Why do people hate this masterpiece again?

Cos it's full of stupid shit user, dont act dumb.

1 was shot on film, 2 and 3 on digital iirc

I think this is an honest answer. The Jedi don't come out as brilliant either, and it will get worse with the subsequent movies.
Some criticism is unfair - the trade federation part I think is Georgie Boy winking at something that is part of the inspiration for SW - dune. How well it was played is debatable.
I prefer the prequels to the ST by a long shot, but they are bad movies.

It was the only one of the prequels that actually looked like a Star Wars movie. I consider it on par or slightly better than Force Awakens.

I would do unspeakable things to Natnat from this movie
>those lips, that smile, those eyes

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1 was partially digital. 2 was fully digital. Both sucked.

It's just leftover from people being REALLY hyped for a new Star Wars after so long and being letdown because it didn't meet their expectations.

The hype was really insane back then. Still, TPM is my favorite of the prequels and the only one I can tolerate sitting through.

RotS is absolutely overrated and it boggles me moreso than why TPM isn't liked more.

Have sex, incel.

the prequels had a weird charm and were absolutely full of imaginative designs. the planets, aliens, ships, everything.
now every sequel trilogy alien is beige and wrinkly and the planets are bland

At least we can agree that AotC is a steaming pile of dogshit

The writing and directing are notoriously shit. Confused tone, illogical characters, monotonous and uninteresting dialogue, abundance and over reliance on cgi, awful acting, and a blatant cynical cashgrab exploiting people's nostalgia for a less than sub par film franchise

at least stuff actually happened in the prequels

Astoundingly correct.

Binks. CGI frog cunt in Ocean. Mitichlorians. Do a barrel role. Etc
How do you not know user?

Padme is wooden and soulless. The Neimoidians are as bad as the Gungans and cringe. The pod race announcers are super cringe. The Droids With Attitudes are unfunny and cringe.

The rest is fine.

the battle droids' voices are more iconic than everything in the sequels put together
roger roger

The Phantom Menace gets better and better with the years. Prove me wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=WQBV9pXleF0
youtube.com/watch?v=pUbXyd-fK8Q

After watching the tragedy (and not even the one of Darth Plagueis the Wise) that was The Force Awakens, something impossible happened. I found a place in my heart for The Phantom Menace. Say what you want about this movie, and it is a surrealist painting of problems, but at least George Lucas tried to tell an original story and didn't resort to a third recycling of a Death Star plot.

They don't approve.

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I can't hate a movie that spawned this absolute UNIT of a racing game.

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she is 16 or so in the movie you dumb fuck

Nope.

The prequels look and feel nothing like Star Wars and came across as several tiers below in taste and quality. That's exactly why everyone hates it.

how the fuck did lightsabers look the best in the phantom menace

>NuWars
>good

Yeah but she's also hot as fuck my dick is diamonds for her

Yes and she sucked. She was better in The Professional when she was much younger. George completely mishandled her and frankly probably just miscast her because she never developed chemistry with anyone.

>The prequels look and feel nothing like Star Wars
Well TMP shouldn’t, it’s before the war. But Mos Espa looks just like Mos Eisley and Coruscant is amazing. Sorry you didn’t get your AT-AT and Bubba Fett porn.

That's exactly the criticism of NuWars, but guess what? It's CANON! The movies are Star Wars, and your EU headcanon is stupid.

you've been brainwashed my a fucking meme. sad.

Is it okay to like Jar Jar now?

Yippie!

Phantom Menace will always be the best looking Star Wars film because it was shot on the highest quality film stock.

shoo disneyshill

Da Da Dadada
DA DA DADADA

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I don't think so. I think it's a combination of nostalgia and now being able to compare the new movies with the prequels.

But for me The Phantom Menace gets better and better with time.
youtube.com/watch?v=UD8tounIou4

>1 was partially digital
Thats a bit of an overstatement. Lucas said he shot three scenes for the phantom menace in digital and challenged people to pick them out.
One of them is definitely the night scene at anakin's house when qui gon is telling him about midichloriens (the blacks give it away).
Lucas really wanted to push technology for the prequels, particularly with digital cameras.
Unfortunately being on the cutting edge means episode 2 and 3 look really dated because of their resolution. It's a big reason why all the miniature composits look like ps2 cut scenes with no depth of field.
Phantom menace, on a technical level, is really impressive, its problems are mostly with the script and direction. I'd love to throw lucas under the bus and blame his ego for being a control freak but the fact is he couldn't get anyone else to write or direct the prequels. It was spielberg who finally told him he should just do it himself.
The rest is history, for better or worse.

Did you download that unreal engine 4 techdemo some guy made of racer? Pretty neat.

youtube.com/watch?v=5DzZZUF24b8

Yeah, great stuff, but it could only keep my attention for a few minutes.

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>the force is now a physical thing inside of someones body instead of magic
>jarjar
>politics and council meetings
>the whole laser door scene
>we abduct children and have them indoctrinated

qui-gon is the protagonist.
find better critics.

>thinking film is only factor in how a film looks

as if imagination, spectacle and scenery all dont matter. people really downplay how good aotc & rots look despite visuals like courasant, jedi temple, geonosis battle, naboo scenary, etc etc

>but muh film stock

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45 min of pod racing, jar jar ,needless cgi , the kid acting.

I miss tight mid-rifts.

the forced romance subplot in AotC was so bad that it overshadows everything else

Why is Geonosis so good and Jakku so bad?

Do you think Padme ever took advantage of how long Jar Jar's tongue is?

>forced

yeah just vital character development for 2 of the most important characters in the trilogy

who needs it am i right?

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I feel like Attack of the Clones could've benefited being split into two movies. Felt like there was far too much going on.

>tfw no evian sized cock

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Exactly, romance to make the movie a little more humane. Ohhhhh such a terrible idea.

Jakku is mostly plain desert. The visual density doesn't compete with the sequences of Geonosis.

FWIW I thought Jakuu was the best part of that bad movie, but more because of the tone and character set-up of Rey rather the visuals.

>I just want more laser piu piu piu and more long lightsaber fights like in my video games!

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shouldn't you be at school right now?

why did they never use the force speed never again

>vital character development
they could have done it between 1 and 2 and nobody would have given a shit
but no
we have the audience sit through 1h of this bullshit because the plot is really fucking thin

>advertise the a war of clones
>here have some shitty romance instead

>removing R2-D2 and C-3PO

Literally fucking kill yourself.

Did you not watch the movie?

P-pottery

There was battle scenes in the movie. And the most important thing is developing the characters not just showing battle scenes with no purpose.

the CG shit with the battlefield was awful

Is it some kind of elaborate shitposting?

>lets have anakin murder a bunch of sandpeople
such character development

Who the hell is the target audience of the prequel trilogy supposed to be? On one hand you have Jar Jar Binks and kid Anakin, clearly meant for children, yet how are children supposed to know what "senators" are or what a "vote of no confidence" is. I sure as hell didn't.

