Anyone else hate her and her whole subplot?

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>I hope to God, every fucking day, that the final book ends with her dying in misery
We share the same dreams brother. But never in a million years will this happen. I want to see her cry and beg like little finger.

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I don't hate her, she's just boring. In Westeros you have multiple people of similar intellect and power and even morality competing with one another. On Dany's side it's just her. There are no layers of grey, there are no differing points of view. Her sub-plot has a much more generic story structure in the sense that she is the protagonist and everyone who stands against her are just obstacles to be swept away. Compare that to the War of 5 Kings.

Did Viserys even educate her on things like economy, commerce, and law systems? How am I supposed to root for someone who doesnt shit about governing?

this but unironically

The king and queen only need to inspire the populace to keep them from rioting. Their underlings will govern.

Oh great it's another incel thead. Please have sex sweetie.

The show has too many characters anyway. The white walkers are a mistake and Danaerys is mistake.

Remove them and make a cut of the series that ends on a Lannisters domination after the red wedding and you have the most kinò show ever

Half the characters who've aspired to be king don't know that shit. Robb knew nothing about governance, Bobby B was actively bankrupting the crown, Renly was a charistmatic retard.

There is this thing called a "small counsel" in which multiple specialists advise you and basically run the minutiae of the kingdom.

There he is, I fucking missed him.

Based based based based based.

I thought her subplot was actually great in season 1. This pampered princess out of her depth amongst savages, and her foolhardy brother quickly realizing the situation has spiraled out of his control. Interesting things happened, and there was an actual sense of danger.
But then the Essos plots gradually became more and more boring, until they started to feel like filler. The Dany character also evolved beyond Clarke’s acting skills. She was quite good as the naive, little girl of season one. She was even good as she was trying to learn to use her sexuality to exert some measure of control over her warlord husband. But the minute she switched to being some badass conqueror, her performance fell flat. It’s cringeworthy watching her try to be intimidating, but the character has so much plot armor that you know her mistakes will never bite her in the ass for more than an episode.

She's your average modern woman. The dragons are a metaphor for the state.

SHE DOESN'T BURN BRO
PUT HER IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING

Thx, I do my best.

>didn't really like her bits
They're basically the whole character.

>Remove them and make a cut of the series that ends on a Lannisters domination after the red wedding and you have the most kinò show ever
Too soon. Lots of plot lines untied. The Arya subplot is super interesting, at least in the books it is. Sansa's one is also developing into something good.

The fact her life is ruled by prophecy and the nightmarish hellish landscape of Essos really made her interesting in the first two books. You can tell Martin has no idea what to do with her character in the third book and after and I think that's because he originally intended to kill her off in ACOK.

Why not just make an oligarchy then?

She's the villain. The whole point of her plot is to introduce her and build her up so when she invades Westeros and literally rains fire down on everyone she's not a Sauron tier villain with no backstory, but a built up person you can understand. The only problem is DnD made her out to be a hero and the books will never finish so her entire plot just feels weird and broken.

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Effectively keep doing what you already do faggot.

She is going to fight the white walkers and save the seven kingdoms. Then she will be queen because lol.
The plot is pretty obvious.

Lmao if you think the Westerosi will ever forget about the Targaryan cancer and let one rule over them without most of their population being burned alive demoralizing them into obedience.

Daenerys=Blackfyre
Aegon=Brightfyre
Jon=Dayne

Three heads of the Dragon means there are three surviving house Targaryen branches living in secret and Prince Who was Promised will be the one to restore everything.

Congratulations, you now have a better understanding of how humanity's political systems have evolved over time to the point we're at now.

This, GoT is best read and watched as the war of 5 kings. Everything else is just trashy fluff.

>danys boring story and no real effort overcoming her obstacles. just magic and dragon them all away or people fix it for her

>john snow and everything about white walkers.

holding off a horde of wildlings was ok but not really a big deal in the grand scheme of themes.

>arias convoluted story.

i loved the hound but they ran out of things to do with him then axed him only to run out of things to do with aria so they fast forward her from bravos to kill the entire freys single handedly like no big deal

Yes, Dany chapters devolved into her just fucking her boy toy and complaining about things.

