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Sebastian Peterson
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Oliver Perry
Yes, we can talk about STD. First, let's lay down one ground rule: You must always refer to it by the pejorative "STD" and not DISCO, DIS, DSC or even Star Trek: Discovery.
Now, let's define the typical individuals who want to eliminate discussion of STD on Yea Forums
>Primary: Butthurt /pol/ posters foaming that liberal actors are liberals.
>Secondary: Typical Trekkie contrarians who always hate what's new (until someone thing newer comes along to hate)
>Tertiary: Subset of primary, fans who were children when ENT aired and refuse to admit the two shows are incredibly similar
Kevin Morgan
The thread is dead, Jim
Grayson Butler
RENT FREE
Lincoln Morgan
red angel was a pretty big letdown.
Blake Foster
episode 10.
>we are saving on the budget episode
Brody Lee
Both STD and Orville were fucking terrible this week. Had to re-watch "The Visitor" to cleanse my palate.
Charles Long
every scene with doctor binary is painful to watch.
Joshua Thompson
When was LARPville not terrible?
Samuel Parker
Captain, did I ever tell you about my adopted sister Michael Burnham? When she first greeted me I retreated into my room and slammed the door in a fit of rage. In retrospect that reaction was most illogical. In time however I soon became what she affectionately referred to as her little shadow. She was the very first human to ever attend the Vulcan Learning Center, which regrettably was bombed by logic extremists. They did it to keep Vulcan human-free, you see, since fascism is the most logical form of government, as we ourselves witnessed during the time we visited the Nazi planet. She then ran away from home, into the dense forest of the barren desert of Vulcan's Forge, and got herself killed. Or at least, she would have died, had a being called the Red Angel not appeared to me. It told me her location, assuring that the timeline is forever vandalized, but we tracked her down and saved her. The Red Angel later showed me an apocalyptic vision of complete galactic destruction, but I digress.
Subsequently and out of concern for my own safety, she called me a half-breed, which devastated me to such a degree that I retreated away from her and the danger posed by the logic extremists. Yes, captain, I am aware that I have been called a half-breed on multiple occasions afterward, including by you, to no great offense, but I was sent reeling by that one instance. Most illogical that was, in retrospect. It became something of a cornerstone of my personality, which I later relayed to her, during our visit to Talos IV, which carries the penalty of death for anyone visiting it, while I was on the run from breaking out of a psychiatric ward. Despite her regret over the insult, I assured her that she was still perfect and always made the right decisions, even by accident. Michael Burnham made me the Vulcan I am today, captain. She was an amicable relative.
Lincoln Robinson
>there are people who actually, unironically, literally watch STD
Xavier Cox
There's not a single Star Trek production I haven't seen.
Aaron Nguyen
Same
Samuel Jenkins
It's reportedly huge on Netflix, especially in Germany where it's the #2 most streamed TV series, so yeah, millions watch STD.
Dominic Taylor
>reportedly
Source?
Michael Green
>Germans
If ever there were an ignoble people
Jace Johnson
One more season and it's over.
Juan Kelly
>t. Midnight's Edge
Colton Howard
Is The Orville really that bad? I have seen live view threads here sometimes for it and I was going to check it out. Should I avoid it?
Landon Fisher
>Is The Orville really that bad?
It's like Seth MacFarlane decided to remake a bunch of TNG and VOY episodes, but mostly the bad ones so he wouldn't get sued.
Luis Edwards
>Germany
Oh wow, but what about Zimbabwe? Seriously, who gives a shit
Zachary Cox
Jose Sanchez
>worlds 4th largest economy
>population 83 million
Indeed, who gives a shit.
Jaxson Wilson
When Discovery said the red angel was a "rime traveller" my eyes rolled so hard I got vertigo.
NO
MORE
TIME
TRAVEL
GOD
DAMMIT
Noah Ramirez
Does saru use real arms?
