I don't think this article understands what most people hated about Last Jedi. Yes, we want surprises. Of course we don't want everything to play out as we expect, but we still want a plot that makes sense. We also want characters to keep acting like how they were characterized.
Article: dorksideoftheforce.com
>we're not here to fulfill people's expectations
Nigga the only reason these movies are still being made is because fans pay to see them
>We also want characters to keep acting like how they were characterized
>implying there's any decent characterization in nu-wars
kathleen got another to tow that line too, the mouse still in full defense mode
Yea, he’s saying that in regards to the old cast in the new films
I think the people involved with the movie just have to pretend to not understand the criticisms, or else only engage in the arguments they can plausibly dismiss. I don't think they're this stupid.
It's really easy to manipulate people, planting a computer full of CP in someone's home is pretty easy.
Stupidity is usually the right answer because it's the easiest one.
What is he supposed to do, admit the movie was trash during an interview?
I'm not here to buy Disney's shit.
Ironically, if you saw the tvseries/movie sequentially, without picking up on the deliberate foreshadowing, you might complain that episode 3 was complete garbage because it took an existing character, Anakin Skywalker, and completely destroyed/subverted him by making him do something that was completely against the character that had been established for him by the Clone Wars TV show and by episodes 1,2 as an extremely loyal, compassionate, and Jedi.
Ie: The authors/producers completely ignored the fan's love of the character and expectations of how the character's arc should proceed to unexpectedly and, seemingly for no reason (he betrayed the Jedi, everything he believed and worked for in order to join the worst enemy of the Jedi and a monster who orchestrated a war that killed hundred of billions.... because he had a bad dream... rofl; nice writing lucas!!) ignoring the fan's expectations!
>we want surprises
Once the ST ends, the prequels will make history as the only SW trilogy where the last movie is the best.
Wait til Ep 9 comes out and Rotten Tomatoes Babs all negative reviews. Heck, I expect them to force Youtube to get rid of Dislikes any day now.
FUCKING WHY FRANK!!!!!??????
>fans
CAN THEY JUST ONCE SAY WHY???!!!!!
But I expected the ST to be shit.
>we want to take star wars in new direction!
>and thats by repeating all the main plot beats of the previous films but worse, introducing nothing new, and making it nicely packaged with much worse actors. even worse than the actors from the prequels
"We're not here to fulfill people's expectations"
Like making a complete film?
Fuck off shill
But you have to indirectly fullfill the shareholders expectations dumb fuck.
Star Wars is a product, and you're some kind of temporary staff.
>increasingly nervous Frank Oz staying one step ahead of #metoo
we dont deal in what ifs shithead
I didn't have any expectations since I skipped all of the promotional material and had no hope after seeing TFA. I still found TLJ to be 'horse crap'.
>"We're not here to fulfill people's expectations."
Well, you massively succeeded at that.
Yes, entertainers are here to give the people what they want.
Frank Oz is an ungrateful asshole. When George called him back for the prequels he complained that he was too old for that shit. But 10 years later, the Maus calls him and he jumps in without asking, and now he's sucking Rian Johnson's dick. Fuck this POS. Yoda is a character created by George Lucas not OZ.
That's honestly true, farmalarm. They are only here to make entertaining movies. They failed 4 times in a row, but whatever, still made trillions of money.
This
>completely destroyed/subverted him by making him do something that was completely against the character
>Episode 2 has him slaughtering the sand people and being a hothead
>Entire episodes of TCW were dedicated to foreshadowing Anakin's fall
Stay delusional.
Remember when Frank Oz was getting heat from SJWs for say Bert and Ernie aren't gay? Yeah, payback bitch.
Okkkkk so movies arent for people's entertainment anymore I guess. It's just all about that precious leftist agenda that nobody cares about. Wow.
OMG WE FUCKING MUST PREACH AND LOAD OUR MOVIES WITH MESSAGES OF DIVERSITY OMFG OHHHH IM GONNA CUM. MUST MAKE MOVIE LAME. NO MORE COOL STUFF THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE OHHHHH FUCKKKKK OHHHH YEAHHH SO FUCKIN DIVERSEEEEE OMFG
And I'm not here to give you money for whatever. My expectations weren't even high. All you had to deliever was a functional movie, fuckwits.
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Why would it matter what human no.70326842686 thinks about some capeshit flick?
And I'm not here to fill your fucking wallet. If you want my money, offer me something I want.
That article knows exactly what it is doing. Notice the scene they chose for the picture.
Dude just ignore them and they will stop lmao xD
>I don't think this article understands what most people hated about Last Jedi.
