Fuck, it's actually pretty good now. Tonight was another winner

I'm following the pattern I did last season, where I get bored of waiting for the next fucking episode.

Gonna wait for them all to release then binge watch.

Fuck off shill

Whenever there’s an episodic plot I start to think this is okay! Whenever the overarching plot kicks in I want to throw up more then I can eat.

On an unrelated note, I’m still disappointed that the female engineering officer hasn’t made it to the permanent cast. She’s the best.

I forgot this shit existed. It's still running?

>>First episode with some character development for robotfu

did we at least get any backstory first? fuck.

Let me guess, it was a generic mysterybox-fest that will have zero rewatchability afterwards, powered by soap opera melodrama, and lifting a dozen things from a dozen different modern shows almost feeling like it could have been a mediocre episode of any one of them, but never feeling like Trek specifically.

If, we had a 15 seconds flashback.

does she get naked?

Best part of this season so far is the dead doctor coming back and telling his gay lover "NO WAY FAG"

>she was human and eloped
>shortly after a shuttle crash killed her husband and crippled her
>her cybernetic augments keep her alive but required to manually review and delete or store her memories once a week, she has limited capacity
>she always keeps her memories of Tilly and Detmer because they’re besties

I dunno man, they had fucking Talosians last week. That was pretty Trek

>tfw the show has a cuple of good characters or people who have some promise to them but the black hole known as Michael Burnham will never allow the show to even try to become half-way decent
what did Alex Kurtzman mean by this? I get that he has a fetish for black meat, but so does Seth and he is balanced with his characters.

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He balances his characters, but he steals them all from Star Trek

Now if only the STD writers started stealing from Star Trek instead of indi game developers.

What are you talking about niglet

>Let me guess, it was a generic mysterybox-fest that will have zero rewatchability afterwards, powered by soap opera melodrama, and lifting a dozen things from a dozen different modern shows almost feeling like it could have been a mediocre episode of any one of them, but never feeling like Trek specifically.

Good guess, you fucking idiot.

If you followed that rule you would never watch any Star Trek show.

The next Star Trek show with a good first season will be the first.

Here comes out the first season argument.

Anyone have the STD fag bingo card?

Yeah na.

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I'm sure you do, you meme fuck.

Go ahead and defend the first seasons of the other shows. I want to see you try it.

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Look STD is shit and you know it.

There are no good discovery episodes. Cool things might happen in the episode but they don't have a traditional arc like other Star trek shows did. There's nothing STD can make that could even stand up to shit like Tapestry or Inner Light. They just don't have the same structure. You need to watch the entire season of STD to get the story they want to tell. I don't really enjoy that but most shows seem to be doing it now. Star trek will never be the same

why do you fags always exclude the original series?

Nope. It's good now.

Yeah pretty much

>There are no good chapters in this book. Cool things might happen in this chapter, but they don't have a traditional arc like short stories did. They just don't have the same structure. You need to read the entire book to get the story they want to tell. I don't really enjoy that.

I feel you, bro. It's not as if episodic Star Trek got played out over 700 episodes.

Alex go to bed.

It's been consistently good this season, with some caveats. Ep1 was basically another JJ film. Ep3 was possibly the worst episode of the show. That aside, it's enjoyable.

Except for the fucking cavernous turbolift shafts. fuck.

Weird that this successful show doesn't follow the exact same formula that literally killed the franchise for nearly a decade previously

But the format of the entire season has been standalone stories that each add a bit more to the overall season framing device story

Did Spock do any cool shit? Is he like a Jedi?

Yes but you're forgetting that STD isn't legally canon with Star Trek and is required to be 25% different legally so nobody should watch it

The only cool shit Spock has done so far is insult Burnham and wreck her self-esteem, because he hates her.

That's enough for me. Good Spocko.

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as long as we're still calling it std im okay to give this show a shot. so shills please stop trying to rename it and stop picking on the much superior orville and i'll give your show a chance.

Thing is, as cutting as all that shit he said to her was, if you listen to what he's saying he's actually trying to help her on some level. He was basically angrily telling her to stop self sabotaging constantly.

The dude has a cool voice. Sounds authoritative as fuck while remaining stoic.

does not sound like spock though

Stop. It will never be good. It will never even be decent. Heck, it will never even be tolerable for a moment. It is literally unwatchable without anything sort of a Ludovico device, and anyone who had seen the first season should never ever have considered giving a chance for the second one of this miserable shitfest.

Disagree. I can imagine everything he's said and done so far coming out of Nimoy. Very different from movie 2.0 Spock.

No it's not star trek and I wont watch it.

Get the fuck out of here you fucking shill.

>says an opinion which disagrees with yours
>shill

Ok

Go hang yourself, retard.

the show's objectively shite, and no amount of shilling here is going to save it, now fuck off and suck kurtsmans dick.

It's good, actually.

No

This.

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What's the logic of using shield seeking mines to prevent cloaked vessels from creeping in?

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>On an unrelated note, I’m still disappointed that the female engineering officer hasn’t made it to the permanent cast. She’s the best.
Based. They should replace Stamets with her, she's actually pretty funny.

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She looks like a dyke.

Which is why she'd make a fine replacement for Stamets. They'd still get to have a gay character around.

>guys after 2 seasons of shit it’s finally less shitty, I swear!
Lol, pathetic

>guys after 2 seasons of shit it's finally less shitty, I swear!

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>that gay lady looks gay

Incredible observation skills Sherlock

There are episodes that you cannot miss in seasons 1 and 2. Can’t say the same for STD
TNG isn’t the best trek anyway.

>based
>a fucking dyke

kek

why do are all the character either butch looking dykes. or faggots and the men straight men, even the captain $oyboys

It's always been good. It's just that it took a while to adjust to the format

Winrar

DS9 has an even worse first season than TNG, literally one truly good episode in it, show doesn't actually get good until the season 2 finale

What's wrong with her?