I dont hate her but i do hate that her whole arc has come down to “i clapped when i saw the dragons”
I miss the plotical intrigue

I didn't like the storylines outside of Westerosi politics at all. GRRM wanted to write his War of the Roses fanfiction and he's good at that. Everything else feels kind of halfassed.

I don't like her bits especially after reading the books. She is a character with the writer on her side. She gets away with some criminally stupid decisions, while other characters get BTFO'd in similar situation.

As much as I support a Targaryen restoration, I want Jongon Stargaryen on the throne instead of her. Never cared much for her besides her hatching the dragons.

Make the dragons Ally with the white walkers, then let the dragons have their own version of the red wedding with them

Hate her in the books desu. Brienne, Jaime and Ser Davos are the characters I enjoy the most.

I'd read a whole book just about Jaime and Brienne's struggle to reconcile knightly beliefs and duties with the horrible realities of the world.

Id be pretty mad if my monarch didnt know anything about running a nation it would make their position basically pointless.

Brienne chapters get a hell of a lot better on a re-read.

For all the people calling me an incel. I don't get it honestly.
My favorite sub-plot was Arya's and Sansa's sub-plot was boring at first but got good by the end of the fifth book.

This also begs another question.

Did Viserys do anything wrong?

Jon doesnt give a shit about being a king, the only position he would under take is being the leader of the North in honor of his dad and deceased half siblings.

You kidding? She got shit done in Astapor. One of the best scenes both in the books and TV series.

yep, that's what current monarchs are, nothing but profitable tourist attractions, with pseudo power that will remain as long as they never act on it.

I liked her fine in the books. But the show ruined Drogo and her by extension.

Whenever I hear (caught-up with the show) people sincerely express support for her, I can't help but feel they have some pretty catastrophic moral dysfunctions, and will keep that in the back of my mind from then on.

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He was an entitled prick so there is that. Maybe if he had the money and power to back up his ambition he would not have been called the beggar king.

He was a bit rough with his sister but that is all. He gave his sister to Drago and Drago ignored him. Obviously he was rightfully pissed.

Reminder Barristan Selmy is the Prince Who Was Promised.

The main problem with her plot is that it just stopped going anywhere. She should have been back in Westeros by the end of the third book.

Royals who do nothing have no reason to live.

Daennerys has become completely stagnant by the end of the fifth book. Martin has also made Essos way more interesting if you actually paid attention to a lot of the shit happening there instead of focusing on just Daenerys lusting after Mario. She doesn't have anything left to do at the moment besides meeting up with Aegon depending on how her meeting with the new Khal goes.

One thing I'm interested about in Winds according to Martin we're going to go as furthest north as we've ever been and The Others will appear in the books. I'm curious how exactly this is going to happen giving that a lot of POVs seem to be taking place around King's Landing and the Riverlands.

The last two books are going to be huge according to GRRM so.

I'm trying to think of stuff that can happen in Winds and the most I guess going by my estimate would be around 500 or so pages. Still very excited to see what the other 1000 or so pages would contain.

>Battle of Ice
>Battle of Slavers Bay
>Stuff in King's Landing with Cersei's trial
>People going to meet Aegon and to confirm his legitimacy
>Sam in the Citadel discovering shit possibly finding information about The Others
>Jaime's adventures with the Brotherhood

I've never seen GoT but fuck me here wig looks awful in every shot I see.
How can people stand it?

Pretty much, anons. You're not alone.

You cannot be more wrong. Japanese emperor is arguably the most powerful person on the earth.

what the fuck is this reddit quote?

This a thousand times.

Does anyone else think the story is in desperate need of some pirates?

yeah thus why they are called bits and not tits

No they won't. Dead people don't write books.

Somebody will pick off from where he left. The franchise is to lucrative to let it all go to waste.

Captain Maario Naharis

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It's 90% women, they're retarded and just want a woman in power, even if she is extremely shit as a ruler

ie Cersei

Why do you guys like Stannis?

He’s pretty clearly set up to be the villain.

Lol, you know? I never connected the dots. It's so stupid. Because there are many woman with great plots in the book. Why rally behind the most childish of them.
Oh don't tell me.

I doubt anyone wants Cersei to win.