You aren't "most people", breh. You're only barely *some* people.
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>we are not here to fulfill people's expectations, and by people I mean fans, critics, shareholders... anyone really
>"were not here to fulfill people's expectations"
just make a good movie
have the plot be proof-read more than once
don't have goofy dumb scenes which sounds funny on paper but don't fit into the narrative of the entire sage
stop pandering to political groups
>because he had a bad dream
You say that like he wasn't a psychic space wizard who could see the future. And that dream ended up coming true as well, so what's your point?
>We’re not here to fulfill people’s expectations
they are there to sell movies and merchandise related to them
Just like the most people that saw Solo?
They dont want fans. They dont want a huge fandom dictating terms, every franchise is moving away from that.
They want drones of casuals who will treat it like disposable media. So they market ideologies and causes along with their casting and stories, to get on current trends that encompass more people than the fandom.
As much as you complain, they know people will go see it.
How did that work out for Solo?
This is very true. I think "fan" nowadays is defined as someone with a passing familiarity, but generally positive feelings toward something. Someone who has seen all (or more realistically most) of the SW movies and found them fun. Nothing else piqued their curiosity to dive deeper into some aspect of it. They just observed, enjoyed, and moved on, adding it to their list.
Which is why nerd shit tests upset them so much and they can't understand being critical of something you like
It did not.
And it barely did for Last Jedi.
The Marvel comics branch had a similar business model for years, piss people into buying shit through controversy. But for example, no matter how much she is pushed, Captain Marvel doesnt sell comics.
isn't there a long enough time skip between the ot and the prequels even in the what if scenario time skips are reset points for a narrative. [well not hard resets. but regardless. It's up in the air.] The general point could be that the trajectories were set pre time skip and the ot was a natural result of their evolution. Where in TLJ we never had those TLJ we ended on a happily ever after then started in hell again
>what is character development
He prob helped murder Jim Henson for making "The Witches" (which Frank Oz curiously didn't work on at all despite being Jim's closest creative dewd partner on everything else)
>I don't think this article understands what most people hated about Last Jedi.
They're corporate shills, they're not paid to understand.
>he never butchered the Tusken raiders out of rage
That's what you TLJ loving retards always like to pretend.
>a literally who voice actor thinks his opinion matters
They haven't watched the older movies for a decade at least, it's no wonder that they just don't care about them when they are okay with episode 8.
Probably because he hoped it would let him have a seat at the table in fixing the Muppets again. Most of his Twitter feed has been him bitching about Disney's mismanagement of the franchise.
This. It's clear that Episode 7 and 8 are movies in the vein of Bays Transformers and Resident Evil, just connect a couple fight scenes and dialogues to keep up the appearance of a movie because writing something internally consistent is too hard. Star Wars has enough brand loyalty retards that the story is completely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things so they made it a full on commercial for toys and ideology.
Based on the faulty assumption that Han Solo is the most popular SW character with movie-goers they thought this would be enough. There were market research surveys that somehow managed to come to that conclusion, I wonder how Vader and Obi-Wan didn't outrun Solo by a mile. Luke I can at least understand because he is most of his screentime a little faggot. I think the recast with Ehrenreich wasn't even really a problem for normies, mostly that a space gangster heist movie is a bit of a too outlandish concept for them.
The biggest problem of our culture nowadays, everybody feels entitled to his opinion but discussion is not allowed.
I wish I could discuss the differences between the style of Marvel SW comics and Dark Horse SW comics but nobody cares at all, either they dislike Disney Wars entirely, were only fan of the SW movies in so far that even the cartoons trigger their sense of manliness, or they are so far up their ass that they say the EU was 90% shit but somehow it doesn't apply to the Disney EU. I really don't regard myself as a true fan because I disregard some eras of the EU myself but how can you call yourself a fan if you literally disregard more than half the existing content, unable to cite any reasons for it? They are unable to argue, they can only deflect through ignorance or by directing the argument into something completely beside the point like "stop gate-keeping" which are just excuses to stay ignorant.
Who's this we, kemosabe?
I disagree. You're right about E7 but with E8 that retard Johnson actually thought he was doing something intellectual.
Rian was obviously high on post modernism. These people think they are intellectual but don't understand that their ideas reject the actual intellectual principles of let's say consistent character arcs.
The person that didn't care about the story was Kennedy who if her position were occupied by any other movie business executive would have called security to remove Johnson from the meeting immediately. Business types don't care about stories and are unable to recognize quality but they have ensured their simplicity in every earlier decade.
niggers and women were a mistake