Why didn't they use the much faster and more maneuverable Y-wings?

Y Wing BETTER.

TLJ bombers are awful. Besides it was Poe in an Xwing that destroyed the Dreadnaught

It wasn't bad at all, but it's kind of ridiculous to have a solemn, angsty YA dystopia as a prequel to what is essentially a naive shounen anime

From epic daddy issues-base tragedy to Luke playing with toy spaceships and wishing he was a grownup

Why didnt the bombers hyperspace ram the Dreadnaught?

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Why did Rogue one have such better space visuals than The Last Jedi?

>invest trillions of dollars, billions of pounds of raw material, years of construction, and a crew of tens of thousands to staff a dreadnought or destroyer
>can be taken out by a couple snub ships piloted by one person and costs maybe a couple thousand credits to make
Why do people still use big ships now? Why didn't the Empire invest in many smaller ships on par with X-Wings and forget the big ships? They're just big targets.
Fuck the militaries of Star Wars are fucking retarded.

Got a guy who could actually direct action in both space and the ground.

why didn't they use the Katana Fleet?

It was made by someone who actually gave a fuck about Star Wars, compared to some cuck burning out from drug addictions yelling "Throw it all out! Throw everything out! Fuck the history and the lore!"

why dont they just invent hyperspace missiles?

More talented director. It’s an art form and some people are just better

why did they bother with that? Why not set one of those ships to autopilot to hyperspace ram the first order ship? Did they just not think of it?

>Star Wars are fucking retarded.
There you go.

According to the movie, the area of outer space they were floating in had gravity. Y-wings would be incapable of carrying such a heavy payload so they used the giant wingless bombers to drop the bombs in a pro-gravity outer space battlefield.

Rogue 1 was directed by a guy who has talent and experience with large action sequences, while TLJ was directed by a guy who has no talent or experience for battle sequences and virtually no experience with action of any sort.
The other problem is the Johnson also clearly doesn't understand how to direct or write anything other than confined dramas about a handful of characters. Which is why the plot spends ten times more time on stupid bullshit like canto bright and poe vs holdo than it does on the climatic action sequences.

For reference, here's some battle clips from Gareth Edwards's first film that was made on a 500k budget, where he was in charge of direction, photography, visual effects and production.
youtube.com/watch?v=nUuUT9ncCQw

Are you fucking stupid. Do people still not know how those fucking bombers worked? Gravity pushes down on you ya? Artificial gravity does the same thing ya? Objects in motion need an opposing force to stop ya? Guess what there was no fucking floor to stop them so the minute they leave the ship they just continue down.

Fuck the movie bad but this made sense

Shit wrong video.

youtube.com/watch?v=S0hgfp_1ywM

The same kind of logic can be made about real life weapons. A huge ship can be royaly fucked up by a single anti-ship missile, for example.

yeah, that's kinda why nobody uses battleships anymore.

Why did TLJ bombers have to fly towards the dreadnaught? Can't they fly out in random directions with their bomb bay oriented in enemy direction and simply spew bombs at them?

No reason to not immediately release their payloads towards the first order. 99% of their bombs were wasted doing nothing

No reason to even fly towards the enemy. Just launch the bombs towards the enemy from whereever the fuck they are. They aren't missiles and don't need to gain speed to penetrate on impact. They're bombs.

Because the director and DOP matter lot for the visual aspect. Gareth Edwards is known for his visual sense, he's abit like Ridley Scott. On the other hand you have JJ a Abrams and Rian Johnson, they don't have an atom of artistic fiber in them, they just want to make movies! Of course they hired completely bland DOP. It's really disturbing because the guy who film TFA is not the one who filmed TLJ and they're really filmed in the same crappy way, it's just the colours that are different, generic blockbuster teal/orange grade in TFA, grey, washed out and bleak in TLJ.

considering the whole plot is that they're being chased couldn't they have just spared the bombers and dropped the bombs out an airlock as they flew away

Why didn't Naboo lightspeed ram the trade federation blockade from the planets surface?

I mean I can sorta think of a reason why they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't want debris raining down on the plant at a fraction of the speed of light if they were hyperspace rammed.

Same with the Battle of Coruscant. Why didn't they just use their basically unlimited supply of energy to launch ftl kinetic vehicles through every single enemy vessel as soon as the separatists left hyperspace?

Because it would make sense

The movie sucked honestly but the battle scenes were some of the best Star Wars had had, ones like the desert planet were the ost visceral and close to reality the series has seen yet.

How great would it be if in episode 9 the Empire caught on and started using lightspeed ram like crazy.

>but the battle scenes were some of the best Star Wars had had
Yes. Undisputibly as scifi space battles go they were goat. The problem is that the physics and strategies used made no context in the larger SW universe canon. I guess they are retconning it so they can have "cooler" battles going forward?

