I can change almost anything but i cant change human nature

He's too stupid to correctly change brain chemistry

>show me how changing DNA changes human nature

Give you an extra chromosome. Congrats you are now a spastic. Idiot.

He could change their individual personalities but not human nature itself. By manipulating their minds he would still have to be playing within the bounds of human nature.

back to your favela third world mystic scum
>change dna
>change enzymes
>change neurotransmitters
>change human response to stimuli
>change human nature
why is this even complicated to you? do yout hink niggers have the same 'human nature' as chinks?

Make our reward thingys less about eating and fucking and slacking off and more about caring for other humans, more empathy, advancing human civliaztion and shit like that. And not with the motivation of sex, food, shelter, fame, money or divine reward. Imagine getting an orgasm for doing something that can universaly considered as good, like helping someone in need.

You're not changing human nature though dipshit. You still have to abide by the rules of nature otherwise the human you're manipulating falls to shit. Unless you literally change the laws of physics, you're doing nothing.

No he could do it in theory it's just impractical for him to obtain the information, he'd have to be omniscience essentially given the vast number of genes involved.

>muh magical soul

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Not him but he would have to do that 7 billion times, each human one by one, and also on every new born after that. Talk about a chore.

>Yes, I actually can change human nature, given that human behaviour is nothing but chemicals in the brain, which I should theoretically be able to manipulate seeing as matter manipulation is my thing. But I don't give enough of a shit about of this to give it a try.

The entire plot resolves around Dr Manhattan not giving a fuck, if he did he could just dissolve nuclear weapons and enforce a detente between the US and USSR.

>He's too stupid to correctly change brain chemistry
Are you fucking retarded, dr manhattan basically put himself together molecule by molecule

>has to work overtime just to built some generator
>lmao why didnt he just rewire everybody’s brain

yeah or make a crispr plague or something

The soul is the part of you that transcends our feeble dimensions and lives eternally after the death of our physical bodies you unenlightened sciencefag.

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thats why I said changing DNA too. just rewrite the code to make us less shitty. people suffer in modern societys because they have almost the same fears and survival mechanisms of a fucking cave man, in a world full of
abundance and opportunities.

>has to work overtime just to built some generator
He was just passing time, he used his hands body to make the generator, he could've just thought about it and atomically 3D print it into the universe and have it done in a moment he just wanted to build it like a human would

Nice cope fantasy, mortal nigger

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Source?

My God, you people are retarded.
Manhattan isn't omnipotent, he can manipulate matter but he still is a human he's not all knowing.
Yes, he can alter brain structure and brain chemicals but what is he going to alter it to? He doesn't know what formats would make for a perfect civilized human that still retains their free consciousness and will. He has no parameter to compare the current brain structure to anything else. He'd have to experiment several thousands of times on people which would be completely unethical even for him.

>you people are retarded
>repeats what the thread has been saying

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His picrelated

>He'd have to experiment several thousands of times on people which would be completely unethical even for him.
he would sacrafice thousands...

moravec transfer seems like it still has the Heisenberg uncertainty problems that teleporter cloners would

why doesn't he turn everyone into doctor manhattans

no one said he had to make it perfect he could just remove one random thing and make everyone drooling retards

Yeah, 2 posts among at least 8 saying "just change dna/brain/chemicals bruh".
Fuck off.

He could also just kill everyone if he's going to do something so pointless and stupid.

there are two arguments going on, whether it is possible in theory and whether it is possible for the cartoon character to do it, why are you such a brainlet?

Yeah not a fan of that concept either

Meaning your points have already been made brainlet

see

Imagine genuinely believing there's no afterlife and chosing to waste the entirety of your existing playing video games and posting on forums.

I'm here becausr I'm killing time until I get to heaven. The fuck is your excuse atheists?

>Heisenberg’s Uncer- no it does not!

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Just kill yourself now and get to Heaven faster, amigo

A product of your brain

t. Guy who lives exactly the same as the “atheists” he criticizes but thinks he’s superior
Yes I’m sure God will let you into Heaven after you beat your dick to trap hentai every night, faglord.

the first thing he did was he building himself atom by atom

You just described the same thing twice, idiot.

based and Christpilled

>I'm killing time until I get to heaven
At least help in a soup kitchen or something to get some Jesus points. Thats the whole point of religion, asshole!

>he would sacrafice thousands...
to save millions

no I didn't you must be really dumb

Imagine picking one of thousands versions of afterlife and thinking the odds are in his favor.

It would change after a while tho depending on the region

>heaven
>spending the rest of eternity with christcucks
Lol, how about no. What are you going to do there, send heavenly money to heavenly Afrika?

To save trillions

Which he did after several attempts. That was his body. He wouldn't fuck around experimenting with other people's bodies.

