>Tolkien’s demonisation of the orcs in The Lord of the Rings without seeking to understand their motivation betrays a racist belief that some peoples are inferior to others, according to an American author.
>Andy Duncan, a science fiction writer, told the Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast: “It’s hard not to miss that repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others and some peoples are just worse than others and it seems — in the long term, if you embrace this too much — it has dire consequences for yourself and society.” He said that he would rather explore why the orcs were serving Sauron.
>some races are just worse than others and some peoples are just worse than others guess human history is racist
Landon Morris
What a fucking retard. Orcs were canonically a corruption of life itself. Yes, they’re inherently evil, destructive, and chaotic, because their creator was the same. It’s arguable they weren’t even technically autonomous beings, just extensions of their creator’s will and desire to corrupt.
Austin Cook
Some Gondorian just slaughtered a bunch of orc invaders
Jose Scott
The Orcs served Sauron because they were bred by Morgoth to be evil. They’re literal minions to a dark lord. They have no depth and they’re not meant to. Its a fucking children’s tale. Will we critically analyze Rumpelstiltskin next?
>me: "that's not a real article" >it is a real article
Mason Cooper
Didn't uruk hai come from elves? Didn't humans also serve Sauron? Whose to say Sauron was even evil, he just wanted absolute control over middle earth.
Andrew Jenkins
>orc lives matter memes are coming true It's so bizarre.
Cooper Carter
i mean i dont give a fuck but its true. same thing with being beautiful corelates with being good and brave. its basically the morality of ancient greece
Brody Rivera
i would rather explore why the americans are serving the jews
David Reyes
>American author
Stopped right there.
Jace Evans
Vital ally in the Middle East to counteract Iran, but because Israel is so important America lets them dominate their policy
Carter Morris
>Tolkien >Racist Who the fuck writes this kind of idiocy?
Adam Parker
racially pure lands is clearly racist and discriminatory for americans, brits, etc
Hunter Phillips
Despite what Duncan thinks, Tolkien definitely had concerns over implication that the Orcs were beings that were pure evil, as it clashed with his Catholic faith.
Isaiah Carter
look into why iran is an enemy in the first place
Angel Lopez
They were anglos once...
Logan Edwards
But the ORCS were inspired by Tolkiens ww1 experiences fighting the G*RMANS? And everyone knows you can't be racist agains them
i don't give a fuck about their motive either, you attack, i respond. It's easy.
Lucas Cruz
la creatura espantoso...
Ayden Flores
>corrupted beings are evil because they were corrupted by the lord of everything evil >DIS IS RAYCIS What the fuck
Ethan Nelson
Uruks were artificially grown by Saruman
Nathaniel Rodriguez
>He said that he would rather explore why the orcs were serving Sauron.
should've read the books
Gavin Ross
> And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
What the fuck is wrong with those people? Do they have any idea what they're even saying anymore or is it just a hunt for the next thing to be mad about no matter how stupid it is?
Degenerates and mutants should be put to the sword
Christian Howard
It's on kiwi farms
Jose Turner
this, he was apparently hesitant to suggest that orcs did have souls since he didn't beleive that anything with a soul was irredeemable under natural law.
Leo White
Leftardation is a progressive and debilitating disease. It can't be helped, it gets worse day after day, year after year.
Adrian Young
How many people are going to be talking about the works of Andy Duncan in 70 years?
Kevin Bailey
he just killed a bunch of sexist anti gay religious cult members... the left should be happy
>uruk hai Were bred from orcs and Dunland humans by Saruman. At least, that's what Treebeard thought in lotr books and I think Tolkien confirmed this in letters. Whether they were created purely sexually or with magic is hard to say. Mud scene is movie creation. >humans Yeah, some did. >Sauron was evil Tolkien was no moral relativist, so yeah, Sauron was evil. Though he wasn't always evil.
Ryder Cox
all white people are racist, when will you learn? its 2019 cmon.
Jonathan Myers
>LOTR TV series is coming >there will be orc acceptance
It causes outrage among groups that are politically condemned by their bosses and the easiest way to virtue signal their "just" conviction. Do you know a better way to jumpstart your career?
Xavier Sullivan
Orcs can't be bigots.
Christian Collins
Orcs are based.
Jace Turner
>Whose to say Sauron was even evil, he just wanted absolute control over middle earth.
One of Middle Earth's central themes is that desire for control is inherently evil. Morgoth didn't turn Elves into shitty Orcs because he liked them better that way. His ambition just destroyed his ability to create anything good anymore.
