Punic War Movie

Race baiting aside how retarded and corrupt were the Carthaginian senate when they completely cock-blocked the Barca's every step of the way? Hannibal and his bros created nu-Carthage and a powerful economy/military by themselves.

He had fucking Rome in his grasp. The stupid Carthaginian senators wouldn't even mount reinforcements, just sat around lobbying for Roman interests. They deserved their city and culture burned to the ground.

Uhm sweetie, no.
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We Wuz Everybody

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we wuz carthaginians n shiet
look at this proud black man

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>History Channel Portrays Hannibal as Black, White People Cry Foul Over ‘Historical Revisionism’

I love how they phrase this as if the grievance is incorrect or illegitimate.
These nogs unironically think this is accurate.

what the bbc is doing to history is seriously triggering me

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hadrian was black nigga
we wuz roman emperors n shiet
we wuz buildin walls in england way before donald trumps ass wuz

if they ever show Sulla without blonde hair Im gonna shoot people

Your history is now our, cracker.

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Hannibal Barca was from Barcelona, retard.

I’m all for the complete erasure of history... eventually the holocaust will be astroturfed as well...

We Wuz Everybody

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no it wont
only bad stuff whitey did will be left
all good stuff is wuz the black man

This has to be satire?

>Zimmermann
Uhm, really gets your noggin joggin.

>The original black people of Hawaii
b&rp

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Zimmerman? that's a uh...ya know

It's fake

tbf The Hollow Crown is a Shakespeare adaptation, and she's a pretty good in it

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This is fake, it's written like a /pol/ troll, come on.

Probably bc most people don't know what the Punic wars were, even after Googling it.
>Was Hannibal really a nig? That seems highly unlikely.

everyone of any note was black

not even a jewish name. Look at the guy who killed Trayvon Martin.

lol

>blacks fucked white women in ancient rome and farmed beautiful little mulatto children!

These are the people teaching your children, Britain.

>HAHA WE EXPOSED (((THEM)))!!!!
it's a fake article you dum incels

>tfw no peloponnesian war tv show
shit would be so good if done right

Who would be the main characters? Pericles?

really it depends on the ratio of phoenician vs arab they have in them. i have a lebanese friend who i thought was white at first. its like castizo vs mestizo mexicans

(You)

low effort bait

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_of_Anjou

Why only one? You can have as many as you want.
One day, user, one day we will finally have our spotlight.

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Do we even know how the power structure in Carthage worked?
Supposedly, there was a senate, so the power distribution was similar to that of Rome. We also know that Hannibal took position of consul (or whatever the Carthagenian equivalent) between the first and second Punic wars and implemented a bunch of reforms.

The roman authors might just have projected their system unto Carthage but it must have been some sort of oligarchical republic. Do we even know much about Carthage in general outside Hannibals time?

yeah, he was jewish hispanic retard

Does the nigger lip come from licking too much salt?

It's a shakespeare adaptation. They put racial and plot twists on his plays all the time partly because theatre has a long tradition of not giving a fuck about it.

season 1 would probably be setup (briefly covering the 1st peloponnesian war / than focusing the backgrounds of the war (corcyra, potidaea, megarian decree, c*rthian autism) with pericles being the main character on the athenian side (supporting characters like nicias) + maybe some made up sailors/rowers/marines for athens to ground the show + provide context to the politics. than a spartan/peloponnesian league side, with some corinthian leadership, with king archidamus as main character with ephors like sthenelaidas and members of the gerousia as supporting characters (main conflict being archidamus desire for peace vs ephorate and corinths desire for a war). with the spartans you've got a lot of freedom to make shit up since reliable written sources on sparta are scarce as fuck.

season 2 could be the first couple years of the archidamian war, discontent in athens against pericles due to abandoning all land outside the walls & the invasions of attica with the last couple of episodes focusing on the plague inside athens, and ending with the death of Pericles and the rise of demagogues like cleon.

s3 war in thrace, brasidas vs cleon, demosthenes and pylos (big focus on how shocking the capture of 200+ spartans was), thucydides (you could probably use thucydides as framing device he was writing throughout the war) in thrace + his ostracism. s3 ending in the peace nicias after the battle of amphipolis.