So you're saying that Dr Manhattan wouldn't be able to turn Sneed's Feed'n Seed (Formerly Chuck's) into Chuck's Fuck'n Suck (Formerly Sneed's(Formerly Chuck's))?

you do it once you've done it a million timea. also he could just return them back to normal if shit goes wrong.

>thinks life isn't worth living and is just a bad period until heaven comes around (suicide is banned)
>would murder and rape if there was no divine punishment
>happens to believe in what he was raised to believe since birth
>thinks believing in something makes it real

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Religionfags are even wore escapists than druggies or neet gamers

This. I never understood the “you need Christianity to be moral.”
They’re basically saying “I’d rape as many people and kill anyone I want if God wouldn’t put me in the eternal hotbox for it.” Basically saying they’re only civilized people under duress and would be horrible people if they weren’t.
Atheists on the other hand have no spiritual motivation to not do these things. The reason why they don’t rape and murder is because they’re genuinely good people who don’t want to harm others, otherwise they’d say “what the hell, I’m gonna die anyway, might as well rape and kill for pleasure.”

hi Rust

Too many brainlets iit who don't realise he can't change human nature for moral reasons, not because of physical ones. Between sneedposting and leftypol trannies Yea Forums really has gone to shit.

Dr Manhattan is a fictional character written by a person, therefore the character is bound by the limits of the authors imagination

>left
both sides are ruining every board I go to

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Brains are far too complex and he'd have to change the brain chemistry of billions of people. That's too much of a task, even for him. He's not omnipotent.

The whole techno-transhumanism never really struck me as plausible or as useful as organic-transhumanism like computer brains vs genetically engineered immortality seems like an obvious choice.

He literally changed his own human nature

exploding him is ok but not memory wiping him or making him slightly less autistic?

It looks like gene therapy is the way humanity is going initially regardless

Watchmen (the comic) is great, and if you disagree, or can't even comprehend why it's celebrated, you're a brainlet.

many atheists believe in moral relativity which is where religion comes in because it posits moral absolutes

Like a Sith

No it doesn’t. Especially if you’re anything other than orthodox. Catholicism adopted a thing called ecumenicism a loooooomg time ago

Yes, changing someone's nature is more morally wrong than just killing them. At least that way you're retaining your integrity.

Epic

Changing someone against their will is very close to murder

he has all the time in the world, he can alter time, teleport, and even make more of himself

He can manipulate matter, human nature is part of our soul which isn't material, you fucking autistic motherfucking moron.

How covenient

*curses your soul away with wiccan magic*
Nothing personal...

We r

while all you retards argue about Dr Manhattans power level youre all missing the whole criticism of scientific rationality that he represents. He knows everything about his matter but repeatedly shows he does not understand human emotion or spirit bc they cannot be rationally understood
The movie makes a lot more sense when you start to see the philosophical and ethical theories each character represents

>Put together something that already existed with a few enhancements
>Carefully change complex properties across billions of people while accounting for the nearly infinite possible unforeseen consequences due to the exponentially multiplying effects of those properties in large scale society whilst in the process violating virtually every moral and ethical code you adhere to by invading the minds and bodies of every living person

Please finish high school before you post here

Brains are made of matter, societies are an emergent property of the interactions of those brains. Societies and inherently metaphysical, this is something undisputed by anyone with above room temperature IQ. The leap between understanding how to change the biological programming of an individual and being able to understand how that programming will form in a society when it is compounded is absolutely astounding. If you can't understand this basic concept you should probably kys

think it's a metaphor for biblical logic

So he could have the whole entire world bonked out on SSRIs and tranquilizers and be the world’s ruler a la Brave New World?

>cucks still shitposting about that kino cartoon
it's (un)ironically earth life from the perspective of an extraterrestrial

It's too sophisticated a task and would require too much work.

>Inb4 he put himself together
Clearly, he didn't need a body to think and make decisions, so there is no reason for him to have made himself a brain.

Based centrist

>if God is omnipotent and literally created everything then why didn't he just make people ideal and get rid of all evil?
Yep, shitty writing

Shut up user I hate rick and morty you are cringe
TO BE FAIR YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIGH IQ HAHA

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the comic gives the impression that the experiment kept his consciousness tangled when his body disintegrated, he was alive and conscious but without physical form, he had no senses or any way to interact with the world so his consciousness probably learnt to interact with atoms and atom by atom he buit his own body like a house, is basically like tony stark building his suit and getting in

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

AAAAAAAA HAHAHHAHAHHA

>hey user, would you rather me change your personality or wipe you from existence for eternity?

They're essentially the same.

