Martyrs

Or maybe they don't want people to watch it

best video from the last Prodigy album

why would she be content with that

>Netflix
Netflix catalog is just random, it has some originals, new movies but it doesn't have a lot of good movies but it has some? Why should I bother and not just pirate everything?

doesn't make sense that the old lady killed herself, unless she was told
>heaven exists and it's the greatest thing ever and the only way to get in is to kill yourself

>Why isn't this movie on Netflix though?
because even shitty movies like Martyrs is too good for Netflix

Martyrs is pretty much perfect. I remember watching it for the first time and getting to the point where Lucie died and thinking to myself, if the movie stopped right now I would think of it as an absolute masterpiece. And then the second half comes in and is somehow just as brilliant, albeit in an incredibly different way.

>despite making up only 13% of population, blacks commit 52% of homicides

>what a GREAT movie
Nah, it's just edgy.

Look mom I posted it again!

Or that there is no afterlife and their decades long search is completely meaningless. Or she lied. Could have been anything really.
it's been a while since I've watched it but at the end they say how long she was in that "state" before finally dying, so whatever she said wasn't just a sentence.

I really enjoyed it. I found it while I was an edgy teenager looking for fucked up movies like Serbian Film and HC.
But I felt this one actually had artistic value. It's cerebral and only uses the torture as a vehicle to reveal the existential message. I need to rewatch this now that I'm older, this was maybe like 7 years ago

“[complete names of everyone in the cult], you are not going to heaven”

"Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"

Same.When i saw that basement girl i already knew what was coming,but i think it was made up that way tough
I think the shocking thing is not to know,anything besides that would be just awesome,but not knowing is memorable.I would say that almost for sure the afterlife was real,the old lady says so.

fantastic movie
saw it during a festival
shocked for 2 days
I think there are 3 different walls, each with 2 doors
first wall: intentions of the martyr
door A: she tells the truth to the old bitch
door B: she lies to the old bitch

2nd wall: what does the martyr tell to the old woman
door A: something amazing that the old bitch would love to see
door B: that there is nothing at all

3rd wall: what does the old woman do, then aka why she suicides?
Door A: out of sadness/insatisfaction
Door B: out of joy, to go find what she has told her

now chose what you believe... here are some examples:
AAA: she tells the truth, that there is something amazing, and the old woman is not happy
BAB: she lies, telling here something amazing awaits her, and the poor old bitch acts because of that
go figure

I forgot sharing my point of view of all these
the first day I saw it, I thought that she told the truth, that there was something amazing, and the old woman acts accordingly
but after watching the movie again, and seeing that the girl is a fighter, totally acting as someone who wants to transcend over her captors, I think she lied to her, telling her something amazing was awaiting, just to basically kill be old bitch
at the end of the day, the old bitch can always use other martyrs for the same cause, so I think the only good outcome is rusing her into ending all this travesty

My theory is that the girl whispers that the afterlife is something absolutely sublime, given her facial expression... and also that neither the old lady nor anyone else in that cult will inherit that paradise, because of the awful things they committed.

Great posts, your BAB theory seems the most plausible imo, with her last breath lies to the old woman so she could end that secret society by finishing off the headmaster

great point. I think the old bitch ending her life probably made the cult disintegrate, thus the girl managed to have her revenge, and also become the true pinnacle of martyrdom, for she sacrificed herself in order that no-one else will ever have to endure those horrible tortures again.

thank you
I guess that I am putting some of my own wishful thinking, and I am revolting against the idea that she dies and loses
I prefer believing that she ends up winning over all those fucks, and that she conquered what she had to endure, like a martyr, basically
fantastic movie
goosebumps reading this
the movie honestly hit me hard when I saw it back then

watched it as a teenager, it's a fantastic movie, very clever. but nowadays, as an adult, I don't think I have stomach to ever rewatch it. it's far too graphic. but to anyone that can manage it I recommend watching.