Most of the things that bothered me about the first season were superficial, like the mush mouth slow talking Klingons

That's fucking savage

like the superficial Mary Burnallmen.

She's black and intensely triggering to easily shook fragile men

The antagonist is the borg isn't it?

What isn't wrong with her, she's simultaneously the most amazing person ever, central to all storylines, and also an incompetent boob.

>implying that gay bingo thing invalidates the idea that STD is unfairly held to different standards than previous, equally shitty Trek series'

dumb pakled

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so can anyone tell me what was the deal?

the data in the sphere was stolen by a future ai? wtf? is that what happened?

Notice how that complete oaf thought that stupid image was some kind of slam against posts that had nothing in common with any of it's 50 listed things anyway

I’m not a DS9 actionbabby. Not sure why you assumed this. And the fact that you thought DS9 got better after season 1 makes me think that you’re retarded. Season 1 was amazing and it’s a shame they dropped the bajoran civil unrest arc so quickly.

If you want to find a series that has a good season 1, it’s simple.TOS and ENT

people here can sense and just dont like corporate opinions being shilled as if they were real people. you know how insulting it is? feels like you are sitting there laughing at what idiots we are because you dooped us into thinking you were a real person from here every comment.

and the worse is like your post where you start attacking the real people here. thats even worse and reminds of us of the political shills we've had to fend off since they found out Yea Forums has influence.

well considering it's not star trek, I don't see the problem.

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Based

>it was shit
>it's good now becasue...
Really trying hard here.

Imagine how good this show could be if it wasn't for Michael. What a waste.

Skynet scenario. Section 31 made an AI for defense and war, it grew too smart for it's limited purpose, eventually went sentient, killed all life.

A Discovery shuttle entered a time distortion a few episodes ago, some of the sentient AI from a point in the distant future piggybacked it's way back onto the Discovery through it and took over Airiam, used her to obtain hundreds of thousands of years worth of knowledge about AI's from the sphere data that would allow it to vastly accelerate it's own development in the current day

I also have no clue what happened this episode in terms of that. Can somebody explain?

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>it's okay now because the others decades ago sucked as well

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You're an absolute fucking retard, I can't even assume you're bad faith trolling, it's no less broken brained than being an unironic paranoid idiot who believes the shit you're dribbling. Just absolutely embarrassing either way.

So side character of some interest finally gets their own B-Plot and they die

At least this show is keeping a great tv trope alive.

Is the identity of the red angel in this episode or we still need to wait?
Is the only reason why i would watch the new episode, i dont give a fuck about the robot bitch.

>it's okay that it sucks because others sucked in the past too
If that really is the hill you want to die on...

lmao, this guy is crying because he actually thinks a CBS intern just called him a Pakled

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She's a mixture between Spock, Riker, and "last woman standing" Janeway.

oh so wait.

>the ai exists in the present day and is dumb but eventually takes over.
>when it takes over it comes back to this time period through the wormhole and infects a crewmember of discovery.
>it steals the sphere's data to give to its younger in development self so it will be smarter or develop faster?

the motive seems shakey since its already in the past at this stage and much more advanced already than its past self. weird. what happened to this sphere data in the timeline where the ai didnt arrive yet?

I can smell alex kurtzman dick of your breath from here.

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>the only point he has is that other ST shows started bad
I hope even you realize at some point that this isn't a point for STD but a big one against it.

The next episode is called "The Red Angel"

are your unironically saying there are no shills?

i wasnt even the guy he called that or that he was responding too.

Spoiler here for you user, it's the nigger second in command.

So many words yet with nothing to say in them. Stay mad inbred shill.

If you can’t understand why a fan of Star Trek wouldn’t get angry at that, you’re a CBS shill and know nothing of the trek community.

I'm unambiguously laughing at you for actually, really thinking anybody is paying people to pretend to like a Star Trek show.

You buffoon. You absolute clown.

Not him, but I don't think bringing up TNG is supposed to be a defense of the show, as much as it is a critique of audience's reactions to it. Imagine if TNG had been cancelled after its second season, as some people are clamouring for in the case of STD. Though, I think STD's just been renewed for a third season.

so yes. checked. this guy actually believes there aren't shills on Yea Forums

in a manner of speakings its been renewed buy micheal dies at the end of this season to fix spock and the next season is mini episodes.

sad cause i was just getting to like std a bit

>t.cbs shill.

>I don't think bringing up TNG is supposed to be a defense of the show
>brings up TNG to defend the show
Christ, you just don’t give up?

Imagine never hearing of promoters and online marketing strategy. what are you living in 2007?

>and the next season is mini episodes.
source?

lol.

I wasn't commenting the show's quality either way.

It's a moot point tough. When TNG came out you had nothing to compare it too. It was what it was and only later after the good season people relaize what absolute shit the first two mostly were. The same can be said more or less for DS9. Voy still gets shit on for being a weak ST show alltroughout with only a couple good episodes trough it's lifetime.
We know how good ST can get thanks to the laster seasons. A new ST series should try to be as good as them and not shit while using early seasons as defense. That only shows that even if the show would try to be quality ST it would still fail according to it's fans.

>When TNG came out you had nothing to compare it too.
what about the Original Series?

Classic Walking Dead style writing. I knew she was a goner when the episode opened with literally her first ever scenes as an actual character and not a background robot thing.

Still, why does it feel so much like they're course correcting on all the bullshit? Airiam never made sense - was she a full robot, was she a human who was super-augmented without any attempt to hide her prosthetics, even though we never saw that in Trek before or since? What did her being a robot mean for Data's place in the canon?

So they write her out. Much like Spock berating Michael for having to be the person that saves everyone all the time because she's the most important character in the universe. They actually made her Mary Sueing around a character flaw here.