Bobby B bankrupting the realm was GRRM demonstrating lack of medieval knowledge

Virtually all kings were bankrupt

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I'm at a point of my life, where I find most heros in modern entertainment to be boring, lesson giving, Mary and Gary Sues. However, villains are now charismatic, driven, focused and dedicated. I end up ruling to villains.

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What is interesting about Arya?

Anyone else love her milky brapper?

He represents principles and virtue which appeals to people who want to live in a just world.

Personally I don't like him that much. I like Tyrion most.

I've heard tons of idiots say they're rooting for Cersei. Especially after season 5 & 6. Boggles my mind.

Good fucking question

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yeah but he would have been better off focusing on building up his resources as opposed to just expecting people to hand the iron throne to him.

Essos is honestly boring

Everything? She is the ultimate underdog. She grows up quickly. Her plot is full of adventures.
What is not to like?

Villain doesn't mean bad or even wrong. It just is the power that the people with plot armor have the hardest time using their plot armor against.

Villains are real people in a world ruled by mary sues.

No.

>underdog

>raised with a noble education
>gifted a special castle-forged steel sword
>trained by one of the most expert swordmasters on planetos
>immune to rape while traveling for weeks through rape central (the Riverlands)
>befriends a magic assassin and receives training

She’s a boring Mary Sue

Her arc was still going somewhere in seasons 4 and 5. Her dragons got out of control and she was failing hard at ruling in Meereen. I liked how she was suddenly forced to face the consequences of her actions and realize she was way in over her head.

But then D&D cancelled her arc and decided to go with memes and fan service.
>I'll just teach the dothraki not to rape
>burns Sam's father along his brother mad king style
>everyone on her side loves her and has absolute loyalty, no internal conflict among her followers
This last one applies to team "good guys" in general. It's really unbelievable how all these characters will just handwave their blood feuds because muh dragon queen.

Not only that, but the complete assassination of Dorne.

Holy fuck I'm so mad about season 5 and 6, it's all a shitshow

you don't live in a country with a monarchy do you, political or financial powers pay no attention to them outside of movies
they make money for there country and live in luxury

yeah i know many fags that love slurping dicks like there's no tomorrow
right now i can remember renley and OP

Dorne was never really developed in the first place tbqh. But yeah, a bunch of bastard thots getting away with killing their prince AND his heir is fucking ridiculous.

I feel like out of all the political players, Cersei is pretty much the only one who's been consistently written throughout the series.

>how did literally anyone that got the control of power by a conspiracy manage to keep it

>samefagging yourself this hard

Yes. Might help if Emilia Clarke could act, but the real problem is the endless entitlement from her as a character.

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dany is a bitch and she acts like a bitch, what's bad about it

Because the show always paints her as in the right

Dorne is a kingdom just like all the others, with its own noble houses and power structure. It speaks volumes to D&D's ineptitude that they a) completely dropped this after the introduction in S4 b) interpreted "Dorne tolerates bastards" into Oberyn's bastard ex-gf taking out the royal bloodline and taking over.

Targaryens are cancer, she should have been fed to manticores by now.

it's funny how show dany is decidedly good, even though in the books she's ambiguous at best.

Yes even in the books. There's like a whole fucking chapter about her having a God dam period wtf George sicko

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Dead meme from 2 years ago go fuck yourself with an icepick

does it?
she was confirmed as the retard that killed drogo and her son by allowing the witch to deal with them
she crossed that slaver that was still innocent
she burned daddy and sonny despite the attempts of stopping her with all the emotional luggage of the mad king burning people the same way
indirectly incinerated that kid
more small minor errors
she's won many times yeah but far from always being in the right

If you're "immune" to fire and open your legs for the right guy. Suddenly the world works out for you.

Her story is the worst.

>implying the dragon queen, her dragons and the armies she got by having dragons, saving them all won't change their minds
LMAO

Yes. Its as easy as this:
>dany burning people alive
good
>stannis burning people alive
bad
She can partake on actions that would render any other character a villain and the setting will continue to act as if she did nothing wrong.

That may have applied in the past, but S7 Dany is always right and everyone bends to her will.