Evan Jones
Brayden Perry
Netflix and CBS care, obviously. It's a big part of the reason why the show was renewed so early in the season.
Connor Gray
A bad episode of TNG is better than a good episode of Discovery in my opinion so I might check it out. Thanks.
Blake Kelly
still needs a bit of work to be pasta.
Ethan Allen
Is it DISCO or DIS or DSC or what?
Alexander Young
>A bad episode of TNG is better than a good episode of Discovery
I've been rewatching TNG lately, and all I can say is, no it's not.
Brandon Young
Bajorans like prophets
Ferengis like profits
Chase Foster
Anybody who claims to like STD is either lying or A paid shill. This thread is dead. Reported.
Isaiah Thomas
>being THIS mad
Hunter Butler
That's why Star Trek has such a rich tradition of memorable German characters.
Aaron Lopez
Not mad, it’s a fact. Nobody wants this here. Nobody likes you. Your marketing will fail. Leave.
STD is not Star Trek
Luis Reyes
Defcom levels of faggitry.
Ryder Myers
>not mad
>throwing a tantrum
Sure, bud.
Blake Barnes
Define what you believe Star Trek is.
Hard Mode: Justify this opinion while being a stationfag
Brandon Sanchez
Kind of a weak whine when Sybok exists
Brayden Allen
Not a tantrum. Look around. You see people wanting to discuss this show? Making memes, jokes? Speculating about new episodes?
No, of course not, that would be an Orville thread
Grayson Stewart
STD ruined Star Trek for me.
Gavin Gonzalez
Never watched but considered trying it when I heard Anson Mount was Pike, but apparently that was just for one season so now I don't care anymore.
Funny that a white actor starts getting praised and the first thing they do is get rid of him.
Juan Jackson
And neglecting to mention the visiting Vulcan ambassador isn't his father.
Sebastian Moore
John Ortiz
The Orville is Star Trek
Nathan Johnson
He was fired because SMG was getting upset at his positive fan reception and demanded it.
Leo Ward
>posting the only good character from your show who didn't even make it through season 1
embarrassing
Mason Thompson
>Funny that a white actor starts getting praised and the first thing they do is get rid of him.
The entire premise of the show is that the protagonist in the first officer and not the captain so they can write each season arc around getting a new captain you fucking retard
Oliver Foster
Is it actually much better now or is it all marketing?
I have watched since episode 3 of season 1
Parker Jenkins
It’s even worse
Joshua Wood
Some is a lot better but some is worse. Instead of being mediocre it now has high highs and low lows.
Leo Morales
so I just watched episode 10 of STD
>tilly still being cringe inducing with her "personality" and quips
>the random LGBT discussion in the spore lab
>burnham getting all emotional all the time
why can't we get something like ep2 again? That one gave me hope the season was actually going in a more classic star trek direction but it degenerated immediately again after
Brayden Wood
>I like to invent shit
Ryan Fisher
Because it’s not Star Trek. It’s legally mandated 25% different
Brayden Ross
>We have a 100% match, the Red Angel is Michael Burnham
>oh no, it's actually her mom
Come on guys, we have 21st Century DNA tests more accurate than this
Also
>Mr. Section 31 Man made a bad call, got Michael's parents killed
>Michael flips out and starts punching the dude in righteuous fury
>ignoring the fact that her bad call started the Klingon War and killed millions
If everyone who lost family in the Klingon War wanted to punch Michael in the face the resulting queue would span two starsystems
Adam Morris
It's better but it is more shot like a movie. You'll see people ranting about it who never saw it. Watch
Why did Burnham start the war?
Matthew Davis
Pike in "The Cage/The Menagerie"
>Captain, there's a broken down space craft that might have survivors. Clear to go check?
>Let's check the factors regarding the planet first, then go down. Their lives are important, but so are those of my crew.
Pike in STD's "Brother"
>Captain, there's a broken down space craft that might have survivors.
