kills in comics for the simple reason that writers never put him in a situation where he has to kill cause there's no other choice. Never. He always finds a way, cause shit is never impossible. It's easy to be a moral paragon faggot when you have your own personal angels in the outfield in the form of writers making sure you're never compromised and your hands will always be clean.
Now, I'm not saying Batman should kill, but he should definitely shut up about it. If we accept that Cobra troopers survive every explosion in GI Joe, we can accept that Batman takes down everyone without lethal force without making it some huge virtue that he can use to lord over lesser known characters.
Also, pic related pre-Crisis he never really had a strict no-kill rule like Superman did, he was just really good at his job.
-the Killing Joke
+Death in the Family
About the same as the chances that an alien of human appearance will be rocketed to earth, where yellow sun rays will give him godlike powers. You retard.
>or because they are validated by plot and character's history
in a prequel that'll never be made
Batman didn't even kill him here. Darkseid was just wounded and the Black Racer has to finish him off
Snyder is such a hack that he can't keep from comparing himself to Alan Moore
the biggest overrated hack there is
The whole 'impossible to write a human superman story' is a bullshit mantra in the first place.
Pack up your bullshit non-answer and fuck off faggot
>well you know it's science fiction so nothing needs to be rational
What a fucking dunce you are for thinking this was a good counterexample
He sounds like a flustered woman.
>And someone says to me like "Oh, Batman killed a guy!'--I"m like "Really?" I'm like "wake the f*** up!"
why does he sound like a 16 year old girl?
Not really, no
>Complaint: Batman uses a gun, Batman never uses a gun
>Counterpoint: Here is Batman using a gun when the situation calls for using a gun
>Be active as 'Batman' for ~20 years
>Kill bad guys
>Somehow have arch villains that are still alive
Zack stop, just admit you don't know what you're talking about.
Pic related
Take this same B.S. rant and and replace capeshit with Shirly Temple or Cowboy movies. Its short-sighted fear mongering.
Reminder that Snyder is literally an autistic manchild who has his mommy-wife take care of all his business dealings
Same level of maturity.
Or a söyböy wanting to score with a flustered woman.
Not an argument.
he sounds borderline incoherent
This. Fucking Donner's Superman is more human than Snyder's even with his full bullshit Silver Age powers.
It's simple, autists don't like things that are different. If a version of Batman doesn't line up 100% with the animated series or some random comic run then it isn't Batman. This type of thought process is actually reinforced by the industry itself for the most part with its creatively stifling status quo.
>Pic related
What do you think the point you're making is?
based
>The entire scene's drama relies on the reader's knowledge that Batman never uses a gun or kills
You're bringing in aspects that aren't in the film and complaining that they're not explained. That you can't grasp how monumentally stupid this is on your part speaks volumes on your intelligence
Yes really, yes.
t.virgins
>Alan Moore
>the biggest overrated hack there is
Dude can write but it's like someone making campfire stories out of the 30 wiki articles he read the day before, which wouldn't be so bad if he didn't thump on his shit like it was Shakespeare every time.
Relevant
That's Silver Age Superman
Have gender
I don't care
this thread is shit and the mods are fags so I'm just dumping superman shit
I ain't reading all that shit
cringe
>SnyderCon
>Look it up
>it's real
Holy shit this guy literally has right-wing, pseudo intellectual, film cult made of Drumpftards who praises his shitty DC superhero films. I hope anyone who takes this guys film making seriously gets their head checked, you're fucking ill.
>Batman is chasing after a speeding car with a literal minigun turret on the back spraying bullets at him like water
>Nerds get mad that Batman fires back
What's he supposed to do, karate chop the 100mph vehicle?
Keep 'em coming, this is comedy on par with Snyde Supes.
The way to go about that change is to create new characters with those more moral adaptabilitis he desires. Not just keep retconning even more. No one wanted batman "re-invented" like that. He wasn't paid too do that. He was paid to adapt a comic from the 80's. He's a pretentious tard with delusions of grandeur.
Lol why is he so mad? Did all those youtube video essays get to him?
>None of these characters appear in the film. If they had shown up you'd have a point, but as it stands your criticism is that you don't know the full story.
