Who could beat two-handed Jaime?

What does he even do with the 3rd hand? Dab on you while his other two are murdering you?

Jaime is way slower than Oberyn and can't compare to the Mountain's strength.

Speaking of that, Oberyn could beat Jaime too.

Ned literally won their only fight and then got speared in the ankle you moron. The only reason he wasn't as widely known is because he didn't walk around dueling people to feed his ego. It's literally canon that he was a complete beast.

Honor

Doesn't Breanne slap him down before he looses the hand?

Jaime literally says he can beat the mountain with his speed, nice try.
He didn't, try again.

This, Ned wouldn't have survived the Tower of Joy if he was a pushover.

Arya Stark

He was in chains during that fight, although Jaime did tell her that she probably could've won a fair fight iirc.

Based Barriston drawing those ding-dong diddly duelling dimes

>try again
How about you read the books and get back to me.

Oberyn only lost that fight through his pride, he wanted the confession more than he wanted to kill the mountain. Jamie would have no such desire and could easily outclass the mountain imo

Jaime is a cocky shit who thinks he's a white knight while killing one king, cucking another and killing a young boy for seeing his debauched incest.

Bronn said it best, you can use agility and hope to tire out the Mountain, but one hit and your dead.

arthur dayne, trident bobby, the hill, visenya with vhagar, young barristan

I read them, try again.

Prime Selemy, Prime Dayne with Sword
we know those 2 for sure jaime thinks can fight with him
We also know the mountain, ned stark, prime robert
the other possibilities are
Garlan Tyrrell, Viper and the hound
are people who jaime considers able to hold their grounds against him in his prime.

If you are going by how the book and shows have gone it's Jon Snow for sure. Jon Snow becomes a complete murder machine

I dont think we could say who would win that fight. Jaime mostly fights clean (he was legitimately angry when his bannerman speared ned) The Mountain has no such pride and could possibly catch Jaime off guard with some bullshit like sand in his eyes.

sorry this got clipped

We know Prime Jaime could have beaten the Mountain, prime and easily ned stark. Ned stark really wasn't that bad ass.
Just go with
Prime Selemy, Dayne and Jon Snow for sure. Then Garlan, Viper and the hound there's a chance

Could young based Bobby B do it?
Gods, he was strong then.

I'm not sure what to tell you user. It's canonical that Ned defeated Arthur Dayne in single combat, and has decades more experience. At the absolute least it would be an even fight, but you cannot say with certainty that Jaime would 100% beat Ned, there are no facts to back it up.

I missed these threads so much

GODS I WAS STRONG THEN

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A one-headed Ned.

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>Ned Stark wasn't really that badass
Exactly what he wanted you to believe when you fought him.

Captain Marvel

>Ned wouldn't have survived the Tower of Joy if he was a pushover
You mean if Reed hadn't sullied Ned's honor by stabbing Dayne in the back. Don't forget, Ned continued to let everyone think he was able to beat Dayne to maintain his honor.

Has Jon ever actually been tested against anyone who was known to be a great swordsman? I'm not refuting, but hasn't he mostly fought wildlings and undead?

Smalljon Umber was known to be a great swordsman.

>Reeds interference
Pure speculation. probably true but we will never get book 6 and 7 anyway

he beat the Legend

When did Jon fight Smalljon? In the books I mean, the show is essentially fanfic from like s5 onwards.

Also, it's canon that longclaw is part of what makes Jon a decent swordsman. Without it, he's average.

Season 1-4
>The Mountain
>The Hound
>Bariston Selmy

Season 5-7
>Sansa
>Arya
>Dany
>Missandei
>The ghost of Renly

???????

GRRM doesn't even mention ned when it comes to fighting skill. according to him, stark was trained to be an officer, not a soldier, he only survived the tower of joy because howland reed backstabbed dayne. jaime is one of the greatest swordfighters in westeros, rivaled only by barristan and dayne, don't make me screencap a quote by martin to prove myself, gtfo with your fanfiction

Richard Sharpe

He didnt/hasn't in the books. Even in the show, he got rekt by the OC Carl.

in the books it was said the had the upper hand in that fight

Jamie kind of seems like one of those Swordsman, who while being very good, his talents are a bit overblown because he mostly fights people he will definitely beat. Building up this narrative that he cant be beaten. But in reality there are quite a few swordsman who could easily best him.

Wonder Woman

i would bet against season 1 jaime if he went against oberyn or the fooking legend

This. Ned was a great diplomat, man, strategist, and leader; but not a great fighter. His brother was much more capable than him on the battlefield.

SER BARRISTAN SELMY?
ANYONE?