>I'M NOT GOING TO LET THEM DIE GET THE FUCK DOWN THERE NOW DON'T QUESTION ME REEEEEEEEEEE
>*Cue Michael Burnham talking down to him with a speech about trust, then telling him she already has a solution*
This is the future we chose.
Connor Young
I wanna see Detmer eat out Olatudine
Mason Davis
STD IS CANCELLED, THIS TIME FOR REAL GUYS I SWEAR!
Levi Gonzalez
to be fair, section 31 mans call wasn't really bad as it was sacrificing people for selfish gain, burnhams call was more for the good of starfleet
Kevin Howard
>I like to invent shit
Brayden Gutierrez
How did she cause the Klingon War? I watched season 1 and I can't remember a single thing about it
Jonathan Myers
>I like to invent shit
Joshua Turner
It doesnt matter. Shes always gonna win and teach everyone the value of friendship and what it means to be in starfleet.
Joseph Evans
How did I invent that? I just watched both.
Justin Parker
>hasn't actually watched an episode
>just reads recaps
Why did she start the war?
Ayden Green
Beamed over to the Klingon ship with Georgiou, got mad when Georgiou got shanked, set her phaser to kill during what was supposed to be a capture mission and plasted the Klingon Prophet guy, turning him into a martyr.
Jason Rodriguez
She steps on a sacred empty husk storage unit.
Eli Perry
>I like to invent shit
Lucas Kelly
>Why did she start the war?
Because she hates Klingons.
Noah Walker
Being this much of a corporate shill
Justin Butler
You seem upset
Nathaniel Gutierrez
HAIL THE BASTARDS
Ayden Sanchez
I'd like a source for that?
Ryder Williams
Literally what happens during the episode, watch it again if you don't believe me.
Joseph Martinez
TNG ruined star trek for me
Jack Perry
Hilldawg is a Trekkie?
Christopher Wright
Haha. You got one or two guys ranting about how they hate STD and they clearly haven't even seen the first episode.
This is great.
Joseph Bell
Sure is Midnight's Edge in here
Grayson Garcia
Imagine watching STD when you could watch DS9 instead
Eli Scott
What the FUCK are you talking about?
Zachary Collins
No dumbass, that's part of the show, but it's not why she started the war. It's explained in the very first episode, but you have TO ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW.
It's not going to be any any half assed recaps or wikipedia pages.
Oliver King
Orvillecucks literally cannot stop seething
Henry Ross
Why else would they fire the best thing about their show
>111876619
She didn’t. She killed the Klingon torchbearer, but this wasn’t really provocation to the Klingons since they were gunning for a fight anyway. She tried to do a mutiny to fire first, but was unsuccessful so she didn’t start the war that way. She did kill T’Kuvma but the war was happening with or without him.
It’s just a plot detail that wasn’t thought through like every other one.
Aiden Morgan
Pike was angry that he and the Enterprise were ordered to stay away during the war. The two situations are totally different. Plus, having the admiral tell him he was told to stay away because if the Federation lost, the best of us would still be alive to carry on our ideas.
It might not be perfect, I certainly don't think it is, but at least it's trying a new take on Star Trek.
Josiah Cook
This place is gonna be so much fun when FOX finally pulls the plug on that LARP shit
Caleb Wright
Yeah I dropped the entire show at that point
Christopher Sullivan
Boom someone watched the show.
Isaiah Sullivan
>It's not going to be any any half assed recaps or wikipedia pages
Why? This outta be rich.
Ethan Davis
Fact is, CBS is scared of the power ME, Nerdrotic, Doomcock, Egotastic and channels within their group. Not only is their excellent reporting exposing their corporate lies but they’re helping fans who’ve been fucked over by their shitty shenanigans, like Anas Abdin who is winning his lawsuit against STD ripping off his indie game, and helping Axanar’s Alec Peters produce a feature that will be better than anything STD related
Evan Cruz
How did episode 2 even happen considering the rest of the season
Alexander Campbell
>man racist misogynists on the internet are saying in a mocking way that Michael is probably the Red Angel, but we've written that Michael IS the Red Angel! How can we get around this so that we don't prove the manbabies right but we still have the Red Angel be a strong fierce smart woman of colour directly related to Michael Burnham?!