after that you'd probably focus on nicias, lamachus and demosthenes in scily, with gylippus opposing them. in the background you'd have alcibiades being alcibiades (defecting to sparta) ending the Sicilian expidition being completely wiped out and nicias and demosthenes having their throats slit + reactions in athens.

basically it'd be hard as fuck to make right, since your cast would be changing all the time (you'd probably some made up characters to anchor the series + thucydides), but imo if done right it'd be great.

we were kings, cracker, we just were please don't question us about it please

It's ironic that by burning Carthage to the ground, Rome ensured that its people, culture and whatever knowledge they had will forever be forgotten, but at the same time their immense and ongoing butthurt towards them ensured that they won't ever be forgotten.

>Hannibal
>a subhuman sub-saharan root munching shitskin monkey ape nigger

the history revisionism just switched gears into the next level

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The Carthaginians closest living descendants today are Mizrahi Jews so yeah they weren't black but it's still triggering for you probably

Yes, on characters like Hamlet and King Lear.
Making an actual historical person black just for the sake of it (without any kind of fresh take or plot twist) is retarded.

> but at the same time their immense and ongoing butthurt towards them ensured that they won't ever be forgotten.
I don't know, I think an entire civilized people being wiped from the face of the earth, and much of their history/culture along with it, is pretty fucking brutal. Were they kept around as a client state or something they may have had an even bigger impact on history.

>Making an actual historical person black just for the sake of it (without any kind of fresh take or plot twist)
It's done in theatre all the time.

>Mizrahi Jews
Lebanese to be more precise, but it's pedantic meme shit. they were semitic. period.
Still not subhuman subsaharan root munching, sand mouse chasing monkey ape niggers living in mudhuts more primitive than beaver housing.

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Well if it makes any difference, part of the population were carried back to Rome to be sold into slavery. But yeah, we have no way of knowing their culture and customs, though we can assume it was a Berberized version of their mother city's Phoenician heritage.
In any case, Carthage (in the socio economic sense), was only as important as the lands it stood upon allowed to be. That and the fact that it served as a very strategic port in the Mediterranean, which explains why the Romans had no qualms rebuilding it and resettling it a century after it fell to ruins.

>Hannibal
>a groid.

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doesn't matter when Hannibal got BTFO by based Scipio

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>yfw imagining the meltdown if they cast Liam Neeson as Shaka Zulu

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>Rome starts an illegal war by occupying territory in Spain and the Alps.
>Carthage runs them over, spares their city and leaves on condition that they cease attempts to control the med and overseas colonies.
>Rome builds biggest fleet in ancient world and attacks during Carthage's war with the Garamantians
>win at sea and besiege Carthage while the standing army is hundreds of miles across Africa
>sack the city, totally destroy one of the wonders of the world and kill countless thousands
Rome was the violent nigger of the ancient world

It was a city state with wide reaching influence, like Athens had been at one point. It was not uncommon in Ancient times. We can also assume that, given the romans description of their rule coupled with the vast wealth centered in the city, that it was ruled by rich clans or families - at least in practice if not in theory.

Also the carthaginian equivalent to consul was sophet.

Also Hannibal never had Rome it's grasp. He had no means of taking it's cities. His only hope was to try to get enough cities to pull away from roman influence but thanks to a few capable roman strategists and logisticans he was never able to pull it off. He was constantly in a position of weakness.

And, lo and behold, this wasn't a theater production. It was a TV production.

you guys are looking way too into this lmao. don't yall remember back in school when you were in acting class and you had to just make shit work with what you had? no one alive today is actually Carthaginian, so who cares who plays Hannibal? I remember a highschool play where Helen of Troy was an asian chick, because she was just the best at delivering the lines, get over yourselves for christ sake.

I kind of want to be bred by this bull.
Is that weird?

Fun fact: Punic wars is a mistranslation, they were actually known as the Pubic wars because so many of the soldiers contracted STD's on the long marches.

Hannibal would look something like NN Taleb. Ancient North Africa was white.

U don undestan wite boi we crossed the Alps and sheit

>screeching at /pol/rats
you ignore them newfag, you don't respond.