Yeah. He didn't need to understand which parts of the brain performed all the "consciousness and thinking," since he could do both of those just fine. It's reasonable that he chose to just ignore those parts when he reassembled his body out of bluematter

All correct statements

>be alive
>be dead
>close enough

>be dead
>be ego dead
Pretty much the same

Based

Doctor Manhattan can manipulate energy and matter, that's his power set. He also believes that whatever happens, will happen since he wanted to be a clockmaker. He cant change human nature because theres nothing physically to change.

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>shows he does not understand human emotion or spirit bc they cannot be rationally understood
he does not understand them because he has become a godlike being and he is unable to relate to the pettiness of humans anymore.

no you just get a different one

He has sex with teenagers

.....
Oh god kill me now just do it

Dr Manhattan is living every moment of the universe all at once. He has no free will but he knows he has no free will. He can transverse time just like you can walk through space.

It's why he's all fucked up. He can back 20 years ago for a minute then come forward 40 years for a minute because it's all happening at once for him.

There I fixed your dumb shit

Brains are super confusing and very possibly rely on quantum particles and neuronetworks

> 2019
> still believes in free will

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he is losing his humanity and doesnt even give a shit about sex and just does it to please her

>Has the free will to believe in free will

all atoms consist of "quantum particles" (which isn't an actual scientific term but they must have impressed your brainlet cognition)

He cares about pleasing the whims of some dumb teenager

kek

He isn't God. He can't just rewire 6 billion brains to suit his needs

yes

Youre wrong he choses to not have free will because his free will was shitting reality creating multiple universes and killing others his free will was basically over writting everyone's free will so he choses to make the same choices he sees himself making in his OWN TIMELINE and stop creating and killing realities, he experiences everything past present and future in the timeline where he is real not in the ones where he doesnt not exist

based
he really doesn't though, there was never a choice

Does not* not doesnt not fuck

shit bait

That means he's petty and irrational like people

i said he is
>losing his humanity
not that he is completely inhuman

>Has the free will to not believe in free will

watchmen is the most overrated story in history

>he does not understand them because he has become a godlike being and he is unable to relate to the pettiness of humans anymore.
Is this not your post?

No I didn't

>slave to contradiction

>Free will to believe in free willie

You're not even fun to argue with because you'll never lay out why you believe in free will

>Has free will to argue

butts

Free will isn't a unicorn you fucking moron, its a tangible thing. I had free will when I chose to respond to your terrible post, and I'm exercising my free will now by closing this tab and finding a decent thread in the catalogue

can i write it again then? unable to fully relate, he still retains some aspects of humanity but he is losing ground, its a point of his backstory.

>someone "demonstrates" free will
>go back in time
>they do that exact act again
Free will is a meme

triggered brainlet

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what makes you think its free will making you do that rather than a predetermined course of action that you were simply unaware of?

>he doesn’t know about posner molecules

we're wasting our time on this website, user

>Predestination is theist not science

Or was it the starting conditions of the universe, and it's consequences, that caused you to do it?
Your concept of free will is a false vacuum.

The absolute state of non-determinists.

>2019
>Believes in time travel

>can't even explain why he's self-aware
>thinks he knows enough about how shit works to say free will doesn't exist
Face it man, we don't know anything at this point. We're nowhere near knowing definitively one way or another at this point.

whom are you quoting?

t. brainlet

Why did someone make this gif?
Why?
It serves no fucking purpose
He opens his mouth and closes it
What the fuck is the point?
In fact, 90% of these fucking tumblr gifs are fucking pointless. They convey nothing more than a still image with a caption would.
God I fucking hate normal faggots that spread this shit
"Oh haha a gif! This will surely empasize the shallow point I was trying to make"
Kill yourselves

Haha dude calm down who hurt you?

*whomst've

Free will

I didn't even know he was in prison

if you go by that route you can't prove you arent getting assraped by intangible cia agents each night without your knowledge. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you should start by reasoning why free will exists. "i do things out of free will because i say so" is not evidence.

based and checked

>Destiny implies design

cope diversion to avoid discussion
agnostic theism argument

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But "free will doesn't exist" is just as extraordinary a claim.

Absolutely based
I guess they have a limited filesize for uploads but why the fuck they had to flood the internet with 5 frame gifs I don't know

But we are. Your body is made of atoms which we know obey certain physical laws. The atoms in your arm only move because they experience a chemical reaction caused by an electric signal from your brain which was in turn created by another chemical reaction which ultimately is caused by outside stimuli. The atoms cannot choose to act in a different way they must obey the laws of physics. And before someone brings up quantum uncertainty that doesn't support free will because it replaces determinism with a certain amount of randomness which is still not the force of a "will" just random chance. There is no mechanism that could control these reactions according to such a will or we would see reactions in the human mind which aren't physically possible. We may not know everything about the brain but to postulate some soul controls it is either unfalsifiable (AKA worthless) or bunk.