>being the leader of the North in honor of his dad and deceased half siblings.
Fuck off showfag. Jon WANTS glory, he WANTS Winterfell and he WANTS to conquer, he's just too set in his mind as a bastard to try

dunno what the audience say but to me they both did the same thing
stannis gained some ipotetical god help from burning people, dany gained some ipotetical fear of the masses
both were aimed to fasten the conquer and reduce the overall victims
i think when dany's dragon burned the kid it was similar to stannis child, maybe a bit less because it wasnt ordered to do so but kind of there
she only did a war raid and got btfo by night king tho

Varys himself says
>i want to serve a ruler who is strongwr than tommen and gentler than Stannis
This being after shes conquered mereen, crucified the master and burnt many alive yet one of the sharpest guys in the setting calls her gentler despite the evidence showing she is in fact more brutal than Stannis. The characters and indeed the entire setting bends itself to portray dany in the best possible light.

im a stannisfag and he would have been indeed better than any of the actual and former candidates for the throne, but wouldnt say he was any less brutal than anyone else
just not prone to being brutal for his personal interest (debatable about the sacrifices, but he saw getting the throne as his duty)
but he wouldnt esitate a second to kill anyone if it was the "correct" thing to do

I cant see stannis crucifying an entire echelon of a society without a proper trial or any investigation. Remember we find out later that dany crucified many master who were against the more brutal methods we see in mereen bur of course dany is never made to be responsible for killing good men.

>they both did the same thing
That's kind of the point though. They did the same thing but didn't pay the same price. For Stannis it was the final nail in the coffin. Dany, on the other hand, just keeps on winning and everyone still likes her.
>she only did a war raid and got btfo by night king tho
that's not character development, they just needed the ice dragon to advance the plot.

I liked her in the first book/season a lot, and parts of the second, but the second she gets to Qarth or whatever her chapters/episodes become slogs.

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Martin planned to kill her off in ACOK I guess at this point he realized this is where he needed to bring in Aegon and the Golden Company.

It does bug me how D&D just sort of handwave plotlines.

>Dany is struggling to control Meereen, having pissed off both the slaves and masters, with a seemingly faceless enemy that could potentially be anyone
>Nah, just turns out to be the masters from Slaver's Bay, and they all conveniently attack out in the open at one point, allowing all of them to be slaughtered in one go

>Dany has no control over her dragons, Drogon abandons her, and she is forced to lock up Rhaegal and Viserion
>Drogon just decides at some point to be completely obedient, and the other two fall in line with him, not even needing riders

>Jon is murdered by his NW brothers
>Melisandre just gives him a Phoenix Down

>Jon is bound to his NW vows for life
>He abandons his post because he technically died, and nobody so much as questions it, naming Edd as LC, despite there typically being a choosing for that

>Theon and Yara escape with all of Euron's fleet
>He builds an even bigger and better fleet from nothing in a supernatural amount of time

>Arya continually fucks up and acts with insubordination during her Faceless Men training
>Jaquen is seemingly cool with it, and even lets her walk away after previously putting a hit out on her

>John is named King of the North, despite the fact that he acted like a retard without a strategic bone in his body during the Battle of Bastards, and would have lost without the Knights of the Vale swooping in at the last minute, and also abandoning his NW post

>Everyone is cool with the acting Lord of the Vale being executed, despite there being no evidence outside the testimony of a kid who's clearly not all there, and a girl who has clear motivation to want him dead

>everyone still likes her
she has the advantage of having an army of bots that will obey her whatever she does because that's how they are
in westeros if they dont like the boss they will run away
it fucked robert (deserved), it fucked stannis (undeserved), it's shit but fits the different pov of attitude of the people
i agree, and that was one of the reason why all the slavers rebelled against her and the son crying for dad's body really put her in a bad light
any standard army would have gotten btfo there and then but well, dragons can solve most problems

>anyone can die
>except these characters with kevlar plot armor

Funny how no character ever seems to point out what you're saying and no serious issues are raised by anyone and now the final season has good queen dany vs the wicked queen cersei.

>also all the characters with kevlar are boring as sin

>Martin planned to kill her off in ACOK
Not doing this was his big mistake, which ultimately derailed ASOIAF.