You’re defending the show. I don’t give a fuck about it’s “quality”. You’re defending the fucking show by using TNG’s terrible first 2 season.
Go fuck yourself you dumb nigger.

it's crazy that the Orville can do trek, but fucking STD can't and they won't, because fucking MARY SUE.

>When TNG came out you had nothing to compare it too.
CBS shills everyone

>What did her being a robot mean for Data's place in the canon?

Good question. Data is no longer Canon.

Just imagine, if they weren't spending $50 to have a CBS janitor call white noise shit posters Malons, the show wouldn't be one of Netflix's most watched shows. The unmatched influence of Yea Forums's racist infested tv and movie board.

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huh? I guess you could say I'm defending the show, in a manner of speaking. I don't think it's being treated fairly by Trek fans, especially in light of the tendency for Trek shows to have growing pains in the first few seasons.

Michael is the Red Angel, they fucked up the first time and AI destroyed everything except a few people, so her and Spock invented the suit to go back in time, Michael was chosen to wear it because of her connection to Spock will allow her to find him in fluid time, Michael will use the suit to go back and warn spock because past spock is the only one that can understand and stop it

screencap this post

Shoo shoo Midnight's Edge shill.

>I can't bring anything against it
>better call him shill even tough he says the exact opposite of what a shill would say
You're really not the sharpest tool in the shed.

He's criticizing STD though, ya dingus

Micheal will die because she will alter time so she died on that night spock saved her from getting eaten as a kid. i am 100% sure. screencap this. this is how they resolve all of canon because without her the klingon war never happens at all.

You type like a fucking normie. Go fuck yourself if you think trek fans don’t deserve better than this shitshow STD.

It's shit. This whole season puts me to sleep. At least last season it was interesting with the whole Mirror Universe and Klingon War things. In Season 2? I usually use the episodes as background noise while I do something else.

Wrong, he sounds exactly like Spock - the REAL Spock, that is, not the anodyne emotionless Spock people imagine the character to be. He's TOS Spock through and through.

They're really fucked after this season if they have to send Pike & Spock on their way with the Enterprise. It's like they realised they could have just done a Pike's Enterprise series from the start.

it's not being treated faily by trek fans, because the show runners aren't treating Star Trek fairly, i fucking hate this thing, it's not trek, and you know what I fucking love the Orville, because it's more trek then that abomination STD

We've known she was a cyborg'd human for ages. She has absolutely nothing in common with Data.

Also

>if Trek never did it before, it's wrong!

It's a show made in 2019. Being chained to 1960's aesthetics is idiotic and Discovery finally just deciding to ride with it being a modernized vision of what things always were instead of making entire stories to be cringe retroactive explanations is just one thing in it's favor

>The shill is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a shill and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>One cannot defend himself against the shill. He attacks with lightning speed from his position of safety and uses his abilities to crush any attempt at defense.

>Quickly he turns the attacker’s charges back on him and the attacker becomes the liar, the troublemaker, the terrorist. Nothing could be more mistaken than to defend oneself. That is just what the shill wants. He can invent a new lie every day for the enemy to respond to, and the result is that the enemy spends so much time defending himself that he has no time to do what the shill really fears: to attack. The accused has become the accuser, and loudly he shoves the accuser into the dock. So it always was in the past when a person or a movement fought the shill.

no he sounds nothing like nemoy. he has none of the voice tone changes or diction that spock has. none of the wise sounding speaking manner that made spock famous and was present even in the pilot to some degree

>At least last season it was interesting with the whole Mirror Universe and Klingon War things.
You can’t be fucking serious

And you sound agitated friend. I haven't commented on STD's actual quality; for the record, I don't think it's very good. But I think, given time, it could become something pretty great, just as TNG and DS9 did (even Enterprise, arguably.)

No big secret any longer and all that " Project Deadalus " while the red Angel has a winged suit gets more and more retarded.
The AI is for sure STDs Version of the M-5 Computer.

i do agree about pikes enterprise series. with those cool new uniforms they should have just done that show. hell they still should. Pike is great like that.

Don't get me wrong, it was still pretty bad even with that in mind, but it still kept some interest in me to see how it ends or if we'd get some Chad-tier Mirror universe designs. In this season, I have 0 interest period.

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>it's crazy that the Orville can do trek,

Funny how any positive comments about Discovery are 'shills' but you literally cannot read a Star Trek thread without this fucking garbage being mentioned constantly

>I don't think bringing up TNG is supposed to be a defense of the show
Did you forget what you typed, pal?

They were more interesting in the sense one was curious as to how they would pan out.

Everyone already knows that burnham is the red angel. So everyone is just waiting for the shocking reveal that burnham is going to solve literally all problems.

very wise words. Picard was full of this kind of knowledge.

The mirror universe should have never been expanded beyond the TOS episode.

If STD were even in the same spirit as star trek, people wouldn't be comparing it to the kickstarter spiritual sequel of star trek.

Except he is, because Airiam was an augmented human, not an android. But when the show started there was no way to know that and because they didn't do anything with their supporting cast all the way through Season 1 you just had to accept that there was this canon-breaking character on the bridge in every scene, kind of like that stupid GAT-2000 guy in the JJ films.

So instead of keeping her in the main cast, they just kill her off because the idea was dumb from day one. Just like the "my people sense the coming of death" stuff. Dropped. Must have been those original show-runners, them going has made a huge difference so quickly.

cause orville is loved mate lol. wake your ass up.

We actually haven't, that's just what people say about the character outside of the show. The show itself has given her no background at all.

Asking the real questions here

I literally just said I don't think STD is very good.

cringe

sensing the coming of death was cool. he was one of the good ones.

The Discovery mirror episodes are actually solid though, because they have a point. Unlike the awful DS9/Enterprise ones that exist for no reason than to have the actors play wacky XD versions of themselves or cosplay for an episode

lmao, by whom?

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>cause orville is loved mate lol.

Funniest post in the thread. How many hilarious dick jokes or fag aliens were there this week?