>they could have done it between 1 and 2 and nobody would have given a shit

Bullshit.

People already criticise the romance plot and Anakins and Padmes affection for eachother DESPITE it being explored for 1/4 of the film.

Imagine how much shit people would throw if none of that was shown and they had to just assume it all. They wouldn't stop crying about lack of development.

That's not the point. It shouldve been better.

George was blatantly attempting to recreate Empire with Episide 2 and it just fell flat. While ESB was known for "I love you. I know." Episode gave us "sand" and very awkward banter in the grass by bad actors.

Anakin and Padme were simply 1) miscast and 2) mishandled.

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>I will make it legal
Sheev was so fucking based and the best part of the prequels by far

It’s a family film though it’s clearly aimed at more younger audience than AotC and RotS.

fuck the romance
it was awful since hayden can't act
also where the fuck was the main antagonist for the movie
>lets shove him in the last 10min and have him escape just to resolve his plot in the first 30min of the next movie

Dude, have you really watched the movies?

Seemed dumb. I felt like a lot of the fun of the original trilogy was pretending it was part of some multi-episode chronicle but without actually seeing it. Episode 4-6 did a great job of feeling like out-of-context parts of a giant space fantasy adventure serial. We didn't actually need to see how Anakin became Vader. And the prequels don't feel like adventure serials at all, and really only serve to try and give an unnecessary nod to just about every bit of lore hinted at in the originals, which essentially kills the charm of it. Lucas fucked up and made actual horrible movies out of pretend adventure serials that were never meant to exist.

He hasn't seen them in years and just goes off whatever meme reviewers tell him. I rewatched em a little while back and I was surprised at well they held up

>hayden can’t act
youtube.com/watch?v=LVczx7GIWXc&app=desktop
youtube.com/watch?v=Q_VHW4VDm6k&app=desktop

Anakin & Padme romance is between two inexperienced youths. It is purposefully more cringey, awkward, but also more sincere and open. They didn't really play games with each other like Han & Leia did.

Han & Leia romance hasn't aged well. The bad boy persona and Leia falling for it just feels dated to me. I don't buy it as much as I do Anakin & Padme.

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Why didn't Sheev just rape Padme?

>muh antagonist

Jesus christ. Stop applying your preconceived norms to everything.

>why no bad guy kickpunch mid-film

I think George said that the cringeness of the romance was intentional.

The biggest issue I had and I think most people had is that Portman looks a lot older than Lloyd in tpm and it made it seem weird when they're supposed to be a bit closer age wise

Hey Bro, mom and dad are gone tonight...

>actress looks slightly older than she should

This is your primary criticism? Okay.

>Episode 1
Obiwan meets Anakin. Palpatine sets himself up in the government. Literally everything else is filler.

>Episode 2
A literal filler movie

>Episode 3
Let's cram the plot of 3 movies into the last one, because the last 2 neglected to have story

It's almost as bad as nu-wars

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It's more like George has trouble raining it in and surrounded himself with yes men for the trilogy.

>yes men
I hate this meme.

I don't like sex. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere

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What did Padme see in this psychotic muderer teenager?

i miss when jabba was just a guy with a fur jacket

He’s a hot handsome young man that can fist you with lightsaber and choke you with da force. Perfect for BDSM.

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more like why did george turn vader into a autistic little shit

Probably felt extreme gratitude toward him for saving her life and her entire home-planet, twice, despite being a slave child who lives outside the laws of the Republic of which she a representative of and therefore partly responsible for.

Or you know, cuz the movies sux

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what? he does his best work with an editor that is not afraid to let him know whats up. Like his ex-wife Marcia Lucas

work better if you could change "Austin" to "Autism"

The Marcia thing is way overblown, it just happened to coincide with the first edit with the amazing John Williams score, which, to be honest, is like 60% or what makes Star Wars good.

He rewrote Anakin’s arc and motivations in RotS because McCullum and the rest said it sucked. Also fuck off with Marcia bullshit, you filthy redditor.

why are gen x manchildren upset that there is a child actor in a children's movie?

>"A Youtuber said it so it must be true!"

>every /trek/ thread when Midnight’s Edge is mentioned

The EU is such a weird example of like mass delusion. From Luke turning into a boring lint Eastwod type to the weird lack of mysticism which was always a huge part of the movie, they all feel like something made by people who never really understood SW and tried to make a very unique universe into a boring play by numbers sf setting

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Mostly Jarjar.
The lightsaber battles were too choreographed making them out of sync with the OT though, which became even worse in episode 2 and was honestly the bigger problem.

The last hour of AoTC is great

This.

For a movie so critically panned it's been emulated a load of times.

Why does Star Wars have the sexiest most fuckable women out of all franchises?

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Yea it bothered a lot of people that she looked like an adult going after a kid

fuck you kike

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wow you boys really hate admitting a women can make anything better don't ya?

Padme and Anakin were not romantically involved in TPM.

>Felt like there was far too much going on.
Not really, the movie just doesn't make good use of its time. The whole anakin and padme subplot being the most obvious offender. You could rework it to be much more economical, which would give more time to develop Dooku and the separatists (aka give christopher lee some more screen time to be an evil scenery chewing ham).

Why would I hate admitting that? My mom is a woman.

Go watch the screen tests with their other choices for Anakin. Jake Lloyd was the worst choice out of the available options.

Brown hair kid delivered his lines like he hadn't acted a day in his life. Blonde kid was better than brown but still kinda stiff.

Stop parroting shit other people say.

Watch the audition tape again and tell me brown hair kid would have been better.

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>the Marcia fallacy

She edited the trench run. There are two other fucker that worked on the move as well. The riginal editor that made rather slow cut of the film was replaced by George himself.

It doesnt really matter. The end result is that Jake Lloyd was awful.

>posts an old hag
Holy shit kiddo

Trips of truth and /threaded

>masterpiece
gratz, your bait thread will probably hit bump limit

>NuWars
>Good
>Ever

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BAIT

People with low iq can't appreciate the true kino

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Pointless, meaningless flick.

>being right

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>What did Padme see in this
You know she's responsible for getting the Clone Wars started? She's not exactly a reasonable person either. Especially looking at some of the dumb shit she did in TPM

People hate nu-wars for lacking any world building but when presented with the prequels with tons of world building they hate it too. Fuck the audience and fuck the fans.

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Kill yourself, shill

>establishes Anakin and why he becomes Vader
>sets up Obi-Wan's character development as an uptight and overly dogmatic into what he becomes in ANH
>state of the galaxy before the Empire
>rise of the confederacy and Clone Wars
>why the jedi order failed
>why the republic failed
How is TPM pointless?

Because Anakin being jesus is a dumb idea

Have i subverted your expectations for this thread?

The world-building isn't the main problem with the prequels. Except maybe the Gungans (though they'd have bothered me less I think if Jar Jar wasn't so annoying)

Why is there so much nuwars shilling ITT?

world building that fucks with the established canon is bad

Disney is ubiquitous.

best saber fight in the series and that racing scene is still awesome.

