Turns out this guy is actually a scientist

You are also a shill though

user. Don't cope so hard. It's a bad look.

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Nice rack

Go to bed, Bill.

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>that sag at that age
my DICK

?

Literally less qualified to talk about science than an action-movie meat-head.

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Bill has done more to help advance science and our udnerstanding of the universe than the blonde dude

lets be honest, the offspring is fucking great

nigga got them star trek vulcan eyebrows

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>had a tranny dance around to a song literally containing the phrase "MUH SEX JUNK" after telling an audience that DNA and Chromosomes aren't real

Wow, a real modern-day Tesla or Newton.

>after telling an audience that DNA and Chromosomes aren't real
This is false

Oh, let me correct that,
>They're technically real but they have zero real influence on biology or sex or anything like that and instead your feelings determine which one of the 60-million genders you are

When did he say this?

literally this
fpbp
/thread

How many miles of cock do you think have traveled in her pusy?

>his (((nose)))
Hmmm

The part where he said gender is a """"""""spectrum"""""""" and not determined by DNA. Right before the tranny started dancing I think.

If those are her tits in a bra I can't imagine how gross they are when she's naked.

I will never understand this obsession with jews

jesus christ those are some saggy tits
bet they were real nice when she was younger tho

>merely a coincidence

Look at the fookin teeth on that mare

This bitch really gotta relax on the smiling if she wants to get elected, goddamn.

So he never said that DNA and Chromosomes aren't real
Got it

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>""""""invented"""""" one of the oldest pieces of technology
When can we expect the MarsWheel?

but gender is a spectrum and is not determined by dna unlike sex.

WRONG

Gender is a social construct
Biological sex is not

the entire concept of a "gender spectrum" is semantic fuckery which only came into existence when "transsexualism" proved irreplicable
wasted trips

What did you invent user?

wrong again

I used to love Bill Nye as a kid...
Why did he sell out to the SJWs? Does he genuinely support their cause or is he just doing it to stay relevant?

Wrong again

This is as trivial as it gets. Nye sucks.

youre exactly correct
which is why gender is a spectrum distinct from biological sex
numerals disagree

Wrong. That is not a scientific concept. The "scientist" that tried to promote it as a scientific concept was a literal child-molesting sadist that sexually mutilated a child who eventually killed himself.

>Gender is a social construct

So i.e. it's made-up?

...

So is the law but that doesnt make it any less real.

>Gender is a social construct

How can someone be "born the wrong gender" then?

A lot of concepts are made up
i.e capitalism, democracy, etc

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Because most people are assigned a gender at birth which is typically the same as their sex. Beyond this you're not born with any gender although the gender you choose to identify with may change over the course of your life.

Chemical processes inside his brain

>The "scientist" that tried to promote it as a scientific concept was a literal child-molesting sadist that sexually mutilated a child who eventually killed himself.

This. Leftists will never, ever live this down.

Gender is genetically instinctual construct though.
Leftists don't believe in evolution.

But you just said gender wasn't biological.

imagine lying in her lap while she's talking about how much she hates the establishment and suckling on those saggy nipples haha and then she pats your head and calls you a good boy haha that would be so weird for her to pretend to be your mother right haha

>identity with
So, lying?

and yet transgenderism is ever on the rise and almost nobody has heard of john money

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>A FUCKING SUNDIAL

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>Because most people are assigned a gender at birth which is typically the same as their sex.
Is this part of a movie script you read? I can't even imagine being as insane as you are.

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i fucking love science!

Theyre not lying about their gender though - their gender is just not in congruence with their sex.

Concepts we create are not biological, the means used to create them are
This is quite intuitive

No

>deeeugh i just don't get it guys surely a jew would never lie on television for hundreds of thousands of dollars

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Poorly treating mental illness isn’t intuitive. Some people may have gender identity disorder but children aren’t old enough to make that decision

>Gender is genetically instinctual construct though
This is false
Hence why so many people are confused by it
Hece why bi and gays exist

>jew

i need evidence this guy is a jew, i can't find any

Gender comes from human instincts though.
It's not a social construct.
Read Steven Pinker, you people don't even believe in evolution.

No one brought up chidren, you did
By that logic, we could say that the conservative movement is a poorly treated mental illness

HNNNGGGGGGGGGGG

Gender is a ridiculously retarded concept and the proof of that is this thread. The word ought to be stripped from the dictionary. A person has a sex and their gender is less important than which tellytubby they would say is their favourite.

It's here to stay
No matter how furious you get over it :')

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Terrible views can be changed you can’t undo the damage if you prevent puberty from happening. I understand where your coming from but the science isn’t there to allow these surgeries or medical techniques to be used on any under 18 so you can be certain they were the ones who made this decision and To your no one brought children into this

you're both on opposite sides of this debate but neither of these two posts are actual arguments

>It's not a social construct.
It is by definition a social construct. Whether or not you think its an instinctual concept is besides the point. People claim morality and law are instinctual but that does not make them not social constructs.
>Read Steven Pinker, you people don't even believe in evolution.
Sure thing just give me a few days to go read some book you havent given a source for to address you.
Why even bother trying to fight over the notion of gender when simply using 'sex' to replace it makes the entire conflict utterly unimportant.

