So now that the dust settled which one is worse?

TFA was a bad movie, but it at least had new characters and some cool scenes (the force freeze on the blaster shot is kino as fuck)

TLJ had nothing redeeming

Rey was actually skinny in the force awakens, why did she get so fucking fat for the last Jedi?

i can't wait to see Yea Forums btfo once again

Wow, I didn't realize that Solo actually had a net loss of $50-80 Million. That's fucking crazy lmao

I don't have much against TFA, it didn't really enthuse or excite me but it wasn't actually bad like TLJ was.

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Last Jedi is the worst script I've seen in a big budget film of this caliber ever.

The dust hasn't settled.

One was a rehash of A New Hope, the other was a thinly veiled ripoff of a Battlestar Galactica episode that made no narrative sense and broke the established lore.

I'll take the safe and comfortable TFA over the steaming pile of horseshit that was TLJ any day.

The Last Jedi is worse and retroactively made Force Awakens bad

Episode 9

The Last Jedi
Anyone who says TFA is a contrarian dipshit who spouts the same debunked shit of "Rian HAD to make a terrible film because of what JJ did" as if there was no other way to handle JJ's stupid mystery boxes then to ignore them and exaggerate every problem JJ introduced and, on top of that, defy all fucking logic and reason and introduce a set of all new plot holes.
TLJ apologists should be shot

TLJ was so bad, that dust won't settle for a decade.

>retroactively made Force Awakens bad
Newfags don't remember all the shill defenses of tfa that all the retarded shit will be answered in the next film, you'll see!

I like Last Jedi more, but both were pretty good.

TFA, The Last Jedi was brilliant

>script is bad because muh Y-wings, muh hyperspace ramming, Luke being bad hurt muh feefees!

91% RT
86 Metacritic indicating "universal acclaim"

>It will be good, they have that guy from Breaking Bad as writer-director

Remember?

TFA was bad, it was foundational to the new trilogy and had glaring faults, though they could be ignored in the moment. However, TLJ did not attempt to fix the issues of TFA and, in fact, introduced tons more, dynamited the trilogy, then retroactively took a pickax to the other trilogies.
TFA made for a bad movie; TLJ made for a bad franchise.

TFA for start it

>just those few franchise-destroying plotholes and inconsistencies
>just ignore them, goy

fuck off

TLJ SHITS ALL OVER LUKE AND DESTROYS HIS LEGACY
BECAUSE THE AGE OF MEN IS OVER, DISGRACE THEM AND ERASE THEM
MALE HEROES? NO! BAD DOG

BUT TFA CEMENTED THE PATH OF THE NU-TRILOGY AS A GIRLS FRANCHISE WITH REY SUE AS LEAD SO ITS ARGUABLY WORSE

SHOULD BE A TRILOGY ABOUT LUKES SON

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>hurr durr I studied hyperspace physics on wookieepedia therefore the movie is bad!
>wtf it didn't have my favorite flying letter either? I also read on wookieepedia that the Y Wing is the OFFICIAL bomber (even though this actually has no basis in the original trilogy and instead comes from video games and EU) so coming up with a new bomber is HERETICAL movie SUCKS

cool it autismo

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have sex

>imagine projecting THIS much

The first 30 mins of TFA until Falcon shows up is alright, even good (Ren sensing something with Finn at the village).

TLJ becomes a garbage tier spoof in the first scene and wastes the fuck out of Luke for 2 hours.

that's not what projection means you low iq brainlet

>implying I spend any time on wookieepedia or am obsessed with the "favorite flying letter"

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I would say they are both equally terrible and shit on Star Wars (though if you had a gun to my head I would say TLJ because I wanted to see Luke be badass and fun).

I put the blame on neither JJ or Rian though, I put everything on Kathleen and Iger. They were too greedy and cared more about shoving a movie every year. And Kathleen resentment of the OT (especially Luke) minus Leia and the urge to erase them and replace them quickly was dumb. They should have spent more time carefully perfecting a trilogy that gives the OT characters respect and closure while handing the mantles to a new generation.