He sounds as much like Nimoy as someone could without it being a straight impression, which it can't be when you're actually trying to utilise him as a character. Also, this is young Spock, post-Cage but pre-TOS. He's going to be moderately different.

fuck i love trek general

>We've known she was a cyborg'd human for ages.
Yes, it was all made clear in the episode focused on her. Where a situation arose that her unique skillset and augmentations were necessary to understand a problem, and the crew came together as a team to solve said problem. Where we learned her tragic backstory and came to understand who she was as a character, and why serving in starfleet was so important to her.

oh wait lmao

Because it's the truth, and it shows, you can tell seth loves star trek, the fucks at CBS don't give a shit, the fucks at Disney don't give a fuck about star wars, or marvels latest shit, we just want good shows, why the incessant politicization, why can't they just do a good fucking show without ramming that shit down peoples throat.

And of course Mary Sue Burnham was victorious in a Hand to Hand Combat with a Cyborg.....
This fucking show

>If STD were even in the same spirit as star trek,

This is a good tell that shows people you don't actually watch it, just FYI

It is absolutely the spirit of Trek.

Enterprise ones were good, and were going to lead up to something. DS9 was max cringe though. Whole appeal of a mirror universe is having the Federation be an evil human Empire. You take that away and you may as well just make it a regular alt universe of what if Klingons took over the galaxy instead.

It really wasn't, because every time he "sensed the coming of death" no one fucking died. It was so obviously stupid from the first trailers and I'm glad they retconned it to be "he's just from a race of retarded religious zealots being harvested by a predator species".

loved by everyone here who is a trek fan. you trannies or cbs shills arent helping your case when you act like this. this isnt reddit. there isnt an upvote meter you can use to "win" arguements by being on the uncensored corporate clean side. here you're going to have to win people over with reason. something you would be adept at if you actually grew up with trek like we all did.

The third episode of the Orville was about gender reassignment surgery dummy

I must have missed all those years when star trek was focused on that single character who solved literally every problem.

they literally showed nimoys version on screen last weeks episode. lol. it just highlighted how insufficient this spock is.

but i dont hate him, giving him a chance i just find it hard to be consistently positive when the shills are here attacking fans.

>DS9 S1 was bad
Retard.

Overrated series. Regretted wasting my time watching the whole thing. Out of 178 episodes there were only around 25 truly great ones. The rest were boring or pointless.

I don't care if x is in the spirit of x. That's literally metaphysical bullshit. JJ trying to make 7 be 'in the spirit of the OT' is why we have that shitty sequel trilogy. How about take the universe (Trek or Wars) and just make a good show/movie

i thought he meant like sensing danger i guess in concept sensing death itself when it didnt happen is stupid but the whole show was shakey like that.

by people who like star trek, not that you give a shit about that.

>hates trannies
>loves the Orville

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Imagine being so culture war brain souped that you tongue fucking Seth Macfarlane's balls because you think it's your 'side' winning

The Discovery Mirror episodes only reveal how dumb the entire Mirror concept is on it's face. ALL the characters from the show are a) alive despite literally hundreds of years of alternate history - even one different ancestor and the person that exists in our universe wouldn't exist at all and b) they all somehow found each other in the Mirror Universe too.

Mirror Universe as a concept only worked in TOS as a one shot. DS9's episodes were shit. ENT sucked anyway but I suspect their episodes were OK as campy fun. A whole half-season of it was such a bad idea. Also, because the writing was happening right when Trump was elected, they went full Trump Derangement Syndrome and killed the white male who said "make the Empire great again" for wanting to kill the Empress who was a mass murderer, but Michael saved her because "she looks like muh Captain that I got killed". Now we have to have this dumb, hammy character in what is becoming a decent Trek show. I guess she's the Sela of the series.

yeah and it was against it. dummy. which is why the episode was panned by (((critics)))

It sucks shit other than Duet.

The pilot is probably the biggest damp fart out of ANY of Treks opening episodes.

>decent Trek show
nope, it got worse. way worse

I like Star Trek. Aside from the comfy sets, lighting and special effects, the Orville is shit. The show's 'humour' was insufferable. I gave up after the first season, and I've heard the second is worse.

They showed a clip of Spock smiling openly with Pike. Somehow that makes Peck's version of Spock, who is actually acting like Spock acted in the rest of the show, less Spock-like than Nimoy's first ever version of the character when he shouted like a retard at everything.

OK friend.

I'm just open minded but trannies are here attacking us under the guise of "we're attacking nazis!!" and other retarded shit.

making as bad a rep for yourself online as antifa have. also the orville was anti tranny

So it's alright for the show to be political if you agree with it?

>Anonymous 03/15/19(Fri)11:49:02 No.111455426▶
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha
first they get the story of some no name game dev with invalid parents:
and now its LITERALY SKYNET!

can you stop? you're not winning hearts and minds here. it doesnt work like that. you're just gonna make less people like your show.

>he thinks STD Season 1 is better than the kino Season 2
You'd actually have to be mentally subnormal to think this.

Cast dynamic has nothing to do with 'spirit' ya moron

Also literally nothing but a vapid "not muh..." complaint

Yeah, and they handled it well, they didn't get political, it played like a TNG episode.

Season 2 literally has me falling asleep.

you seem to miss the point entirely. I wonder if intentionally.

>c-can you not point out how wrong I am?
Mate, you're the one that said 5 seconds of Cage Spock showed how bad Peck's Spock is when those 5 seconds were all Nimoy's proto-Spock before most of what makes Spock a character was set up. Spock wasn't even logical and in control of his emotions in The Cage, all of Number One's qualities were given to Spock and that's the character as we know him. So you're literally wrong.

The hell are you talking about? If Captain Pike is a basedboy, so is fucking Kirk.

Explain?

>no 'splosions moooommm!! I want 'splosions!!!
Sleep sweet child.