Star Wars is just space WW2
Y-Wings are the equivalent of dive bombers and torpedo bombers, stuff actually used against enemy ships
Rian wanted muh heavy bombers but used them point blank against a big ship instead of how they should be used, i.e. really really far above enemy industrial centers

Why didn't they just sacrifice one of their large ships and lightspeed into it? Surely someone would have thought of this at this point right?

Is a victory scenario even possible for the Resistance? The First Order infrastructure is completely unknown to them. Without taxation of controlled worlds or known shipyards they amassed the largest standing fleet in the galaxy.

This isn't an Empire created by, existing on, and controlling the worlds they know and live on. So what if they kill the Supreme Leader? The next in line steps up into place, and the next and the next, each with the same unknown, possibly infinite quantity of resources at his disposal.

They can't do that because lightspeed ramming has been outlawed and is illegal according to nusw canon.

>Without taxation
who let GRR Martin into the thread?

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Because then they'd have to justify to themselves why they didn't simply target the oscillator weak point of Starkiller base with a ship launched at lightspeed.

It's already established in the movie that Starkiller base's shield is completely incapable of stopping threats traveling at lightspeed.

The Empire should have made it illegal to attack their Death Star installations. Taking care of that particular weak spot in their legislature would have saved them a lot of trouble, really.

With the Empire, it was implied they controlled worlds and controlled resources, allowing them to amass an unstoppable fleet.

The First Order didn't control known worlds or resources, but amassed an unstoppable fleet. What does this imply?

>What does this imply?
That Star Wars is stupid.

>the EBIL NAZI first order refuses to commit war crimes even if it would be an easy and clean total victory
>Vice Admiral Gender Studies put in charge of fleet
>immediately commits a war crime
Disney fucked themselves over pretty bad with this one

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what if every planet had FO sympathy and just didn't like the fucktards in the republic

I can tell you exactly why.

They remembered that Lucas based the space combat in A New Hope on WWII aerial combat.

So they thought "Oh. We need a scene where B-17s are making a bombing run and getting shot down."

That's it. That's the only reason for these ugly fucking things. Why not Y-Wings? Why not B-Wings? Because they wanted B-17s in space.

It would make sense, like would you support a government that decided to dismantle it's military because they thought it would cause wars?

For my y-wing bros itt.

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Agreed. Characters were boring and explaining the back story to a vent was retarded but the battles were great, especially the star fighter stuff.

They don't often lightspeed ram shit because everthing has a fucking shield or something. The ship they rammed in TLJ was moving so it didn't have it's shield up

It's really the patrician starfighter.

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>Star Wars is just space WW2
You don't say.
youtu.be/lNdb03Hw18M

Why isn't the Republic shown to be the bad guys in this? They failed to defend their people from an obvious and massive threat. Even no-name dudes slumming in prison cells on Canto knew that the First Order was spending a massive amount of credits on weapons.

Retard-tier militaries still use aircraft carriers though which are just as vulnerable as battleships, more expensive and a higher priority target for the enemy

It did have its shields up.

The novelization says Holdo's ship had super fancy shields which held together long enough to breach the enemy shields. Or something.

>Why isn't the Allies shown to be the bad guys in this? They failed to defend the Czechs and Poles from an obvious and massive threat. Even no-name dudes slumming in prison cells in Monte Carlo knew that the Nazis was spending a massive amount of reichsmarks on weapons.

>what if I told you aircraft carriers are just big ships that carries lots of smaller faster moving vehicles

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How are they just as vulnerable as battleships? They carry squadrons which regularly patrol the surrounding airspace. That's an exponentially massive radar imprint of their surrounding areas to detect incoming threats in.

The biggest pet peeve I have about star wars , is that apart from the battle of Coruscant in episode 3, which is very short anyway, there isn't capital ship on capital ship combat. You would think that for a series called STAR WARS, there would be combat in space, but that occupies such a tiny fraction of the series that it annoys me that this franchise is so mishandled. It really is a pity because the art direction, props and concept art that went into it is top notch.

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>I'm going to excuse this plot hole by out right denying the reality demonstrated by every other installment in the history of the franchise and IP.
>Because it's a bomber

If that isn't the most representative comment of nu-wars incompetence, I don't know what is

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Lucas mostly wanted to focus on dogfights but I agree it would be interesting to see more capitalship action.

Retconning a lot considering Vader's Destroyer nul and voided pink hair's suicide move

Daily reminder that the Empire rounded up and exterminated over six million Jedi, and if you try to contest these facts you're literally an Imperial

I'm not denying it and I'm outright saying it should happen again, the jedi have been responsible for all the galaxies wars.

they focus a bit on it in tcw but it's mostly reddit tier "brave new" tactics which doesn't really mean anything when you have literally never seen what the usual tactics look like

That's mainly because for the most part, Rebels didn't have capital ships that could go toe to toe with Imperial Star Destroyers. And even then a capital ship combat in Star Wars is basically exchanging turbolaser fire until one party's shields give out. Case in point: Ep. IV.