>the gender you choose to identify with

OK so it's ENTIRELY based on feelings.
A man can "identify" with being a woman the same way he can "identify" with being a Wookie.

Neither were they intended to be
Your post wasnt an argument either - it just made an unsupported assertion that those posts werent arguments.

Then if you dont like us why dont you just fuck off then faggot.

>Hece why bi and gays exist

Homo and Bisexuality are sexual-orientations though.
I thought gender was a social-construct totally unrelated to biological sex.

Better keep your story straight.

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yes, now you understand.

His methods are absolutely worthy of criticism.

Nice rack.
Shame shes retarded.

>It's here to stay

Yeah bro, you're on the right side of history and this Identity Politics fad totally won't be dead in a decade.

I bet you think in the future it will be a "genderless utopia" where humans unironincally refer to each other as "xim" and "xir" like weird amoeba-people.

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Lmao what the fuck?
Are you actually this stupid?

The feeling of being ANY gender in the first place comes from our instincts.
If gender was purely a social construct hardly anyone would ascribe to a gender but they DO because they feel this way due to their instincts.
Do you even know what testosterone and estrogen are and the effect they have on the human brain?
Make and female brains are wired very differently.
These people identifying with different genders just have something different going on in their brains causing their instincts to take a different path, this can either be from genetics or certain chemicals in their environment.
Also people who identify as agendered are just lying attention whores, brain scans can tell they have female or male thought patterns and emotions etc.

Why is there a massive backlash against it?
It's just a fad like pogs that's going to disappear.

>Gender
>not instinctual

If gender isn't instinctual how do trannies know they are the "wrong" gender?

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>It is by definition a social construct
It's not by definition.
>morals and laws
Which also come from biological instincts lol.
Society can effect them, yes, but they primarily come from instincts.

>Sure thing just give me a few days to go read some book you havent given a source for to address you.
Read the blank slate, he debunks all of your pseudoscientific theories.
All fucking emotions come from instincts.

I fully believe gender is malleable thanks to society and general human sexual flexibility. It also absolutely has a powerful biological component. That poor David Riemer kid was raised as a girl with no knowledge of his actual sex and thoroughly rejected his assigned gender in favor of stereotypical male interests and behavior. If that's not proof of biological influence then I don't know what is.

BILL NYE THE TRANNY GUY

>Do you even know what testosterone and estrogen are and the effect they have on the human brain?

Liberals literally deny the existence of testosterone.
It's how they justify allowing male trannies to compete in womens' sports events, which they inevitably dominate.
Their argument is literally "testosterone has never been proven to have measurable physical effects".
It's a SHOCKING level of double-think.

you clearly dont understand what a social construct is. A social construct does not have nothing at all to do with human nature: it is a quality or idea defined by human intelligence as opposed to science. For example, rodents and fish are scientific categories or animal but the idea of a pet is non-scientific and is one invented by people. Sex is a biological concept and gender is its social analogy. A person's gender will often strongly correlate to their sex but it need not necessarily do so else the term would be pointless and entirely synonymous with sex.

I dare you to lay out your definition of "instincts".
You fucking weeb.

He seems to genuinely care about issues like global warming but also got bitter and fell into the trap of me vs them thinking. The setup of his new show reflected this.

>else the term would be pointless and entirely synonymous with sex

That's literally how it used to be.
"Gender" was literally a SYNONYM for "Sex" up until about the early 2000's.
Then insane people started getting into positions of power and influence.

I come here to laugh at you idiots

If it was like yo uare saying a lot of people woudn't be condfused by it
but it's ok because you competely ignored that part

They are confused by it because it's not instinctual

this isnt any sort of justification for gender being the same as sex.

This
trump is a fucking isane idiot and shouldn' bep resident

>it is a quality or idea defined by human intelligence as opposed to science
No it's a quality or idea defined by human society hence the fucking name. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
Human society is comprised of humans with instincts so this is where these so called "social constructs" come from.
Read Pinker.

>For example, rodents and fish are scientific categories or animal but the idea of a pet is non-scientific and is one invented by people.
Holy fuck you're slow. I've actually been playing along with your "sex and gender ate different things" meme for the sake of argument this entire time. I didn't once mention sex.
You're trying to argue against an argument I never made because it's the only point you know how to make.
Pathetic.

>define this easily googlable term everyone learned in 6th grade
Lmao

Who’re you guys going to believe a literal son of sex dimorphism or one science guy?

A literal eon*

That's not what "exponentially" means you braindead retard.