Parker White
there will be a female-elf/male-orc relationship, or a half-orc hero fighting orcist oppression 100% guaranteed
Mason Myers
that quote isn't meant to be taken literally, he's just comparing his tone to Tolkiens and highlighting how he does things very differently
Juan Cooper
Top kek
Sebastian Cooper
>"The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately], not many retain that generous sentiment for long." ― Letter 61 — Written to Christopher Tolkien who was stationed in South Africa during World War II.
>"I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White." ― From a Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford in 1959.
>"I must say that the enclosed letter from Rutten & Loening is a bit stiff. Do I suffer this impertinence because of the possession of a German name, or do their lunatic laws require a certificate of arisch origin from all persons of all countries? ... Personally I should be inclined to refuse to give any Bestätigung (although it happens that I can), and let a German translation go hang. In any case I should object strongly to any such declaration appearing in print. I do not regard the (probable) absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable; and I have many Jewish friends, and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." ― Letter 29 — Written in response to Tolkien's German publishers asking whether he was of Aryan origin.
>"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." ― The Two Towers, "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit".
Nolan Wilson
honestly fuck niggers
Evan Young
Someone seen our lotr immigration memes and decided he could harvest some easy clicks by turning it into a times article.
Asher Price
where the fuck do you even find his bullshit clickbait articles. Why the fuck do you care that someone stupid has a stupid opinion. The world is full of idiots, stop wasting your time caring what idiots think.
Jacob Fisher
Did you know that math is racist because it privledges systematic knowledge over magical African knowledge-gathering modalities? welcome to the post-modern world
Sebastian Robinson
>"Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject — which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride. >Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my Abstammung." ― Letter 30 — Written directly to Tolkien's German publishers.
Oliver Brooks
youtu.be/FWUbS00vqEI >The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he comes from, and if he really was evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home, or he would not rather have stayed there... in peace? War will make corpses of us all.
Camden Jones
he's a hack. if he wanted to contrast their stylistic differences, he should've just said how he himself has never made anything worthy of evoking emotion from people, unlike tolkien.
Jonathan Reyes
world salad from a privileged white boy who never had to work hard or suffer a single day in his life FUCK TOLKEIN
Lincoln Jackson
I don't see what the problem with this is. You have to be a literal brainlet to not the see some of the basic themes of LotR >anti-industrialization >loss of cultural >elevation of racial heritage In LotR, people are great because of their bloodlines. Characters like Aragon are meant to be kings and are innately superior others even when they've lost their way. Characters like Bard, who are commoners, achieve great things because it is in their blood. Because they're related to a noble bloodline of heroism etc. Tolkien is white supremacism given form. The entirety to LotR can be boiled down to "white man's burden" and the British Imperialist perspective of civilizing the world. I don't see why this surprises anybody.
Aiden Richardson
Sam says that.
Adrian Jones
I always liked to daydream that after the war of the ring the left over Uruk-hai would have spread out and tried to find a way to survive in the world. Then a Gondorian from the west-south/west portion of Gondor would've hired one as a mercenary bodyguard and then they'd go on little adventures together.
>would not rather have stayed there Don't ignore this part.
Joseph Ross
the issue itself is the attempt to humanize orcs
Kayden Phillips
>I served in the English army FASCIST >regard my German name with pride NAZI I stopped reading. Fuck this worthless Nazi Fuck!
Elijah Wilson
>Shit my books sales fucking suck. I need to grab people's attention. Whats hot right now? Racism and sexism. Ok, lets pick something really popular and shit all over it about racism and sexism maybe if I whinge about it enough people will begin to notice.
Fuck you shill, I'm not looking into your shit and I'm not signing up to readers digest in order to read the stupid fucking article.
Luis Smith
The orcs can be seen as black people today. A group, with thoughts and desires of their own, given no constructive outlet for frustration. Frustrations created by, and fostered by a supremicist system.
Sorry but you know deep down its true, all y'all say how glad you are to be white. Admit it, it gives you a source of unearned pride.
Maybe orcs, and by extension blacks, are violent because thats all you've given them. Look in the mirror if you want to see the true evil demon.
Asher Butler
>Didn't uruk hai come from elves? >when elves turn ugly they also become evil pottery
Aiden Miller
I have a suspicion the bloggers who write these post them on Yea Forums because it will give them a few extra clicks from people that bother to look them up and clicks are all they care about in the end
Gavin Nelson
I'm not going to sign up for that site to read a retard's ramblings, but does he acknowledge that orcs descended from elves? kind of blows up his whole point
Oliver Turner
but i am inherently better than you because i would never come up with something so retarded
Tolkien's father died when Tolkien was very young his mother very hard struggled to take care of her children because her relatives disowned her following her conversion to Catholicism, something Tolkien was also treated like an outlier for, particularly at Oxford. He also fought in WW1, didn't you know? And he was born in South Africa so don't try to argue that he never encountered black people either.