God, I hate people like you. You just start spouting words like "quantum particles!" without understanding even an iota of what that means.
The brain obviously utilizes neural networks. That's part of the definition of what the brain is. Neural networks are mechanistic.

>implying mockingly quoting Rick and Morty makes him wrong
Seethe harder

*no known mechanism
Just like there's no known mechanism for me being self-aware as myself.

No free will follows cause and effect, free will does not

wrong, claiming something exists when there is no evidence for it is the first extraordinary claim. for the same reason you don't need to prove the intangible CIA agents aren't sodomizing you.

The evidence is that I have it.

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>Free will causes effect

How do you explain the fact that your arm moves milliseconds before your brain tells your arm to move

Funny how not a single marvel character ever created even a bit of a scientific or moral discussion here and characters like Batman, Superman, Manhattan always are. How so?

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>shitpost avoids bad fee-fees

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Look at this anti-intellectual trash. We know a *lot*. The mind is very clearly rooted in the brain, the brain is a material, mechanistic machine made of regular matter, and hence free will in the objective sense cannot exist.

What is it with everyone not understanding this? If Manhattan could just change human nature into a perfect lifeform then why even have humans in the first place? Surprise, humanity's flaws is what makes people human.

consciousness makes no sense without some kind of soul, unless you believe every physical interaction that takes place has some kind of basic consciousness

If from hot stove I shouldn't need to explain
If not
youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8

same as the evidence for the cia agents descending upon you nightly, then, if word is good enough.

U r sew dum thnx

Do they? What's your source on that?
Regardless, many species of invertibrates, for example, have nerve clusters in their legs that can cause them to move without input from the brain. It's kind of unclear what you're attempting to suggest or prove, and you're going to have to flesh out your argument before you convince anyone.

Do they? What's your source on that?
Regardless, many species of invertibrates, for example, have nerve clusters in their legs that can cause them to move without input from the brain. It's kind of unclear what you're attempting to suggest or prove, and you're going to have to flesh out your argument before you convince anyone.

>consciousness makes no sense without some kind of soul
Why
You forgot to say why it does not

>Tachyons are theoretical

and why doesn't it make sense?

>anti-intellectual trash
The nature of consciousness and free is not a solved problem at all. And we don't even understand the brain fully yet for that matter. Neuroscience is still young.

I keked hard, based and redpilled.

>lmao just change the very thing im trying to save to something else xd
imagine being so dense that a pleb-tier movie like Watchmen goes straight over your head

Such a mechanism is either unfalsifiable and therefore identical in practicality to it not existing, or if it is verifiable would obey a set of laws and therefore not be free will. But I strongly reject the notion it could even exist because it would necessitate a complete restructuring of physics when there is no evidence that such a fantastic claim is true. Occam's razor would suggest it is much more likely we don't have free will then some heretofore undiscovered mystical force which embodies our personalities and conciousness making decisions which move atoms in the physical world in such a precise way as to evoke certain thoughts and actions. Not only that but it wouldn't have full control since it cannot control the influence of food/drugs/sleep/stimuli on the brain which influence its function. So simultaneously the will would have to be very powerful and very weak.

>enlighten

But thats Captain Atom

>Pre Columbian America
>Post
>Cause and Effect
>Destined?

I'd absolutely makes sense. Consciousness is just an emergent property of the brain. Evolution has given is brains big and complex enough that not only can we learn and remember information - we can be aware of ourselves. If you look at many of the species that - more or less - precede us, from apes, to rodents, to lizards, to invertebrates, we see a clear increase in intelligence, learning ability, and tendencies toward "consciousness" culminating in ourselves.
>consciousness makes no sense without some kind of soul,
Then why do traumatic brain injuries often irreversibly change or damage someone's personality?
>unless you believe every physical interaction that takes place has some kind of basic consciousness
That's a broad question. "Physical interactions"? In the non-living world, physical interactions happen because of physics. In the living world in reference to lower life forms, physical interactions happen because of instincts embedded in those animals' brains - which is really just a higher abstraction of physics.

And yet it is. We don't need to understand every aspect of consciousness to safely assert that it resides in the brain. See the above for more.

This genuinely.

you faggots who are arguing about whether or not Manhattan could change human nature fail to grasp the deeper philosophical dilemma behind the statement

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>schizo babble to avoid bad fee-fees

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you can make a mouse trap take action in response to stimulus, if the brain just a more complex mechanic device that works like that theres no reason a mouse trap shouldnt experience reality like a human but on a basic level

Ignoring free will for a moment, the fact that there's some mechanism for consciousness already implies there's something more to physics and the universe than we understand. Maybe you're right that it's still all clockwork and can't be changed, but either way I think it's a given that there's something we're missing in physics and the nature of reality. Even if it's all physical and predetermined, that would just mean physical things are much more interesting than we know.