Social construct retards getting BTFO.
Imagine actually thinking your feelings of what gender you are were just "made up" by society and haven't come from tens of thousands of years of evolution lmao

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Sneed Nye the Farmer Guy

>No it's a quality or idea defined by human society hence the fucking name. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
>Human society is comprised of humans with instincts so this is where these so called "social constructs" come from.
I can concede this and it doesnt change anything.
>Holy fuck you're slow. I've actually been playing along with your "sex and gender ate different things" meme for the sake of argument this entire time. I didn't once mention sex.
You're trying to argue against an argument I never made because it's the only point you know how to make.
Well what are you even arguing for? Do you or do you not have an issue with transgender and non-binary people?
If your only point is
>gender comes from instincts
then I can concede that and just say that some individuals have exceptional instincts that, you may consider flawed, make them feel as though theyre a different gender to their biological sex.

He's not very knowledgable about human anatomy though, it seems.

> evolution
You had to ruin your post

I have to ask, if gender is purely a social construct, why does anyone ever rebel against what they're assigned at birth? You'd think it wouldn't matter at all to them. Now, if it conflicted with some neurological quirk down the road I'd understand, but that's biology.

Let me get this straight.
ONE guy came up with this retarded idea out of nowhere, and to prove it, he took two young boys, cut the penis off of one of them and raised him as a girl and tried to get his brother to fuck him. Later they both committed suicide and the experiment was a complete failure and didn't prove anything, and now 50 something years later people actually claim that was he right all along?
Why are you supporting an actual pedophile psychopath maniac?
What's wrong with you?
There is not a single shred of evidence supporting the existence of genders in humans or the rest of the animal kingdom for that matter.
There is only male and female. It's determined at conception and cannot be changed by any means.
It's engraved into your biology, including the brain and entire body.
Every single cell of your body is male. Stop spewing nonsense.
Stop encouraging mentally ill and driving them to suicide with surgeris and injections.
Work on curing their delusion instead.
Fuck you and fuck your trips.

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Just because its a social construct doesnt mean it doesnt matter. Suppose people were assigned professions at birth, some people might not take kindly to being assigned street sweeper and rebel against that to become trans-professional.

big woop so am I.

Msc, two published papers from my from thesis.

There's only 2 sexes. Gender ideology is retarded.

He says that white people should pay taxes to have children (while non-whites can have children without having to pay taxes)
Not gonna lie, I wanna know how does he feel about interracial couples.

her tits are not that big, she's got one hell of a bra on, and padded.

>If it was like yo uare saying a lot of people woudn't be condfused by it

People being confused by facts doesn't change the nature of facts.

Lots of people are confused by reality.
It's called being "mentally ill".
The difference is that when a schizophrenic is convinced they are in fact Napoleon Bonaparte, we don't change the definition of "identity" to humor them.

But preferences like those have been found to have biological links thanks to twin studies. They're not purely social by a long shot.

based

GENDER IS NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
THE STRUCTURE OF SOCIETY IS BUILT ON SEX DIFFERENCE
THE REASON WHY THINGS ARE AS THEY ARE IS BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT
HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT FOR THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF HUMANITY
AND WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT FOREVER
WHY DO YOU HAVE IT ASS-BACKWARDS

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get used to it bigot

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smart frogposter

>let me get this straight
>talks about traps

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any pics of AOC in a swimsuit or something?

i gotta get a glimpse of those warlocks

gender isn't real user. Biological sex is what you're thinking of

That's an actual pedophile. This isn't even a joke or exaggeration at this point. What is this. Why is this allowed to happen. Why has God left us.

tfw Expandables, Aquaman and Rocky IV is more of a science propaganda than what Bill Nye ever did in his entire life.

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Ive said it before, just because it strongly correlates with biological sex does not mean the terms conflate. It is fairly clear that a person's gender will more often than not be in line with their sex. This does not invalidate the concept.

So gender is nothing. The word means nothing now. Got it, I'll leave your lot to that nonsense and keep trying to make real sense of the world.

>It is fairly clear
This is the source the redditor's citing, everyone.
We can go home now.

>That's an actual pedophile.
thats libel

Who cares if he is a scientist or not?
The objective of science is not to appeal to authority, but to ignore it in search of truth.
Science is also not about bowing to consensuses, but to destroy them and replace them with scientific facts.
Have you ever heard an astronomer claiming that earth is round because 99% of astronomers agree with it? Or a mathematician claiming you should believe Pythagoras otherwise you are a math denier?
When you hear arguments like these you can be sure there is no real, honest science operating over there.
Some celebrity scientists and political ones usually use science, or the perception of it to push their own agendas.
Carl Sagan, the celebrity astronomer from books and the movie Contact, was also famous to push a fake theory during the 70's. He and other activist scientists came up with the famous Nuclear Winter hypothesis, that to this day is seen as a realistic outcome of nuclear war by popular culture. But the paper they produced is not based on any observable evidence. The equation they invented has no known variable. It's is intuitive to expect that nuclear explosions inside cities would send so much debris into the atmosphere that the Sun would be blocked for years and that would cause a prolonged winter period. But even if it's intuitive, their hypothesis is not based, not it was created using honest scientific method. It was a phony paper to push their disarmamentist agenda. When the cold war ended, they retracted many of their points and even conceded that maybe their claims were exaggerated
Never trust activist, political or celebrities scientists. Real science demands skepticism and not blind faith to a consensus
Why do you think power grabbing politicians love to talk about climate change as the greatest threat to mankind?Because in their head it means "more power to me".
Even if you believe climate change is so, why would you concede that the solution to it should be giving even more power to governments?