Ryder Clark
>implying LotR isn't decidedly anti-American Have you seen how they treat goblins and orcs? Hell, all they seem to talk about is eating or violent deeds
Ryan Brown
Elves are born racist. Every pointy-eared sparkling one of them!
Admit that black folk are oppressed, and need reperations.
Think about that collective easing of guilt if reperations were given to those who deserve it. Y'all wont let us leave, so at least pay up
Logan Morgan
Doesn't this show racism on the criticizers' part? I never even thought to associate orcs with a real life minority race. The fact that it's present in their minds is telling
Daniel Anderson
>immediately assume that when they talk about orcs they mean black people
Who’s the racist here?
Tyler Walker
>I paid for an Uruk-Hai, not an orc! Maybe I should leave your gormless tusked face off in the plains of Rohan if you'll just act like this!
Parker Bell
I always picture the people who write and unironically read shit like this having a half-helmet of pink hair framing their thumb heads, and a useless, vestigial penis laid waste by hormones
Orcs aren't even human, they're supposed to be literal monsters. That's like saying that Alien promotes animal abuse because Xenomorphs are the villains.
Evan Morales
For all you know Orcs' only desire is human meat whose pursuing was greatly fulfilled.
Cooper Robinson
I was surprisingly disconnected from this, it really didn’t look real, until he executed that old woman in the street when she was calling for help
Nathaniel Hernandez
I guess rapists aren’t any lesser of a person than a hard working wage slave, eh? FUCK OFF
Aaron Flores
>born in South Africa colonizing piece of SHIT
Owen Adams
i don't give a fuck about niggers, there are zero blacks in my country, so it's not up to me acknowledge your delusions of gibsmedats.
Dylan Nguyen
I've honestly gotten to the point where shit like this doesn't faze me anymore
Matthew Lee
>Y'all wont let us leave, so at least pay up I know this is b8 but this one's funny. WHO doesn't let you leave? The problem is GETTING you to fuck off back to Africa. Nigs are literally infesting Yurop as we speak looking for gibs.
Ryder Wilson
There is someone out there who is actually that stupid. It's so weird, just what went wrong with this civilization?
John Cox
>I never even thought to associate orcs with a real life minority race
This is EXACTLY what makes you a racist You see miniorites suffering, marginalised, and you think "ho hum, ill just sit here and enjoy this movie". This is the definition of privilege.
Please be more considerate in the future.
Matthew Thomas
Were black people bred by Satan?
Luke Baker
Mark my words - you read it here first: Sooner rather than later, these SJW writers and 'journalists' are going to suggest the food chain is an outdated heirarchy of oppression.
Ethan Bennett
He's a Hugo Award , best-selling Sci-Fi author who teaches college classes.
white btw
Justin Lewis
>i don't give a fuck about niggers
Holy shit this is problematic
Lincoln Cook
So it's wrong to call all white people Nazis, then?
Sebastian Brooks
global warming is racist because coastal cities are full of poor minorities who will drown first check your mountain privilege, hillbilly
Carson Taylor
how so?
Brandon Hughes
how so?
Tyler Perez
What's next, demons are also misunderstood?
David Wilson
>WHO doesn't let you leave?
The governments of the west. Next idiotic question.
Every single black person ive spoken with loves the idea of a nation run by blacks, for blacks. And yet they still remain in the west. Can YOU explain why? Thought not
Jacob Harris
I have to get out of here
Jayden Brooks
good riddance nigger spastic
Juan Adams
Kek. I'm putting this on my script, thanks user. I'll insert your post number too if I can.
Kayden Jenkins
>The governments of the west The level of delusion of this lmao.
>And yet they still remain in the west Because they get free gibs by doing literally nothing and popping kids. Gee, I wonder why a race of indolent thugs would stay under these conditions?
Oliver King
Hive mind? Anyways when one is in a position of privilege they have a duty to those who are suffering. To use the N word is dehumanising. I thought this was a blue board, doesnt that mean its SFW and swearing is a no-no?
Juan Gonzalez
no one is stopping blacks from all going back to africa. but they rather stay in america or euro countries and stay on welfare. hell if lincon didn't get killed he would have send all the freed slaves back to africa
Well yeah, that's my point. You wouldn't expect someone who is fairly educated and apparently gifted in one specific aspect to talk so much bollocks. I don't understand where these people come from. Do we just have it to good?
Owen Jenkins
You mean black people were created by THE BIG EVIL to be evil, do evil things and kill other people? You mean that they are a threat to our civilization and that they should be systematically fought against and destroyed? You mean that their existence is the reason the people of many other countries live in fear? Cool, I agree. They should be killed.