Does he put that eyeliner on himself? Really makes you wonder.

Technically he could change everything even any human on atomatic level.
He literally reassembled himself. Twice. He knows every atom of human body.
So why didn't he just alter Rorschach's brain to make him think the way he wouldn't go against Veidt plan?

Manhattan is probably the Maxwell demon of watchmen universe. He can ignite stars, stop time, he change everything moreover such sophisticated bullshit as "human nature"

This show is shit man

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>emergent property of the brain
you cant explain how this works though, you just say it must magically spring forth because theres no real explanation

There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

>When you look into the gay bar the gay bar dances back

>t-the heaven I was raised to believe in of course haha

what is consciousness and awareness even good for other than appreciating subjective things like beauty or aesthetics? if you think about the unconscious part of our brains does like 90% of the work with little to no input from the self.

imagine being so dense you can't correctly interpret a comment chain

Went to college to become a social worker. atheists place more value on human life and happiness than skycucks.

arguing what's logical in the face of the thematic and more abstract elements of a piece of fiction is boring and defeats the whole purpose of the fiction

All that should be argued in this vein is whether or not the thematic actions break suspension of disbelief in this world, in this case it doesn't

If you can't accept thematically driven actions, you shouldn't be watching fiction

or maybe toasters are conscious too

Judging from the conversation in this thread, Watchmen (the comic book) along with V for Vendetta still hold up as highbrow comic books. Makes me wonder why Alan decided to abandon that formula in favor of less ambitious explorations of popular culture.

pic related seems to me to be at fault.

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Just spit-balling here, this is probably stupid. But what if the brain picks up consciousness like an antenna? Then the brain could be damaged and effect it negatively, while consciousness could come from something outside.

>trying to explain basic concepts of biopsychology when most of the brainlets on this board don't even think it's a real science
You're pissing up a rope user

Highbrow comic books but they're still brainlet tier on the wider scale.

>social worker

Pure ego-wank, if you really want to help you become a billionaire.

imagine being so dense that you can't even come up with your own comeback

that doesn't make sense, if you were brain damaged you lose your consciousness but if it also external it isn't /your/ consciousness then
also consciousness is a dumb meme

I don't think a brain without consciousness would be able to create anything more complicated than a stone on a stick. Consciousness is the thing that directs your cognitive abilities to do everything else that isn't basic survival and procreaction.

Good grief. There's plenty of reason: a mouse trap has only one input and one output. You shut it, you trigger it, it goes off. This is a single-input-single-output machine. This is in contrast to a Turing machine or a neural network, which is a generalized computational device. If you chained together thousands of mousetraps together in such a way so that they could change their behavior and change how they were wired together, then maybe you'd see signs of intelligence.

Explaining "how it works" isn't a prerequisite for stating that that's the basis for its functionality. Did Kepler need to understand how gravity worked when he determined the relationship between orbital distance and period? No. Newton did that later, but that didn't make Kepler's observations incorrect.
The brain and mind are clearly mechanistic for essentially the two reasons I've already laid out. 1) There's no line between us any every other animal on Earth. Primitive species are clearly governed by activity in their ganglia, and hence ours must be too. When did the "soul" come into play? Did we have it when we were apes? When we were fish? 2) Head injuries, and things like intellectually crippling genetic disorders, strongly point to the brain as the home of the mind.

yes of course, but no one denies they are pioneering works in the genre, and hold up as artistic artifacts of their one for their respective medium. Like, you woudn't compare Action Comics with Watchmen like you woudn't compare Eisenstein with capeshit.

There's nothing that could explain that, nor any evidence for it. Not to mention that we don't become retarded when we go deep underground or in an MRI.

First step towards administration and facilitating real social change. Social workers are the driving force behind policies you take for granted. I end my day knowing that I've made at least one life better. The only things you leave behind are the marks you've made.

>then also consciousness is a dumb meme
isn't it all dumb meme when you get down to it?

i think it's possibly just a mish mash of sensory information that we give meaning to

well everyone says consciousness but they are just using it as a synonym for soul and it has become pure mysticism but also yes

I feel like ideas like this one, or anything to do with a soul really, is just cope to avoid accepting the horror of mortality.
Why else would we invent such obviously fantastical concepts if not to assure ourselves that our loved ones aren't truly gone and that our final breath is not the end? We usually stick to Occam's Razor but mortality is just too horrific an existence.

i disagree, you can have intelligence without awareness. think of the the chinese room thought experiment or chatbots. given enough time perhaps evolution could create a creature that thinks incredibly fast but with zero awareness.

what if the soul exists in your testicles or colon or somewhere, so the signal comes from inside your body but outside the brain?