It's not just nothing, it's a nothing coined by a literal pedophile psychopath who tortured two innocent kids and drove them to suicide.
His name was (((John Money))) and he even got away with it.
Every time you use the word "gender", you're basically supporting his ideas and ideals.
Think about that.

This is absoutely false

Oh so you disagree with the idea most people have the same gender as their sex? You instead believe that most people do not? The fact that even so many as 1 transgender persons have been posted in this thread illustrates that gender is not necessarily the same as sex or is at least purported not to be.
I didnt realize I was talking to such a radical

Isn't this the waitress that became an expert in economy, politics, philosophy and all scientific fields because she won an election?

Bill Nye is for cucks.

Everyone knows who the patrician tv scientist is.

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Like its not even hard go watch the interviews with the "girl" who was already back to being a boy after the years of trauma and you can clearly see it affected them both then right after the interview one blew his head off with a shotgun

David Riemer's case showed that gender cannot be purely social as he was never even told his true sex for years. They tried everything to entice him toward the female gender and he rejected it out of hand. There was no other source for this but his biology.

There's no such thing as "gender". Stop using that word.
There is sex.
It's either male or female.
If a woman sometimes acts a little masculine or wears fucking pants that doesn't make her any more of a male.
She is still 100% fundamentally male.
Shut the fuck up.

>she is still 100% fundamentally female
fix

almost like thats exactly what I just conceded.
That still isnt an argument for the term to mean nothing - it doesnt suggest that it is entirely biological. From twin studies anything from color preference to income can be shown to be biological in part but you'll find almost nobody who would argue that the latter, if not the former, is entirely biological.
That's your belief and theres nothing I can do to argue
besides posts pics of trannies.

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My only argument was against the idea gender was purely social though. You seem to be referencing assertions I never made.

>world a better place

Only for his own bank account. Nye supports castrating little boys to support his sick agenda.

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well as I said I already conceded that.
Its pretty easy to get posters mixed up.

>that's your belief

No, that's objective truth, supported by evidence and research. Something you never bothered to even bring up (because there isn't any).

I honestly couldn't tell and thought you were still arguing for pure social influence with reasons why it could be mistaken for a biological basis.

Nop
The objctive truth is that there are several genders

>That's your belief

Actually that's reality.

Gender is in dictionaries and the majority of people have some idea of what the word means. The concept exists. Yes, it is a non-scientific concept but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist in the same way a democracy is a non-scientific concept but still exists.
Whether or not the notion is valuable is another matter.

>if i say it it must be true

>and the source cited is the author's ass

Objective truth is not something that only 0.1% of population supports.

Stop using it then.

no it really isn't but it's very nostalgic for me. shit music

Only 2 biological sex
Several genders
This is the consensus on the scientific community

>Objective truth is not something that only 0.1% of population supports.
You dont have to be transgender to support transgenderism. If only 0.1% of the population supported transgenderism you wouldnt see it everywhere with hardly a whimper from the populace.
>Stop using it then.
Why? Because its a non-scientific term? Should I stop saying fascism, corrupt and scientist as well?

>what are intersex people

What's the source on this? Name of the guy?

Wasn't his degree in education from Cornell?

Expandables -> drugs are bad for you, medical science!

Aquaman -> Atlanteans were super advanced science civilization, they survived city's drowning because of science -> Yay, let's become advanced science civilization in real life!

Rocky IV - drugs and psychology can help you win -> Yay, medical science again!
Bill (((Nye))) on the other hand Check Mate, atheist.

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Regardless of how you define the word gender, cutting your dick off does not make you a woman, sorry about that.

BILL MAHER THE NIGGER GUY
BILL! BILL! BILL!

okay, but there was not a tranny/tranny-suicide problem before the lgbt pride movement came along. i am sure you have heard the old saying, "don't fix what isn't broken". that is what modern progressives are doing.

Traditionally hermaphrodites would have other indicators as to what there dominant gender was despite being born with both genitals. Though how often are both sets completely functional on one person?

>This is the consensus on the scientific community

Appeal to authority.

If gender is a spectrum, why is that transgenderism has only two genders? MtF and FtM?

If the feminists claims that sexism and social constructs in the raising of women can shape their behavior towards career and life choices, why is that transgender-women, raised their whole lives to behave like man, still feel, think, act and make choices as women?

He never said that one the first picture

classic youtube.com/watch?v=TTsOjtnV838

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The scientific community is no authority
It's up to your own free will to take it or not
Hence why we have idiots and non idiots
hence why the consesus also changes

>There are anons on this board wanting to fuck this abomination

Look at how much chaos has occurred just from some cocksuckers redefining a word. People are so stupid it's made them think they can just change what they are.