>Rome was the violent nigger of the ancient world
yes, but theys was OUR nigger
and that makes all the difference

I am part /pol/ myself actually. I agree with them on all the foreign politics but I disagree with them entirely on the flat out racism.

It's done in TV and film productions too, even though it's a tradition that started in theatre. You're just looking for things to get upset about now. Get over yourself underage.

fuck off you BLACKED watching nigger loving faggots.

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>ancient history
>illegal war
yikes. this is what happens when you are educated by females your entire life

no u, nigger

>"dude we can't find any med-looking actors anywhere to play these carthaginians so we'll just make them blacks"
>no one alive today is actually carthaginian
>Modern global media anywhere near struggling to find actors
>dude like why are you complaining about history shows revising history
>yall
One of the worst posts I've ever seen on this website. It's either mastercraft bait or you're an insufferable brainlet of Herculean proportions.

>revising history
how is this revising history in any way lmao, its ART you fucking pleb. remember when women weren't even allowed in theater and all female roles had to be played by men? oh thats right, you're an uncultured faggot who just hates black people.

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>LOL I'M POSTING OUTSIDE MY CONTAINMENT BOARD!! I'M AN OLDFAG GUYS!!!
Unironically KYS you 2016 /r/T_D tourist.

Unfortunately, neckbeards and normies alike will look at all this history and greek names etc and will be scared off because its 'boring', while they memorize all the 'lore' of Game of thrones and capeshit. And it would likely end up as 300-esque shit anyway.

I just wish, if nothing else, that the works of some Carthagianian writers had survived. At the end of the day, thats the main element that civilizations end up having as their legacy. Hammurabi matters more to history for his laws than all the wars and buildings etc of babylon.

Not that they're all not stupid, but the Victorian soldier is the one that makes the least sense to me

Reminder that if you are an anglo or a german you have as much right to complain about this as niggers or asians. You weren’t Ancient Rome or ancient Egypt or Ancient Greece or Carthage.

absolute /his/tlet. the victorian black soldier is the one that makes the most sense.

Oh go burn some fucking children you pathetic contrarian bitch.

Colonial soldier actually makes sense since the British army was professional and would recruit locally. Why else are there Gurkhas?

they're just mad at blacks for bullying them in school

>Rome starts an illegal war
>illegal war
>illegal
>war

Con-quer
to overcome and take control of (a place or people) by use of military force

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No, he founded the city of Barcelona. You're the fucking retard. He was born in Carthage.

Some works did survive and were referenced by the Romans. See:
>Mago (Punic: 𐤌𐤂𐤍, mgn)[1] was a Carthaginian writer, author of an agricultural manual in Punic which was a record of the farming knowledge of North Africans, namely Berbers. The Punic text has been lost, but some fragments of Greek and Latin translations survive.

This would be true if not for the coordinated efforts in other media such as video games of historical revisionism (assassin's creed pushing niggers into ancient history and BFV)

video games are also art, they aren't real. when you see Julius Caesar portrayed as a black guy on the history channel, at that point you have historical revisionism.

Illegal wars did happen, such as Ceasar's exploits in Gaul which didn't have approval by the senate, though it doesn't apply in the case of Carthage so I don't know why user brings it up. Just pointing that out.

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>illegal as in not sanctioned by the state and without legal cause as defined by that state
How fucking dumb are you? When the US was in Vietnam, military forces were restricted from attacking targets in nearby Laos and Cambodia. These were considered illegal by the US government. Go back to /int/ you stupid shitskin.

I just personally don't think that legal and war go hand in hand, but thats just me. like can you name a legal war? what is a legal war? its just war.

>These were considered illegal
>considered
ok

I understand what you mean, and I'm with you, but from a roman republic perspective a war without authorization from the senate is illegal. Purely in the constitutional sense.

Except they bombed the shit out of Cambodia and Laos because that's where a large portion of the Ho Chi Minh trail was.

alright, I can't argue with that.

>Scipio AFRICANUS
Romans needed to bring in a Black general as a ringer to save their wh*te asses.

if anything you should believe the other way around. their racism is fine but their ideas on world view are retarded

Because books are better

I merely disagree with racism, I don't think its evil. Racism is a natural human process, the fact that we have to teach children to not judge people based on how they look should tell you this. When we're young we are naturally cautious of things that are different from us, so to me racism isn't something we can erase or defeat, its just something we have to learn to live with.