Doesn't Suicide Squad take place in the same universe, or whatever? Just because those characters don't show up in the movie doesn't mean they don't exist. It feels weird that you give Batman an offscreen character arc where he becomes more loose with his "no-kill rule" and yet some of the more dangerous members of his rogue gallery are still around or seemingly haven't been affected by said arc in any real way.
Feels like Snyder never intended to have other major Batman villains show up in his "vision" for the DCEU, or at least not in the way they are typically used.
Jesus Christ is that how he talks? He's worse than Trump
Easy to say after you make bank repackaging penny stock heroes from yesteryear and making them edgy for a new generation.
Imagine having the mental capacity of a 3 yr old.
>aspects that aren't in the film
>It is mentioned in the film that Batman has been active for ~20 years
>Deathstroke is in the end credits for JL
>Joker, Harley and Batman are literally in the same scene in Suicide Squad
>Batman has multiple chances to kill Lex Luthor
Zack, do you even watch your own movies for crying out loud?
this is my favorite
Sadly Snyder will never have a career again.
Pre-Crisis Lois was the thirstiest bitch in existence.
I wanted that sort of batman and the character is a plausible interpretation of the character. When you consider all the 80 years of the character including the movies and not only the shitty comic books you read.
this one is pretty good too
>Batman has multiple chances to kill Lex Luthor
Batman doesn't harm anyone in the film who isn't actively trying to hurt him. All he knows about Lex is that he's plotting something.
Holy comedian behind bars, Batman! That's awesome, please post more if you have!
Too kino for film.
Based and redpilled
stardust movie when
You know, Marvel has like this whole fucking check list for Sony as to what Spider-man can and can't do in the movies and what he is and isn't.
WB let this retard, over 4 fucking movies (he was the producer of Suicide Squad), fuck up Batman and Superman with his retarded ideas. I don't give a fuck that they were filming Justice League when Batman v Superman came out. They should have fired him and delayed JL to bring in a new director
Comic batman is the world's greatest detective.
Movie batman is... um...
Holy shit fucking BASED
>uses "fuckin'" 80 gorillion times
I'm neutral on Snyder, but you'd think a man of his influence would have a better grasp of vocabulary.
And it seems if zak had his way it would be by him
Clearly a closest homo
Movie Batman is just grimdark Superman.
Before you proceed have you applied this criterion to any other Batman movie
Anybody that wants to team up Batman and Superman is full retard. It never worked in the books, it never worked on the WB toon, and it certainly didn't fuck work in the film.
It's true nobody really gets the character right.
Batman having a low point where he ends up killing a bunch of thugs and then gets redeemed is a cool thing to see in the character. Also I can't imagine operating for decades beating up heavily armed thugs with his massive body and martial arts and his tanks and jets a d nobody dies ever.
Let's be real you are fighting hardened criminals armed with guns and you don't have illimited strength and resistance, how you subdue them without massive trauma? You just sock them in the jaw and they sleep until police arrives?
Also what the fuck does your screen prove. It is an interpretation among many others.
>dude I just forgot about one of this popular character's most well-known and interesting traits and didn't bother explaining its absence or exploring it or anything, but at least he had the car-pow and the ninja-whoosh
kek, what an absolute hack
>you make bank repackaging penny stock heroes from yesteryear and making them edgy for a new generation.
That's the definition of art though user, every great artist did this exact same thing. They took something from the past and presented it in a way the modern audience can understand. They modernized the eternal.
Burton is still the worst offender by far. His Bruce was some quirky dipshit living in a goth mansion five miles out of town.
>Doesn't Suicide Squad take place in the same universe, or whatever?
Yes, and it came out afterwards. So it's a criticism of Suicide Squad and the dceu as a whole. But it doesn't work as a criticism of BvS
>Feels like Snyder never intended to have other major Batman villains show up in his "vision" for the DCEU
I would actually guess, though we can't know, that he had plans to explain the rogues that are alive like the Joker (the Jason Todd theory is a pretty good one in my opinion), with the explanation for a lot of the others being that they hadn't been operating in Gotham for particularly long
Good thing Alan Moore never wrote any graphic novels based on established characters from old comic books or well-known literature
Again his version of superman and batman was a synthesis from the best comic book interpretations plus some tweaking for the better.