>I think the old bitch ending her life probably made the cult disintegrate, thus the girl managed to have her revenge, and also become the true pinnacle of martyrdom, for she sacrificed herself in order that no-one else will ever have to endure those horrible tortures again.
lmao you fucking americans and your forced happy endings

>kys

>lmao you fucking americans and your forced happy endings
not him, but it is a good explanation to why the elder woman suicides
for better or for worse, the protag mentally succeeds

You guys are all much bigger optimists than I am. The way I take the end is that it's a story about how the rich and powerful use the people below them to do the heavy lifting on discoveries and then steal that knowledge for themselves. Anna is systematically brutalized and tortured so that the knowledge that she gained and earned herself can be stolen from her, by the people who did this. And Mademoiselle kills herself because she's to much of a selfish cunt to share the knowledge she stole from Anna.

Okay, Marx.

A stirring counter point.

i agree with both points
The whole thing, in particular the beginning of the movie, clearly shows the contrast of the girls being kidnapped vs the happy family
same with the ending, when all the old fucks are arriving at the gathering, in big cars, and perfect clothes

the thing about madmoiselle is fascinating, and I agree she could probably suicide just to leave with the truth, and leave everybody wondering

I actually laughed out loud when Mademoiselle said "keep doubting" and then immediately shot herself. It was such a shocking fuck you that I couldn't do anything but.

i'm no american but I guess I try to be optimistic as fuck all the time, life is rough ;_;

>implying i need a counterpoint for marxist bullshit

Mademoiselle committed suicide due to any of the following 3 options:

1- that the afterlife truly exists and is something so wonderful, so overwhelmingly beautiful, that she wanted desperately to go there
2- that the afterlife truly exists, but is something completely dull or even downright horrible, nothing like she ever imagined, and out of frustration and despair for having nowhere else to go and finally knowing the truth, she commits suicide
3- that there is no afterlife at all, making her year-long cult beliefs completely meaningless and rendering her utterly devoid of any reason to keep on living
4- that the afterlife truly exists, is something amazing, but mademoiselle will never achieve it, because she is a fucking horrible person.

any of these reasons seem reasonable theories as to why she killed herself. it was a great twist.

or that she got rused

Alright bootlicker

Do you kringeoids actually think this shit is good? Its edgy garbage.

I remember when Pascal Laugier was slated to direct a reboot of Hellraiser but he wanted to do some gay S&M shit and the studio told him to just shit out another franchise instalment more akin to Freddy vs Jason and he walked

I'm sorry the movie made you scared, go cry to mommy about how it's the movies fault you're a raging pussy and couldn't get past the violence to do any reading of the text.

I would watch the living shit out of his take on hellraiser.

in my opinion, the most obvious is
>she is too old, so nothing to lose
>the afterlife is better, let's go right the fucking now
but the
>I am a literal cunt, and I am suiciding because I want to leave with the secret forever
is also plausible

the thing that I truly love about this movie is how it evolves
at first it looks like an invasion movie
then, it gets into something that seems ghost like... like the girl is seeing stuff that does not exist
then the whole deal with the helmet girl, which is nightmare fuel at its finest
then the whole torture shit that is horrible
and then the reveal, that I was honestly not expecting
really cool movie, although I would probably not watch it again. I think this is a one time only type of deal

Ya, the ending is super up to interpretation with good textual evidence. It's one of those things where your interpretation says more about you than the movie itself.

Sneed

Yeah, this. It's a ride. One of the best horror film experiences I've ever had.

What I loved most was how it progressed into a genuinely interesting philosophical conundrum which reframed all the bizarre horror and violence and gave it purpose and believability.

However it didn't really go in-depth into the philosophy (I still think the very, very end is a cop-out) and the shock value does wear off a bit on second viewing.

It's seriously 10/10 enjoyable on first viewing but like a 8/10 on second.

I still haven't seen the remake. Might be worth a go at some point.

While the gore part hit less hard on my second viewing, the sadness of the second half actually hit much harder for me. Seeing Lucie attacked by her mind is much more tragic when you know what it is and why it's happening.

Sorry, sadness of the first half.

Based

BXX contradicts the premise for martyrdom laid out in the movie. Its explicitly stated that one achieves absolute serenity, implying whatever grudge or desire for revenge one might have held due to being subjected to all sorts of horrific torture, would - by definition - become meaningless.

I believe she told her the truth that there is nothing and the the serenity was merely the consequence of having endured to the point were nothing matters any more and having accepted it.