I bet BLACKED porn will require no license to view in the UK lmao.

Hannibal wasn't even a king, he held an elected position as a chief magistrate

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>Syphax was defeated and captured in 203 BC by Masinissa and Scipio Africanus in the Battle of the Great Plains on the Bagradas. Masinissa fell in love with Sophonisba and married her. Scipio, however, refused to agree to this arrangement, insisting on the immediate surrender of the princess so that she could be taken to Rome and appear in the triumphal parade. Masinissa, upbraided by Scipio for his weakness, was urged to leave her.

>Masinissa feared the Romans more than he loved Sophonisba. Thus, he went to Sophonisba and swore his love to her. He told her that he could not free her from captivity or shield her from Roman wrath, and so he asked her to die like a true Carthaginian princess. With great composure, she drank a cup of poison that he offered her.

Why was Massinissa such a cuck? How does Rome find these """"""""allies""""""""

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thats fucking retarded, or were the romans going to publicly execute her or something?

If Hannibal wasn't black, why is Hannibal Burress black?

>being this racist
everyone before the 16th century was gay and black

Fuck Carthage and Fuck whatever this movie is

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They were gonna parade her in front of the Roman people during the triumph. It's supposed to humiliate the enemy and bring them to their knees. No idea what they would have done with her after.

If your Lebanese friend looks white, he's white. I've seen Lebanese that loom whiter than a lot of Italians and Albanians.

Nice bait thread OP

Usually yes, although pardons were sometimes/often granted.

Generally you were paraded in chains before the Roman mob, thoroughly humiliated, then given a last words (if you could speak Latin) or sometimes just strangled if they had no intention of letting you go. The Briton Caratacus who led the resistance against the Claudian invasion of Great Britain is a famous example of someone who managed to suck enough Roman cock with his "last words" to be granted mercy.

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Troy, Robin Hood, Merlin and Dr Who are all fictitious. Not sure if you knew that
you are such a fucking retard.
read the post you replied to. it is a shakespeare adaptation. genders and races were reversed for characters all the fucking time

I guess rome had a bad track record for doing bad stuff to their enemies but still, I would at least wait until I got sentenced to death before I drank poison.

She was going to be displayed (most probably next to naked) in Rome along with the other captured pisoners in the Triumphus which would've designanted her as pretty much less than a slave

She wouldn't have died but it would be extremely humiliating (for both of them) and death was a better alternative back then

Based Cato the Elder

i think colonial soldiers had their own branch of uniforms, but this could've just happened because nobody would care as long as the point it getting across.
I also hate that they did Friar Tuck as a black man and not Little John (like in the Costner movie with Morgan Freeman)

>everyone that had a hint of actual lips was black

>She wouldn't have died
Eh, sometimes enemies of Rome were executed at the climax of Triumphs, Vercingetorix for example. You were utterly at their mercy, there was no laws governing defeated enemies that would protect you.

and your pic. Zenobia fought Rome directly and most historians agree she wasn't executed.

>Troy
>fictitious

Wrong. While we don't know the exact specifics, the majority of today scholars consider the Trojan War and the Iliad partly historical and based on true events.

Zenobia Trainer game when?

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>the majority of today scholars consider the Trojan War and the Iliad partly historical and based on true events.
Just like the LotR and GoT.

Female rulers were probably getting easier treatment, at least when it came to torture and death.

no, a few historians and scholars have agreed that if Troy did exist, it would have existed in a specific place that I forget where that is today but somewhere parallel to Greece.

>Eh, sometimes enemies of Rome were executed at the climax of Triumphs, Vercingetorix for example
Yeah sure, but of all the people who got praraded you'd execute him even if there was no precedent of executions before.

I'd be skeptical of them executing a royal princess though, I'd think they'd like to keep her around for other jollys

Apparently she was quite hawt so she probably got married off to a Roman noble.

um no? everyone get executed in the same way. Crucifixion, beheading, hanging, or mutilation. I'd say rape was the only difference for female prisoners, but this is ancient Rome were talking about so its entirely possible men got raped too.

accepting Troy as history is just asking for trouble.
Did Helen of Troy exist? If so we must accept Zeus and also Castor/Pollux so Quest of the Golden Fleece at least occurred.
Its easier to say its fiction. Greeks were always building narratives to fit their facts

BASED
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on true events. Not 100% historical you tard

Got any sources that captured female noblewomen were regularly treated like regular prisoners?