To be fair, in cities like Miami property value inland is now increasing and driving poor people toward lower lying neighborhoods where flooding can more easily occur but has traditionally been valuable due to proximity to the beach.
Not racism, but there are going to be some serious consequences for poor people when a mega hurricane inevitably hits.
>The governments of the west. How? What are the governments of the west doing to prevent you from immigrating?
>Every single black person ive spoken with loves the idea of a nation run by blacks, for blacks. And yet they still remain in the west. Because here they get welfare and affirmative action and preferential treatment when entering college as well as the benefit of living in a stable society that whites busted ass to build, while in a nation run by blacks they would get nothing but AIDS and an AK-bullet to the back for descending from the Umu-gumu Tribe rather than the Gumu-umu Tribe.
Whoo boy, we're never going to hear the end from Libcucks about this one, are we? I can't wait for the inevitable reprisal attacks on whites that will assuredly go unreported as well.
Anthony Rodriguez
Obviously. But literally the only politicians in the US who acknowledges classism over racism is Bernie and he's a socialist Jew. Republicans pretend like classism is a virtue and democrats only care about race.
Fuck this goddamned country. The people of the United States deserve their fate.
Jason Ross
again there are no niggers in my country so i couldn't care less about you, just like you couldn't even locate my country on a map. feel free to try again.
Elijah Jones
>I know the faggots on voat do but why do you, OP? Because just like in case of that fucktard Smollett, this shit is used to push actual legislative, you oblivious poopy head.
Zachary Richardson
I’d like to see Don Cheeto as Legolas.
Matthew Jackson
based anglos serve jews since Cromwell had to borrow jewish money to kill the King, I'm not even baiting
Gabriel Diaz
Off to Liberia leftshit nigger, paradise on Earth, it has even identical Constitution to America, only for black people.
Nicholas Ramirez
Don't forget the new "alt-right hate image" because of the shooters twitter profile pic (picrelated)
Does anyone have the article of Aragorn being slandered by the orcs?
Zachary Nguyen
Nah, those in power don't give a shit about those suffering. You think any of the billionaires on this Earth care there's literally billions of people starving in Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East? No, those billionaires couldn't give less of a fuck. They'll pretend to and some may even donate to charities so they can pat themselves on the back. But deep down they don't care.
Thomas Phillips
>mind set on profit
Juan Gonzalez
To be fair, you can't deny that outrage culture online influences voter decisionmaking. Normies literally get their news from FB and Twitter now. Fake news is shared constantly and just taken at face value.
Andrew Morris
Can't believe he got away with it.
Thomas Lopez
>One in a position of privilege has a duty to those who are suffering Just say everybody else but me is privileged and I'm suffering .... Profit.
When a /pol/tard says it is right and Tolkien is based and redpilled, when a moron says it on the media is anti-white propaganda against Christian Tolkien.
Jason Nelson
And people are going to use this event to baselessly dismiss anyone bringing attention to the fact that world-leaders are literally replacing white natives with imported third-world Muslim fundamentalists.
This faggot may have set our societal discourse back by years by doing this.
I'm almost starting to think it was a False-Flag.
Lucas Ward
That's exactly my point. Why the hell is Yea Forums falling prey to this ridiculous bullshit? Let the faggots on facebook get outraged by this obviously fake shit.
Henry Lopez
This. A generally racist undertone and understanding is obvious, and the nerds justifying it with in-universe logic don't understand shit.
The point is, though, it just doesn't fucking matter, at all. Go on with your day folks.
Jayden Cooper
Who gives a shit. Muslim blows himself up at the concert full of little girls, we still have footage of torn kids and leftshits have memory holed it in three days. I am done entertaining those cocksuckers.
Mason Moore
>False-Flag that's terrorist talk
Benjamin Parker
>clickbait pushes legislative Kamala Harris and her clique introduced anti-lynching bill based on the attack on her friend Smollett, you dummy dum dum.
Colton Kelly
Uh... where have you been? It's all racist. The "good" races are all white. The "bad" ones are darker skinned and usually from the east. Goblins look like racist Jewish caricatures for that very reason as well.
Fantasy in general is a romanticized version of yr olde European life that no one but white people want to return to.
Michael Harris
>elves captured by Melkor >have their minds twisted to commit acts of mindless evil They have no free will. To suggest that they're even a conscious form a life is a stretch, much less a race. Outrage merchants see a race of twisted evil mutilated freaks and immediately think "negroid".
Luke Reyes
Maybe they realize that LOTR fans are conservative-ish and filling such an expensive production with demisexual elves of color is probably a bad idea.