And so, we find ourselves, where we currently are
Owosekun would have been a better choice, unironically
Elijah Hughes
Who the fuck is Owesekun
Zachary Brown
read
She didn't start the war. The name of the first episode is "the vulcan hello". It's because the klingons kept warring with the vulcans and it wasn't until the vulcans fired back was there peace.
So all your dumbshit ranting for weeks, is just embarrassing. The title of the first fucking episode proves your a jackass. lol
Ian Morgan
That really doesn't change anything, especially when that was not explained at all as the reason in the episode. It literally comes off as "Pike gets mad, Michael talks down to him and has a solution." Honestly, you writing that gave more thought into that interaction then the actual episode did.
Besides, ordered to stay away or not, it goes against Pike's nature from what's been established.
Easton Russell
Black lady who works on the bridge
I don't think she's had any lines in the show but Pike refers to her a lot
Jeremiah Martinez
Doesn't answer my question and in fact by being a recap of the episode proves your own point as false. Simply brilliant strategy you got there.
Wyatt Long
You mean Michael?
Cameron Butler
>damage control
Jeremiah Baker
Even pic related is better than this trash
Christian Fisher
>Primary: Butthurt /pol/ posters foaming that liberal actors are liberals.
>Secondary: Typical Trekkie contrarians who always hate what's new (until someone thing newer comes along to hate)
>Tertiary: Subset of primary, fans who were children when ENT aired and refuse to admit the two shows are incredibly similar
What if you're none of those and just recognie STD as being another shitty modern reboot created by an increasingly inept Hollwyood featuring boring politically cast characters in lame stories that shit on the original series in spite of the fact the only reason they have jobs is because of said series? Recognizing shitty television makes you a contrarian racist now?
Landon Bennett
Listen you got caught ranting about something being horrible you've never watched.
Just take a couple plays off
Jordan Miller
Jesus Christ bro, you better be trolling.
Colton Rivera
>Orville thread
>Comfy posting, jokes about the show, appreciation for its plotlines, discussion of its themes
>Friendliness and positivity as well as some good natured appreciation of hotties on the show
>STD thread
>STD is not Star Trek
>Bickering about bad plot lines and characters
>Discussion if Midnights Edge reports about how it can’t legally be Star Trek
>Negativity and derision are the dominating themes
Adrian Morris
Perhaps it has not occured that this thread is not just you arguing with one other person? & are my only posts to /trek/ in days. Tripfaggots wore out my patience.
So, instead of shifting the goalposts left and right, how about you you address my actual points? Or is moving on to non sequitors your next tactic?
Juan Powell
I'm not sure you really understand the spirit of the obi-wan maymay
Austin Cruz
Because one is a bad fan fiction that pretends to be Star Trek, and the other is a bad fan fiction that IS Star Trek.
Christopher Brown
And yet The Orville has 10x the viewership easily
Christopher Jackson
>People will defend this
youtube.com
Owen Gonzalez
So why the fuck would they want to capture the Red Angel? It's only doing good, don't these retards realize that by doing that then she won't be able to save their asses anymore?
Alexander Hill
That's my point.
Ryan Martinez
They mention it in a one-off line in the current ep. Something about punching the holes int time allowing CONTROL to sneak through one and thus get to the future where it can get the tech to wipe out everything (yes, its stupid as shit on multiple levels and opens up far more issues than it solves).
Colton Hernandez
Because nobody writing this show has any forethought or planning more advanced than "this will be a twist". There are no ideas for clever concepts or interesting dilemmas. The Trekkian dialogues of the past about important issues are gone. Instead it's been replaced by a hollow mystery that nobody cares about
>WHAT are the red bursts???