What does something have to be to qualify as 'political' to you? There are a number of Orville episodes that denounce dogmatic religions; that is political.

actually I finally made the decision to stop watching it OP
its gone full garbage and has no content beyond SPOCK SPOCK SPOCK NEGRO

they didnt even bother to explore the fact that Saru no longer experiences any fear, after some initial behavior changes

Take your shilling back to plebbit.

No, story's just generally boring. Mike Burnham is a boring character. Pike is a very poor replacement for Lorca, who by far saved S1.

I know you haven't watched the show, because the humor isn't a big part of it and the second season especially the last three are really great.

its because new spock looks nothing like that spock, doesnt have the mannerisms or voice of that spock and is shit in comparison to that spock.

I feel the same about kelvin spock too, equally lacking what made spock popular. The reason I asked you to stop rather than engaging you is because i didn't deem it nessecary. You'd self defeated with a shitty argument that relied on aggression for shill purposes. Ive been trying to help you shills out by telling you if you want people to watch don't attack them but hotheads like you dont get it.

Also, you sound a lot like you are straight from reddit with your "so you are literally wrong".

sadly this. this episode had a lot of drama burnham face. crap episode

>Cast dynamic has nothing to do with 'spirit'
Right, because star trek was never about people setting aside their differences and working together for the betterment of humanity.

It was always about that one character acting like their differences were all that mattered solving literally every problem.

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I watched the whole first season. The humour was annoying, I think I laughed once the whole time. I didn't really like any of the characters, least of all the main two (Seth and his ex wife.) The klingon ripoff guy was alright I suppose. Also, a lot of the episodes were blatant TNG ripoffs. I'd prefer just to watch TNG re-runs than Seth's Star Trek cosplay.

I'll take you a lot more seriously when you start using capital letters instead of typing all in lower case like some kind of paraplegic.

It's been said 1000 times. I'm not here to spoonfeed you after this. I'll give you the basics.

One sided progressive politics rammed into shows are what people are sick of. These are the opposite of the egalitarian thoughtful and cerebral values of TNG. The orville reminds us of TNG because it's about reason and being sensible when it comes to "issues". That's why we like it, because it's just like TNG was instead of ramming what everyone hates down our throats non subtly like every other show.

If you don't get this after this post you never will.

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Just stop engaging with them or acknowledging them.

Instead, read this
research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/angrif03.htm
replace all mentions of "jew" with "shill" and "german" with Yea Forums/anonymous.

welcome to Yea Forums shithead this isn't an essay or atheism sub-reddit and you wont win arguments by pointing out spelling errors.

It would have been great to show him becoming a very agressive Predator species instead like the Baul feared. Some of his behavior hinted that way. But of course they dropped all for that for more of the Burnham show....Who now also beats enhanced Cyborgs easily in a hand to hand combat...

shit man, are we already back to attacking grammar as a means to ignore/devalue arguments?

I don't really see what's overly progressive about STD though?

>working together for the betterment of humanity.

Racist.

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he's funny cause he was replying to a guy who pointed out he sounded like a redditor.. and he responded with the most reddit thing ever

So you haven't noticed how the only characters who are allowed any screen time are some brand of identity politics? The smart black woman, the transracial, the fags, the fat ugly woman, etc? With old white man merely playing foil to the accomplishments of literally every other "diverse" member of the crew?

hurr its funny to not type properly and reddit to do so
also cage spock is the most spock like version of spock ever and if an actor doesnt look, sound and act exactly the same as cage spock played by leonard nimoy then its a bad spock they should have just done like they did in rogue one and had a cgi nimoy spock and a guy doing an impression that would have been better

my exchange with you begun with your post here and nothing i said mentioned std at all. My arguement was about the orville and your bringing up std now doesnt debunk my perfect answer on why people love the orville's style of "politics" and call it a lack of politics.

Keep your head on schizophrenic. focus.

>because star trek was never about people setting aside their differences and working together for the betterment of humanity.

Literally Discovery. The first season was about how Federation ideals are valuable and not to be tossed away even in the face of total loss, and in the second season it's even more explicit when the evil mirror universe dictator who ran this science ship like a bizarro warship is gone and replaced with a captain who doesn't believe in individual power and instead trusting and delegating to people who are experts in their fields

>It was always about that one character acting like their differences were all that mattered solving literally every problem.

Also, literally, never a thing, and not only that but an actual plot in the show that the character has a near pathological aversion to loss that makes them attempt to take on more than they should

I counter with that TNG episode where just about every race in the galaxy was one single race.

>NON WHITE PEOPLE EXISTING ARE IDENTITY POLITICS

Just go mass shooter already, get it out of your system.

>hurr
you really are out of reddit. all thats missing is the writing cRaZy LiKe ThIs to mock rational thought.

Trek shows have always had quite diverse casts though. That brand of identity politics has been around since TOS, when, at the height of the Cold War and the Civil Rights movement, there was a black woman, a Russian, a Jap, a white guy and a half breed alien all serving on the bridge together. Also, Pike is white, and he gets quite a bit of screen time.

>The smart black woman
They're all smart user, they're astronauts

Man, it must suck to have to marry yourself to completely faulty arguments that literally everyone can see are 100% faulty.

I mean shit dude, you're talking about a series where a war is ended by "do what I say or I'll blow up the planet."

dont be retarded. just ignore a post if you think its nuts. try to get your mind out of the gutter and instead discuss trek on the same level we do.

Imagine how pissed this polshitter is going to be when he goes back and looks at the casts of the other shows

I see you have no argument.

It must suck to have to try to think of ways to argue against fact.

oh okay. I agree with you then about the Orville, from what I saw, it didn't try to ram politics down your throat.

I like how desperate you are to misrepresent the argument rather than address it directly.

Ya know, because it can't be addressed directly.