You don't have AS IT HAPPENED evidence of evolution or the big bang or abiogenesis. And as it happened is literally SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, of which you Will Never Have! For a change, either you bold faced liar or horribly deceived Hypocrite, Show us the processes of All Life from the first Purported Instantiation of life unto our selfsame day. That's what you liars get away with and as to why you're the most intolerable hypocrites there ever were. Producing as it happened evidence and not the make believe pseudoscience (dog shit) you've been using CAN VALIDATE YOUR FICTION. But you don't and never will have that. So you ascribe normal growth and change as proof of evolution. But, that's not what you and your fellow liars Purported. Thereby, you incorrigible ne'er-do-well, provide for us SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND THAT'S ALL THAT IS OBSERVABLE AND TESTABLE and where applicable RECREATE ABLE of Evolution. I.E., Take what you're claiming the present day processes of Evolution is (that trash you're claiming is proof of evolution, allele frequency: virus and bacteria learn ability and dog/wolves and new born baby and all that dumb shit) and show us the beginning and end of each processes in all Purported life from muck to modern man and that's all genetic and where applicable DNA variation and morphology in all life, as it happened! And that's skeletal and genetic SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE from muck to man in Every creature to have existed in each instance and where applicable Purported Evolutionary dead-end. And that's from a billion years ago in an unbreakable chain of each creature evolving into its successor species up to our selfsame day.

More than just sensory information. Past a point, you're drawing more from your brain than from your senses. For example, only about 20% of the neural activity in sight involves sensory neurons. The rest is your brain filling things in, making connections, retrieving associations, comparing to concepts and stereotypes. Only a small percentage of your visual field (where your fovea is) has actual detail. The rest is an illusion.

to add on to your point - we already have evidence we can change personality and treat mental illnesses simply by manipulating magnetic fields around your head or applying electrodes to specific parts of the brain. just adds more evidence to the pile. the switch cannot flip itself.

If that's the case, then a soul is entirely useless to living/thinking/feelings or even a relationship with "God", since people have lost both of those and been fine. There's no method of communication that exists that would facilitate that

intelligence is not the same as consciousness, if youre saying intelligence leads to consciousness you have to explain why, do retards experience reality less than geniuses? do fish?

im not claiming the mind and soul are the same thing, obviously your ability to think is controlled by the mind but why do you experience that as an individual (im assuming you do, i know i do) instead of it just happening like it does in any other machine? you can have sensory input that gets turned into action without there being something there to experience it

why should we define intelligence as speed? you're describing simplistic stimuli-response creatures, that is the lowest state of intelligence possible

rTMS and Deep Brain Stimulation are generally only used for treatment resistant severe depression. Especially DBS, since implanting electrodes in the subcallosal cingulate gyrus is a trick business.

Stop Arguing with assholes who can never Provide you with as it Happened.

>God, I

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He can't turn back time and he works in the laws of physics.

manhattan is just a shitty underpowered version of cap atom

Really brushing up to that DSM-5 disorganized speech bud

What did you mean by this?
Do you think saying the word God means you believe in the concept?

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Have you as it happened evidence of the big bang and abiogenesis and evolution?

consciousness is just the "on" state of your network, and the program is always running in some form until you die

>tfw none of this matters because our brains aren't evolved enough to comprehend the true reality
>inherent limitations in our abilities prevent us from studying all aspects of reality

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yeah you know you induce current in nerves when you put a magnetic field near them (MRIs) so those "personality changes" might just be brain damage

Yeah but what would be the point of this incredibly fast thinking? Why would a powerful AI do things that it can do? Maybe I'm a brainlet but I just can't imagine a creature that can create all the things that humanity created without consciousness and awareness. Like, you need some self-reflection and thoughts, some internal drives to invent, to create, to do art etc.

There is no such thing as consciousness it's an abstrat notion introduced only in psychology to define specific activity of the brain. When you sleep and see dreams that you can recall that means you are actually conscious. Because your brain doesn't stop working when you sleep it's parts just receive less energy that makes you numb and relaxed. Consciousness is actually an illusion. It's memory. Our brain solely exist to collect data in order to adapt to the enviromental changes.

>schizobabble

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>111640155 #
Never mind.

But people have collectively lost every part of the body and their soul remained unchanged

alright what if resides in the brain stem?

>mfw I skipped over that post because I instinctively recognized it as brainlet schizo shit from the capitalization & formatting

That would just open a door for shit quality fiction, arguing the logic of fiction is what makes one better than the other without logic fiction wouldn't be employable for me

you are still not making any sense, if you aren't conscious of it it isn't consciousness is it?

Scientific Evidence is as it happened data, I.E., All That's observable And Testable and where Applicable Recreate-Able

Random capitalization, rampant use of ellipses, multiple unironic exclamation marks
They really do have their own style going on

Have You As It Happened Evidence of the Big Bang and Abiogenesis and Evolution?