>WHAT is the red angel???
>WHY is the red angel time traveling?
>WHO is the red angel???
Justin White
>people respond positively to Captain Pike
>let's drop him and make a show about Section 31, the single most retarded part of the show
Tyler Johnson
Connor Roberts
i can't tell if threads that claim to support this disaster by CBS are for real or satire
Landon Rodriguez
"fan fiction" at least implies the writers are fans, that's a bit generous for STD
Caleb Jackson
It's actually the other way around.
Thomas Watson
What the fuck are you talking about? What show about section 31?
Nathaniel Turner
CHECKED AND ENGAGED THE GET DRIVE
Luis Bell
Season 2 has almost entirely focused on Section 31, to the point where they are now the main antagonist as their AI is going to be the baddy.
Also Section 31 are getting their own spinoff show with Michelle Yeoh, because everyone loved them so much (they didn't) on a show everyone watched (nobody did)
Nolan Campbell
>population 83 million
>68 million shitskins
>11 million polaks looking for work
>4 million "germans"
Jonathan Bennett
>116 posts
>11 GETS
Thats not surprising, that's like right where statistically you would expect it to be.
Dylan Rodriguez
>Also Section 31 are getting their own spinoff show with Michelle Yeoh
Jesus christ this could be potentially the worst show ever produced.
William Evans
>ME, Nerdrotic, Doomcock, Egotastic
CBS is afraid of three YouTube channels with a combined subscriber base of less than 200K and a porn site?
Jose Perez
Who is the Red Herring?
Adrian Williams
Is it wrong that I like star trek (outside of nutrek flicks) watched a bit of STD and then just got bored/disgusted and just stopped caring? Like I'm not even interested in it to see how bad it gets (or potentially good). I give the Orville that chance but my patience wears thin.
Nathan Bell
I will not be watching that absolute shite. I’ll watch everything Star Trek but a section 31 show is the absolute in canon antithesis of Trek.
David Hughes
>catching up on the last two episodes of std
>robot lady is being taken over by the flashing dots
>"what's this augment do, let you breath?"
>she turn on the away crew
>"We have to space her and that means shes dead"
Why couldn't they have just teleported her onto the ship with the entire security team waiting for her and subdued her? Did they forget about teleporters? Why is the writing so SHIT?
Isaac Brooks
They've influenced the online conversation to an insane degree. If you go on twitter, their reporting about STD not legally being Star Trek but 25% different is pervasive. Their memes and reviews attract a lot of attention. Mecharandom42 also helps, but she's a literal screeching harpy from hell, so she's not quite as effective.
Jose Thompson
Kevin Mitchell
No but it's fun, see, because Michelle Yeoh is playing the main character, a genocidal empress of an alternate universe where she would wipe out races out of existence for saying her eyeshadow was poorly considered.
Isaac Thompson
>not one of mention of that event horizon moment when leland gets his eyes pierced
Mad props to this show, they got a lot of fucking balls
Nathaniel Parker
So it's a entire show about the terran empire?
Fun
Elijah Brown
this is why I just make my own threads when I want to talk about star trek
generals are cancer
Leo Walker
They were scared enough of a low budget crowdfunded fan film and other projects surrounding it.
Joseph Nelson
No, she's just in control of Section 31 in the Trek universe, so it'll just be canon breaking and terrible.
Leo Hall
Exactly. They were scared of Axanar, that its quality would be so good that nobody would want to watch normal Star Trek movies.
It wasn't because Alec Peters took millions of dollars in Kickstarter money to make a film for an IP he didn't have the rights to, and didn't even have the decency to make it a not-for-profit enterprise. He used that money to make a film studio to turn around commercial projects, while also selling his own Trek merch (including coffee for some reason).
Prelude to Axanar was dope, but Peters is a fool and brought the lawsuit on himself.