Why the fuck are you lying? its getting more YA by the second
>its all about you

I am not that guy, i am not defending his post and i don't want to get into it but you are completely disregarding the current anti white male climate

yes except there is no real mystery.

>He thinks shitinator invented the fedora take on judgement day.
lel

she didn't fly so good

Micheal fucks up all the time. Her heart is usually in the right place, but she is far from the hyper-capable Mary Sue people try to paint her as.

Mind you, that doesn’t mean STD is great. I kind of hate it.

The Orville does shove Seth's politics down your throat though. In one episode, he calls zoos barbaric.It feels like every second episode is condescending towards people who are religious.

Orville does ram shit down your throat but they are more centrist so it goes down easier

Star trek:
>I am black/russian/scottish/alien/AI, I am something people used to fear. I am working together with others whom are equally vastly different from myself for the betterment of all of us

STD:
>MAN HOLY FUCK LOOK HOW GAY/FEMALE/UGLY/SMART/TRANS I AM GODDAMN MAN SHIT I AM LITERALLY THE BEST oh hi straight white male FUCK I LOVE SCIENCE

Pike and Stamets are both portrayed as being competent and generally decent characters / members of the crew. Both are white males.

>Micheal fucks up all the time
Does she really, though? In most every one of "her" fuckups, someone else is actually to blame.

check out this post if you understand it, it should answer your question.

Is there a list anywhere of the best episodes? I kind of regret wasting a lot of time on doctor who for the same reason, maybe 1/3 of the episodes felt like they were worth my time.

They rarely mention race, gender or sexuality in STD though.

Based pic

>you're talking about a series where a war is ended by "do what I say or I'll blow up the planet."

A Klingon makes that threat, making use of a plan enacted by a Mirror Universe supervillain. Right after the Federations last hopes completely reject the idea that that plan is on any level an acceptable moral compromise, even when the entire Federation is at stake.

stamets
>DUDE DID I MENTION HOW GAY I AM THIS EPISODE?? GODDAMN I AM JUST SO GODDAMN GAY!

pike
>yes diversity person, do the thing I cannot do, i am sitting here. doing nothing. yes.

hello did you even read my post because you're certainly not replying to what i wrote in it.

Not really. Seth rams his politics down his viewer's throats just as hard as progressives do in their shows. He clearly has a low opinion of religion for instance. Just because his politics are more palatable for you personally doesn't make him any more 'egalitarian' or 'reasonable.'

putting that aside, there is usually some side character sucking her dick about how its not really her fault and she should not put it all on herself. not being a sue is also would not automatically make the show good.

>Does she really, though?

Yes? This isn't even arguable. She makes mistakes and over commits to her efforts all the fucking time.

okay, how am I disregarding the current anti whit male sentiment?

I’d just like to say to anyone who is interested in seeing the Star Trek philosophy be criticized like STD does, watch Undiscovered Country and DS9. They question the Federation and set morals of the universe while respecting the original, unlike STD.
They’re kinda like what KOTOR II is for Star Wars, as STD is to Star Trek what TLJ is for Star Wars

race/gender/sexuality/ugliness are central issues in every episode. Why would you try to deny fact?

Stamets literally doesn't comment on his sexuality at all, nor do any of the other characters.

Pike is the rally point for the entire crew and brought them together in a way Lorca never did. Cornwell described him as the best of the Federation this week whilst the rest of the crew looked at him with deep admiration and respect.

I disagree. Orvilles politics are a match with TNG. That's what counts. modern progressive politics are essentially the dogmatic religions picard also opposed

what? Star Trek's always been about inclusion of diverse casts you madman. STD is no different.

>years of people bitching about how captain should not be the one going on the missions
>get a cap that stays in the chair, still bitch
>you are the best of starfleet, now get off my ass so I can do my job.

>This isn't even arguable.
Mostly because you have no actual argument. Anyone who watches the show can safely say that michael never actually makes a mistakes. Whenever her plans fail, it is always someone else's fault.

In which episode was ugliness a central issue?

Glad you understand

well do you believe it exists? let me specify I'm not talking about just in the show. all over the place, in pop culture, all media etc.

If you don't believe it exists you are disregarding it.

If you believe it exists you also must be disregarding it to not take it into account when you wrote your comment.

>Stamets literally doesn't comment on his sexuality at all

why would you just lie like this? His entire plotline this season was mourning the loss of his gay lover then getting his gay lover back then his gay lover leaving him because his gay lover is now transdimensional and can't stay with his ex cisdimensional partner anymore.

Except for the first episode of the show, where she commits mutiny against her commanding officer.

People watch this show? I know a few people irl who like Trek and none of them watch STD. When I was at STLV they were pushing it hard and nobody really seemed to give a shit. I watched two episodes and didn't care for it. What's the appeal?

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tilly is in every episode

stamets is a bit gross. desu ive never liked him.

So forcing politics down viewer's throats is okay, as long as it's not progressive politics?

>cisdimensional
Kek

because they wouldn't listen to her objectively correct plan

I don't see how it's relevant. Am I obliged to mention it in every post I make? Why is it especially relevant to STD?

yikes. this was answered here and im pretty sure i linked you specifically to this post before. If you are having trouble understanding take a break and come back later. no point leading people around in circles.

>What's the appeal?
its a pretty good hatewatch.

based bashirfaggot. and whats their opinion orville.

It wasn't objectively correct, and it went directly against Starfleet values.

I think he means that the gay guy continuous to be gay but they don't really talk about gayness, he just has a love related subplot. now maybe if he was on about how hard it is for him to be gay or how his dad kicked him out or some other stereotypical bullshit than you would have a point.

not mention it. am i arguing with low IQ idiots or something? He mentioned something and your argument against him seemed to rely on a reality where there wasn't a huge anti white male bias in all of media and culture right now.