Reddit fag

Black Panther

>SER BARRISTAN SELMY
killed by slaveowner with kitchenknife

didn't ser jorah mormont beat him in some tournament?
or was that jousting

Arthur Dayne
Barristan Selmy

he's entirely alive in the books and far too dank to die to some cunt with a kitchen knife

AHHHH SAVE ME GREYWURM

he's beat a couple guys, it's the fact he's in constant battle for like 6 years he has to become better constantly. He's always fighting some new foe and shit. Throw in he's naturally insanely fast and acrobatic you get it. In the books he's a ninja almost, just cutting up some guy then darting to another and slashing them up so far, the show kind of tones him down. The show tones everyone down though, I mean the mountain is supposed to be 8 foot tall and pure muscle, jaime would be near god like right before his hand was cut off, the hound would be even bigger etc.

Masturbates as an intimidation technique

So much this!

GRRM said himself that arthur dayne and barristan selmy are the the greatest warriors of the 'old generation' while two-handed jamie is the best of the 'current generation', why even make this thread instead of googling?

who could be more handsome :3 than S1 Jaime?

Bobby B

>nedfags
eddard was a good guy but don't delude yourselves now

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Aw man I forgot about Ned's brother till you mentioned him. Sad...

Prime Barry is my pick.

Daemon Blackfyre would rape him.

>>Yea Forums

aragorn without hands and blindfolded

No one.

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In fairness to the mountain actor, he is 6'9'' and one of the strongest people on the planet

>Arthur Dayne
>greatest swordsman who ever lived
>beaten by 7 northmen hicks

What the fuck happened at ToJ?

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A mere mortal could be a numenorian with decades more experience fighting orcs? I doubt this.

Tbh it’s stupid to even ask this question because Jamie Lannister is a rich boi who drinks wine and quips where Aragorn is an Ubermensch race who lived 82 years of fighting.

Bronn no question. In fact he is going to 1v1 the Night King and win the entire war.

>Jamie could beat Aragorn
Yeah GRRM isnt being biased at all. Aragorn is basically fucking superhuman. His characters are more grounded in reality.

Mountain lost to Oberyn. He has no chance.

this is Yea Forums. we never saw prime selmi in the show, just an old man. there was half a dozen characters who would cut him in 2 seconds. if tournament was held where all characters we saw in the show fight to death the winner would be arthur dayne, oberyn or drogo, in order from most to least likely

Sandor Forma Animal (Hound)

Barristan
Dayne
Areo Hotah

Aragorn is superhuman. I don't know why GRRM makes these retarded claims; there's no shame in Jaime losing to a Númenórean.

Oberyn would also beat Jamie to be fair.

But he wasn't beaten. He would have killed Ned if it wasn't for Howland Reed pretending to be dead then using a blowpipe to kill him, probably poisoning him.

show jaime? anyone

book jaime? no one

wtf is this superman vs goku bs

But id Dayne is so good the fact that he didn't just instantly cut Ned down has to mean something right?

i don't disagree but my point was that most of jaime's life has been about combat while stark was trained to be a lord and a diplomat, there's no question that jaime > ned in swordfighting. aragorn would beat them both though

pretty sure he means on an even playing field where sword skill is what matters

Those were responses to the image more than your post.

if we're going by the books, jaime himself has stated that Dayne and Selmy were better than he ever was and hypothesises that while bobby, the mountain and 2 others (can't remember which) were stronger than him, he could take them with his speed
to all the nedfags here: get it through your thick northern skulls, eddard stark is not a fighter. he's a lord, diplomat, officer but definitely not a swordsman, at least not a good one and nowhere near jaime's skill
that said jaime vs oberyn would be interesting, given how skilled oberyn is and his unconvential Dornish fighting style

It's all pure guessing and conjecture + Ned's vague memories from that time but I remember Ned was aware he wouldn't have made it alive if not for Howland. Like, sure he held his own, but he wouldn't have done that for long.
Also, Arthur Dayne was honorable as fuck, he probably felt bad having to kill Ned who was merely trying to rescue his sister. He would have, but he wouldn't have liked it. I'd consider that could hold his hand when fighting Ned

>this is Yea Forums
>he only saw the old selmy not him in his prime
>puts the already dead before the first episode Arthur Dayne in the list.
Prime Dayne or Prime Selmy are my picks. What's even the point of current-day power levels? Jaime before his hand got cut off would beat everyone. There, we just ended the conversation. It's fun to speculate about prime shape power levels.