SUCK IT

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easily TLJ, it's prequel levels of nonsense, best that can be said is that it had some well-framed shots

FPBP

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>$50-80 Million.
kek

It was probably close 200 millions, but they hide the real budget. Solo is the biggest bomb in Hollywood history.

It's hard to fuck up worse than TLJ did. TFA had the benefit of at least not having anything too blatantly retarded storywise, it was just bland, coasted on nostalgia and deflated potential character growth for future installments by setting up Rey as this overpowered Mary Sue. TLJ's plot was just filled with bullshit and nonsense (admiral problem hair's secret plan, the whole casino planet subplot, Rose's kamikaze moment, etc.)

TLJ because it took a giant shit on the previous movie

While TFA had faults, it was at least faithful to the long established lore in the saga and opened more doors than it closed. TLJ slammed shut so many doors creatively.

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TFA was worse. Because it was a copy of ANH, scene for scene.

why choose? they're both embarrassments.

TFA was horrible, but at least it wasn't actively trying to be bad

TLJ is the copy of Empire Strikes Back almost scene for scene

I'm convinced that Rian Johnson was ostracized in the 2nd grade from his classmates while playing Star Wars on the playground. The other kids wouldn't let him play so he swore as a 7 year old child that he would one day wreck the entire saga to "show them."

That's how it must have happened. I don't know how the studio and director could have missed the mark that badly.

That looks fucking disgusting

I thought TFA was pretty good because

1. I’m not a SW die hard
2 It was banking on people believing Disney was saving them from the oppression that was the PT (Me)

I still think going back that the movie was fine. It was safe as fuck but for a tentpole franchise of this magnitude that was basically dormant for the normies it was a fine.

I think that TLJ being so god damn atrocious retroactively made TFA that much worse. Again I’m not a SW die hard I just enjoy the space wizard mythos. The movie was fucking bad.... god damn was it bad.

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End yourself. It's an awful movie that can't even keep its story consistent within its own framework let alone do justice to the series

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They're both really bad but TLJ is a high school production.

>doors were shut creatively because my autistic head canon fan theories were shut down and the movie was thematically complete instead of just being a door for more sequels like every other franchise

Epic

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I would guess TLJ, but I didn't watch any of the Disney Star Wars after TFA, which I didn't hate, but I wasn't interested in it because I didn't care about any of the new characters.

Are you retarded or pretending? Please just let me know with sincerity behind it.

When you take a potential plot thread and do something with it, even if it wasn't what I had in mind, I'll be interested to see where you take that.
But when you take that thread and say it is nothing, I can only be in awe at how little creativity you have for not taking that anywhere.

One is better and couldve still been an okay launching point. The other has a lot more problems and is overall a bad story but its has a bit more soul and effort creativity.
Overall neither

>what if Luke returns but has no scenes with his friends, family, or the lead villain?
it would be extremely boring

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TLJ. You don't get bonus points for trying to be original and subverting expectations and failing at it.

>having sex makes a bad movie good
I tried, still shit

TFA is fun, but falls apart if you think about it at all. TLJ isn't even good on the first watch.

Such a retarded meme. Even shills wouldn't say that.

TLJ, the directors commentary show just how absolutely little Rian actually cared beyond subversion of expectations. TFA was a broken foundation for a trilogy, but TLJ broke the franchise by introducing bullshit that will weigh down future movies if not ruined past movies.

TFA at least tried to be fun while it stole from the previous films

for you

I think that tlj is average but has no rewatch value wich is sad considering that original trilogy is good popcorn value.

TLJ. While JJ aped a successful story, Rian applied a sledgehammer to the Empire story, rearranged the pieces, and dropped a few shits atop the pile for good measure.

Imagine being stupid enough to defend Canto Bite, awful humor, nonsensical plot points, everyone being retarded, and a host of other basic story problems while trembling behind a strawman like an anemic chihuahua.

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>TFA
>Literall regurgitation to make billions on nostalgia and the chinese who haven't seen the originals

>TLJ
>Overly ambitious sequel that actually tried to be original but fucked it up in every step

At least during TLJ I had literally no clue what was going to happen, TFA was not just a bad copy it was fucking boring. TLJ is as bad/good as the prequels. TFA shouldn't exist imo.