>i need a character to tell everything i need to think

Based

Yes when no charactera express any grievance, when the shoq doesnt raise any plot lines about it, no character development or growth regarding her brutal actions and dany keeps winning and gettimg praised all the way then yes the setting does bend to service her which is what i have been stating this whole time you goal posting moving retard.

Sooo Stannis burning his 10 year old daughter alive as a “sacrifice” is much different than Dany executing leaders of the opposing army, and even though she did it there was obviously a lot of dissent that will probably be explored in the next season.

Burning alive your child daughter != Burning alive enemy generals

Except the show had the
>stannis burning
bad
>dany burning
good
Dichtomy long before shireen

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure Shireen was the only person Stannis ever burned alive right? The red witche’s ghost kills Renly (which is also another awful thing Stannis did) but for that she just used some of Gendrys blood. You seriously have to be fucking stupid to believe the characters in the show are fine with Dany burning people alive, there are NUMEROUS conversations involving Tyrion and Jon talking about how she can’t be like her father and burn people and cities alive to win back Westeros. You’re wrong on both fronts

Of course. Selling Dany to the Dothraki was retarded because they were never planning on going to Westeros and he had no way of ensuring they held up their end of the deal. Then he acted like a belligerent idiot instead of just biding his time while Dany curried favor with Drogo.

daneryes and the entire essos plot line is garbage
the only good shit in GoT is westeros and all of the middle ages aesthetic with house of cards plot
the magic and dragons and undead guys are the absolute worst part of the show

Awful character. Awful actress. Awful subplot

You realize he's lying right? Even in George's original outline Dany makes it to the end

Stannis burned his own people for not believing in a God he doesn't even believe in himself. All because he wants to put his dick in some Dutch hoe.

Daenerys burns generally unsavoury and evil people, although the hint of Targaryen madness and bloodlust is always in the background.

There's no substance here beyond Stannis good, Dany bad. I find her cringy as fuck but half the criticism her is just butthurt because she's le stronk wamen.

This x1000 is why season 8 will be absolute garbage with the worst ending possible.

it's really not that bad in the books, emilia just can't act to save her life

I wonder if somebody could re-edit it to remove all that crap.

Funny how both Robert and Viseries were taking out indirectly when they were both pretty eager to go to war. Robert out of boredom and Viseries because of MUH VENGEANCE.

>Martin planned to kill her off in ACOK

What

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Don’t forget

>no one holds Sansa responsible for not telling anyone about the army of reinforcements on the way

I remember reading this somewhere in an interview he gave but can't remember where other than that fact stood out. I'm curious how the fallout of her death would've affected the story.

>Stannis burned his own people for not believing in a God he doesn't even believe in himself. All because he wants to put his dick in some Dutch hoe.

Damn the show is stupid. That’s a total 180 from the book Stannis.

I think Stannis burned a few people at the start of S2. I believe one of them was his brother-in-law

Are you sure? Because in the original outline of the series (back when it was supposed to be a trilogy) Martin says that five key characters are Tyrion, Daenerys, Jon, Bran and Arya.

Stannisbros unite, I want the priest with the flaming sword to rez him at the zer hour

anyone writing "sweetie" needs to AN HERO

I wish user i wish

Pirates with booty yes

Dany gave them the choice.

They could've salvaged the boring Dany storyline from the books and made it slightly interesting with good casting, but they cast this fucking retard with the personality of a brick to just smile like an idiot and it's the most unbearable thing about the show. I was looking forward to more maario naharis when they originally cast a unique looking and unconventionally charismatic actor, but then they recast him with the most generic hollywood prettyboy and all interest was lost.

She's like me, I would end slavery if I was born back then :)

I hate everyone in this fucking show except for Davos.

I love every part and character of the movie except her annoying ass with her cringy thot-thraki language
She reminds me of these barbie girls who post 100 nail photos with flash on and bad image quality on instagram in hopes to find a customer for he
>Dannys nail service
I hope that based cersei rips her ass off in the first episode

>heiress to a line of brutal, foreign slavers driven out for their incest-born madness
>literal gray-haired infertile witch, surrogate mother to fire monsters
>destroys the culture of every land she visits
>commands an army of loyalty-less mercenaries, rapist savages, pirates, and mindless eunuch slaves

is right.

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