Lincoln Carter
just as bad as any other mass replier
Easton Morris
Anyone else notice that ME has been radio silent for almost a week and hasn't come out with anything ST related in over 2 weeks?
Sebastian Sanders
Paramount shut down Axanar, not CBS.
Brayden Hill
They literally just posted a review shitting on The Red Angel.
Samuel Perez
As much as Alec Peters actions in the marketing realm were indefensible, they knew very well that fans wanted something within or close to the style of The Original Series that Axanar portrayed. Bringing some of the stories or settings from FASA onto a larger screen would also be a popular decision.
Having them endorse these projects would not be good business for them either because it would show to the public that 'amateurs' can do it better at home or in a warehouse better than multi billion dollar corporations with all the funding in the world from their peers. And as such they canned all these possible projects with these draconian guidelines for fan media.
They thought they could make it without the core audience that has stuck around for 50 years, but Star Trek Beyond proved them wrong.
Asher Clark
It was a joint lawsuit.
Jonathan Johnson
Alec Peters DID endorse STD, though. Read his blog.
Michael Walker
link?
Jose Morales
>pretends to be too stupid to google "midnight's edge"
Shilling only works when it's less obvious, breh
Jaxon Stewart
Why would an eye scanner thing even be capable of doing something like that?
Nicholas Reed
At the same time though, if you don't defend your IP when situations like Peters arise, then you'll lose your ability to defend it at all. If a dude is openly raising millions for a production based on an IP you own, and you do nothing, then that opens the gates for someone else to take even greater advantage next time and get away with it (because the courts will ask why you did nothing last time).
Paramount/CBS were happy to allow productions like Star Trek Continues and New Voyages to carry forward as long as they made it clear they were fan productions and were made available for no cost to the audience, and did not profit off the IP. Axanar forced their hand and fucked things up for everyone.
I think Paramount and CBS have good reasons for thinking they don't need their core audience. That core audience made Nemesis a bomb and barely tuned into Enterprise. Star Trek hadn't been 'cool' for a while, mostly because of the nerdy perception of its fans. Making it appeal to a broader audience made sense, even if it didn't result in a good product.
Henry James
I'm literally looking at their yt page and the last upload was 6 days ago. I would have uploade a pic initially but Yea Forums is shit and I'm not paying for a pass.
Oliver Martin
The dev who is suing Star Trek gave an update, seems like CBS is fucked and doesn't know what it's doing:
>First, they argued that they did nothing wrong and that my complaint (the lawsuit) is frivolous (which the court later ruled in my favor for this part)
>Then they partially admitted access and copying but that they copied the "de minimis" (the allowable amount) and "Scènes à faire" (common scenes in a specific genre or theme).
>Then they argued (and I can't believe I'm saying this...) that what they copied has no similarities.
>And finally, they are now saying that they did not copy because we came with our ideas independently.
Liam Reed
You're asking too many questions. Just turn your brain off and applaud them for being "brave" because some notshill user said so.
Sebastian Taylor
It's on their secondary After Dark channel
Matthew Hall
All that shit is always hours long. I don't have that much time to waste on shit like that.
Alexander Rodriguez
Rigged by Georgiou
Aaron Nelson
>acronym for most modern sci-fi intergalactic interspecies orgy show is STD
oh boy
Landon Hall
Why does the camera have to track around and spazz out during normal conversations in STD?
Hunter Cox
They are afraid the auidence will get bored if people are talking on screen without any explosions.
Justin King
>burnham getting all emotional all the time
yea she seriously gets on my nerves a lot and I hate how she always overemphasizes her lines
Lucas Gonzalez
The 15 minute rule is still one of the worst sentences ever written in Star Trek history.
Jack Carter
Site to site transported a needle into the eyepiece
Cooper Jenkins
>raised in the Vulcan way
>only learned out to sperg out like a Vulcan
most logical
Daniel Walker
Because the producers don't understand the 180 degree rule.
Thomas Evans
Why didn't they just teleport the robot person into the brig?