Mod it, user.

I agree on principle but it just doesn’t apply here. OP’s photo is from a legit historical revisionist. The primary purpose of that photo and story is to convince people that Hannibal was black.

>not 100%
not even 1% unless youre saying Hera banging Zeus's brains out to give the Greek's an advantage was realistic? Or are you suggesting when Achilles gets brand new armour from Hephaestos is historically accurate?

>Yes, on characters like Hamlet and King Lear.

Nope. I've seen black Talbot, black Falstaff, black Richard... happens all the time.

t. worked in shakespeare theatre for years

no you moron, but the war happened

proof spanish are not white

we can't leave out when apollo poisoned the greeks, that was a major turning point in this historical war.

Where have I heard the name Zenobia from before?
I mean other than the historical sense. Like from a video game, movie, book or porno. It's so familiar to me but I've never heard of the historical person before this thread.

>but the war happened
give details. a dozen fucking wars happened there for all you know, retard.

A bunch of Greek states waged war against the City State of Troy led by a Spartan King and his Brother in law King of Athens. It was an important war and a lot of heroic tales and myths spurred from there.

she got added as DLC to Rome Total War 2 about a year ago, maybe 2 years ago.

even accepting the walls were built by trojans then means accepting myth is reality

I think what he said happened in his post is what he thinks happens. Troy was a place and it was destroyed in a war with a league of Greek city states. You’re pretty aggressively strawmanning this.

How shocking! Historical people from Africa are now being portrayed by Africans.
This is totally worthy of another Yea Forumspol incel bait thread

Im just pointing out it can argued to be fictitious. Especially at the point of moaning about an adaptation of a character, which may not have even existed historically, is black.

Oh sorry I forgot where that thread started.

It’s as ridiculous as casting Indian people to play Arabs.

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t. /his/tlet

Never played Rome 2, nor some Xenoblade 2 which I also get from googling.

I think I might recognize it from the MS Zenobia, a capsized shipwreck, that or from some old classical song I saw somewhere.

>African = black
Are SJW the most racist people in the world?

Omg Karen you can’t just ask people why they’re white.

At least we got Assassins Creed Odyssey which was interesting, although not completely historically accurate. Although truly knowing what was accurate in those times is harder than Roman history.

Last I checked "arabs" did not live in Africa when Hannibal was around

They are dark skinned and live in Africa. Do we need to measure skulls and judge historical accomplishments for you racialists do determine who is black or white?

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Ya seethe, nigger?

There is a clear line between subsaharan and northern africa and this is on the wrong side of it.

That article doesn't exist, if anyone can find a link pls post it

The one thing that wasn't accurate was the concept of a female warrior (or a female of any kind really) engaging in quarrels with men and generally taking on such vital roles in male dominated spaces. I consider that historical revisionism but rather an artistic liberty to allow for the option of playing as a female.

neither does ada karlsson apparently

He literally said incel in his post how are many people taking this weak ass bait.

it was a homage to Atalanta

>They are dark skinned and live in Africa.
Again. Are SJW the most racist people in the world?

Semites are pretty much Arabs

>huuuuuur duuuuuuuuuur they wuz in africa therefore they wuz black
You forget that the indigenous people of North Africa are the Berbers and they were never black. Brown sure. I'm sick of having this argument in every Carthage centric thread. If anything SSA admixture was even less 2000 years ago than it is today in the region of North Africa thanks to the Barbary slave trade in the middle ages. Before then, the great Sahara served as a geographical schism between the two sides of the continent. Even Nafris don't want to be black washed.
>inb4 it's not too big
Consider this, at the start of the Greek campaigns against Persia, Alexander the great and his men almost starved crossing the small desert between what is today known as Alexandria and the temple of Siwa. Geographical distances in antiquity held more weight.
Besides, fucking Hannibal belonged to Phoenician nobility. And those fuckers were SEMITIC. Not pitch black. Fuck off, now.