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Podracing is on Steam for like 5 $, it supports any controller and is still awesome.

Is there also a GoG version I can torrent? The creators are probably not getting my money even if I payed those five bucks.

Devs are LucasArts, they dont exist any more user. Their rights went to EA, it's your moral duty to ensure EA gets as little money as possible.

Okay but is there also a GoG version?

Because they are brainlets who wanted another hero's journey full of epic quips and simple plots. Instead they got complex dialog, more mature themes and a greatly fleshed out world. These retards also didn't know that to have a hero's downfall story, you need to start on a very high point to constrast with the lows later on shown in ROTS.

What did R2 do wrong in TPM? How was C3PO's 1 minute scene bad?

yeah it's on gog

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Hating prequels=Reddit
Loving Prequels=4Channel

>The Jedi don't come out as brilliant either, and it will get worse with the subsequent movies.

That's the point retard. Anakins downfall is also the downfall of the Jedi. So they are just as flawed as him, but in a different way. Anakin falls to the Dark Side, but the Jedi become too much like Paladins and literally live in an Ivory tower.

Except Padme is a better character than Leia.

>Doesn't like Neimoidians

Shit taste KYS. So much shit taste in this thread, but in your post especially.

Downloading rn

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It's not bad at all though. I swear people overreact to the Anakin/Padme scenes in AOTC just as much as they overreact about Jar Jar in TPM.

The groundworks were there but it feels unfinished and inconsequential.

>jar jar binks
>child death race
>midichlorians
>turning the biggest badass in sci fi history into a weird slave child
>basically wasting an entire movie
>"killing" off the only good character
>bad even for back then CGI
>horrible dialogue even for star wars
>jar jar binks
>and a giant cgi war involving bumbling clowns and shitty robots

>>turning the biggest badass in sci fi history into a weird slave child

Butthurt faggot confirmed. The PT improved Vader's character.

>>bad even for back then CGI

Now this is pure delusion. In 1999 nothing looked better than TPM.

>bad dialog

Confirmed brainlet.

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>jar jar binks
Fare.
>child death race
Pleb defected.
>midichlorians
Meme compliant, it’s very easy to spot butthurt RLM drone.
>turning the biggest badass in sci fi history into a weird slave child
Badass villains don’t always start being badass as children.
>basically wasting an entire movie
Kys.
>"killing" off the only good character
Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Sheev?
>bad even for back then CGI
This is has to be a bait.
>horrible dialogue even for star wars
Same shit as usual for Star Wars.
>and a giant cgi war involving bumbling clowns and shitty robots
Kys, battle droids are based as hell.

>The PT improved Vader's character.
How?

If you have to ask, then I'm sorry for your lack of a brain.

Based Post. Based Taste.

>In 1999 nothing looked better than TPM.
Jurassic Park

in 1999
JP is 1993

Nice joke.

Literally name ONE scene in TPM that comes even as close to looking as good as the T-Rex scene in JP

Wrong. And Jurassic Park (as well as the underrated as fuck Lost World) are my favorite films along with Star Wars.

JP1 only had like 3-4 minutes of CGI in the entire film. They dedicted all effects shots just too those few scenes, and all the memorable stuff like the Rex was an actual model for like 90% of the shots. It was also in 1993 not 1999. TPM had pretty much every shot in the film have CGI somewhere in it, I think all three PT films broke the record for amount of VFX shots in them. So them having to divide their time between as many shots as they did, back in 1999, and still look that good is stunning.

It's a physical model. If you get the BD's and pause on the few scenes where they used a CGI rex, it's extremely noticable the drop in quality.

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I've never been into EU stuff and I still disliked the prequels when I watched them in theaters. This type of ad hominem defense is pathetic.

>his local arcade didn't have this

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The thing is it was so badly done it made them more robotic instead.

So many wrong opinions. EU fans are generally the ones who liked the PT. The PT didn't overrwrite much if any EU anyways. All the EU before the PT was post ROTJ stuff. And yeah the post ROTJ stuff is lower in quality for a lot of it. But the PT that came out with the PT's is fucking great.

The people who got mad over the PT """changing""" things are mad their headcanon was destroyed. Not any EU. There was barely any. It's literally just their headcanon. It's pathetic.

Remove the CGI, Anakin, and Padme and you get an even better film.

>If you get the BD's and pause on the few scenes where they used a CGI rex
Doesn't that kind of cancel the "in 1999" pre-requisite if you require to pause a transfer on a format that didn't even exist back then?

The midichlorians are there to show you how soulless and bureaucratic the Jedi Order had become, thinking the Force could be measured or diagnosed like AIDS or something. Qui-Gon had already made his decision that Anakin was The One and this was just confirmation bias.

Well you don't have to pause it either. But they use a lot of blur effects to hide it. But I'm not making a webm to post here so you will have to deal with images.

BD's didn't exist back in 1999 either. And on the BD's the only affects that have aged are the CGI Gungans and Boss Nass. All the droids, backgrounds and everything look fucking fantastic.

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I don't know why you replied to me when I wasn't agreeing with the original poster.
The whole concept of the force going from vague mysticism to midichlorian counts 50 years before is hardly a headcanon issue. Same for Jedi going from universe-defining institution to "wtf the force is real? stop this hippie shit" in even less time than that.
It's hard to do sequels, and it's even harder to do prequels

>masterpiece
It's the least terrible Prequel film, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

My only complaint with the prequels is the massive drop in visual effects quality between I and II

>another fag acting like Midiclorians are an issue

Why didn't Luke just train Han and Leia or Chewie in the force?

I don't have a horse in this race, I'm just saying "if you pause something that's supposed to be moving it doesn't look as good" and "if you watch it in a quality that it wasn't made to be watched in it doesn't look as good" are pretty bad arguments.

He was just a beginner himself, but I'm not implying that the concept of some people having more force wasn't there, it was clearly there, just not in a scientifically measurable way, which is weird considering the chronology.
If the midichlorians still mattered why aren't they mentionned and why does it stick to "the force is strong in this one"? If it's objectively measurable, it doesn't become bad to measure it because of some vague undefined hippie moral reasons, and even if it did, why wouldn't the Empire still use it?

>being enslaved to canon

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>Same for Jedi going from universe-defining institution to "wtf the force is real? stop this hippie shit" in even less time than that.

The OT takes place almost entirely in the outer rim. The only part of the OT that actually takes place within Empire territory is when they go to the remains of Alderaan and see the Death Star.

In the PT EU, even during the Clone Wars, many outer rim worlds have never heard of Jedi, as they mostly stayed within the Republic. I mean why else was Anakin not found earlier if he has a midiclorian count that high. The Jedi don't search for people beyond the borders of the Republic. And even within, there is what like a few thousand Jedi in a galaxy of multi trillions.

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Because Disney star wars wasn't around to show how bad it could really get.