How frequently it happens doesnt matter. If it has happened once then it makes it a thing.
You need not even undergo surgery to change your gender. It might (currently) be impossible to change your sex but gender is independent of your body (excepting to the extent your biology influences your mind)

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Dr. John Money. Literal mad scientist. Faked his data so hard he altered the general consensus in favor of the blank slate theory for years.

>If gender is a spectrum, why is that transgenderism has only two genders? MtF and FtM?
It doesnt youre just uninformed on the subject. Non-binary people exist too as well as those agender.
>why is that transgender-women, raised their whole lives to behave like man, still feel, think, act and make choices as women?
Prove it.

Yep.
Another proof that he did nothing for science propaganda.

But to my knowledge it's never happened once. It's a developmental abnormality, not a genetic one.

Yeah theyre hermaphrodites, it was already a thing, we didn't need to add an infinite amount of made up tumbler bullshit.

Jesus, just go dilate

>Non-binary people exist too as well as those agender.
nah

>Non binary

Hi retard

Someone explain to me why these retards think gender and sex aren't synonyms and what they think the difference is.

Im not sufficiently informed and outside of someone going around and inspecting every person who claims to be intersex I dont see how you could confidently state with 100% certainty it has never happened.
Wikipedia, an admittedly dubious source, says
>Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female
which might be an appeal to authority but it isnt as though anyone has anything better on the subject.

They're delusional people who don't want to accept the physical world.

sex is biological
gender is social

Do you actually have a new numbered amount of genders or are you one of those people who thinks that anyone can feel like anything they want?

>plug and chug pajeet
>scientist

based and beakpilled

>Retard

You're fucking crazy.

its a continuous spectrum
there is no more a number of genders than there are numbers

sex is biological
gender is musical

that's like saying physics is social because you can't do math right

So you are one of them huh. Could you please try harder to make me not root for Islam?

>its a continuous spectrum
no

It's like people like you loved the stuff people were posting on tumbler so much you wanted it to be real but it isn't and you guys are so braindead you can't accept it.

Thanks. But aren't the people arguing about this the same ones saying a boy can play with dolls without it meaning he's a fag or mentally a girl etc?

university programming to seed the end of civilization

No, physics is science and so is maths. Physics is empirically derived and maths rationally. You cant argue with maths because its true or false and physics has to be supported by evidence.
However, gender, being social, is more like poetry where people may have many different interpretations of a poem, some might think it good and others bad and you can go compose your own poem and even if its nonesense it is still a poem.

It seems phenomenally unlikely given an individual would need the genetic content to produce viable gametes from both sexes. Most abnormal sex chromosome combinations (that don't spontaneously abort) already demonstrate infertility while only producing one type of gamete. Further, a single exception would not be good reason to apply any such concept to the general population. The definition of an abnormality is that it does not fall within the normal range.

Gender is an emergent property of sex

Yeah but his name is also "science guy", not scientist. He's also not the dragon he never claimed to be.

I tank you on your effeorts of actualy teaching the idiots here, but they are to simple to grasp it

Gender being social is how it is defined: you cant argue about this. However, you can reject the term entirely and say its meaningless.
In the same way communism as a concept exists but is commonly rejected as a bad idea so to can gender be. Trying to deny it exists at all is as much a lost battle as trying to destroy the idea of God.
>aren't the people arguing about this the same ones saying a boy can play with dolls without it meaning he's a fag or mentally a girl etc?
Nobody would deny this. Some would say, however, that the boy might be somewhat female, even if predominantly male on the spectrum of gender as opposed to wholly male, or they might not be - it is ultimately up to them.

You watch too much porn

You think a sundial would be the same on mars?

>Further, a single exception would not be good reason to apply any such concept to the general population
How many people have heard the term intersex? This isnt about gender and nobody is applying the idea of intersex to general populations. Its just a replacement for the old word hermaphrodite albeit slightly more encompassing as it includes people who might not be full blown hermaphrodites (?)

The levels of mental gymnastics you have to have to be a tranny must be tough to deal with.....statistically

A handy user illustrated it for you

>It doesnt youre just uninformed on the subject.
really? show me one transgender that is not MtF or FtM.
>Prove it.
Prove what? That's their claim! They cut their dicks off because they feel like a woman inside, even after being raised as boys their entire lives.

no

you think that because you can't with 100% certainty ascertain someone's gender just by looking at them, that this makes it social.
our agreement to not check if every person we chat with has balls and just assume they're what they appear to be is being polite. this allows people to get away with lying about who and what they are, but that doesn't make their lies truth. you've confused your ignorance of reality with reality, because you're a walking, talking embodiment of the fact that humans are idiots whose theories about reality aren't worth shit until tested against it

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Maybe they changed it because true human hermaphrodites don't exist and this term is more descriptive if based solely on the funtional XX/XY paradigm.

>even after being raised as boys their entire lives.
This.
Either transgender activists are right, or feminists are right. Their theories are incompatible. Either culture overcome biology, or it doesn't.
If culture erases biology, than transgender people wouldn't exist.