Headlines in The Times 'show today's journalism is retarded'
Sebastian Murphy
>t. negroid
Christopher Ross
>a genetically engineered race of evil monsters created by the devil by corrupting the other races so he can take over the world >"are we sure they're bad?"
I'm starting to think there isn't enough rope in the world.
Nolan Edwards
Reminder the lord of the rings was filmed in New Zealand.
Carter Gutierrez
>Reminder the lord of the rings was filmed in New Zealand. Thanks user, I'm sure nobody remembered this fact despite it being the most well-known fact about the trilogy.
Benjamin Evans
They're literal fucking monsters, not a race of people. What the fuck is wrong with these fucking retards
Dylan Rogers
>comparing uruks and orcs with real life races whoever thinks like this, including the author, is the actual fucking racist in this conversation
Brayden Adams
Ah, the fine tradition of haradrim slaying.
Thomas Butler
Probably not even comparing with the right ones. Like Mordor orcs have nothing in common with nogs (besides some violence), they are a bit mongol like but that's about it.
Easton Garcia
wow that's incredibly racist of you to imply white people's wishes don't matter
Robert Smith
only functioning democracy in the middle east
Michael Jones
I'm not white tho
Landon Sanders
dat revisionist history. everyone was trying to figure out how to get rid of freed slaves cause while they thought slavery was immoral they didn't want a bunch of assholes flooding the job market making life hell for everyone.
Brandon Nguyen
>He said that he would rather explore why the orcs were serving Sauron. If anyone was wondering orcs are literal mud golems under the direct control of the bad guy. That's why they are generally thought of as "not good"
Caleb Martinez
All the best journalists have a mastery of click-bait.
Justin Reyes
4channers completely deny that they're just falling for clickbait. They think they *really* see the world. In reality this shit's tailor made for the average /pol/tard.
Colton Barnes
AFAIK, back when the books were released, people though Mordor represented the USSR (which Tolkien vehemently denied).
Ayden Johnson
>folks.
fuck off
Adam Kelly
This isn't any different from the real life transhumanists who have no problem admitting the fact that we want to completely replace baseline humanity with "superior" genetically modified humans or cyborgs. Even if it entails a conflict that will result in the active extermination of baseline humanity they are claiming to help.
>Peak Empire Bong was racist >in other news, the sun came out today
Thomas Harris
>A generally racist undertone and understanding is obvious, and the nerds justifying it with in-universe logic don't understand shit.
Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, is more easy to understand the whole LOTR scenario where Sauron is Satan and Orcs are demons, while elves are closer to shides/angels. Mages are humans, somekind of prophets, even the idea of a good prophet (Gandalf) who sacrifice himself and come back from the death VS a evil prophet (Saruman) who plays as the anti-christ.
There needs to be a name for these types of people who are obsessed with denying inheritant determinism. >pitbull lovers >race egalitarians >fantasy writers that write brutish races with the same intelligence as all others It's all birds of a feather. It's all the same type of person with the same mindset.
Now that I think of it, Azog and his crew in the hobbit were the palest people around.
Camden Jones
live action lion kind has a white scar
Dylan Flores
>He said that he would rather explore why the orcs were serving Sauron.
obviously, this piece of cuck didn't read the book it's literally said that orcs are Sauron's slaves
Dylan Rogers
The pitbull debate is so hard to get a solid feel for since both sides are so passionate about it.
I feel like the stats around them have to mostly be based on the fact that they're primarily owned by niggers. My dad was attacked by his aunt's German shepherd when he was younger so i dont think anectdotal evidence is great.
Thomas Lopez
no idea what you want to convey, I'm no anglo and the word seemed normal to me.
Yes. And? There's no contradiction there in case you think that.
Sebastian Turner
primarily owned by meth cooks who want to keep junkies away from their labs
Christian Baker
The orcs of gunabad and other northern holds are pale
Matthew Nguyen
The thing with pitbulls is that "pitbull" isn't a real breed, it refers to a wide range of mutts.
Landon Reed
Tolkein was born in the 1800's, at the peak of British Empire, of course he was racist, they literally thought all other races were inferior to Anglo Saxons and needed civilising, that was just the prevailing norm. No point getting spergy about it 100 years laters.
I really dont give a shit if they change a few things in the incels favorite fantasy book. And it was racist, unconsciously.
Matthew Cox
LotR is high fantasy, HP is low fantasy.
Autists tend to prefer high fantasy for the world building. Normies prefer low so they don't have to learn too much.
Luke Ortiz
>orcs are black >no contradiction with orcs are demons You are the racist here, not Tolkien.