>The whole concept of the force going from vague mysticism to midichlorian counts 50 years before is hardly a headcanon issue.
Some user brought up a very good compassion between biting a sandwich and biting a sandwich with teeth. The analogy with midichlorians is pretty much the same, because genetical aspects of the force were established back in 1983.
>Same for Jedi going from universe-defining institution to "wtf the force is real? stop this hippie shit" in even less time than that.
10k Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy with hundreds of trillions citizens, sure thing many would doubt their existence. Plus, this was heavily implied in ANH that the Jedi were some sort of organization serving the republic. More like OT contradicted itself, not the prequels, even though it’s clearly a not contradiction. Like, we have rebels who believe in the force and Han who doesn’t? Fucking brainlet.

>dude why can't you just shut up and agree with me

Did she blow Obi-Wan and Jar Jar too?

What resolution did it play at in the theatres in 1993?

Also if you pause and watch the BD's of The Phantom Menace, you will find it's still good, and still holds up. That was the point.

Emperor noted Luke’s force potential back in ESB, even in un-specialized editions. The force was clearly hereditary in the OT.

I'm gonna make a video essay defending the prequels one day. Yall gonna be toast when the day comes. Fuck yall haters

Because Obi Wan didn't have a Midiclorian reader, all that shit was Jedi Temple tech, now in possesion of the Empire. Vader never got to prick Luke with a needle either. They could feel his strong presense, but didn't know his exact count.

But the fact his, "high midiclorians" and "strong in the force" is the same thing. Just people who get butthurt because George tried to put some action science into this sci fi space opera for once.

For the same reason why he couldn't lift his X wing out of the swamp. There's no way Han fucking Solo had the right state of mind to use the Force if even the son of Force Jesus got chided over his own mental blocks.

Why didn't he train Leia in the year between ESB and ROTJ?

BASED AND REDPILLED

Make sure it's over an hour at least.

>giant battle between 2 cgi armies in Phantom Menace
>does it again in Attack of the Clones

Why Lucas?

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the new movies are trash, mate.

Because he just got his ass kicked by Vader and was busy with his own training. Yoda had to tell the kid he'd become a proper Jedi on his own.

its gonna be 50 hours long

I liked the Gungan vs Droids battle, and I loved the Clones vs Droids battle.

Only plebs don't like them.

>Star WARS
>OT only had tiny skirmishes

Is the geography explicit in the movies without any supplementary material?
I guess Tatooine looks backwater but space and distances is peculiar, it could be pretty close to more civilized planets from my understanding. Maybe I'm dumb there, though.

I don't get the food analogy there.
>10k Jedi in the whole fucking galaxy with hundreds of trillions citizens, sure thing many would doubt their existence
They were pretty relevant though. They must have been in whatever the news were.
> More like OT contradicted itself, not the prequels
That's fair, except the PT showed exactly how relevant the Jedi were and how shortly after the OT. They weren't secretive monks, they were openly hovering around the top of galactic government.
> Like, we have rebels who believe in the force and Han who doesn’t? Fucking brainlet.
Okay? Why would anyone not believe in it. There have been Jedi in this universe for a long ass while, not just the time during the OT. Hell there were sith using the force at the top of the imperial ladder, shortly after the jedi were relevant themselves. Again it's just 40 years, in a technologically advanced world where they use "video" (holograms) to record and transfer information, it's not 3000BC in the middle east.

Why didn't Luke just bring Leia along to Yoda as well?

Because she was busy with rescuing Han while Luke focused on training.

Fair enough, I guess.

The prequels were all bad movies, that's my opinion.

>tfw people hate on the prequels but say clone wars cg is top tier star wars

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Why Luke went back to train Yoda ended up dying. It wouldn't have helped anyways.

I believe there's 2 decent movies at best and one horrible movie.

>Is the geography explicit in the movies without any supplementary material?
>I guess Tatooine looks backwater but space and distances is peculiar

It almost was. But the scenes got deleted. There is a 5+ minute long scene with Biggs and Luke at the Toshe station, Biggs gives some exposition on the Empire, the Rebels and Tattooine that is really interesting, especially his perspective on the Rebels, which was never shown in any other part of the films. But he also explains that Tatooine is a backwater shithole and even the Empire doesn't care about it. Tatooine was sorta meant to be a 3rd world shithole country, but in space.

Go Youtube the scene, it really should have made it into the film. Biggs is a good character too, shame he got cut.

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>tfw winning it all with bullseye "this-black-bull-fuk-all-ur-whi*e-women" navior

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>I don't get the food analogy there.
It’s very simple. The force sensitivity was clearly a thing in the OT and post-RotJ EU, so Lucas elaborated how can living beings use the force. It doesn’t demistify shit, the force is the same as it was back in the OT.
>They were pretty relevant though.
They were about as relevant as Obi Wan described them to be: they served as a police force of the republic.
>That's fair, except the PT showed exactly how relevant the Jedi were and how shortly after the OT. They weren't secretive monks, they were openly hovering around the top of galactic government.
Jedi didn’t have political power and never head, they were never relevant in the grand scheme of things. I already explained that the Jedi order served the republic’s senate.
>Okay? Why would anyone not believe in it. There have been Jedi in this universe for a long ass while, not just the time during the OT. Hell there were sith using the force at the top of the imperial ladder, shortly after the jedi were relevant themselves. Again it's just 40 years, in a technologically advanced world where they use "video" (holograms) to record and transfer information, it's not 3000BC in the middle east.
Making up fake videos would be extremely easy in a setting with far more advanced technology than our planet. And again, even if it wasn’t a thing it’s clearly an OT issue rather than the problem of the prequels.

Thanks for the explanation/recommendation.

>and never head
Had*

>biggest badass in history turned into a slavechild
Wasn't Vader basically a slave to the emperor anyway?

>I MUST Obey my master

Yep, he was.

Kind of. He was an apprentice. They always end up overthrowing their masters all the time or die trying.

>The force sensitivity was clearly a thing in the OT and post-RotJ EU, so Lucas elaborated how can living beings use the force.
You're not actually saying anything there. He didn't elaborate shit by having a throwaway line about midichlorian count, he just made a spiritual thing into a scientifically measurable one.
> they served as a police force of the republic.
And everybody has heard of the police, or the means they use to do their job.

The PT explicitely shows the Jedi serving as diplomats and having their voice being heard by important politicians. They're a borderline lobby, except instutitionalized, on top of being the cops.

>Making up fake videos would be extremely easy in a setting with far more advanced technology than our planet.
And yet everyone trusts every fucking video they see in the movies.

One line I like about the scene, which betrays Lucas's earlier less well formed vision for Star Wars, at the time ANH was being made. Was when Biggs tells Luke "I doubt the Empire would even fight for this planet". The implication being, there are other intergalactic countries/governmental entities out there, and not just the Empire.

So am I

>he just made a spiritual thing into a scientifically measurable one.

There is literally nothing wrong with this.