The other 2 were the Hound and Lyle Crakehall the strongboar

i don't know if you've read the books but jaime had a good reason to be an arrogant asshole in the beginning/the first season: he was matchless in combat. barristan was too old and dayne was dead, jaime said himself that those were the only ones he met that were better than him

shit, those were the exact 2 i thought it was, was unsure tho
time to re-read ASOS. regardless of what people say of Martin's writing, i enjoyed the first 3 books immensely. i remember reading jaime's chapters in ASOS for the first time, absolute kino

>8 posts before Barriston named
not very based Yea Forums

I thought Howland threw a net? or that's the rumor

HBO needs to make GoT prequel series, get all the dosh from butterflix.

>Ser Arthur Dayne first (if he was alive, of course, Jaime Lannister (if he still had both his hands), and then Brienne of Tarth

sandor and gregor would wreck jaime. jaime was just a tournamentfag.

>puts the already dead before the first episode they are all dead. i was saying from all the characters we ever saw on tv they were the best. i dont give a fuck about books, in the show selmi is but an old fart. even fucking legend would run rings around him

boy, was that fight retarded.

Ned was a capable fighter and should be considered an above average for surviving against Dayne long enough for Reed to stab him in the back. But Ned was not an incredible fighter. He was outclassed by Robert and anybody in the Kingsguard. Likely some of his own Bannermen were above him as well.

Ned earned the reputation as one of the best in Westeros as it fit the narrative of Robert's Rebellion for him to be a fantastic fighter. He even furthers this myth by going around telling everybody he killed Sir Arthur Dayne in single combat. The story of him and Robert smashing their way through the greatest knights in the kingdom to rescue a loved one is a great story for the masses. He would likely lose a lot of support if the truth was widespread that he won in a unhonourable backstab.

he really wasn't trying to kill ned. he kept trying disarm him and was going to wound him, his sister was in there and just had a child. He just got shot down.

No, he wouldn't. Jaime is just as fast as the Viper and has more skill.

Jaime admitted that it could go either way against The Mountain, the Hound, and oldman Selmy
He stated that even Lyle Crakehall wasn't that far behind him
Garland and Oberyn most likely would have a fair chance against him too

from what i remember, ned never talked about the fight with dayne with anyone. he mostly left it up for people to guess what happened. bran doesn't even know the story until meera and jojen tell him it

Mormond had the power of COCK behind him
It doesn't count

Bobby just had mass, training and ridiculously good armor going for him. His biggest accomplishment was beating a nerd who read books all day.

"The realization chilled him. Robert had been stronger than him, to be sure. The White Bull Gerold Hightower as well, in his heyday, and Ser Arthur Dayne. Amongst the living, Greatjon Umber was stronger, Strongboar of Crakehall most likely, both Cleganes for a certainty. The Mountain’s strength was like nothing human. It did not matter. With speed and skill, Jaime could beat them all."

get out

Is there an Knight or swordsman that could best Robert Baratheon? And i'm not talking about the sad washed up alcoholic fat fuck that he became towards his Reign as King. I'm talking about young PRIME Robert Baratheon, Equipped with his legendary War Hammer and impregnable armor, fueled with overwhelming rage of being cucked by some disgusting inbred Targshit faggot. Canonically this man was a monster that could smash any sword wielding retard to death

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how would you even rate the proficiency of a swordsman? I doubt knights in that universe duel each other that much. I mean it sounds cool to have "the best swordsman of his time" but it's not meant to be debated outside of the universe.

This isn't fucking Dragonball
Prime Ali would get absolutely murdered by 7 professional heavyweights

rhaegar was not a nerd. he was one of the best fighters in westeros at the time

>Jaime said they were the only ones he met better than him
Well shouldnt it be taken with a grain of salt that Jaime said it? I mean he is arrogant... Im sure there are others that could beat Jamie, he just won't admit to it.

>impregnable armor
I think you meant impenetrable

Gods he was strong then

three-handed Jaime

I was a fooking legend.

Rhaegar was an amazing tourney knight though
Not a soldier
He was definitely above average, but not exceptional

they base it mostly on how well someone does in tournaments.

GODS

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it's the same thing

Three-handed Jaime

youtube.com/watch?v=sEF5cCzpAB4

Why is he standing on his tippy toes?

>implying Loras wouldn't whoop Jaime's ass the same way he unhorsed him

yeah they kind of messed up robert. Dude was supposed to be six foot six and just huge

his feet are in stirrups nimrod

Based daedric armor Bobby and samurai Ned

>Ned Stark
Lmao no

The Mountain didn't lose to Oberyn though. The Red Viper had prep and a perfect game plan and still broke his weapon on the big fella and was unable to finish him off (obviously taunting didn't help). The Mountain didn't even die from his wounds, but from the poison that the greasy Dornishman used.