>he doesn't know the nixon administration had to secretly bomb Cambodia an Laos and later got in trouble for it when news agencies found out
How do you guys bitch about history revisionist when you guys barely even know any history?

Black people, serious question. How does it feel to be treated like overgrown children by white people?

Feels good pigskin.

Pretty big step up from being treated as cattle.

The only racists are people like you trying to take the high ground while subscribing to and promoting colonial propaganda which attempts to divide "arabs" from blacks, solely because it's unfathomable to some that black people created great civilizations in north Africa.
It's only a matter of time before you people also try are claim that the Songhai, Ethiopia and Kush were not black.

see above

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start.
Firstly, you talk of the supposed "semitic" nobility. Even if they were of non-black Phonecian origin. It means nothing. Since by the time of Queen Dido the nobility was inter-marrying with the native Africans so by the time of Hannibal "semitic" would be nothing more than a linguistic term or to denote their alleged origin.
Aren't you people obsessed with the one drop rule when it suits you?

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Hardly anyone in North Africa was black at this point in time though. Sahara Desert is hard to cross.

>IX/X puella
nice

Good, so you didn't read anything in my original post.
I'll repeat for you pleasure. Nafris aren't black. They're brown. I would know because I am one.

Imagine being so dumb that basic trivia facts or one google search can radically change your life forever.

Like just googling "modern egyptian man" on google images would drastically ruin the lives of so many black historical revisionists

Is Romanposting the best type of posting?

His father Hamilcar founded the city you mong.

what race are these people?
art.blognook.com/2018/03/31/theladyintweedfayum-mummy-portraits-dating-2/

There were countless traders who went to and fro across the Sahara. Borders did not exist at this time, to claim it was just occupied by the mysterious "Berbers" is a lie. Anyway, nobody even knows where the Berbers came from and much evidence points to a sub-Saharan origin.

I'm sorry that you have fallen for colonial propaganda. Whether you like it or not you are black because you are African. I happen to not be black, that does not mean I subscribe to historical lies and only believe in what was appropriate in the 19th century.

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black as a concept didn't exist back then, faggot. Stop falling for revisionist propaganda

Egyptian/Near Eastern.

I'm talking about the modern concept of blackness applied to the past.
And as we looking at it from the present it is entirely valid.

>Rome was the violent nigger of the ancient world
They basically invented the idea of the nation-state. Pretty much as anti-nigger as it gets.

Conan the barbarian has a character named zenobia, i think.

>colonial propaganda
DNA evidence directly contradicts you though. North Africans are Eurasian people with a small percentage having any sub Saharan ancestry. Your typical white American is probably more subsaharan african than Hannibal was.

>They basically invented the idea of the nation-state
wtf no they didn’t

WE

u be saying
we wuz carthagian and shit

I'm surrounded by lebs where I live, they're not white at all

>DNA evidence
all faked by white people. The inventor of the DNA James Watson already outed himself as a racist, so its no wonder the whole concept is flawed

WUZ

yes, they did.

>wow why are all these females being played by men? this is historical revisionism mr shakespeare

sure

they were a net positive on human civilisation though

No u

It's in Asia Minor near the Dardanelles Strait. We've found Greek artifacts there. and evidence of a large walled city that was besieged, as there are just corpses in the streets of something we are calling "Troy VIIA *(7A)"

illegal and legal wars are genuine concepts in the modern world now that there are distinct international laws on the matter

fucking retard

For fucks sake stop feeding this troll. You will gain nothing off it.

oh really wow u're smart
not everything is bait you fucking dumbass

Don't mind me just dropping some Hannibal kino
youtube.com/watch?v=i5v6hPr6L7U

This video got me so excited. Then I remembered how shitty Rome 2 is. It’s not fair bros we need better romaboo games.

>Anyway, nobody even knows where the Berbers came from

The fuck are you getting off you jackass. They know damn well where they came from, they were indigenous. Your portraits are depicting people who would be mistaken as Arabs. And it's the Arabs who distinguish between Arab and black, not white people. Go look at Sudan and how they genocided Muslim blacks because they weren't deemed Arab.

Fuck off you wewuz cocksucker. Go back to parroting how Olmecs wuz blacks.