>You're not actually saying anything there. He didn't elaborate shit by having a throwaway line about midichlorian count, he just made a spiritual thing into a scientifically measurable one.
Kys.
Anakin: “Master, Sir… I heard Yoda talking about Midichlorians. I’ve been wondering: What are Midichlorians?”

Qui-Gon: “Midichlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells.”

Anakin: “They live inside me?”

Qui-Gon: “Inside your cells, yes. And we are symbionts with them.”

Anakin: “Symbionts?”

Qui-Gon: “Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without Midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear them speaking to you.”

>And everybody has heard of the police, or the means they use to do their job.

The PT explicitely shows the Jedi serving as diplomats and having their voice being heard by important politicians. They're a borderline lobby, except instutitionalized, on top of being the cops.

They were doing what chancellor told them to do, it’s pretty clear that the Jedi are nowhere near the top of hierarchy of political power. And this shit was established back in the OT, for God’s sake.

>And yet everyone trusts every fucking video they see in the movies.
This is not the case and even then it’s also not only a problem of the prequels. Fucking OTfags I swear.

None of that is "how can living beings use the force", it's literally a scientific explanation for why old cooks can feel the force in the OT.

>This is not the case and even then it’s also not only a problem of the prequels.
I didn't say it's a problem per se, it only becomes a problem when Jedi are shown in the PT to have been present at huge historic moments combined with people in the OT not believing in them. I can buy people not knowing the jedi except when they're present at literally every big historical event that took place 40 years before.
I'm not even an OTfag, I'm not particularly a SWfag to begin with.

>tfw you show anakins metal hand coming together with padmes flesh in a ceremony of love, proceeding the scene of the beginnings of the human vs droid intergalactic war

lucas you fucking symbolic madman

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Not him but I kinda agree. But I think it's more of a problem with ANH than anything else. It's been a while but did anyone in ESB and ROTJ ever mention not believing in the force? It was just Hans one line in ANH right?

I think one of the worst things than fucking TFA did was try to resurrect this idea, with the "it's true, all of it" line, that they even put in the fucking trailer. God JJ is a fucking hack, a universe destroying hack. Way to make a problem worse you fuck.

Just take the wonder and mysticism out of Star Wars. No big deal. Shut the fuck up, double nigger.

>None of that is "how can living beings use the force", it's literally a scientific explanation for why old cooks can feel the force in the OT.
And so what again? It doesn’t change anything about the force in the slightest.
>didn't say it's a problem per se, it only becomes a problem when Jedi are shown in the PT to have been present at huge historic moments combined with people in the OT not believing in them.
People know about the Jedi, they just don’t believe in their supernatural powers and shit and reasonably so. There’s can be even real life analogies for this case. Shit tier nitpick.

It didn't do that at all you dumb retard. Stop repeating RLM """arguments"""

I liked this scene a lot when I was a kid for some reason, probably because it’s a badass skeleton-like arm.

Wait, don't people just not believe in the force rather than the jedi?

Which is more believable, coz its not like they would nessescrily witness jedi performing force acts.

Why are prequel shitters so adamant in defending the worst aspects of the films?

Fuck off, I don’t care about midichlorians in slightest. I just can’t stand OTfags talking about things they have no idea about.

It's because Midiclorians literally change nothing, are not bad at all and even bringing them up outs you as a seething brainlet OT faggot just mad for no reason.

There is literally no arguments against midiclorians.

Phantom Menace had an issue with acting being awkward and writing being awful at times but the lore was really nicely done. Look at the Clone Wars CGI cartoon to see what they could do with good writers with the same lore.

The sequels have destroyed the lore so much that I don't see any amount of good writing helping it.

>There’s can be even real life analogies for this case.
What real life people have superpowers that have been captured on film?

Not literal. There is a guy in Vatican but not everyone believes in a jew who could walk on water.

>Look at the Clone Wars CGI cartoon to see what they could do with good writers with the same lore.

presenting a kids cartoon show as evidence of good writing.

fucking hell, this is the kind of people who are part of the star wars fandom

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>TCW
>good writing
>lmao let’s rewrite Anakin into generic one dimensional good guy

I understand the analogy but there's a difference between one guy whose exploits got related 300 years after his death in a dogmatic book to an entire literal police force from 40 years ago at a time when video exists.
But yeah arguably Han's disbelief shouldn't be a thing in the first place even without the PT, the PT just make it even more nonsensical.

Have you watched the show at all? Anakin goes dark or almost dark like a dozen times.

>goes dark for a brief moment
>reverts back to his normal persona in the next episode
>disregards his AotC personality completely
TCW gave me a hard time selling that someone like him could turn to the dark side, he was too “calm” and “collected”.

anakin hits a lot of 'cool' protagonist tropes and his voice actor is likewise generic. they took away a lot of his emotional vulnerability and experience

also they made dooku a one dimensional bad guy

and the whole show is packed with so much shitty filler (particuarly numbing action scenes)

inexperience*

Get rid of Jar Jar and the random asides of quirky aliens in some Tatooine sequences and its pure kino.

>episode 2
>filler movie
Are you shitting me? There's probably more world-building and set-up for future events in that movie than in any other.

Prequels had a ton of problems but not outright fatal to the franchise as a whole like the sequels do. The new canon is far worse than the wackiest shit I've seen/read in EU

I like TCW and the prequels and I'll just say that you're a little misguided. The Clone Wars has two whole seasons at the start that are really just middling and "all right". They don't begin to match the imagination, themes, and memorable moments from the prequels until season 3 and even then the writing can haphazardly jump back into "kid-mode".
Great show altogether though

>nuwars good
Wrong.

If you took the Prequel storyline and did it right (make Jar Jar not a retard, up-age Anakin in TPM, hire a different director, focus a little more on the clone wars and the fall of the republic, stick with better looking film techniques, make the romance between Anakin and Padme actually work, make the Jedi not a bunch of autist monks, etc) you'd have genuinely excellent movies. The core themes and storyline are strong, and the worldbuilding is more than sufficient for Star Wars.

What have you got with TFA and TLJ? A shitty ANH remake and an aimless mess of random events and character assassinations.

>It was just Hans one line in ANH right?
Imperial officers don't buy into it, Motti calls Vader's devotion in that 'ancient religion' sad.

>It doesn’t change anything about the force in the slightest.
>Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

>It's because Midiclorians literally change nothing
They're DBZ power level bullshit mixed with scientology to shill Vader.

I don't think it's as bad as a lot of people, but it did take some of the coolnes

>The core themes and storyline are strong
It's a series of shit retcons, Lucas trying to prove himself as the real brains behind SW when the best movie was the one with the least to do with him, and reigniting interest in merchandising.

>Jarjar
>bad
Yoosa just haseent seen da way

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Dumb OTfag.