Eli Brooks
Same. Soon reality will surpassed even the wildest memes. >or is it just a hunt for the next thing to be mad about no matter how stupid it is? Precisely. They live such sheltered lives that they have nothing to write about, so they seek something to rally behind so they can feel they even remotely belong somewhere.
Ayden Cooper
>The pitbull debate is so hard to get a solid feel for since both sides are so passionate about it. Look up the number of pit bulls in the us then the number of pitbull attracts. Its not until you realize that pitbulls only get the opportunity to maul one person before it's put down that the numbers prove that over 75% of all pits sooner or later will fucking murder someone.
Jaxon Powell
>it was racist, unconsciously. I agree that it doesn't matter if races are changed and whatnot, but the races of middle earth arent all human, so comparing them to human races is just dumb. Imagine if the planet had 2 divergent species of sapient beings--like if dolphins ended up nearly as smart as us. There would be inherent differences. Tolkein didnt write about the same species diverging into different races--Man, Elf, Dwarf, Hobbit, etc. Are all distinction species.
Jayden Cook
>over 75% of all pits sooner or later will fucking murder someone. The same amount of homosexuals who molest children!
Why are the Jews protecting the pitbulls??
Liam Thompson
No, they did not and one man's delusional rambling does not represent the overall view of subjects of the British crown.
Brayden Bailey
>of course he was racist Apart from the fact he pretty much saw racism as evil and portrayed it as such in the books, which is possibly a part of his devout Christianity.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Camden Edwards
>they have a darker skincolour >Tolkien meant that orcs are actually sub-saharian africans and arabs etc
am i doing this right? You know that the racist viewpoint and lore isn't only about dark orcs, right?
Dylan Brooks
I'm so glad I got to read the books as a 9 year old kid. Enjoyed the absolute kino cinematic experience in my early teens and now recently got the blu ray extended versions as an adult.
LOTR will forever be the best and I refuse to support its new...revisited versión.
Juan Perez
Good. fuck nonwhites
Robert James
Dog breeding here. I cant recomend a Pitbull to anyone, we stop breeding here because we had several accidents with the dogs. Is harmful like a tiger or a bear, you can train then with all the love of the world but they somehow snap, get mad and then is too late.
Tyler Bell
Any group who colonizes must to some degree believe they are superior to the natives whose land they colonize. You wouldn't seize land from people you deemed equal to you.
Asher Martinez
The people that the British Empire colonized were not the only people on the planet.
Easton Walker
>One Man's delusional ramblings
He was the governor of South Africa and his diamond company de beers still controls like 60% of all diamond trade in the world.
Xavier Young
Saruman bred uruk hai with some kind of evil rituals in Isengard. Orcs in general were made by Morgoth for the sole purpose of destroying things.
Parker Jenkins
>Breeding "pitbulls" Which of like the 10 fucking widely varied breeds are you referring to?
Aiden Adams
>blu ray kys
Camden Murphy
They colonized representatives of pretty much every non-white race on earth though.
Jordan Cox
The irony being his grand opus will be best remembered as centering around a mary sue bringing thousands of rapist scum to a war torn country and getting away with it because the progressive twats writing it don't or can't comprehend that scenario in any way.
Nathan Lewis
W-why ;_;
James Diaz
Based. If you're not a light haired, light eyed, Anglo, you're not human.
Ryan Sanchez
Young Tolkien had those BEADY eyes, a bit like Mosley, now that I think of it.
Matthew Perez
>>Tolkien meant that orcs are actually sub-saharian africans and arabs etc
Do you realize that orcs comes from old english "orcneas", which appears in the epic poem Beowulf, and refers to one of the races who are called the offspring of Cain during the initial description of Grendel. So Orcs have an origin in european folktales, not on African-arabs culture. your idead abut Orcs being blacks comes more from artists who illustrated more modern versions of LOTR than Tolkien.
In a letter of 1954 Tolkien gave orc as "demon" and claimed he used the word because of its "phonetic suitability.
Eli Phillips
Are they literally just turning Yea Forums shitposts into articles? anons have been making orc racist threads for years
Kevin Peterson
>black dudes chop other black dudes heads off in Mozambique searching for gold in dem dere bald heads because.. the white man did it
LOTR orcs literally hate every other race and want to kill them all
Jaxson Ward
Because oil backs money like gold used to, and Iran wanted to mess with countries that have oil. >hurr killing fo muney Killing for global stability
Bentley Ross
The Orcs are flesh eating monsters, how the fuck did you create a parallel to human ethnicity?
back to /pol/
Ryder Perry
I don't even give a fuck about pits. Gas them all for all i care. I just know the idea that 3 out of 4 of a dog breed attacking someone bad enough to go to a hospital is an unbelievable statistic at face value. If it were true this wouldn't be a debate. They'd just be flat-out outlawed or treated like exotic pets. I know more than 4 people with pit bulls and none have attacked anyone, so by your point i must be living in a crazy statistical anomaly. Not saying i don't, but my inclination at any given time is that I'm probably not involved in lottery-winning odds.