How does Jaime defeat a heavily armed Mountain in one-on-one combat? He needs to get in close to slip his sword into a weak point for a quick kill and that carries huge risk. If the Mountain gets a hold of him it's over. Just a bad match up IMO. Only guy who can take the Mountain one-on-one is the Hound who has the size, speed, and skill to overcome his brother's god-like size and strength.

Shut up you fuckin nerd

He's in stirrups. Targ fucking shits wouldn't understand.

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literally anyone from the dothraki horde

BB literally unstoppable and greatest warrior even tho he a cuck

OUTTA MY WAY TARG FUCKING SHITS

not really. gregor is MUCH larger than sandor in the books. he's a fucking monster

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Heard you guys were talking shit
>taller than the Mountainlet
>great swordsman
>great wrestler
>invented MMA
>beat some Targ shit like it's nothing
>beat an extremely angry not-Bobby B
>never once lost a fight

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WINEEEE

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>refuses to kill Ned because 'it wouldn't have been clean'
>but is perfectly fine with pushing a boy out of a window

Season 1 Jamie is a fucking horrible character.

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>that censor on hodor
Nice touch

SER DUNK THE LUNK

showfags please stop trying to answer this question.

>jaime lannister
>barristan selmy
>arthur dayne
>daemon blackfyre
with equivalent weaponry all of these guys pose a serious threat to one another and none would beat any of the others 10/10 times. which of the four is the best is really something only grrm can answer.

he doesn't even fight ned in the book. jaime takes off and ned just slips out of his horse and breaks his leg or some shit

dunk is not taller than the mountain

Really? Top kek. Poor fucking Ned.

One of the people speculated to be able to beat Jaime was The Hound.

There was some DEEPLORE going through the mentions of tournament wins etc. and it narrowed the 3 greatest living fighters in the kingdom down to Jaime, Hound and someone else, but I forgot who.

If Daemon Blackfyre was so great why did he die like a complete bitch?

>literal author of the fictional universe says character X is the best
>'durrr tournaments, liar, arrogant, ned'

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It's almost as if he felt terrible about Bran, pushing him out of necessity, and didn't want to get his hands even dirtier, brainlet

>Takes down a Blackfyre fucking shit rebellion with a hangover and a concussion
Ultimate chad. He and Egg's death really sadden me though.
>She-Wolves of Winterfell fucking never

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gregor is around 7'9-7'10, not 7'1.

Fuck off Mountainlet
Dunk is the tallest guy ever and the greatest fighter ever

>one lost to past prime Jorah
>one of the best of them lost to old man Barristan who forgot his helmet
>strongest one died to nipple cut

Strong Belwas would beat two-handed Jaime.

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Ramsay and his 20 good men

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because bloodraven is a cheating little virgin.

>Jorah canonically defeated him, but it was in a tourney
No, he didn't. They were at a draw before Robert named Jorah the victor.

Does anyone know how Rhaegar, Prime Bobby and Aemon the Dragon Knight would fare? I think it's pretty clear Dayne, Daemon and young Barristan would win. The Mountain, the Hound, Oberyn, Areo Hotah, Loras and maybe Brienne could go either way, tipping the scales towards Jaime in most scenarios.
Yeah it was jousting
A fancy sport for fancy lads

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that's not the original 20, Stone Cold was on it for sure

Motherfucking Garland Tyrell

The famed shiteaters of Mods, of course

moonboy can beat jaime for all i know

none of those lost to jaimie, you can't draw conclusions from that
jaimie is good but textbook swordman, all dothraki autists and bronnbros would beat him

But he fucked a tree

Reminder we're going to be cucked out of it.

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do you know who jonas salk was?
he was the jewish scientist that cured polio. he created the march of dimes to raise millions to fund his research.
polio was a crippling and deadly disease putting children all over the world into a wheelchair or an early grave. the vaccine for polio was one of the greatest medical achievements of the last century. its a globally essential medicine.
and this guy jonas salk?
he could have made billions from it. he could have patented it and made actual billions of dollars.
you know what he did? he waived the patent. he gave up billions just to make sure as many people who could be helped got the help they needed. he became a celeb after that even though he hated it. truly a great man and he left the world a better place than he came into it.

If I had a choice between polio existing in the USA/world and jews. I would choose polio every single time and twice on sundays. I would infect myself with polio and tour america spreading the disease in a custom built wheelchair or crutches if it meant all the jews and their influence were excised from my country like the cancer they are.
polio is nothing compared to the harmful effects of jews on the USA and world.I would give anything to live in a world where our biggest problem was building access ramps and compliance with the civil disabilities act.

that sounds like hyperbole. it is not. 100% authentic feelings. I cant sleep at night anymore. I wish I never started questioning things. I wish I was still a dumb rube out there able to laugh at things instead of a woke misanthrope. I envy the dumb.