>show me one transgender that is not MtF or FtM.
Here you go.
>Prove what?
Oops, I misread your post. Old school feminists and transgender feminists actually dont get on very well. TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminists) reject transgenderism, in part, for the reasons you've stated.

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Ignorance is strength

Men are women

What "theories" are you talking about?

Why are the terfs the radical ones? You’re the ones who’re trying to upend science to the detriment to your own bodies

It's a direct causative link, gender is a function of sex

>Prove what? That's their claim! They cut their dicks off because they feel like a woman inside, even after being raised as boys their entire lives.
People cut other things off their bodies too. Whole limbs. Because they're insane and they're not getting the mental health treatment they desperately need.

>be christian
>literally die for christ
>mfw this action PROVES christianity is correct
well, in the face of such irrefutable evidence, when are you converting user?

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>you think that because you can't with 100% certainty ascertain someone's gender just by looking at them, that this makes it social.
No, youre starting from the wrong end. Gender IS social: that is the definition of gender.
Because gender is social you cannot necessarily ascertain someone's gender from whether or not the have balls. However, because sex is biological, and hence can be confirmed by the presence or absence of balls, someone's sex cannot necessarily be ascertained by their gender.
Youre conflating the ideas of sex and gender.
You might see the idea of a 'social sex' (gender) as meaningless, pointless, detrimental and whatever else but that is what gender is defined as and if you want to disagree I think there are about 4 or 5 big dictionaries you can send letters to.

>LIBERALS ARE CUTTING BABY WEINERS OFF
That'd be your average US doctor, cutfag.

I didnt come up with the term. I think its because terf sounds better than tef
but they dont entirely overlap and the proof of that we can take to be caitlyn jenner just as a random example.

Turns out he accepts bribes to change his tune

You can only confirm it 97% of the time you stupid tranny.

Wtf they don't cut their dicks off.

Ok, yeah, and, taking your figure, 97%=/=100%
Whats your point?

yikes

Who is upending science?

If your mind and your body are in conflict, that's a mental issue in itself. That's what trans people are, sick. And I'm sorry for them, their disease is exploited by activist groups, politicians and doctors.

>Reality isn't real because trannys

You're a retard is my point

Put a bag on that face and we'll talk.

Evolutionary biologist believe that there are two “genders” and that super rare mutations causing hermaphroditism and it is deeply engrained into our dna. Political “scientists” believe in 100000 genders. I will choose to agree with the person with the STEM degree.

You realize that treatments are determined by scientists, and not politicians or sick people...right?

You don't actually know better than doctors. You're just mad that trannys become more women who won't fuck you.

What are you even talking about? Evidence of what? I'm that's what transgender people claim happens in their bodies. I don't think their words is evidence of anything. I'm just pointing out their claims are directly incompatible with feminists claims.
I don't care which one is real, they can go fuck themselves.

>No, youre starting from the wrong end.
nope, that's you buddy

>Gender IS social: that is the definition of gender.
I can define crude oil as an alcoholic beverage. Doesn't make it so user.
But sure, you can get away with it in the realm of rhetoric, because that's the realm of the human mind disconnected form reality. But reality itself remains unaffected by it.

>Because gender is social
nope

>you cannot necessarily ascertain someone's gender from whether or not the have balls
and yet I am able to

>someone's sex cannot necessarily be ascertained by their gender.
sex = gender

>Youre conflating the ideas of sex and gender.
nope, I'm rejecting yours, because they are based on nothing but your assertions

>You might see the idea of a 'social sex' (gender) as meaningless, pointless, detrimental and whatever else but that is what gender is defined as and if you want to disagree I think there are about 4 or 5 big dictionaries you can send letters to.
I see it as very important actually. that's why I care that the definitions are consistent over time, and strict, and adhered to. in case it isn't obvious, this is why I don't accept your ad hoc definition, literally the definition of "persuasive redefinition", a disingenuous rhetorical strategy employed by people who have no integrity or scruples, morally, intellectually, or otherwise, who only care about winning arguments at any price

Ok but that's just delusions though. A man who thinks he's a wookie is objectively not a wookie. A man who thinks he's a woman is also objectively not a woman.

I don’t get Americans obsession with this guy he looks like a Michael Jackson style boy fucker

Ok but basically any medical professional will know the difference between sex and gender.

No it's not. Not if you actually believe that dude is a pedophile and theres good reason to think so.

Well, I heard some guy claim you're a huge fag. Not my words tho so don't respond to me about it ok?

Bruce(Caitlyn) is not a woman by gender either though

It's not fair to compare people to Dolph, he is the definition of Ubermensch

Trying to use an emotional state to justify a radical and unproven treatment to feel “normal”. You’re dealing with a software problem changing the hardware on that whim doesn’t seem to be helping

The only incompatible thing is comparing a disease to a women wanting to be treated equally. You're trying too hard and sounding like a retard.

Does anyone remember when bill was on dancing with the Stars and was trying to fuck some 20 year old, dude is probably real creepy behind the scenes.

You mean the treatment that is decided by medical professionals?

If you want autistic computer analogies, this is like having the wrong motherboard for your processor so you have to change the motherboard.