Jackson Robinson
To all regional variations. Some people love Pitbulls and thats OK, but again, the diference between with a regular dog is the same from a cat to a tiger. I cant recomend a german sheppard, rottweiler or doberman, they are guardian dogs, not pets.
Samuel Collins
The author saw the meme and said "we need to take that seriously". There's nothing profound or unrealistic about it. You take it seriously too. Everyone here does. The whole point of it was "Why don't normies see the truth!?" And now one author does.
Henry Perez
Look up the numbers yourself. They are outlawed in most cities
This is the internet argument version of one dude dressing up like a chick so the others don't have to feel gay blowing loads on him.
Jonathan Howard
Ackshully, Uruk-Hai is just an orc breed that have existed for the better part of a millennia. Saruman just bred them.
Charles Thompson
Who cares? It's some literal who author trying to piggyback on a dead man to make controversy he can use to sell himself. I guarantee nobody knows who he is, or cares.
You are confusing that with uruks. Uruk hai is Saruman's thing. Though it would worth to point out that Uruk hai could still be just Saruman's uruks while goblin-men (some that were spies) were the ones he breed from orcs and dunlandings. Not sure if Tolkien clarified this.
Carter Watson
Orcs were a parody of everything Tolkien learned to dislike about humans during WW2. The war mongering, the ingenuity to create tools of destruction, reckless industrialization etc. That's why they are so inconsistent as a race. In the books they are mostly described to be stupid, yet are also able to create literal tanks during the battle of the Pelennor Fields hint hint. It's not subtle and it's not to be taken at face value as a naturalistic depiction of some alternative world.
Brody Martin
you go back up and read the whole last point, then back up to my first post, to which
replied >did you create a parallel to human ethnicity I didn't though. That was never the point. The world of Lotr is build on the coneption of clear races with clear, moral properties. The whole talk of what is basically degeneration from the good ancestors, age of men, etc blabla only completes the picture.
But, again, it's really not important. Other than media depending on klicks by outrage by beeing needlessly offensive in their framing, noone should care about this rather theoretic background property of a great work of fiction by a man born in the century before last century. "Stop beeing offendend by facts", I'd add if I thought you were poltards, which i dont.
When fiction becomes as politicised as it has, there's no choice but to take it seriously. Choosing not to is just willful disarmament against someone else wielding power at you.
Jonathan Myers
they were germans
Gavin Jenkins
Not him, but that is not irrelevant. The people writing these kinds of articles are literally the ones pushing for and achieving censorship across the internet. Banks, professors, legislators, law enforcement, etc, all listen to them.
Parker Garcia
And so it begins... the great sjw battle of our time.
Ayden Morgan
>Nazis in Schindler's List show Spielberg is racist
What now, Schlomo?
Camden Jackson
Did he say they were stupid? I just remember orcs being described as clever but they only use their skills to make weapons
Justin Adams
Well, probably mostly derrived from what he perceived as German traits considering his background but not exclusively. Industrialization is not specifically German.
Oliver Allen
I think he did. At least I remember several dialogues portraying them as pretty dim witted creatures.
Nolan Collins
The orcs are descended from Elves who were tormented and experimented on by Morgoth or Melkor, whatever his name is. So basically, the Elves who were captured by Morgoth/Melkor, had to evolve and adapt to the subterranean environment they were living in as well as adapt to the horrible tortures and experiments that were conducted on them. That's what I think anyway.
Cooper Morgan
Is the article writer racist?
Luke Diaz
Boromir and Faramir were both bros and extremely based. That's how you fucking write a great character, modern movie and tv writers should take inspiration.
Aiden Williams
>black people are corrupted life forms spawned by the greatest evil being in existence to attempt to eradicate or subjugate all other creatures under his will
user that's racist
Alexander Howard
>tfw Yea Forums memes became true
Juan Lee
announcing a report is against the rules. cya
Jayden Jones
>be little nigga >mom don't get you to school >come back from school and some punk nigga threatens you >can't play in the streets of your hood like every other kid on the planet cause nigga criminals shootin at each other >grow up fucked up Yep, it's the "system", not the other niggas. Niggas be good, niggas dindu nothing and niggas love and care for each other.
Uruks and Uruk-Hai are the same breed. Uruk-Hai is just used to refer to Saruman's Uruks/Master Race Orcs, and Black Uruks refer to Sauron's Uruks/Master Race Orcs, and even Tolkien sometimes used them interchangeably.