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the author of the books would disagree with you

they have melees and duels in tournaments? I thought knights only did the "charg at each other with the lance" thing (don't know how it's called in English)
but impregnable doesn't apply to something like an armor

actually he lost the duel, some inbred whore saved him and he then backstabbed Karl Tanner in the throat
/ourguy/ defeated Jon in a fair 1 on 1 with a fucking dagger

Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy, and Gregor Clegane would all have a good chance against two-handed Jaime in a one-on-one sword duel. If you allow for different weapons and poison then I think Oberyn could beat him. He only has to nick Jaime once with the tip of his spear and then wait for the venom to kick in.

he's fat and ugly

>teleports behind you
>stabs you in the back
psshh, I didn't even have to use my full power

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forgot the gif

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Jaime was literally toying with him. He was realised he was winning and was going to add ned stark (the alleged killer of dayne) to his list of 1v1 kills. It would have been a huge mark of skill to everyone in the kingdoms.

Thats why he was pissed at the soldier, he ruined all of that and instead "jaime the kingslayer beat ned stark by having one of his soldiers stab him in the back." Another huge hit to his reputation. On top of being a dick move.

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Literally have no clue of how to counter armor and resort to autistic screeching whenever they see armored people

>literally anyone from the dothraki horde
What? Jorah comfortably beat the shit out of a Dothraki warrior, and he wasn't an exceptional swordsman by Westerosi standards.
>jaimie is good but textbook swordman
No, he's the best. That's what makes him losing his sword hand so crippling and such a critical part of his arc in both the show and the books.

jaime and ned never fight in the books, showfag.

they literally btfo all the infantry here

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Garlan, Barristan, The Hound, The Mountain and Loras can possible win. Nothing definitive.

In AFFC he spends most of his POVs shitting himself of the possibility of encountering the Hound. I guess the Hound was the closest to Jaime skill when he wasn't a cripple (Barristan is too old at this point).

Leave Jaime to me.

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>they have melees and duels in tournaments?
yes. they have bow competitions and sword duel competitions. it's not just jousting. at the end of the first dunk and egg book they have a large team based sword fight, but it was a trial by combat.

>It's literally canon that he was a complete beast.
It's literally canon that he was good but not amazing in combat. In the books he outright says that Arthur Dayne beat him and would have killed him if Howland Reed hadn't saved him, in the show this is just shown with Bran's flashback.

1. They did have a fucking dragon
2. Since the Dothraki are based on the real life Mongols/Huns/Parthians, why the hell are they charging in like that instead of just sniping the shit out of the heavy western infantry with their bows?

Prime Illirio Mopatis would beat this prince charming looking ass

>I thought knights only did the "charg at each other with the lance" thing (don't know how it's called in English)
The English word for it is "jousting"

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> based on
Because they are not Mongols. They are a fictional tribe of horseback riding marauders who happen to have some similar characteristics to those you mentioned, but there never seems to be any indication that the Dothraki are particularly skilled with bows and arrows, as you never see them using them. I'm not a bookfag so I don't know, but maybe there is a cultural reason they don't use bows and arrows?

>1. They did have a fucking dragon
irrelevant, you said they cant deal with armors and i proved you wrong, they killed lots of armored soldiers here
>why the hell are they charging in like that instead of just sniping the shit out of the heavy western infantry with their bows?
they did that too to create an opening in the formation to charge in with horses, check it
dragon made it easier of course but they can deal with meme armors fine
you seen a loser getting btfo by plot armored jorah and think all of them are retards

Jousting is a myth, the only thing the English ever did was run at each other with their dicks

Why dis niggas head so big?

Fuck no.
GRRM said Jaime was one of the best swordsmen that ever existed in Westeros.

You two fucking retards are mixing the show and the book. You are not gonna get nowhere.

Bronn is a legit great fighter in the books though
Catelyn thinks it looks like his sword is part of his body, and Tyrion says he's almost as good as Jaime

I don't recognize that armor

In arm wrestling? Yes. In a sword fight? Hell no

im gonna win anyway, that bookfag will die of gastric ulcer when the fat cunt dies before finishing the book

Fuck, I've been playing tooo much DMC5 i though that was Dante

they do use bows and arrows, maester luwin tells bran that the dothraki learn how to shoot a bow on horseback as children. we don't really see the dothraki fight a battle in the books though, they just ransack a couple villages and thats about it

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He's Jewish

>irrelevant, you said
No, I didn't. You're quoting a different user.
>they did that too to create an opening in the formation to charge in with horses, check it
Why? Why not just have the dragon in the initial assault? Scares the shit out of the enemy line even before it starts breathing fire.
>you seen a loser getting btfo by plot armored jorah and think all of them are retards
What? Think of all of who are retards? Jorah has plot armor?