>You realize that treatments are determined by scientists, and not politicians or sick people...right?
Yeah, just like frontal lobotomies, shock therapy, hypnotherapy... need I go on? Psychiatry doesn't exactly have a clean record when it comes to their treatment methods. Should also be noted that the treatment of transgenderism is AN EXCEPTION in the DSM-V, where it has special status as the one unique diagnosis that should ignore all comorbidity. It's perfectly analogous to if a schizophrenic entered your clinic claiming the sun was plotting to kill them, your response wouldn't be to treat their schizophrenia but to help them avoid the sun's lethal gaze.
If you don't think that's a huge red flag for something being horribly wrong then you're more brain damaged than a victim of one of the above treatments.

Feminists claim women's roles and behavior in society is due to pressure from sexism, cultural constructs, and the whole patriarchy, and so they claim biology has nothing to do with gender roles, career choices, intelligence, etc.
Transgenders claim they are born in the wrong bodies, and even with all the pressure from society and their parents (pressure in the sense that if you have a boy, you raise him like a boy) is not enough to change the way they are inside. They grow up and still act, behave and feel like they are women.
So either culture overrides biology (feminist claim), or culture is not enough to suppress biology (transgender claim).

Let's not pretend women are actually people now buddy.

Yeah also like smallpox vaccines and chemotherapy.

I don't think you understand analogies btw.

So you agree culture overrides biology, and that transgenders are wrong and thus mentally sick. That's exactly what I was stating, they can't both be right.
I don't care about your little insults, if you need them to get through your day, have at it.

> is like having the wrong motherboard for your processor so you have to change the motherboard
No, it's like having an intel motherboard that says it's AMD because of a bug, and then you decide that the best way to solve that problem is by replacing everything except the bugged part rather than fixing it.

Yeah you're fucking retarded. They're both biological.

>THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS RACE
>GENDER IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
>CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAN-MADE
He's done the complete opposite.

>I can define crude oil as an alcoholic beverage. Doesn't make it so user.
I'm not defining anything. Gender IS defined as this by every major dictionary and a plethora of other sources. All major institutions of learning will agree with me in this definition.
>But sure, you can get away with it in the realm of rhetoric
>nope
and youre not willing to concede it for argument's sake so were obviously going to go nowhere.
>and yet I am able to
yet you and they would disagree for certain cases.

You reject this definition of gender. Woohoo, I think Oxford, Merriam-Webster and a host of other dictionaries would love to hear.
>they are based on nothing but your assertions
Almost as though any definition must be asserted. Its as if there isnt some God given dictionary which says exactly what lawyers, communists, champions and every other word are.
biologically no. However, their gender can be because gender has no firm basis in biology. It is just that most people will chose their gender in congruence with their biology.

What do you mean overrides? They both exist.

If you're going to be intellectually dishonest you shouldn't even bother. It's not a bug and they do have female brain. Sorta like how incels also have female brains.

Really? I thought they even got the chop.

Reminder that homosexuality was in the DSM until they were strong armed by faggots commiting violence and that it is still a mental illness.

>comparing psychiatry to oncology
you know how I can tell even you know you're losing this discussion? also, you sure you wanna bring up biologists?

You realize the male female brain arguement still supports the gender binary? Kinda like how we exist in a binary, two kidneys two lungs two sets of limbs two overuse or tecticles and two halves of the brain

>It's not a bug and they do have female brain.
Prove it objectively or shut the fuck up.

Dude your argument is literally "in the past some things were bad, so this one thing I'm politically against must be bad too for no reason". It's desperate af

Gender fluidity is not based on actual science.
Homosexuality being something natural people are born as is a meme, there is no evidence for that.
The definition of what a disease is is subjective and a ray area, which is opened for people with agenda to push the boundaries.
Nuclear winter is a con, there is no evidence for it.
Second hand smoking causing cancer didn't have evidence until 10 years ago I believe, if it even has some today.
Climate Change is a consensus.
Also, most doctors are not scientists, but sub-human plebbit freaks (nice spacing) put them all in one box because they need to lie in order to convince others.

And then 40% percent of the computers end up breaking and if you complain about it people call you a Nazi Incel.

everyone defending this shit should hang themselves

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Why do the most egalitarian countries in the world (scandinavia) show the most adherence to traditional roles (ie men being engineers or women being nurses) if those are supposed social constructs? Oh yeah because they aren’t and it’s rooted in the fact that there are two sexes and it determines the way we think. There are male and female brains and anyone telling you different is COPE.

See? Irrational anger from an incel. Women get irrationally angry. Point proven.

Are you illiterate?
Where did I make any claim they are not?

Defending tranny suicides?

defending mental illness, you fucking faggot

This guy is a satanist. Lies with a smile. EARTH IS FLAT

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No because it's not black and white.

One stomach. Sometimes half a lung or a non working kidney. Uh oh if that stuff can be in varying degrees of functionality, then you'd have to believe there is a spectrum for the brain too.