>AS IT HAPPENED
>SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
>SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND THAT'S ALL THAT IS OBSERVABLE AND TESTABLE
>BARBAR ARRGH AAARHHJ
Jeez calm down sperg

This is what happens when you give an autist God powers. He's not saying he can't change human nature, just that he doesn't understand humans enough to know how to change it better.

Youre a brainlet, everything is a social construct including maths and science if we'd stop to find the meaning behind the properties we wouldn't achieve anything that's why view points and standards exist under certain standard a concept becomes the objective truth without the standard the concept turns into bullshit because theres not an ultimate proven truth or answer to everything

And yet all you can attest for that is at all purposeful and complex required an intelligent person. But for a change allow the nothingness that you're suggesting created all life and the universe pen your response for you to us. Thereby, don't use your fingers or your means by which---your computer or phone---but instead allow the nothingness that you'd have us believe created all this behave reciprocal from here on all your thoughts.

Orangutans
Chimpanzees
Gorillas
Bottlenose Dolphins
Elephants
Orcas
Bonobos
Rhesus Macaques
European Magpies

All animals with proven self awareness, most of them care for elders and are able to follow simple instruction

>don't become retarded when we go deep underground or in an MRI
I think you're taking the antenna analogy too literally. But you're right, something like that probably is impossible to explain with current science.

You don't have evidence. So say it, say "I'm a believer like theist for there's no as it happened evidence at the moment but I believe it happened as we've purported, and accordingly you can even say that we're faithful for faith is the evident expectation of things not as yet beheld."

so they all have souls too

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But can they block?

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Probably going to hell desu

Unbased and bluepilled

Without the definite existence of consciousness no one in this thread would be able to post or even formulate arguments

what about all the bots and indian/chinese shills?

Live.

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>Dr manhatten can choose any form to shape into
>has his penis out yet it's not even erect

Its like they are trying their best to kill the immersion

I have never once in the entirety of my life felt more strongly that any given human being should commit suicide than I feel you should right now. Nobody that you have ever met has enjoyed your company.

Are you seriously saying Black Lives aren't Matter?

could be, maybe animists were right

>spend an eternity with christcucks with no escape
even the purpoted fantastical best case scenario of the christian faith seems intolerable

He's probably in that clear state of mind you get after you cum but all the time

that must have been quite an emotional outburst. are you okay now, user?

And That's A Good Thing!

youtube.com/watch?v=9gIMZ0WyY88

>even the purpoted fantastical best case scenario of the christian faith seems intolerable

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>machine is immortal
>*rusts*

>spending eternity in gods rectum
Is that pic supposed to make it look appealing or disturbing?

fug :DD

>rectum
>disturbing
>supposed

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>Comic book movie

Would be nice if it were real
youtu.be/Rag_9J1ZC2g?t=14

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It is real.
Right there.
In front of you.
Live, and you will reach it.

I'm talking more about the alleviation of oblivion than a nice forest
Though I do love the world we get to briefly live in

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Love people, the world takes care of itself.

Well you gotta admit those clouds do look like an anus i wouldn't feel comfortable waking up to that sight everyday, also daniel and his friends werent in that oven that was an hologram

You see what you see.
Daniel wasn't even there at all.

It's rather fascinating that atheist and their followers are allowed to dictate the reality of our modern world when they've never proven and nor will they ever prove one iota of any of their Beliefs. For them to prove evolution they'd have to compare what they believe evolution to be in our modern times to the purported first instantiation of evolution that is purported to have happened one billion years ago. Of course they can't do this and never ever will do it and despite this reality they're allowed to control the narrative. Maybe they all need to die. If we killed all the liars then we can 'rest control of the narrative and stifle their Marxist dogma along the way.

No I'm ok, people are trouble
See, this one wants to kill other people because they have different beliefs

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Staggering levels of idiocy in this thread

haven't read the thread but I always read his "can't" as as a "can't" born out of moral principle that human beings are free and should not be ruled like puppets. Imagine how depressing if autonomy of humans are removed. It would depress Manhattan even more.

Examples?

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Their beliefs is why they're ripping children from their Traditional parents and are Deciding to pump children full of Hormones and pretend to be another sex. If you DISGUSTING ATHEIST kept to yourselves there'd be no need to slaughter all of you but that you're kidnapping children to infect them. Which is why you're a believer in big government. You use big government to force your will onto all of us. Maybe Death will remind you of your place. Maybe when enough of you are dead the survivors will return to the obscure from whence they came!