AHEM
FUCK JAIME LANNISTER
AND FUCK HAVING TWO HANDS

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>jousting
thanks

The Mountain
Barristan
The Viper

how can one man be this based?
youtube.com/watch?v=jdWO9ozir1Y

Well if you're talking about the people we've seen in the show, in the states we've seen them there is no contest. Arthur Dayne. Second would be Jaime with two hands. This is what people said about Selmy in the show when he was in his prime, and there's a lot of evidence Dayne was better, but I like Selmy better so playing favorites I'm just going to say they were equal.

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i totally forgot bobby is in this movie

Why aren’t any Summer Islanders mentioned??

Don't let Jaime "Another Shoah" Lannister find out.

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Disgusted that this thread has lasted this long and no mention of Syrio Forel. His style would be too foreign to Jaime and give him a huge advantage.

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>Without it, he's average.
He isn't average in the books and he is on his way to be elite on the show.

come on barry was a granny at that point, even the thug moment vs the other guards was just shit talking, he would have gotten btfo

ayo jaime lemme mask you sum'in'

>Punisher has a gun
>decided it would be better to melee 2 handed Jaime
Why?

>meryn trant

Well, that was fuckin kino

Howland Reed
Arthur Dayne
Arya "Teleports Behind You: The Character" Stark
Possibly Brienne; she was holding back when they fought even though he was in chains, he still gripped the sword.
Mountain in close quarters
Robert Baratheon with his warhammer is also a possibility

HOW YOU GON SAVE KINGS LANDIN JAIME?

>no mention of Syrio Forel
because that dancing faggot would get curb stomped in under 30 seconds

>decided
He didn't, Jaime stabbed him or cut his arm, disarming him

Err is Shaneisher going to be okay?

the best swordsman who ever lived didn't have a sword?

MERYN FUCKING TRANT

Syrio had a fucking wooden sword and STILL took out multiple guards. Even Jaime would have lost to Meryn in that scenario where one is outfitted for combat and the other is outfitted for sparring with a fucking wooden sword. Come on now.

Arth Herd Eyne

WHO WAS YOUR FIRST KILL, NOT COUNTING OLD MEN?

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Would lose without his signs and crossbow

Yeah, they're talking about Prime Barry though. And I was referring to Prime Barry vs the version of Dayne we see in the show. So basically everyone, including 2 handed Jaime is saying Barry was one bad ass motherfucker back in the day. So following the logic, they're saying the Dayne we saw in the show was THAT fucking good (or probably better). So of all the characters we see in the show in their states my rankings are:
1. Dayne we saw in the show
2. Powergap
3. Jaime with two hands

Barristan Selmy

ned even says he's good but he doubts he's among the greats

>being triggered by bait
>taking that stupid shit martin said seriously
He was saying that about boromir and ned just to make his retarded Aragorn and jaime claim less arrogant, he is throwing ned under the bus so people don't pay attention to the claims about jaime. But no, Ned wasn't Elite, but claiming he was average is extremely stupid, of course sparring with an elite like Yhon Royce he would get punked, but he was still a pretty good fighter, probably in the same tier as someone like Jorah, not enough to beat some elite fighter like Oberyn or Garlan but enoigh to survive and create distance against superior foes (especially with superior numbers).

>Would lose without his signs and crossbow
He still has literal superpowers. Witchers are mutants, user. And Geralt is the most mutant and the best of them all

I'm pretty sure they explicitly explain it that his sword-dancing style is really fucking great in Essos, but everyone in Westeros wears armor so he would be fucked.
He's still alive btw. I believe it. He'll make a triumphant return and BTFO of Arya when he sees what she's become. It's like pottery. It rhymes.

Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Lady Regent of the Seven Kingdoms, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons

the show killed barry to save money both on a plot point of the queensguard and an expensive british actor

Jaime is the only good thing that came out of the books

it looked like the Essos style was really good at dueling though. Absolutely agree though, on the open field with shit going on, Westerosi style is preferable

Theon, Davos and Victarion Greyjoy are all great

Don't be that faggot. Oberyn beat him during the fight and was clearly dominating him. He only died because he stopped fighting when he thought it was over.