I know, but I think the Orville rams politics down the audience's throats in a very heavy handed fashion. I don't agree with this post's characterization of the Orville's handling of it's politics. It seems like people tolerate it just because it's not 'muh SJW boogie man', and it's instead a brand of politics they find palatable that's being shoved down their throats.

like with star wars we wait for the dark side stuff. incest fags are also hanging on for that kiss, which may turn out to be holograms

Yes, it was the correct course to avoid a war. It would've made the klingons see the federation as equals and from that position a dialogue could be reached. As sometimes diplomacy requires the diplomat to shoot first, if only to establish terms.

>STD

Newflash, a thing existing is not 'commenting' on it.

Stamets and Culber have quite literally never once commented on their sexuality. They have simply existed, uncommented on from day one, in a completely normal fashion. Absolutely nobody cares that they are two dudes together or sees them as anything out of the ordinary. If one of them was a woman, you would not even blink twice at anything about their story.

They are what disingenuous dipshits like yourself always pretend to claim is the 'right' way to address things, to just have things exist without being politicized or their issues shoved down your throat.

>It wasn't objectively correct,
it was
>and it went directly against Starfleet values.
and?

>literally every character moment is about how gay he is
>but you don't have a point because he doesn't do specific gay things

Stop being a mincing faggot.

And I thought I addressed this by giving examples of two white males who are treated as good guys and heroes on the show. I don't really see much evidence of an anti white male bias in STD I'm afraid.

>a thing existing is not 'commenting' on it.
Want to know how I know you have never once watched literally any star trek?

It was logically correct, it's why the Vulcans engaged in the practice.

It is also completely out of line with the Federations ideals, which is why the Vulcans very much did not tell ANYBODY that they blew Klingons the fuck up on sight.

So this ends with the ai being the start of the Borg, right?

Just because it worked for the Vulcans, doesn't mean it would've worked for the Federation. You also seem to be missing the point that the Klingons were deliberately trying to start a war with the Federation in that episode.

Nope. This isn't cringe shit like Enterprise.

Well yeah. And they took longer to get good too.

>I don't really see much evidence of an anti white male bias in STD
Obviously because you aren't actually watching it.

That must be a cool gig for a shill. Sometimes they make the shills watch the shit they're shilling.

>literally every character moment is about how gay he is
no, most of his character moments are about his spousal issues.

>it was
There's no evidence that it would've worked for the Federation. The fact that T'Kuvma was literally trying to provoke the Federation into starting a war means that Michael would've been playing into his hands even more.

Jesus Christ.

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I'm happy to listen to specific examples of what you interpreted as anti white male bias.

well, the real reason it never came up before STD is because it was entirely invented by STD.

But it doesn't really matter how you quibble. If a hostile entity is racing towards you, whether you seek peaceful resolutions or not, you have no choice but to fight back or die.

>muh SJW boogie man
it seems you believe concerns about sjw influence and control in media are unfounded. They are not. It's not a boogeyman anyone mocks, it's the cause of all the issues people are discussing here. That is your problem and the break in your logic. you're starting from a false premise and so you get false conclusions that don't match what everyone else is getting, thus arguments ensue

its worse
no, it ends up with AI getting retgoned or maybe its actually a good AI trying to stop evil AI. anyways Michael is the red angel

You quibble because it is all you can do.

Can Yea Forums stop pretending that the biggest hurdle to getting into this show isn't the black sue? No matter how good the show gets, there's no getting over that.

It's the same for me but at least I admit it.

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Not what he was saying. The point of the social commentary of trek is to basically imagine what things COULD be. Moving beyond our social conflicts (this is done in a near post scarcity society, btw) in the very distant future. Sure, at times it get a little preachy, as does the Orville at times, but it’s cushioned by the fact that the shows acknowledge that it’s going to take hundreds of years to accomplish such feats. STD is overtly preachy and has that nasty “you’re a piece of shit if you don’t agree” tone when dealing with social commentary. Not to mention, specific themes are shoehorned just to rub it in our faces (homosexuality for one). The Orville treats homosexuality as accepted, but it is still considered alien since it is represented through bortus.

well then the real solution would be to send a section 31 hit squad to kill T'Kuvma. Did it exist before the war?

context outside of the show sets the tone for political meaning within the show. if the whole industry is anti white male then having those specific two characters in those positions doesnt combat the bias/problem with the show that he is pointing out at all.

It was a tiny faction with a single ship. Popping that ship would've brought the rest of the klingons to the table.

People not listening to michael is exactly why the war escalated. Then starting it became entirely her fault because georgio wouldn't let her capture muh'kuvma alone.

I was just wondering why Seth's heavy handed political stances are alright to include, but SJW positions are not alright to include in media? Is it just because you agree with one more than the other?

Nope. It will be the M-5 Computer from TOS

shove your trolling up your ass and stop wasting my time.
actually if it was only one thing then you could probably skip it. I watch the magicians by skipping to subplots I care about.

>STD is overtly preachy and has that nasty “you’re a piece of shit if you don’t agree” tone when dealing with social commentary.
examples?
>specific themes are shoehorned just to rub it in our faces (homosexuality for one).
Two characters happen to be gay. I don't see how that's any different from the Orville's depiction of gays.

I've been pretty positive on the show the entire thread but you are correct, and if she ends up being the Red Angel it seriously undermines the way that this season so far has started to undercut Michael's central role in solving everything in Season 1.

>You also seem to be missing the point that the Klingons were deliberately trying to start a war

This is why it was even more important to shoot first. Overtures of peace were basically like spitting in their face. Federation ideals can no more rigidly be applied to a species like the Klingons than Western values can to Islamic extremists. It's the same as showing weakness.

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>quibble
>get called on quibbling
>U-UR A TROLL!!

I guess I should've said "quibbling is the best you can do."

Not that guy but there was also Mr. Mansplain in episode 1 or 2 that was Pike's 2nd Science Lieutenant on the Enterprise under Spock who got mushed by an asteroid and literally no one mourned him.