TLJ lifted most of it's plotpoints from Empire.

The one good thing about TFA was it set my expectations appropriately low for the dumpster fire that was TLJ

Look let’s get this out the way.

You aren’t smarter than us because you thought TLJ was kino. It’s movie about fucking space magicians that had pre established lore that people gave a fuck about. TLJ failed as both a block buster and a Star Wars movie at the same time. Stop trying to pretend like this movie was anything but someone thinking they could revolutionize Star Wars. You can deconstruct the hero’s journey without treating your audience like they’re bunch of fucking faggots.

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They are both as bad.
The Force Awakens destroyed the entire story that was being built up from the OT and shrunk the universe to the periphery of a couple of characters but it was just a boring, inoffensive movie; The Last Jedi had a dogshit story that pissed on the legacy of these movies, better photography, somehow worse continuity, some of the worst fights to be ever put to film, but it at least woke people up to how bad the movies made under Disney were.

On a meta level I'd say TLJ was the better movie only because I was livid everytime people praised TFA before TLJ was premiered.

They're both good. Last Jedi is the third best Star Wars film. In fifteen years, people will love them, and they'll pretend they always loved them, just like the prequels.

The Force Awakens was painfully unoriginal. The background of how we got to TFA (See: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Military_Disarmament_Act ) is fucking stupid, but the movie has zero worldbuilding so I really didn't realize that until later. Still, kind of enjoyed it and looked forward to VIII.

The Last Jedi is just awful. Unironically the worst movie I've ever seen, on every level. Only saw it once, and that was once too many. Won't see IX.

>actually tried to be original
It's literally just Empire, Jedi, and Battlestar Galactica.

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This. They're equally horrible films that destroyed a franchise. Kinda like Ass Aids and Stage four Cancer.

Script is bad because every character is braindead. The First Order could have killed all the rebels at any moment, for the entire fucking movie, and they didn't. They're chasing them down with a whole fucking fleet, and a literal giant flying Tie Fighter factory with a larger crew than the goddamn Death Star, and how many Tie Fighters do they launch? Fucking three. That's one fewer than chased after the Falcon in the original WHEN THEY WERE LETTING THEM GO.
And after those three fighters destroy any capacity for the resistance to fight back, what do they do? Call them back, because they can't cover them or some bullshit. Send out a storm of them and the movie is over right there. Hell, leave the three fighters out for another 5 minutes and the movie is still over.

TFA = boring and unoriginal
TLJ = godawful

For all the subversiveness of TLJ, it's the cynical rehash of TFA that clinches it for me. Reading the artbook shows a group of people that simply refuse to take risks and actively try to xerox shit.
Also, Luke was fucked in that movie. It's the only part of the movie that Rian didn't ignore and actually built on. We have Han talking how Kylo shot up the whole school and Luke just "walked away from everything".
Also, that Rick Carter guy was like the next evolutionary step in the snake oil salesman persona. It's absoulutely amazing what people get a paycheck for in Hollywood.

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This

the top image is interesting symbolically but the bottom one is awful

The concept art department pretty much gave up on drawing stuff and just went with copy/pasting shit in photoshop.
and the whole bit where they draw shit cause Kennedy read about it on the internet is baffling.

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Bad 1A and Bad 1B

>There was literally nothing wrong with TFA

You like remakes that badly? Bro it was done better the first time.

>I can’t wait to see the third one bomb like Solo.

It probably won't, given the name alone. But it will prob be somewhere in between R1 and Ep 8

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She was pregnant while filming

Within context, TLJ is one of the worst films ever made. However that being said, I'd rather watch it than TFA, which was unbearably bad in a different way. Rehash bad is worse than straight up bad.

I love Chiang's work on the prequels, especially how they compliment McQuarrie's acrylic paintings but with a wider view.

I've never thought about how much CG work relates to Photoshop.

this!

that would be as bad as hyperspace ramming, lightsabers still have friction when they cut things(e.g qui-gon cutting door in ep1). the speed she'd be flying would rip her arm off and thats not factoring in how stupid it would be to have a massive spaceship be destroyed by a hand weapon

Does Yea Forums like this rewrite of ANH with Luke accidentally killing Obi-Wan? It's supposed to mirror how reckless Anakin was in the prequels.