No, you utter showfag. Jaime literally almost kills her despite being weak, untrained, unarmored and handcuffed

Syrio has been in westeros for some time before he's introduced because of that I find it incredibly hard to believe he's never fought someone in knights armor. Hell the viper is wearing very little when he fights the mountain but is able to hit the joints and weak spots. Syrio uses a style that is similar to fencing and relies on quick strikes so he would probably fight in a very similar way of parrying, dodging, and striking at the joints and weak spots of the armor. Also, I completely agree and hope for the same thing. I believe we will both be disappointed though.

Martin being a fucking dipshit talking about the work of an author overwhelmingly more talented than himself, while sitting on success only possible BECAUSE of the Professor.

Martin: "I'm writing about war, which is what almost all epic fantasy is about, but if you're going to write about war and you just want to include all the cool battles and heroes killing a lot of orcs and things like that and you don't portray [sexual violence], then there's something fundamentally dishonest about that,"

Tolkien: "One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. By 1918 all but one of my close friends were dead."

What do you do to the weak spot in a piece of armor with a wooden sword?

Sorry which Robert Baratheon was that?

I SURE HOPE THIS JANNIE LANNISTER CHARACTER DOESNT GET SOMEBODY KILLED

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do we agree that this idiot deserved it all and worse
i dont remember him ever winning a fight by sword too, only cheap jewish battlefield tricks, but got outsmarted later because unitasker

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t. Has never watched a show or read books.

You're being purposefully dense right? You do know that when he was protecting the Sealord he wasn't roaming around with a wooden sword right? He was fucking training Arya in the show and book, of course he's not going to use a real blade for it.

I can't remember much of his backstory while in Westeros. I don't think he fought his way to where he was though. He wasn't a knight or particularly rich person. I'm sure he came over a long time ago, I agree. But he doesn't seem like he fought knights and stuff to make a living.

>no armor
>in chains
>malnourished
>spent past year in a dungeon
>still nearly kills her and loses due to exhaustion, having not been able to exercise or stretch his legs in a year

Geralt has several lifetimes of combat experience and is superhuman. There's no way Jaime could outmatch him

Show Robb? Yeah. Book Robb? I dunno. He was trying to do the honorabru thing by taking the Westerly girl as his wife since he deflowered her while being taken care of by her. It's the same kind of honor that got his father killed. They just believed that other people were reasonable and understanding. It can definitely be argued that even the Westerly marriage was stupid but less so than the random nobody sloot he met in the show.

Cersei could probably beat him, beat him off that is.

he was the luckiest faggot in the seven kingdoms until he wasn't
won fluke after fluke, disrespected based edmure, and betrayed the fray. stark fucking shit.

At the time of his DEATH, he had a wooden sword. What do you do with a wooden sword against armor? THe only time it could possible do damage to a person is if they had no helmet at all. YOu're not going to cripple a knight in armor by trying to "attack the weak points" with a thick wooden sword

It just occurred to me that the only house or whatever that doesn't have a stronk wymin is the fray jew looking doodes

The thread is "Who could beat two-handed Jaime" at no fucking point have I said he'd go find him and fight him with a wooden sword. I am implying that if they were to fight at their best Syrio would have a chance due to his foreign style. You're a fucking idiot if you think speculating about a 1 on 1 duel would entail one of the fighters showing up with a god damn training sword. Jesus fucking christ.

>original says prime jaime with 2 hands
>someone mentions any character
>retards just point out how they died and how that means they'd never win
>not even factoring in the person's prime to make it fair with OP getting to cherrypick prime jaime

this shit is honestly retarded
>BARRISTAN
>HAHAHA DIED LIKE A BITHC THO xxddd
that's character assassination by D&D, not prime

What about two wooden dicks and a foreign sounding twang, like Australian with a rolling arrrs? What is your estimation of these totally made up people's prowess at combat?

>gets exposed as a retard
>"hurr, it's all fictional, who cares lmao"
Unironically, kys

Like pottery. Get exposed as a retard and shift to le epic troll man.

lol have fag sex, in your mind

he was killed by meryn fucking trant, he couldnt be that good

no not really, idiot.

no i don't follow

>shit that didn't happen lamo

It was a solid thread there for a bit at least

t. Rhaegar

See
Read that post. It pertains to you

Meryn Trant was pretty good. The one that shat on him was the hound, one of the top 3 fighters in the show and top 10 in the books

The show is all tits and no ass, why should I even bother reading these books written by and for male lesbians?

the sword of the morning, obviously.

why bobby didnt like stannis? he obviously wasnt into whores like him but he was a warrior unlike dick slurping renly

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Sneed

Cause Stannis was a stuck up boring cunt

This will happen

if going crossover wot.fandom.com/wiki/Al'Lan_Mandragoran

He was exceptional, the thing is he started fighting late in his life, he didnt care about the sword, he was good and talented at everything he did.

based and Crixuspilled

you're dumb as fuck

he obeyed the orders of the king and could hold a sword, his dislike of petty conspiracy games should have made them bond even more

Because they're the complete opposites. He's Ned, without Ned's charm.
Stannis is a half-autistic, workaholic guy with no charisma. Dutiful, honorable but due to him not even trying to be likable, nobody likes him. That's why he would have been a good king and a great Hand.