>Deathstroke is in the end credits for JL
>Joker, Harley and Batman are literally in the same scene in Suicide Squad
Wow, two examples from films that came out after BvS
>>Batman has multiple chances to kill Lex Luthor
Genuine question, did you watch the film? This is like complaining about the ending of A Chritsmas Carol makes no sense because Scrooge would never be nice to anyone
How the fuck did he do that?!
>youtube.com
never underestimate the power of a 14 year old
>It never worked in the books
Fuck off fraud, the Justice League trio has great chemistry and has worked over hundreds of issues. The latest Batman&Superman comic was a critical success as well as the early 2000s one
imagine being such a mental child you think killing is immoral
see
You break bones and cripple them for life
He clearly kills like 10 henchmen, mostly in the batmobile chase (e.g. firing heavy guns at vehicles with drivers which clearly explode) and warehouse fight (e.g. flamethrower man)
confirmed for WW84
>Let's be real you are fighting hardened criminals armed with guns and you don't have illimited strength and resistance
If we were being "real" Bruce Wayner would fall off a roof and die the first night he went out. That wouldn't make for a good story now would it? No, instead we write stories about genius ninja detectives with photographic memories b/c it's interesting. How do you not understand this?
>Also what the fuck does your screen prove. It is an interpretation among many others.
It's literally the canon Batman comic, not an interpretation brainlet.
>So it's a criticism of Suicide Squad and the dceu as a whole. But it doesn't work as a criticism of BvS
The criticism is thrown towards Snyder's interpretation of Batman, and how that character would fit in the greater universe they were establishing, not solely just about BvS.
>mfw even VIDEOGAME DC universe has better story than the movies
It's not interesting that he never kills. And he has killed in the comics and in the best movies. So really no point in fixating on this shit. It's not really a character definying trait and is handled poorly in the comics and brought sometimes to retarded extremes. Batman doesn't premeditate murder but people ought to get killed when things get rough, as he is not superman level and has to use brutal force to overcome his enemies and win. In short bvs batman is as close to a perfect interpretation as it gets.
kill yourself Snyder spic
this tbqhwys
Like this guy? You don't think it's reasonable to shoot at him? What should Batman have done instead?
>$3800 for a toy
>all those other figurines which equals also equal thousands of dollars
How the fuck do people have money for this stuff? $3800?? For a single toy?
Do they just live in squalor and only eat ramen noodles and spend every other penny on toys?
And bvs is a canon movie then, fucking idiot. In the canon comics he has killed as well, mongoloid
I don't understand what he means
If you are going to make a movie about a superhero be true to the goddamn material. Batman swore on oath to never kill, simple as that. Just as retarded as making the Human Torch a black guy in the fantastic four movie. fuck off with this shit.
>But WHY is Superman such a paragon of virtue? He was raised by previously childless farmers in Bumfuck, Midwest, what are the chances they'll take this alien baby who dropped out of the sky and raise him against all odds to be the most virtuous, well-adjusted, charming, intelligent and wonderful person on the face of the planet? How does it happen?
Superman originates in an era when the country life of the simple American farmer was upheld as the paragon of virtue, and predates the modern millennial ethos of the "I hate my parents mayocide now" bourgeoisie that fled rural life and it's values for urban cosmopolitanism.
Not related to the point I was making. If he wants to complain about people being too attached to old comic book characters he shouldn't have built an entire career off using established characters from old stories.
If you work a good job and don't have a gf and never go out anywhere it's not hard to raise a few thousand dollars a month. Why put money in savings when Funko Pops are obviously such a good investment?
Canon to the DCEU, a universe that everyone fucking hates except for a handful of idiots like yourself
Compared to the real Batman that's been successful for decades
>canon Batman
You don't read comics
Stop pretending
kek basically he told soibois to fuck off. I'm starting to like him..
>If you are going to make a movie about a superhero be true to the goddamn material
No! Fuck you!
Also: which source material? Which canon should we stay true to?
Absolutely based
Any other examples of directors flat out not understanding their source material and still denying it years later?
Cool. Didn't say it wasn't impossible but in most cases it's a clash of themes and comes off really forced.