You're right user, I don't think trans people should kill themselves

There's clearly some gamers in here trying to rise up. They must be stopped before it's too late.

The thing I wonder about these statistics is how many trannies *dont* die of suicide or aids? How many trannies die of normal natural causes? Proper trannies werent really around so recently as 20 years ago and it makes me wonder if we might get up to around 80% by the time theyre hitting their twilight years.

>What do you mean overrides? They both exist.
I mean feminists believe that women are more inclined to search some types of careers because of influence from sexism in society.
So you are a girl that was born with an engineer's brains, but is raised to love nursing, so when you grow up you can only think about becoming a nurse.
it's obviously stupid, but that's what they preach.

Guess I'm a scientist too since I graduated with a degree in CS

>I'm not defining anything. Gender IS defined as this by every major dictionary and a plethora of other sources. All major institutions of learning will agree with me in this definition.
Yeah, thanks to the psychopath John Money whose insane research has quite literally ruined thousands of lives and directly lead to the suicides of several patients under his direct care. This is the guy from whose authority you wanna stake your argument on? Listening to his RE-definitions is like agreeing to an anti-vaxxer's re-definitions of literal poisons as vaccines.

>and youre not willing to concede it for argument's sake so were obviously going to go nowhere.
I'm not going to "concede" your re-definitions, no. Be intellectually honest, make up a new word for it, or fuck off.

>yet you and they would disagree for certain cases.
It is possible for people to be wrong, yes.

>Almost as though any definition must be asserted.
Yes, but it's not a definition is it. It's a re-definition asserted as something new as a strategy of persuasion.

The trannies are fortuituously correct. Social pressure is not enough to over ride the deeply rooted biological instincts despite social pressure trying to feminize men.

Exactly.
Feminists are crazy.
Transgenders are right, except they are sick.

Tired of gender bullshit. Can we talk about how his show is nothing more than a soapbox designed to let him screech at anything Nye disagrees with, evidence or even simple debate be damned? Remember the time he shat on nuclear power?

So if someone does decide to be transgender why should they be denied?
Social constructs are not independent of biology. Most people are not transgender; most men are masculine; most women like babies. However, these do not mean that all women like babies, all men are masculine or that no people are transgender.
You can be pro-trans and still only support a gender-binary paradigm. Just as you can be an anti-trans feminist.

"functionality" implies that an optimal exists.
you fucking shitlord

I wasn’t disagreeing with you I’m just saying that trannies have a mental illness and that their “treatment” (mutilation) doesn’t help whatsoever. They should be given lithium like schizos and not paraded around by politicians or virtue signalers because in the end they will still 40% themselves with our current “””treatment methods”””

It's a direct refutation of his point you fucking retard. He says they're right because they're psychiatrists. I say psychiatrists have a long and horrifying history of being extremely wrong, for long periods of time, and that they've clung to their wrong treatments for long periods of time in spite of contradicting evidence. So you shouldn't fucking believe them on their authority, you should believe them on the veracity of their treatment. And if their treatments don't actually do what they're intended to do then the treatments are fucking wrong, like the field has a long and sordid history of being.

What about gender non-binary persons?

Smug redditor detected. Jesus christ you people are insufferable.

He said to ignore DNA/chromosomes when determining gender, how is that not unscientific?

>ah but gender is completely different than sex because some people with degrees in sciences that require no empirical evidence said so.

because all scientists are government whores
youtu.be/OyBNmecVtdU?t=567

Someone post the webm.

>what about 0.01%
they get their own little category: pregancies that shouldn't have been carried to term but unfortunately were

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9:17 in, but the whole thing is a good listen.

You're the only person I think has a good argument. Can't believe I hadn't thought of it before - it seems terribly obvious in hindsight but then it always does. While I don't know if it was you
>It's perfectly analogous to if a schizophrenic entered your clinic claiming the sun was plotting to kill them, your response wouldn't be to treat their schizophrenia but to help them avoid the sun's lethal gaze.
Is a great analogy too.

That wasn’t me but some other non retarded user.
I literally don’t know what that means. Hermaphroditism? Exception and not a rule. Super unlucky but should be treated with respect like all others.

Are we being raided?

Everyone who beleives this is a pedophile.

legit in the dark here, what's wrong with engineers?

they constantly have to tell scientist that their ideas are fucking dumb

they dont do science, they apply it. Theres nothing wrong with them and engineers still invent stuff but theyre less theoretical.
A bachelors in mech eng is not exactly a stunning qualification though

akin to calling political scientists, scientists

Fair enough, I have an architect friend and I will get more context from him later.

4/10 face
8/10 chest
7/10 waist
5/10 hips
6/10 butt

>>Honorary Doctorate
you say that like its good

a hot dog salesman got an honorary doctorate in my town

t. low standards
>4/10 face
I honestly dont even know what to say

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>you say that like its good

open the picture in his post user

Post gf for comparison

Based as fuck

nice reddit thread my dude have my upboat

in my language gender and sex is the same fucking word so I don't even know what the fuck you guys are arguing about

She's at least 8/10 in all categories.