>arya kills them both in the greatest YAAAAS QUEEN moment of all time
epic

Me with a gun

>Al'Lan Mandragoran, (pronounced: AHL'LAN man-DRAG-or-an; /ɑlˈlæːn mænˈdɹɑ.gɔˌɹɑn/) known commonly as Lan, is also known as Lord of the Seven Towers, Lord of the Lakes, True Blade of Malkier, Defender of the Wall of First Fires, Bearer of the Sword of the Thousand Lakes, May He Sever the Shadow, Dai Shan, and known to the Aiel as Aan'allein. He is the uncrowned king and only survivor of the royal line of the fallen kingdom of Malkier.

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in an actual sword-fight with steel plate
>god-tier
dayne = barristan
>top tier
jaime > mountain > hound > brienne

Indy

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>brienne
That meme has to die, seriously. A half-dead Jaime almost killed her, any average-to-top fighter would rape her in good, equal conditions.

>Ned's charm
did he have any? he just had a big family redeeming him with gags, otherwise he would be silent and butthurt about people having fun most of the time
he sucked as king's hand and stannis would have been same, need to be more pratical for that
but i agree both of them would have been great kings
surely would have paid some of the fuggin debts

Where the FUCK is the Maario Naharis poster?

In the books ned is not on jaimes level. Ned is good, but only average for a man of his title. Jaime is superior.

OI M8 U GOT A KING'S LOICENSE 4 THAT

This.

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how did she win vs the hound tho, just plot armor?
it made no sense imo, can understand when she beat that renly faggy bf but he was a twink, hound is a fucking gorilla

i got you bro

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this

Ned was well liked by everyone for being a fair lord, stern and honorable but just. He had dinner with his servants, he listened to the lords under his rule and tried to help. He was a good general, friendly too. As for being Hand, he would have made a great *honest* Hand. But that wasn't going to work long in the nest of vipers that is King's Landing, unless he cleaned the nest. He should have never left Winterfell, really.
Stannis is not liked but he would have been a lot more willing to clean KL than Ned was. Imagine Stannis king with Ned as hand tho. They would have been unstoppable.

Hound was weak, slower, with a fever and fighting an infection. Even arya tells him in the very same episode that he is walking slower.

Literally shit that didn't happen in the books, so I don't think about it

Maario Naharis

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What's Jaime gonna grow a hand back or something?

Victarion Greyjoy

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ur late

Fire hand

the mountain basically only has strength, the fact that oberyn BTFO him shows that, he only died because of dumbshit gloating. Jamie beats mountain for sure.

Victarion vs Bobby could had been a great fight

He's probably asleep.

>one man defeated by seven
>wtf but he's supposed to be good with a sword and stuff?

i think they look at things in a too limited way
hand must be honest but also a bit malicious, would say tyrion is the best kind of guy, or varys maybe, considering they are fundamentally good people
tywin would be also good but he had too much attitude in being the one actually deciding everything

b&r

Oberyn is an elite fighter, don't be retarded, mountain wasn't just strenght, he was highly skilled and had straight out superhuman strenght

Prime Fedor or Anderson Silva

Sned Stark could easily feed him to the crows

Ehh, I think I prefer Hands and kings who would enforce a fair if stern rule, for everyone, than Hands that know how to play the game and would turn a blind eye whenever it suited their needs.
Tywin was a pretty good hand for the Mad King but too in the game and not really fair, looking to improve himself and favor the nobles over the common folk.

they never fight in the books so yeah brienne beating the hound is just D&D Yasss queen bullshit

Was Bloodraven the best Hand?

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Selmy
Mountain
Bron with some sneaky shit.
Maybe Robert in his Prime
Maybe Jorah.
Syrio might be able to.

This. Jaime is the best swordsman, true, but The Mountain has a ton of power. Oberyn's choice of weapon (sans poison) is a big factor in being able to keep the mountain at bay and swords have their weaknesses.

what did they say about a guy with an exposed femural fracture surviving after being left there a few days until starting to be eaten by worms?

Hard to tell who was the best Hand. He was a great one but different times required different Hands. AGOT's times required one more willing to clean KL like Stannis would have been, or one who knew how to plot and all like Tywin or Tyrion, though Tyrion is a bit too naive in the end.