>being an athiest
>being a materialist
>being a determinist
Might as well put a sign over you saying "I'm an egocentric jackass which thinks he has all the answers to the world"

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psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201411/the-puzzle-consciousness

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>"I'm an egocentric jackass which thinks he has all the answers to the world"

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if you don't believe in free will, then how can you be astounded by someone who claims that they do believe it? According to your own beliefs, they didn't have a choice in claiming that they believe in free will

this is also why its hilarious when religious people get buttmad at atheists. like, if your faith is truly that strong, then haven't you already won the argument? you're going to heaven, i'm not...you can tell the true believers from the rest when you confront them with this

sorry for changing tense a million times here

But doesn't you claiming that their answers are wrong put you in the same position?

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Which is why we need to kill them All! They're like the faggot enablers, you either see things their way or they'll take your freedom and children from you. I say kill them.

>Telepathy

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I actually posted the wrong link
plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness/

OG Manhattan was weaker

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Quantum parallelism. Assuredly there's some entangled bits.

>faggot enablers
lol why are stormfags/WBC mainstream these days
even /pol/ used to laugh at shit like this and the word "degeneracy"
what a strange future I've grown up into

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Why wouldn't you believe in soul, supernatural and all that shit? Isn't it boring and depressing to live thinking that you're just a sack of meat and after your death nothing remains of you?

There's nothing incompatible between free will and the laws of physics. Most people who complain about no free will seem to just be bitching about how they didn't get to choose how they were born, which of course is nonsense because you can't exist before you existed. And then when you bring up how the universe isn't deterministic anyway you just get more whining.

What do you want to bring forth from this?

Just was reading it myself and thought it was interesting. Wanted to share it here because it's a decent starting point for the ideas discussed in this thread.

Fuck off my board roastie

It's not really a choice is it? You can't just tell yourself to change your mind on what you believe.
Not to mention reality being shit doesn't make whatever you dream up real.

They're legitimately pushing this agenda of theirs.

>Of course x happened, it's the only thing that could happen, let me explain why my theory is a *totally perfect* method of understanding the world
Determinism always rests on you being able to make a perfect casual chain, materialism always rests on your perception being infinite through stating "matter is all that exists", and atheism usually rests on an athiests' assumption of perfect rationality.

It's the most egocentric set of beliefs possible by their own definitions

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Ah fair enough

You realize a higher power can exist and you could still be made out of chemicals, right?

>human nature

how is this defined?

300 replies and not one fag stopped to ask before spouting nonsensical theories about the manipulation of a vague assumptive expression like "human nature".

But atheist aren't rational. They believe nothing made perfectly DNA when even our best scientist With Years Of Experience, schooling and Commonalities And Advanced Technologies cannot create DNA! AND YET THEYD have us believe that via brownian motion which is the randomly application of states and actualities, Nothing for No reason Chose consecutively trillions of times left handed amino acids unto DNA? MADNESS!

But you can have any of those beliefs and still have an open mind. You yourself likely still have certain beliefs despite your certainty/uncertainty of them. You can be an agnostic theist for example.

He could lobotomize everyone like Superman did with the Arkham inmates.

Can you stop shitting up the thread please?

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No, they believe that early Earth had conditions that allowed for the creation of self-replicating globs of carbon molecules that gradually evolved into modern life.

I know, but it's still inherently egocentric

I love fedorabait for how effectively it exposes basal, animalistic, low-IQ faggots, pedos, and demons from reddit, tumblr, and discord.

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UNTIL EVERY ATHEIST RECANTS! I will never stop. Everyone must learn that you're all a bunch of liars!

Believe. Yes they Believe their fantasy actually happened. But, without scientific evidence it shall remain as real as star wars. So tell them provide for you as it happened Observable Testable and where applicable, Recreate-Able data of their gods.

If you stop giving some made up meaning to the complexity of dna for a second you will easily understand that said dna or anything else really can easily emerge from nothing randomly if you give it enough time and there's nothing special or strange about it.

*tips fedora*

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>Religionfags
lol just believe what the preacher says, see these books? it's the proof!
>Sciencefags
lol just believe what the scientist says, see these books? it's the proof!

Provide for us it happened Data of nothing for no reason penning DNA. And that's as it happened. Seeing as our best technomages are still incapable of creating DNA to say nothing of life, you have to provide for us Scientific Data as to how nothing for no reason surpassed our best and brightest minds despite modern contrivance; technology and school and so on.

Given enough time it'd be overwhelmingly more likely the universe reaches maximum entropy.

I believe in God and all, but this is a bad comparison. Good science can be reproduced from those books to verify it. Not the same thing.

Believing isn't necessary. Intelligent Design is the only answer. Show me a house that self created.

All things were made.

Were the laws of physics made?

Again. Show me As it Happened scientific Data of the big bang and that's Scientific Data: All that's Observable Testable and where Applicable Recreate-able

based schizo user dabbing on the mechanistic nature of reality

Silence All Atheist. If not kill them silence them using some other method. Personally I'd round them all up and send them to Antarctica.