>when a kids cartoon was better written
thank god they trashed his version of the DCEU
imagine thinking that that's some sort of badge of honor
aka Shit writing. I wouldnt have a problem with Batman killing.. Its how he did it in BvSthat was so fucking random and in your face. The whole point in Batman is he doesnt go over the edge and kill, its integral. Oh an the fact in BvS, Batman is scared of Superman killing, yet he crushes people with cars and blows them up... Synder a hack.
It was for the whole spread. The seller probably lost money but he's smarter than most to bail the fuck out of beanie babies 2.0 now.
It really is a stupid rule desu, out of all the combat batman would see, it would seem like he would be indirectly responsible for someone accidentally dying
so his no kill policy would still be void
He wont kill Robin.
That character exists. He's called the punisher.
None of them have even sniffed profit.
There is nothing specifically interesting in adhering so strictly to the no kill rule. The fact that he ends up wasting a couple thugs and mercenaries in the heat of the moment only adds plausibility and help differentiate him from an overpowered character like superman who would certainly have an easier time subduing humans
why is snyder getting so much blame when terrio not only bvs, but JUSTice league
lol faggot
>that 69% drop
It still hurts
The punisher spend his time deliberately looking for people to kill. It's different from batman who doesn't go out of his way to kill, not even in its most violent interpretations.
>did you watch the film?
>Literally mocking me
I'm done, I'm not sure if you're pretending to be retarded or are literally Zack Snyder with a 5yr old's brain.
This coming from the guy that decided to make Miracleman a politics power fantasy
You know what shuts you down completely? Alfred's 4th line in the whole movie. He slaps the paper down next to Bruce showing where he'd tortured and branded that guy and says:
>"New rules?"
If Alfred's calling him out on brutality like that, that means he's had a career of *not* doing shit like it, and if torture's bad, killing is even further from his norm. There's your answer to why there are still arch-villains running around or incarcerated.
Yes exactly. What do people expect, a ol' sock in the jaw and criminals would sleep until police shows up? He would have to basically brutalize people. And what if the stakes are high and people are shooting at you with heavy weaponry. Why have a no kill rule in that case
terrio doesn't go around talking shit like that
I'm convinced it's just a meme. No one raised in a first world country could possibly have the palette for Snyder's wankery. I have no idea how he keeps finding studio work. He must suck a mean dick.
That's just a stupid comic book version. Superman and batman are bigger than the interpretation of some hack writer. Decades of comics and movies, and in some of the best interpretations batman has killed.
roast beef sandwiches beware!
> Dude I turned Swamp Thing into a cold retelling of Orpheus. Praise me!
>Comic batman is the world's greatest detective.
He just knows shit to the point of omniscience. Comicbook writers are too shit to write a decent crime story with actual detective work so they fall back to he's so smart he knows shit i ain't gotta explain and then they just tell us he's the world's greatest detective without showing it.
It may seem weird but that bullet analyzing scene in TDK was more detective work than Batman did in comics through that whole decade when that movie came out.
>There is nothing specifically interesting in adhering so strictly to the no kill rule
It's one of the most interesting thing's about him. His entire interaction with his Rogue's Gallery, Jason Todd, Damian, Talia and Rhas Al Ghul, lose impact if he doesn't have these principles.
Why wouldn't Bruce lead the League of Assassins if he has no problem killing people? Why not let Red Hood gun down every drug dealer in Gotham? Why even come back after Knightfall? Why get mad when Wonder Woman cracks a guys neck and scream at her?
Too bad everyone agrees that final crisis is shit
Read the comics, watch the previous movies. It's not true, that batman doesn't kill
what was the point being made in the comic?
>some of the best interpretations batman has killed
Not really
What?
superhero powers were so arbitrary during the golden age
back then wonderwoman could grow her own dick and fuck herself with it
Orphan Iron-Man.
>Why get mad when Wonder Woman cracks a guys neck and scream at her?
because she set off infinite crisis lmao
>implying Alfred is not referring to the act of branding instead of outright killing them
Maybe he hasn't kill the Joker yet? Maybe he has tried but the Joker manages to get away? You haven't think about that, do you? Huh?