I was actually just listening to Duel of Fates again, and it reminded me of how fucking hyped everyone was leading up to TPM’s release. Listening to the soundtrack over and over, trying to imagine what’s going on while it plays, all the toys, the Taco Bell/KFC/Pizza Hut cups, the trailer, the collectible Pepsi cans. Even the first trailer for Austin Powers 2 said “If you see one movie this year, see Star Wars. But if you see two, see Austin Powers”.

>sandpeople
>people

>Lucasfilm: *starting from season 4 lets make every plot 3 episodes long to pad this shit out as much as possible*
>Star Wars fans: "Wow these are the best star wars seasons ever!"

absolute fools

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>all the toys, the Taco Bell/KFC/Pizza Hut cups, the trailer, the collectible Pepsi cans.

Man, that was some fun times. I remember everywhere being flooded with Star Wars stuff. I think I kept some SW Pepsi cans for way too long, too.

What the hell? I ment to say it took some of the coolness out of the jedi. Oh, they're just tiny organisms in people? That's kind of lame. It really didn't need an explanation.

They brought it up like twice and really if they just only said that young Anakin had the force or that they felt strong force from him, people would know what they're talking about. Midiclorians added nothing to the movies.

most of those retcons aren't hard to fix either. You seem to be missing user's relative point

Because of reddit.

>Midiclorians added nothing to the movies.

>tfw george mapped all this shit out 40 years and even had a midichlorian sequel trilogy in reserve yet everyone thinks his original full plan betrays their nostalgic love of the ot

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Ewan and Ian's performances hard carry the prequels.

You really think he had all this planned out?

>most of those retcons aren't hard to fix either.
Changing the entire focus of the series from a young boy's journey into Space Jesus bullshit is a pretty big retcon. The core of the prequels is rotten, none of it is consistent nor meshes well with the OT, nor is it good on its own merits, as everyone agrees it needs both the plot and execution (read: everything) reworked.

Someone post the webm of the scene in the pic to shut this guy the fuck up

>The film-maker lamented: "All the way back to—with the Force and the Jedi and everything—the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it."

In regards to the force and midi-chlorians, he claims so, yeah.

>make the Jedi not a bunch of autist monks

This would make the film worse. The Jedi being flawed is great. In fact all you suggestions are kinda bad.

>Even the first trailer for Austin Powers 2 said “If you see one movie this year, see Star Wars. But if you see two, see Austin Powers”.

Fucking kek. Link to this?

>"I never got to tell people about it"

George is a fucking liar. Also, that says nothing about midiclorians

>I ment to say it took some of the coolness out of the jedi.

Nah it doesn't. I'm just gonna have to go ahead and say it.

Spiritualism is fucking gay women's shit for new age fags. Bringing a somewhat scientific explanation into it, actually makes it cooler in my eyes.

>All the way back to—with the Force and the Jedi and everything—the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end.
Vader wasn't even originally intended to be Luke's father and Luke's sister was meant to be her own character, not Leia. George is an egotistical liar whose drastically changed his story over the years, the Charlie Rose interview was infuriating.

Completely wrong in literally everything you said, you have an extremely bad understanding of what Star Wars is about.

Lucas was the real brains behind Star Wars. ESB is 100% Lucas. Do you even know what a hired director does? Do you think MCU films are the work of Feige or whatever no name planned the actors blocking out.

Faggot this scene still looks great

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Midiclorians were mentioned in some early drafts for ANH, or some notes or something from that time.

>Lucas was the real brains behind Star Wars. ESB is 100% Lucas.

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Maybe read the interview instead of just a snippet and jumping to conclusions.

Actually you're right user, keep the Jedi as they are, but it needed to be better shown how and why Anakin disagrees with how they're operating.

oh no no no no

No it really doesn't. And again, I say this as someone who's favorite childhood films were Jurassic Park and Star Wars. I was that dinofag kid obsessed with dinosaurs back in school, and I still am. That scene, and a few others have aged really badly. Of course a 1mb 462p webm wont show the flaws, but I've got a 17gig BD rip of it, and you can see the aged CGI even in motion. It's not film breakingly bad. But in no way is it better than anything in the Phantom Menace except for Boss Nass and the Gungans.

As much as I love Jurassic Park. I hate people who shit on CGI in any new film (not just the PT) and then say "if they could do CGI so good in JP1, why not this film" and it's clear as day they think the T Rex at night scene where it's attacking the car was CGI, that was a real model. The short tiny scenes like this are not the ones they are referring too, because clearly they don't stand the test of time. Impressive for 1993, hell yes, but they don't stand up to anything today. Even in that webm you posted there I can see visual flaws.

Oh yes, totally laughable and has aged horribly, just look at how much better movies look toda-

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>. The short tiny scenes like this are not the ones they are referring too, because clearly they don't stand the test of time. Impressive for 1993, hell yes, but they don't stand up to anything today. Even in that webm you posted there I can see visual flaws.
No matter what kind of mental gymnastics you're going to use, this is insanely impressive for a movie that came out in 1993.

It looks slightly dated because the textures on the dinosaur skin appear to be low res and muddy, which was expected for computer rendering tech in the early 90s.
But the animation and lighting is amazing, and 90% of good CGI hinges on how convincing and realistic the lighting is. Making good lighting is much harder than creating good textures.

The only change that needs to be made is the runtime. Lucas's 2 hour film autism needed to go away. There is a lot of deleted scenes in all three PT films. Each should have been 3 hours long.

Holy fuck imagine denying reality this hard. Imagine being this much of a dumb faggot.

Lucas is the common element for why ESB was good. Kasdan is a hack who has never wrote anything good since. Kirshner never directed anything else as good since. It was Lucas. He owned the IP at that point. Do you think he's just gonna let someone else come in and write new content. What he did was he wrote the story, and then he had Kasdan just transcribe it into script format and make the dialog less rigid, then he got Kirshner to direct the actors, which stressed him out while making ANH, so he could focus on other aspects of making ESB. Lucas wanted to do the same with the PT, but no one had the balls to stake their reputation on doing Star Wars Prequels, so Lucas had to do it all himself again, like in ANH.

What's next, you gonna claim Marcia did it? Kek.

I’m pretty sure it was the Super Bowl trailer.

>Lucas's 2 hour film autism needed to go away.
Wait, did he explicitly try and limit the films to 2 hours?
To be fair it'd be hard for younger audiences to stick through a full 3 hour movie, why not do 4 movies with 2-2.5 hours long if you want to limit runtime?

Keep deluding youself, Lucas is a talentless hack who needs other people to make his shit movies good. I know reality pisses you off, but it's true. Kasdan and Kirshner were the authors of ESB, not Lucas.

How does this look noticeably worse than the original?

>why not do 4 movies with 2-2.5 hours long if you want to limit runtime?
Because he already made the decision for three movies when he renamed SW to ANH, renaming it again would look retarded

World is shit, and all the Dinosaurs look shitty in it I agree. But I think the main aspect is they fucked up the aesthetics of the Dinosaurs, they have a slight stylized non realistic look to them. Probably because JP had actual peak of the industry concept artists working on it, and a full physical model for reference, while World had a bunch of Pajeets on a CGI farm to render it up and something got fucked.