>Orc is the form of the name that other races had for this foul people as it was in the language of Rohan. In Sindarin it was orch. Related, no doubt, was the word uruk of the Black Speech, though this was applied as a rule only to the great soldier-orcs that at this time issued from Mordor and Isengard. The lesser kinds were called, especially by the Uruk-hai, snaga 'slave'.
What the fuck is wrong with pitbulls? And what the fuck is even human "races"?
Jason Miller
once again the libtard outs itself as being more racist than anyone could've possibly imagined and it totally oblivious to that fact disgusting
Levi Jenkins
And then Sauron conquered the world and murdered their stupid asses. The End.
Ryder Diaz
Again, so you're saying to me that my experience is truly exceptional, and that the vast majorty of people who know someone with a pit actually know someone whose dog has attacked bad enough that a person had to go to the hospital?
Thomas Moore
But everyone in movies must talk like modern day Californian's who spends most of their free time posting on twitter!
It's not like tones, settings and unique character voices is writing 101, fucking bigot!
Connor Flores
I felt sorry for the orcs in the cartoon. They didn't want to go to war but where there's a whip, there's a way.
Sounds like bullshit. If you get a motherfucking dog like a pitbull and don't even know how to train him and deal with him it's your fault, not the dog's.
Even fucking cats develop bad habits that can be dangerous for the owner, if the cats were a little bigger in size, like for example a medium dog, they could effortlessly kill a person. My fucking tiny 3KG cat can probably remove chuks of meat from my arms if she wanted, she plowed through my skin several times.
Saying that pitbulls are dangerous is retarded, of course they're fucking dangerous, they're carnivorous animals with strong as fuck jaws and big teeth.
John Ramirez
I personally know 2 people who's dogs got put down. But then again I'm not asking you to form an opinion on my personal experience. I can't change your mind, only you can do that. I'm asking you to look at facts and make up your own mind.
The only way I'm wrong is if there's just a few dogs that have been running around bitting just a shitton of people
Benjamin Collins
I re-read the books a month ago and Boromir semed like kind of a faggot compared to Faramir. He was noble and brave, of course, but Faramir is depicted as this uber-Chad who is strong and wise and fair and great. It was even mentioned that he looks more like one of the Numenorean lords of old than whatever the fuck the other Gondorians and his family look like.
Charles Allen
>“It’s hard not to miss that repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others and some peoples are just worse than others and it seems
I thought they would have reached this conclusion with his whole "Elves are superior to everyone at everything combined, and they never grow old or get sick either" part first.
We live in a time where instead of striving to be virtuous people, whatever that means, we find every kind of possible excuse for avoiding to take that responsibility. Now the shame is on the virtuous.
Colton Wilson
they should be illegal, clearly a breed more prone to violence than others
Nicholas Hernandez
user, im not trying to say my anectdotal evidence trumps reality. But if i went up to you today and said "did you know 3/4 American asians eat cats?" You'd go "i know that less developed asian cultures do tend to eat animals like that, but I've never met an asian who does that and 3/4 is an awfully high fraction so i thibk I'd have run into one by now if that were true..."
I'm in the same boat. Probability wise it seems more likely that youre misinterpreting data or referring to incorrect data based on my prior research and personal experience. Could you be right? Sure. But you're basing this on your own analysis of 2 figures you have seen, and any user's random analysis requires a significant amount of proof if it flies in the face of what i think i know.
You understand that, right?
James Hill
Imagine writing that shit thinking that it makes these types of nihilistic intellectuals look good and elves look bad for wanting to defend middle earth.
I unironically thought this was a /pol/ comic but then I realized the art style of that faggot and the walls of text with no jokes he always makes.
There isn't a single civilisation on this planet that isn't unconsciously racist, but only one of them is ever told it has to elevate itself to the point of self-immolation to "do better," than everyone else.
Gavin Flores
I completely understand. So based on your research how many pitbull bites did hospitals report last year and how does that stack up against the number of pitbulls?
Brayden King
Humour is subjective user. Existential comics has gone pretty stale and has always been made by a pinko, but the presented comic is just funny, nothing more. Imagine beeing so dumb to think the goal was to make the elves in-universe look bad. Imagine using words like nihilism without any idea what they mean, or without any reading ability. oh wait, you dont have too
Not him but it wasn't funny and it's pretty obvious the artist is jacking himself off by showing his "intellectual superiority".
Adam Roberts
It's appropriate you used a leftwing twat actor as your reaction image.
Eli Myers
its pretty obvious he's making fun of the philosophers included, while beeing a lotr nerd, even if he thinks theyre mostly right irl. compare with his Kant playing DnD