In the expanded universe there is tons of ship to ship combat, because the rebels in order to actually win against the Empire have to field actual fleets. It would be extremely retarded to expect that they took over the galaxy with a bunch of x-wings.

did the worse visuals subvert your expectations?

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Portraying convincing capital ship combat is really fucking hard. You need to be capable of modeling all the little turrets and gun emplacements on multiple kilometer-long ships moving independently, and bits of the ships getting blown off as they exchange fire. That just isn't possible using the practical effects of the original trilogy, and the CGI tech wasn't there for something like that until the time of Ep.3.

Just think about the opening scene of A New Hope, when Vader's star destroyer is attacking Leia's blockade runner; it's just little red and green laser beams zapping back and forth between random spots on the two model, with a little pyrotechnic on the rebel ship model when it get's damaged. That would have looked awful as a large-scale battle where the capital ship combat was what we were supposed to be paying attention to. The big ships worked much better as a backdrop to simpler action like fighter combat where the fighters just explode after a single hit.

As for why we haven't seen more capital ship combat in the new movies, blame Disney for not wanting to spend enough on special effects.

In fact the way they talk in 4 about the fighters being used it would be best to assume it was not common to use fighters without capitalship support.

This, but unironically. How the French and English acted in 1939-1940 towards Poland and Finland was reprehensible.

those are like the size of pokeballs tho

Everything happens in the EU, I'm just saying why there wasn't much ship to ship combat in the movies.
>bunch of x-wings
And A-wings, Y-wings and B-wings.

>The movie sucked honestly but the battle scenes were some of the best
The battle scenes are the only reason to watch these movies after RotJ

The empire only controlled worlds out to the outer rim. Past that is the rest of the universe. Filed with other galaxies, other worlds, and entirely unknown civilizations. If the empire was in control of Europe, the first order already controlled Asia by the beginning of episode 7. That is how they built the fleet.

After TFA I thought that First Order/Snoke found some kind of Star Forge from KotOR.
But that would be too interesting.

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IT WAS RETARDED TO DROP BOMBS IN SPACE

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user Y-Wings would have sold more

Could have had Snoke be from the ancient hidden sith empire that turned Revan to the dark side too but again that would have been too interesting.

It would of been significantly better then "Muh planet sized death star".

It could of been some secret that they were building or moving it while pretending it was some research outpost, but only the rebellion knew the truth but the senate wouldn't listen. So they need to find proof and expose the traitorous first order element in the government. Because if they just blow it up without proof it could cause civil war. But they were too late... it fires a single shot... killing an entire solar system or whatever.

not to mention antimagnetic coatings were a thing back in.... WW2

This beast is so overpowered it wreck both multiple starfighters and star destroyers and is as fast an x-wing.

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>still mad at my kid self for losing some of the pieces to my y-wing lego
>and the b-wing
>and the tie fighter and interceptor
>and the lambda dropship
fuck me

Also why would space ships be made out of big thick heavy iron? Wouldn't they be built of aluminum, titanium, or other (likely non magnetic) alloy that was light AND strong?

Y-Wings being slow was due to the video games trying to make them different than the X-Wings.

This pic is from the production of RotJ.

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Funny thing is that before they made up the stupid magnetic explanation people just speculated they were launched out the bottom and momentum carried them the rest of the way to the target since low grav and no air friction. Then they opened their mouths and said its magnets. Also in the old EU they had materials like plasteel and durasteel. Plasteel was used to explain why storm trooper armor looked like plastic and durasteel was the metal they built everything out of. And that was supposed to be stronger and lighter then steel. As for how megnetic they are, plasteel seems to be none ferrous while duastell is ferrous.

based r1

Why are they called Y wings when there's not Y in the galaxy's alphabet? Same for X, B, and A

Gareth Edwards has a good eye for nostalgia, and not in the shallow JJ Abrams way.

>The Y-wing is the workhorse of the rebel fleet

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>tfw we will never see a v-wing

lewd

penis shaped rendili cruisers would be rather problematic - symbols of toxic masculinity.

They never say the letters in the movie, the letters are just for merchandising.

George couldnt afford a second engine for the full size Y-wing filming ep 4

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>youtube.com/watch?v=maZWYBCKgIg
>themes from disneywars wish they were as memorable as this

That would actually be a good explanation for why no one responded to the resistance's signal at the end. Holdo just made them look like space Al Qaeda.

is that the background for the rogue squadron mission screen?

Did Rian subvert your expectations?!!!!

>Whats a battle ship?
>whats a torpedo boat?
>whats a destroyer?

First thing that came to my head too

It's not quick or flashy, but it gets the job done.

After watching LoGH I just can't take the scale of SW space battles seriously anymore