No one's offered any actual examples of that anti white male bias being in the show though.

T'Kuvma getting his nose bloodied by the first Starfleet ship he found would have completely invalidated him in the eyes of the Klingon houses. Whether he destroyed the Shenzou after it opened up on him or if it provoked the Federation into a bigger fight would have been immaterial - everything he was doing balanced on the fact that he knew how the Federation would act, he was manipulating the Klingon houses and he set up his grandstanding based on that.

If the Feds didn't do what he said they'd do, he's just some fringe house-less loser.

and hell, if you want to go back to space westerns, Comanche vs united states.

not that guy but
>examples?
oh c'mon jesus christ you are retarded. i suppose you ask for sources in every conversation too.

by the way to spoonfeed you, pic related is an example. you're just gonna ask for more though

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He was basically a red shirt, his death was just meant to raise the stakes of the scene. Him being arrogant, and condescending to the protagonist is a trope that far predates the whole concept of 'mansplaining.'

Because STD tries to normalize homosexuality without exploring the social conflict that exists with it. That in itself is preachy and snobbish. There is no social commentary, no debate, just accept it goyim.

its a shill dude, the goal is to overwhelm opposition and drag opposition into endless quibbles, because that is the best they can do. their positions are faulty by default and they know it. Their goal is to just keep you talking/posting.

see I don't care what some SJW journalist has to say about the episode.

thats not how it played out in context

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>to the protagonist
Before STD, star trek did not have a protagonist.

Mate. C'mon. I've been defending STD all thread but you can't pretend that was anything other than "take that mansplainer! FUCKING ARROGANT WHITE MALES DESERVE TO FUCKING DIE". The same episode Pike has to grovel to the crew that he "isn't Lorca" because of course everyone would assume that since Pike is a straight white male. The show is not without it's SJW shit but they've really toned it down since the opening couple of episodes and its entirely absent from the last 3 episodes at least.

Star Trek is a setting where humanity has moved beyond sexism, racism and homophobia. This has been true of Trek since TOS.

Stop giving him attention.

>retard pretends like contentious existence of gay people is gay propaganda.
>acts like someone else is being a fool
by your logic I guess the gays have a point when they say heteronormativity is being shoved down their throat "in every movie, ad or song"

it seems like exactly what you said, every thread these shills do the same thing and get people to explain the same shit to them and pretend they havent been answered again and again. fuck cbs and fuck this show i was giving it a chance but fuck std.

see

How some SJW 'entertainment' journalist interpreted the scene doesn't concern me.

I know, and Burnham being a clear cut main character is one of my main problems with the show.

Yet there is always a debate about these issues in EVERY TREK SERIES. It’s not simply portrayed as a universally accepted moral truth.
STD has not done this.

Seth likes Trek and the show is a sincere fan effort on his part. It would be like if I ever got rich in Hollywood and starred in my own card game anime I produced. Like I can't fault the guy and because of the sincerity he puts into it I at least respect The Orville more than I do STD which is just a flat cash grab regardless of either shows quality.

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>exploring the social conflict that exists with it.
like what? It also does not explore social conflicts of running a space EU, with bunch of 1 trait races. nor does it deal with the fact they keep betraying what they stand for

>Next time on Star Trek: The Next Generation...
>there's a couple of fags on the Enterprise and the crew isn't happy
Picard: "I know that you two think that you love each other, but homosexuality is a sin and I will not stand for it on my ship!"
Fag 1: "But we're good officers! We won't even hold hands in the corridors, we just want to serve the Federation!"
Riker: "SHUT UP HOMO"

Pike told the crew he wasn't Lorca because Lorca was the last Captain they had. Not because they're both white.

The arrogant guy dying because he refused to listen to the good guys is a trope as old as time in fiction. It's been around since before mansplaining was a thing.

Silently normalizing it is bad
Explicitly exploring it is shoving it down peoples throats

My man, it kind of seems like you don't want homosexuality to be there at all!

ahahaha

t-they're using right wing white noise tactics, not me!

Racism being bad is portrayed as a universally accepted moral truth in all Trek shows, as far as I'm aware.

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>The same episode Pike has to grovel to the crew that he "isn't Lorca" because of course everyone would assume that since Pike is a straight white male.

This has to be up there with one of the dumbest things I've heard.

He makes it clear he's not an evil prick because they were previously under the command of a deceitful evil prick who fucked them all over

kek but for real there are eps about money,acceptance of death and other concepts they claim to have moved on from. usually they end with no answer since they have no idea how to get to this "utopia". it true trek the gay allegory would probably be aliens who have a minority that faces all the same issues gays do but instead of gaying they have some common behavior like love of music or paining.

I understand why he as a character felt the need to do it and don't mind it really, I was just looking for other areas in which I think the show wrote different for a straight white male than another character. I just get the sense that if they'd cast a black man as the next captain the entire crew would have been perfectly happy without the need for a pep talk, because the writers would have decided they wouldn't have feared a strong black man due to how much better black people are than whites.

I suspect this was the previous showrunners attitude.

Dipshit science guy also was there to contrast what a good guy Pike was since he was the opposite of the shit he was doing

and the That Ain't Spock factor of course

Yeah, in an episodic Trek show that was more about the characters than the story then you might have seen something like this from the new show, but they've decided to take it in the "there's just a gay couple on the show, nbd" route instead - which is exactly what everyone always said they'd want the show to do if they ever introduced a gay character.

>I just get the sense
>I suspect
or maybe you are just a nutter who has been in the hate chamber too long

>stop thinking about things man, just enjoy the ride
Simp.

They still have a long way to go before it becomes properly watchable. Fixing the tone and atmosphere would be a good start. Despite it's high production quality, the show looks incredibly generic. There's no real discernible theme to anything. The Federation aesthetic is not there.

pic related

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feel based conspiracies are not thinking