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>Solo is the Obi-Wan of the sequels
ughhh

The one true Star Wars rating.

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. Revenge Of The Sith
5. Phantom Menace
6. Fan-made Vader film that was taken down from YouTube
7. Attack Of The Clones
8. Solo
8. Holiday Special
9. Transformers
10. The Emoji Movie
11. Birdemic
12. Michael from VSauce saying prime numbers for 10 hours
13. Ten hours of black screen
14. Literal dog vomit
15. Virus outbreak that kills 75% of Earth's population
16. Actual Biblical hell
17. My life
18. The Force Awakens
19. The Last Jedi

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dont like it, loosing Obi-wan is enough. having Luke be the one to kill him would put him off using the force forever, killing his path to becoming a jedi and destroying the deathstar.

Easily TLJ.
TFA has some kino scenes. Rey scavenging in the crashed Stardestroyer and sliding down the sand is one of my favourte scenes in all of Star Wars.

also this

May the based be with you.

Rogue One was enjoyable but so pointless everybody forgets about it.

Force awakens plot was shit but at least it wasn't 80% plothole.

TFA. Notice how absolutely nobody ever talks about it.

TLJ was enough of a train wreck to be kind of enjoyable.

Lol I was gonna put it below Solo but genuinely forgot

Last Jedi, it's not even a contest.

Best part? The digital composite is also Chiang.
You either die a hero...

Only the cgi space battles during the last half in the movie were enjoyable, rest of the movie was a fucking slog

TFA wasn't good but at least it had entertaining elements (Finn and Poe had great chemistry for example).

TLJ is 100% repulsive, and it's meant to be. What Yea Forums gets wrong about TLJ is that they weren't going for the women market, they were going specifically for the smug cunt market. Admittedly, there's a lot of overlap.

I actually enjoyed TFA at the cinema. I left thinking it was great. It was only later I realised it was a rehash but still watch it 1-2 times a year.

I actually couldn't believe how terrible TLJ was while watching it and have only rewatched when the torrent came out.

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Yeh. TFA was awful but it at least appeased brainlets. TLJ was awful by every metric

I liked the characters but that's probably because I'm easily entertained. Still think it was a waste to A: Make a Star Wars movie and B: Have it tell a tragic story for the sake of making a tenuous connection to the original trilogy.

>it was at least faithful to the long established lore

Yeah because it fucking repeated 80% of a previous movie. They also had "3 2 1 hit the brakes!" hyperspace thru shields nonsense that devalued the entire effort on the Endor moon. Why risk all those lives shutting down the shield generator when you can hyperspace through it?

The Force Awakens was a glib fascimile

>They also had "3 2 1 hit the brakes!" hyperspace thru shields nonsense that devalued the entire effort on the Endor moon. Why risk all those lives shutting down the shield generator when you can hyperspace through it?

By blind luck, Rian re-established that lore.

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Were the shields on the ship in TLJ even up? It's not like the rebels were shooting back. Maybe that's why they couldn't hyperspace ram the Death Star, because it had its shields up. At least that's what I assumed.

have sex brainlet

they are all bad

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fpbp
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>by far
Hardly, TFA was equally abysmal

Pretty sure they weren't. is talking about that one scene in TFA where the gang in going to sabotage the FO base/rescue Rey, though.

The Force Awakens was dull but had some interesting scenes.

The Last Jedi is a genuinely terrible film - bad characters, bad plot, bad effects, bad acting. Everything bad.

oh, I see

The whole Han can fucking guess the exact moment, for what has to be an attosecond, when to exist hyperspace before splattering all over the surface of Starkiller base has to be the biggest bullshit in the entire franchise. Abrams is incapable of understanding scale, space and speed.

TLJ simultaneously had better and worse scenes than TFA, but overall it's a piece of shit.

Especially scale

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No I'm talking about in TFA when they hyperspace thru Starkiller's shields

None of my friends seem to be bothered by it. It was the beginning of the hyperspace ramming nonsense.

You forgot the ewok spinoff movies.