Nolan's batman killed some people. Tim's killed. The children cartoon version doesn't kill for obvious reasons. Nobody really reads the modern comic books and there is no point in adhering strictly to them
He's a bit of a hypocrite. The number of original characters he created is something you can count on your fingers. He's also very hollier than thouh on creator's intent then makes a porn with Dorothy from Oz. Fuck that particular creator's intent, I guess.
This is true, but ironically they rushed DCEU.
>oh, Marvel has created a "cinematic universe" via nearly a dozen films and several years of work?
>Nah, let's just shit out the crossover right away with the world's most profitable director, Zack fucking Snyder, at the helm
>Yeah sounds real good
Oh, and lo and behold, they slow things down and produce a few character films, and things instantly turn around. I'm not really all that invested in studio film, but WB is so incompetent it's funny.
Surpeised he hasnt killed himself due to being a shite father.
Based Z-Dog BTFOing the nerds.
>Why wouldn't Bruce lead the League of Assassins if he has no problem killing people?
You're missing the point retard. BVS batman wasn't some superpowered guy who always killed people and enjoyed doing so. He wasn't always like that. What we see in BVS is an experienced veteran vigilante who after so many years of fighting criminals realizes there is no point in holding back against these people. And in the end of the fucking movie, you see him coming to his senses. Did you even watch the movie?
>Nobody really reads the modern comic books
Snyderfags actually believe this
Lex Luthor's intelligence got nerfed
Terrio doesn't say much. On Twitter he claims the jl script was micromanaged by wb but that's all I heard
Suddenly them getting Eisenberg for Luthor instead of 'Heisenberg' Bryan Cranston makes perfect sense.
...less cool than Aquaman
There is a difference between killing all the time and using massive force in the heat of the moment when appropriate. Nolan's batman was a boyscout yet had to kill in some circumstances. That's good and interesting and makes the character more interesting than in most comic books interpretations. There is nothing interesting in a Bruce that never kills. It is however interesting if Bruce with a no kill principle ends up killing
You honestly think he's cool with him outright playing judge, jury, and executioner, but a little "enhanced interrogation" is where he draws the line? Seriously?
Are you saying his work is derivative? Besides, execution is really the crux of the whole thing anyway.
>Why wouldn't Bruce lead the League of Assassins if he has no problem killing people?
Because there's a difference between killing people who are shooting you with machine guns and being the head of an evil organisation bent on punshing entire societies for decadence
>Why not let Red Hood gun down every drug dealer in Gotham?
Because drugdealing is not punishable by death in civilised countries
>Why even come back after Knightfall?
Because, again, Azrael was using near-lethal force on petty criminals
>Why get mad when Wonder Woman cracks a guys neck
Because that's cold-blooded execution of someone who is helpless and tied up, not self-defense killing of someone heavily armed and trying to kill you
what a shit thread with a bunch of retards arguing about things that don't matter
I'm out
hope some of you enjoyed these
And employing Josh Whedon
oh Steve, Steve, Steve
Definitely derivative but not necessarily in a bad way. I like a lot of his stuff but it's really hit or miss. Some of his stuff has legs and some of it just doesn't.
You're arguing with a moron who can't distinguish between justifiable homicide and cold-blooded murder. If they were capable of making that distinction, they wouldn't still be screeching about Zod. What I find hilarious is that not once does one of them raise a single objection to Doomsday being killed.
He was just beating people up badly for the most part and only used lethal force sometimes against the heavily armed mercenaries because so much was at stake. It made the character more plausible and interesting. He wasn't going around executing people. You are a fucking idiot.
>BVS batman wasn't some superpowered guy who always killed people and enjoyed doing so. He wasn't always like that.
I've seen this defense despite there being NO EVIDENCE in the film that this is the case. Bruce doesn't say it, Alfred doesn't say it, and Snyder has never said it in interviews
>was a synthesis from the best comic book interpretations
Lmao fucking what? Snyder drew on fucking JMS Earth One Superman which got mixed reception at best, and he copied DKR Batman in appearance only. You are a fucking moron.
Actually a capeshit pugilist film sounds pretty rad.
>Nobody really reads the modern comic books
Snyderfags really are delusional
>Nolan's batman killed some people.
There was still a giant scene in Begins with him refusing to kill and many lines in DK about it. It's one of the central themes in the Batman mythos and Nolan understood that.