Still, doesn't change the fact that JP1's CGI has aged. I mean just post a screenshot of the physical model and compare it to the CGI one. FUck it, I will.

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>It's not film breakingly bad. But in no way is it better than anything in the Phantom Menace except for Boss Nass and the Gungans.
Literally every effect in TPM was film breakingly bad and fucked the immersion with how obviously greenscreened everything was, JP on the other hand never had that problem.

I remember hearing him in the commentary or something as a kid saying that he prefered movies to be just a little but over 2 hours, that was his perfect time. I wish he had just embraced the 3 hour film.

I can't imagine how angry you must be right now, seething would't even come close. You must be fucking livid at the knowledge that George Lucas, the man behind the prequels, was also 100% responsible for the success and quality of Empire Strikes Back. Imagine simultaneous hating and loving one mans work so much. I'd do mental backflips and end up with cognitive dissonance like you too.

>Completely wrong in literally everything you said
Lucas claims the OT was about a Vader who was literally born of the Force fulfilling a Prophecy to end an organization that didn't even exist in the OT, which is about Luke's heroic journey and development in the backdrop of a struggle with a generic evil empire. Vader is only important as the antagonist and contrast to Luke. In ANH he's just muscle who happened to have a connection to Luke in killing his father, his mentor and having had a hand in bringing dark times to the galaxy and everything that came with it. ESB turned Vader into Luke's father as a shock to Luke, not because the Skywalkers were super special, and it worked owed to good execution. Nothing in the OT suggests Vader is the best Jedi ever or even particularly exceptional, he's basically the patriarch of a family of jocks who betrayed his comrades, took the corrupted path to fast growth and had good mentors. And the prequels are loaded with this sort of shit.

>Lucas was the real brains behind Star Wars.
Hamill called Lucas and Kurtz 'mom and dad'. The minute Kurtz left there was a noticeable decline in quality and when Lucas had the most control we got literal poop jokes.

>Do you even know what a hired director does?
You know Lucas tried to backseat drive and Kershner told him to fuck off and let him do the job he was hired for, right?

>I mean just post a screenshot of the physical model and compare it to the CGI one.
So you're actually retarded? A MOVIE is supposed to be viewed in MOTION, every CGI effect looks like piss when you pause it. No matter what movie you view. TPM just looks objectively worse than JP, you have to be literally braindead, retarded and deluding yourself to disagree.

I knew Lucas defenders were retarded but holy fuck you retards have a single digit IQ.

Not that guy, but I believe the Phantom Menace had a bunch of puppets too. Only puppet Yoda looked weird as hell, so they ended up replacing him with cgi.

Probably why the farting alien, Jabba and underwater aliens looked really weird. A lot of stuff is practical effects even the giant city models. Lucas for some reason made them look fake as hell.

Except that is literally incorrect and TPM held up very well.

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yiipiee!

No, you are dead wrong. TPM has tons of CGI that looks good paused. See

Duel of Fates was GOAT

>Maybe read the interview
It was a televised interview retard and I watched the whole thing. Was particularly happy when Lucas tried to play Star Wars off as something beneath him that he was only doing for the money, and that as soon as he was done with A New Hope he'd go back to what he really wanted to make.

>Nothing in the OT suggests Vader is the best Jedi ever or even particularly exceptional

>thousands of jedi fell to the empire
who do you think killed them all, in Lucas's original vision? random mook stormtroopers who can't hit the broad end of a barn?

(note that Order 66 was also introduced by the prequels, so "they were caught by surprise" is not a legitimate argument)

Puppet Yoda > CGI Yoda. Thank God for the Laserdisc.

>TPM has tons of CGI that looks good paused. See
You're not fucking saying that looks good are you? Everything in that shot looks like cheap plastic toys and there is barely any DoF making the shot look weird and flat.

>Was particularly happy when Lucas tried to play Star Wars off as something beneath him that he was only doing for the money

How the heck did you get that from what he said in the interview.

You're reading into things that you want to see.

>Kasdan is a hack who has never wrote anything good since.
And George hasn't made anything decent since 83, what's your point? Sometimes people only do good as part of a specific team, take away an important member and the whole thing can fall apart.

That still looks like shit, though I guess a little less than the rest of the film.

tfw you only watched the prequels and liked them

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>sure thing many would doubt their existence.

Nobody in Ot doubts the existence of the Jedi. the Force is in question by Han. There's a Pope in Vatican yet there's plenty of people that don't buy into Jesus walking on water and turning water into wine.

>Being proud of being a retard with shit taste

t. woman

>genetical aspects of the force were established back in 1983
1. midichlorians aren't related to genetics at all. they're just lifeforms attracted to the force. It's a correlation not causation

2. no it wasn't. Only Skywalkers pass down force sensitivity bc prophecy

Anyone who says this is bad cg is just bandwagoning

tpm had plenty of great cgi, from yoda to the nemodians to the droids.

its funny because cg yoda looked infinetely better than puppet yoda yet people treat cg like an inherently bad thing..

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Jar Jar is a good character.

>who do you think killed them all
The Empire with the help of someone trained in their ways who could give insight into how they thought/fought and their weaknesses, along with an evil space wizard in the Emperor.

>random mook stormtroopers who can't hit the broad end of a barn?
The stormtroopers are shit meme literally comes from George's teddy bears (you know, in the only OT movie Kurtz wasn't involved with and George was able to backseat drive with a relatively inexperienced director), the rest of the OT portrays them as a legitimate threat.

>How the heck did you get that from what he said in the interview.
Because he said it.

Why are you reading the shit books? Phantom Menace loses some coherence if you skip all the scenes with Jar Jar but you don’t need to read Dark Empire in order to read the Bane and Thrawn trilogies, play kotor 1 and 2, and watch the 2003 Clone Wars

Was it really necessary to have Queen Amidala in a different outfit for every scene she was in?

>Hamill called Lucas and Kurtz 'mom and dad'.

This is a particularly funny cope. Producers are universally known as money grubbing Jews, yet because OT Tranny's hate Lucas so much, they are even trying to shift the producer into the role of why the OT was so good.

Here's a fact. There was a "Mom and Dad" during the PT as well. The Mom was some woman Lucas hired to run Lucasfilm while he was busy with the films. She was under Lucas and McCallum, and basically a secretary. It wasn't Kathleen either. Can't remember her name, but she was mentioned in one of the documentaries. Kurtz being a mom/dad is believable, he ran the set and managed everything. Doesn't mean he had any creative influence.

>quality went downhill afterwards

Oh boy, another ROTJ hating pleb. Fuck off.

>Kersh told him to fuck off

Doesn't change the fact Lucas was his boss, Lucad had full creative control. A hired director just directs actors, gives them line delivery direction, plans the scene blocking and may help with storyboarding and does camera movement positioning and framing.

The main story of what actually happens, the sets, locations, everything major, all Lucas. If Kirsh had to tell Lucas to fuck off over even the direction, it just proves how much Lucas was micromanaging things and how everything was all Lucas.

Also with your first part of the post. I don't really disagree. But I don't think it conflicts with the PT either. I never got the feeling Anakin and Obi were anything but mid tier Jedi. The PT's shift to fleshing out Vader and making him more of a central focus was a good thing, especially with how ROTJ ended.

It was a great time. Sheer unfiltered anticipatiom. I'll see a SW movie in T minus etc. And it kept throughout the trilogy. My mind was like 50% SW, 50% school back then. In Croatia they aired the AOTC trailer in the central news show on national TV.
>Here you go guys. A fucking Star Wars trailer
Disney hype machine just ain0t the same.

It was a mistake to try to shoehorn the Dark Empire series into the novel canon, it really doesn't reconcile as being after the Thrawn Trilogy and makes the same mistake that Force Awakens does, wants to keep the heroes as plucky underdogs instead of having to be responsible adults.

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>likes DoF

Kill yourself, literally kill yourself holy fuck stick a shotgun in your mouth and pull the fucking trigger on livestream, I want to see you exit life. Christ. I can't beleive someone likes that trash. Literally joint tier. I am disregarding all of your opinions, and considering your taste to be trash tier. Your dislike of TPM just proves how good TPM's VFX are. If some DoF shitter hates it, it must be good.

I don't hear people praise Lucas enough for this, but one of my favorite things about Lucas's directorial style, is his wide angle shots that have absolute minimal, or no use of DoF at all, and everything is in focus and you can see every detail and fully take in the world. He understood that the world of Star Wars was part of the appeal, and didn't completely ruin scenes by blurring it out with shitty DoF. Depth of Field is cinematic cancer, it has no place in a Star Wars film. Emulating DoF with a computer is literally worse than JJ Abrams emulated fucking lens flares.

Yeah, why not? It's part of her character. Helps show her different moods. Plus it makes sense considering she has to switch out for her body double all the time, saves time to have the double get dressed whilst padme is taking off her clothes

>And George hasn't made anything decent since '05

Fixed your typo.

Based.

Shit and biased taste.

This. The PT has fucking god tier CGI. The only bad parts are Boss Nass, and some of the compositing in AOTC.

Elizabeth Taylor changes haircuts and dresses during the same argument with Burton in Cleopatra. Sometimes movies are just crazy.

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>Shit and biased taste.
Not really
>The PT has fucking god tier CGI
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Those are animatronic masks, dumb cunt

>This is a particularly funny cope. Producers are universally known as money grubbing Jews, yet because OT Tranny's hate Lucas so much, they are even trying to shift the producer into the role of why the OT was so good.

The old "it was good despite Lucas" routine. Most people don't even know what the producer does. He's there to keep the budget in check and hire the crew. Kurtz was particularly bad with the budget part which is why he got fired during ESB. And he kpt being shit at budget on Dark Crystal and Retun to Oz where Lucas actually saved his bacon. Also, his ideas for ROTJ were edgy teenager tier.

>Kershner told him to fuck off

Except that's not what happened. Kershner was actually surprised how Lucas never tried to butt in while he was directing.
Lucas let them do their thing until Kurtz fucked up the budget and then when the whole thing was in jeopardy from Fox takeover he took a more active role. Not to mention that he oversaw the FX guys during the whole thing and total involvment with post-production and editing.
Joe Johnston even said it was more a Lucas film than Kersh film.

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I'm sorry you have shit taste.

>Producers are universally known as money grubbing Jews
Kurtz generally went overbudget, had worked in multiple roles as part of film crews including director, directed parts of Empire and was a true professional with good sense in storytelling.

>they are even trying to shift the producer into the role of why the OT was so good.
Hamill said that you fucking retard.

>The Mom was some woman Lucas hired to run Lucasfilm while he was busy with the films.
Neat. Gary was on location for Empire in a different country while George was trying to maximize toy sales.

>Doesn't mean he had any creative influence.
He literally left over creative differences and wanting a more sombre ending.

>Oh boy, another ROTJ hating pleb.
Defend Luke's new goodie too shoes status, Leia and Han not doing shit, the twins nonsense, Death Star II, the atrocious fucking soap opera dialogue, Vader being a pussy and the Ewoks to me.

>Doesn't change the fact Lucas
Was ignored and Kershner did what was best for the film.

>A hired director just directs actors
If you think directors don't have influence over even slop like Marvel you're exceptionally retarded even by prequelfag standards.

>A hired director just directs actors, gives them line delivery direction
Director's run the show in movies and change shit as they wish. "I know" was Kershner seceding control to Ford, not something Lucas wrote.

>The main story of what actually happens, the sets, locations, everything major, all Lucas.
Lucas didn't do the cinematography. Lucas wasn't the only one who worked on the script which can be deviated from on the fly during shooting.

>But I don't think it conflicts with the PT either.
You don't seem to think much at all beyond "Turkeyneck good".

>The PT's shift to fleshing out Vader and making him more of a central focus was a good thing
It was a mindboggling misinterpretation of the OT with fanfic tier writing.

>Kurtz was particularly bad with the budget part which is why he got fired during ESB.

Didn't Lucas have to go back to the bank and retake out another loan because of this, in order to finish ESB? Also who did Lucas hire after he fired Kurtz?

simply being flawed isn't the issue. Their flaws don't make them interesting, just annoying

Poo Doo

>directed parts of Empire

What parts?

>He literally left over creative differences and wanting a more sombre ending.

Pure fucking delusion. He was FIRED because he was bad at his job.

>Lucas was ignored

AHAHAHAHAH. You don't ignore the boss. That's how you get fired. Lucas owned Star Wars at that point, he was completely funding ESB with his own money. You don't just ignore a man like that. Your opinions are so retarded I don't even know if I should continue with the rest. You are clearly delusional.

>Defend Luke's new goodie too shoes status, Leia and Han not doing shit, the twins nonsense, Death Star II, the atrocious fucking soap opera dialogue, Vader being a pussy and the Ewoks to me.

Luke was a goodie two shoes in ANH and ESB you delusional tranny. Fucking take your meds. ROTJ was when he started flirting with the dark side.

>muh Han and Leia don't do anything

Yes they do retard. Leia tries to rescue Han, experiences a failure, suffers as a result. Then she rescues Han later in the film at the shield generator when the Scout Troopers surround them. Han and Leia also blow up the Generator and lead the battle on Endor alone by themselves without Luke.

Christ I swear, people who hate ROTJ had some brain aneurysm over Ewoks and forget every other part of the film but them.

>Death Star 2

Was meant to be the first one, but Lucas didn't know if Star Wars would be successful, so he put it in ANH. He always planned to end the series with the Death Star. DS2's design is also cool as fuck, and it's half finished state represents the rotting core of the Empire.

>bad dialog
Examples? I guess you are just delusional again.
>Vader pussy
Nah.